Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Robert, Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:43:35 PM, you wrote: > No Marek, it is not. I know it is very convenient for you in your > hopeless defense of the "we-are-not-going-to-make-any-commitments" > strategy but it is not enough for us. > So, either they deliver IMAP support or the discus

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Jens Franik
Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2009 at 18:40, Robert Tomanek wrote: >> version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, > Can you honestly say how many of your (pl.) customers have > requested this particular feature I have been silent, willing not to push this up... But i would ha

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:53:20 -0400, Vili wrote: >I dont know if you have to say anything. They know I think that the >help is old. Rewriting the help file is a time consuming and boring job. I think at Ritlabs there is a tendency to try to avoid and/or postpone boring and/or difficult jobs. That'

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Robert Tomanek
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:19:48 AM, you wrote: >>Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to >>allow themselves to be run off. > In a way it is funny indeed, because everything is so > predictable. > Release 4.1 was an unpleasant surprise for many users, > because they

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Robert Tomanek
Hello Marek, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:44:30 AM, you wrote: > I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything > related to IMAP will be announced. No Marek, it is not. I know it is very convenient for you in your hopeless defense of the "we-are-not-going-to-make-any-co

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Robert Tomanek
Hello Marek, Monday, June 8, 2009, 11:55:39 PM, you wrote: > seems "You" care about IMAP only, but for example our customers requested ... > version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, ROTFL. Can you honestly say how many of your (pl.) customers have requested this

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Vili
>> I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on >> changing View Modes (Options -> Preferences -> Message List -> View >> Modes -> Edit) and clicked the "Help" button, I got >> this: "Missing context help topic 11026". > Confirmed.  I got the same error when I followed the ste

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-11 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:33:46 PM, you wrote: > I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on > changing View Modes (Options -> Preferences -> Message List -> View > Modes -> Edit) and clicked the "Help" button, I got > this: "Missing context help topic 11026"

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Arjan de Groot
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, > Plus 1 anyone? I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options -> Preferences -> Message List -> View Modes -> Edit) and clicked the "Help" button, I got this: "Missing context help topic 11026"

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Rick
> On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, >>//=== - - - - - - - - - - - - - +___ [plop] >> Plus 1 anyone? > You should try to keep your balloon away from burning cigarettes, Rick. > Anyway, I think I already spotted a bug in TB! 2.4.2. When I tried to > get Help

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Arjan de Groot
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, >//=== - - - - - - - - - - - - - +___ [plop] > Plus 1 anyone? You should try to keep your balloon away from burning cigarettes, Rick. Anyway, I think I already spotted a bug in TB! 2.4.2. When I tried to get Help on changin

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Rick
> On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 7:34:04 PM Ethan J Mings wrote, >> Calling the moderator. >> Can you please put an end to this thread! > I wholeheartedly agree with Ethan, Rick and Jens. This list is not > meant for killing dead horses, but for fruitful discussions about > Beta! development. That's w

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Arjan de Groot
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 7:34:04 PM Ethan J Mings wrote, > Calling the moderator. > Can you please put an end to this thread! I wholeheartedly agree with Ethan, Rick and Jens. This list is not meant for killing dead horses, but for fruitful discussions about Beta! development. That's why I just

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Jens Franik
Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 at 19:34, Ethan J Mings wrote: > Calling the moderator. > Can you please put an end to this thread! +1 -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makr

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Rick
> Hello Arjan, > Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:15:19 PM, you wrote: >>> The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this >>> to the bit bucket. >> Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to >> read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness li

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:15:19 PM, you wrote: >> The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this >> to the bit bucket. > Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to > read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness like this

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Arjan de Groot
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 3:09:05 PM Gleason wrote, > The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this > to the bit bucket. Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness like this is a little bit c

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Gleason
> >And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. > > The positive, helpful approach has been tried numerous > times. See for example MaXxX's contributions in the > archives. All positive, helpful attempts proved to be > in vain. > > If you want to keep up hope, that's fine. But please don't >

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-10 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:52:55 -0400, Ethan J Mings wrote: >And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. The positive, helpful approach has been tried numerous times. See for example MaXxX's contributions in the archives. All positive, helpful attempts proved to be in vain. If you want to ke

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Rick
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:13:48 PM, Rick wrote: >>> Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. >> Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice >> cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) > I think the cake and ice cream is a good idea. I'm going to watch the > Stan

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:13:48 PM, Rick wrote: >> Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. > Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice > cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) I think the cake and ice cream is a good idea. I'm going to watch the Stanley Cup

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Rick
> Hello Arjan, > Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:19:48 PM, you wrote: >> Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it >> has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be >> like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder >> just fills me with mild

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:19:48 PM, you wrote: > Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it > has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be > like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder > just fills me with mild amuseme

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:16:34 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: >One thing that could be done is that the rest of us "Us" is a rapidly shrinking minority on these lists. >could agree that there is no sense communicating with >people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. Suit yourself. Messa

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Gleason Pace
Arjan, > Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it > has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be > like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder > just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. One thing that

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:34:26 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: >Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to >allow themselves to be run off. In a way it is funny indeed, because everything is so predictable. Release 4.1 was an unpleasant surprise for many users, because they were, suddenly &

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, > On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: > >> I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything >> related to IMAP will be announced. > > > I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop > the imap related discussion

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: > I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything > related to IMAP will be announced. I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop the imap related discussion by either raising hopes

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-09 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Tuesday night, Marek wrote something like this: Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITL

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:55:39 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: > seems "You" care about IMAP only, but for example our customers requested > version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, > version with fixed incorrect handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed > templates in f

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:23:05 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: > customers. those waiting on IMAP are not customers? (I only go back to 1.x) -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.c

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:23:43 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: > this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as > requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This > is the reason. If this is true, what will the excuse be in 4 or 5 months when 4.3 fix

Re: OT Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Rick
> Better yet, learn to be chaotic at times like those of us > with Irish genes! Paddy and Murphy were in a pub yesterday, St. Patrick's day, getting really plastered and talking bar talk. Paddy looks meditatively at the ice cubes floating in his whiskey & tonic and says, "You know, lions have

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: > This is indeed enough. > But again: Why must we beg for such information? (No, I do not want an > answer, it is again a rhetorical question.) I do not know, maybe Stef wants to surprise betatesters with build, when it will be prepared to

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Volker, Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:54:14 PM, you wrote: > [Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-09 · 00:44 h (CET)] >> I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until >> anything related to IMAP will be announced. > This is indeed enough. > But again: Why must we beg for such inf

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Marek, Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:44:30 PM, you wrote: >> That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! > and it is true, of course. > This is Stef's week old comment and even I have not authorization to > publish his private message, I hope he will not punish me. ST>> The new message list

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-09 · 00:44 h (CET)] > This is Stef's week old comment and even I have not authorization to > publish his private message, I hope he will not punish me. ST>> The new message list is still in under development, because the ST>> current release wasn't really planne

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Volker, Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:38:59 PM, you wrote: > [Reply to: »Bob Riley« · 2009-06-09 · 00:00 h (CET)] > Moin, Bob! I like that greeting! > As Raymund just wrote: >> .·¨[Raymund]¨·. >> ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— >> Just a simple 'Hey guys, we'

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-09 · 00:38 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. >>> pardon a

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Jens Franik« · 2009-06-09 · 00:31 h (CET)] Moin, Jens! >>> pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. >> Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you >> think we are? > Volker, i tell you: I am (not yet) but have been a Reseller for The > Bat,

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Bob Riley wrote: > That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! and it is true, of course. This is Stef's week old comment and even I have not authorization to publish his private message, I hope he will not punish me. ST> The new message list is still in

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Raymund Tump« · 2009-06-09 · 00:30 h (CET)] Moin, Raymund! >>> I do not want to be a nitpicker, but we should stick to the truth, >>> shouldn’t we? ;-) >> this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released >> now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Post

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Bob Riley« · 2009-06-09 · 00:00 h (CET)] Moin, Bob! >> Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not >> care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants >> to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. > But official statements c

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: >>> Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not >>> care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants >>> to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. >> pardon accepted, but we in TBB

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Raymund Tump wrote: > As I'm working at a software company myself I know that from time to > time you have to change plans. That is not was worries me, it is the > lack of communication from Ritlabs itself. > Just a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, bu

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Jens Franik
Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 at 00:30, Raymund Tump wrote: > If you're the official voice of Ritlabs that's fine, but I doubt it. He already told us, that he is _not_ the official voice. But sometimes hears something more than we - maybe by phone or private mail. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mai

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Arjan de Groot
On maandag 8 juni 2009, 11:55:39 PM Marek Mikus wrote, > [... ] our customers requested version without problem with DEP > detection under Windows 2008 Server, version with fixed incorrect > handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed templates in > filtering system, version with fixed quick te

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Jens Franik
Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 at 00:23, Volker Ahrendt wrote: >> pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. > Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you > think we are? Volker, i tell you: I am (not yet) but have been a Reseller for The Bat, not official, but i

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Raymund Tump
Hi Marek! >> I do not want to be a nitpicker, but we should stick to the truth, >> shouldn’t we? ;-) > this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as > requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This > is the reason. As I'm working at a software

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Jens Franik
Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 at 00:00, Bob Riley wrote: >>> this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released >>> now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed >>> sending. This is the reason. > That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! Who caused it to hap

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Jens Franik wrote: >> was released now as >> requested bugfix version > Who requested? customers. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XM

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 23:55 h (CET)] >>> this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released >>> now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed >>> sending. This is the reason. >> Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not >

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Jens Franik
Montag, 8. Juni 2009 at 23:55, Marek Mikus wrote: > but for example our customers requested > version without problem with Well all this Problems are not in the last release? Then you should not have released the buggy version. or Are this problems which are collected over years? Then you didn

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Jens Franik
Montag, 8. Juni 2009 at 23:23, Marek Mikus wrote: > was released now as > requested bugfix version Who requested? -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Volker, Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:37:55 PM, you wrote: > [Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 23:23 h (CET)] > Moin! [snip] >> this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released >> now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed >> sending. This is the reas

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Monday, June 8, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: >> this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released >> now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed >> sending. This is the reason. > Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Gleason Pace
Volker, > Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care > about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely > on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. > That’s just to raise the topic "Clear Communication". Is it so hard to > understand?

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 23:23 h (CET)] Moin! >> False. The statements were done during beta cycle which lead to the >> release of The Bat! 4.1.11 [1] on Jan 22, 2009. So the rework >> "after the release" (see above) should have started in January 2009 >> and implemented in the nex

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Monday, June 8, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: > False. The statements were done during beta cycle which lead to the > release of The Bat! 4.1.11 [1] on Jan 22, 2009. So the rework "after > the release" (see above) should have started in January 2009 and > implemented in the next release (

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Gleason Pace« · 2009-06-08 · 16:14 h (CET)] Moin, Gleason! >>> .·¨[Maxim Masiutin @ TBB, 2008-12-19]¨·. >>> ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— >>> […] Please note that this fix is not related specifically to IMAP, >>> it is only a workaround of ineffi

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Julian Beach (Lists)
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:54:13 PM, Gleason Pace wrote: > Yes, and it is not true that Imap is totally useless for those who use > Imap. This isn't the first time you have heard that. But as soon as > the successful Imapers get quiet you are right back on the same track > again. Which makes

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Christian Grams
Gleason Pace schrieb: Christian, Gleason Pace schrieb: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Gleason Pace
Christian, > Finally - "useless" - it is. What sense is there in using a client - or > even wanting a customer to buy it - and having to tell them - but don´t > use IMAP! Even though the package says it supports IMAP - just don´t use > it. > If you want to use it - well then make ready for errors

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Jens Franik
Montag, 8. Juni 2009 at 11:32, Volker Ahrendt wrote: > Why is it often so hard for people to admit, that something > (repeatedly) went wrong? I like the calm and dry way, how you put together the important things, Volker, really! It would be a very straight Community here, if we could reduce the

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Gleason Pace
Christian, > Gleason Pace schrieb: >> >>> Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another >>> bugged version. >>> And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. >>> >> >> Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? >> >> > Int

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:14:40 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: >>>4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, >>>postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and >>>this is reason this version was released as final. IMHO Ritlabs should have done this "important" bugfi

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Christian Grams
Ethan J Mings schrieb: grow weary of the "blind shots" that are not well documented simply listed here in the forum. Your message, "... totally useless version for using IMAP" is in accurate because it does work. Put the concern in the bug track or give a link to the specific existing bug track

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Christian Grams
Gleason Pace schrieb: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? Interesting statement seeing all the replies

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Gleason Pace
Christian, > Maxim Masiutin schrieb: >> Hello Tbbeta, >> >> We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: >> >> www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi >> www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2.msi >> www.ritlabs.com/download/fil

Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Gleason Pace
Volker, >> .·¨[Stefan Tanurkov @ TBB, 2008-10-30]¨·. >> ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— >> VŠ> Can someone from Rit update us on where IMAP rewrite is? >> >> We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve >> IMAP in the next release, so it

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-08 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Vilius, Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:33:24 AM, you wrote: > Yes, it was reported 4 year ago: > https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4880 Excellent. RIT can use the information as they move forward. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com ___

Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-08 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 01:21 h (CET)] Moin! >>> And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 >>> will be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was >>> marketing. > nobody told this, Sorry, but IMHO these statements do not allow any diversity in interpr

RE: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Vilius Šumskas
> > in vista, the only way for message counts to be accurate, or for > > messages which may have been read at another venue to not be treated > > as unread, is to close and re open the program. I have some outbox > > problems where messages either get trapped there, and never go out, > or

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:37:26 PM, you wrote: > in vista, the only way for message counts to be accurate, or for > messages which may have been read at another venue to not be treated > as unread, is to close and re open the program. I have some outbox > problems where me

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:41:40 PM, you wrote: > perhaps you haven't been paying attention? I've been paying close attention of a long period of time. I'm a long time member of the list. My point was focus on moving away from general statements to concrete points. > we were told

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Monday, June 8, 2009, Arjan de Groot wrote: >> And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will >> be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. nobody told this, 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is avai

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Arjan de Groot
On zondag 7 juni 2009, 8:11:45 PM Raymund Tump wrote, > And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will > be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. IIRC, IMAP development will be continued AFTER the establishment of the new database format. Which could me

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Sunday, June 7, 2009, 8:39:39 AM, Ethan J Mings wrote: > What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I keep hearing, reading and > observing endless "complaints". If its a complaint, so be it. If its > a real IMAP bug, report in bug track. perhaps you haven't been paying attention? we we

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Sunday, June 7, 2009, 1:11:45 PM, Raymund Tump wrote: >> What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? in vista, the only way for message counts to be accurate, or for messages which may have been read at another venue to not be treated as unread, is to close and re open the program.

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Raymund Tump
Hi Ethan, > What is bugged in this version? Same bugs as in the last version as for IMAP at least. > What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I deleted my IMAP account three times over the last week to get it usable again. For some reason the message queue stalled. This was persistent even

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Ethan, A reminder of what Ethan J Mings typed on: Sunday, June 07, 2009 at 09:39:39 GMT -0400 EJM> What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I keep hearing, reading and EJM> observing endless "complaints". If its a complaint, so be it. If its EJM> a real IMAP bug, report in bug tra

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi, EJM> What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? Reliability? Usability? EJM> If its a complaint, so be it. If its a real IMAP bug, report in EJM> bug track. Thank you. When did you last browse the bugtracker? It is full of IMAP bug reports, some of which have been - mostly without su

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Ethan J Mings
Hello Christian, Sunday, June 7, 2009, 4:29:33 AM, you wrote: > Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another > bugged version. > And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Ouch! What is bugged in this version? And, What is it exactly that is requir

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-07 Thread Christian Grams
Maxim Masiutin schrieb: Hello Tbbeta, We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2.msi ww

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Mackley
I've tried to download the corrected .msi but I can not install it over the old 4.2.1.1 installation... By the way, I confirm the "Tip of the day" error. If I go in Help / Tip of the day, I get the "Invalid image size" error dialog. Then I click OK and I get an empty tip dialog with the option "

[U&R] The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Jens Franik
Samstag, 6. Juni 2009 at 23:24, Maxim Masiutin wrote: > We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: > > thebat_pro_4-2.msi Up and Running without Problems until now... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2al

Re: Invalid image size error (was: Re: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-06 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Marek, Saturday, June 6, 2009, 5:13:25 PM, you wrote: > Hello all, > Sunday, June 7, 2009, Paul R. Zwiers wrote: >> Following my previous message, this is the exception log. I pressed Next >> tip and an exception occurred. > confirm, opening Tips of the day causes Invalid image size error >

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Paul R. Zwiers
Hallo Maxim, zaterdag 6 juni 2009, 23:24:20, schreef u: > Hello Tbbeta, > We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: I installed the new TB on Vista English. When starting TB I get an error diaglog stating "Invalid Image Size" and after pressing OK I get an e

Invalid image size error (was: Re: The Bat! 4.2 release)

2009-06-06 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Sunday, June 7, 2009, Paul R. Zwiers wrote: > Following my previous message, this is the exception log. I pressed Next > tip and an exception occurred. confirm, opening Tips of the day causes Invalid image size error Date: 07 Jun 2009 01:11:51 OS: Wind

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Paul R. Zwiers
Hallo Maxim, Following my previous message, this is the exception log. I pressed Next tip and an exception occurred. Hope it helps -- Met vriendelijke groet, Paulmailto:p...@zeco.nl Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | '

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Bob Riley
Hi MAU, Saturday, June 6, 2009, 4:21:45 PM, you wrote: >> >> - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working >> - at least English, German, Polish are not working >> - other languages not tested, yet > I use English (never install any langpack) and it is working. Mine installed fine in Englis

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim, >>>- Install wizard says "4.2 (Release Candidate)" everywhere. > > Thank you, I will reupload the correct MSI. It is OK now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My pho

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-07 · 00:26 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! >> - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working >> - at least English, German, Polish are not working >> - other languages not tested, yet > I have teste English and Czech and both are working here in same way I re-downloa

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Sunday, June 7, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: > - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working > - at least English, German, Polish are not working > - other languages not tested, yet I have teste English and Czech and both are working here in same way -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech sup

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread MAU
Hello Volker, >>> - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone > >> Not here. > > I did some more investigation: > > - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working > - at least English, German, Polish are not working > - other languages not tested, yet I use English (never install any la

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »MAU« · 2009-06-06 · 23:56 h (CET)] Moin, MAU! >> - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone > Not here. I did some more investigation: - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working - at least English, German, Polish are not working - other languages not tested, yet Che

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Thomas Martin
Hello Maxim, on Sunday, 7. June 2009, at 23:24:47 [GMT +0200] you wrote regarding "The Bat! 4.2 release": > We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: Did i miss something or since when are 'Get messages for all' etc. in the Tools m

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Richard Newman
Hello MAU, Saturday, June 6, 2009, 5:47:12 PM, you wrote: M> Installed fine. But... M> - Install wizard says "4.2 (Release Candidate)" everywhere. M> - Splash and About screens show versions 4.2.1.1 M> - Control Panel 'Add/Remove Programs' show: The Bat! Professional v4.2 M> (Release Candidate). A

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread Mackley
> - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone Not here -- Mackley with MS Win XP Pro SP2 italian Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: The Bat! 4.2 release

2009-06-06 Thread MAU
Hello Volker, > - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone Not here. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com ___

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