Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: About release)

2005-11-02 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alto, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:20:41 +0100GMT (1-11-2005, 0:20 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AS So does terrorism. That doesn't mean it's a good thing. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, M No, I'm just volunteering to do it once, proof the concept and teach you M how to do it :) No that's OK, thanks for the offer. It would just teach me how to use another workaround, and that was not the point of my message. The point was that workarounds shouldn't be necessary.

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, Yes. It's an idea, but it would be worth looking how other clients accomplish that. I don't think they add transparent headers. How do you know if they are transparent? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.09 on Windows XP 5.1 Service

Re[2]: About release

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello MAU, No that's OK, thanks for the offer. It would just teach me how to use another workaround, and that was not the point of my message. The point was that workarounds shouldn't be necessary. As long as they are, I cannot recommend TB. No, I'm not suggesting or pointing a workaround. I

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Stefan, M This was just let's say a 'concept suggestion' for Stephan which could M be implemented transparently to the user. Oh, I thought you wanted the user to use that macro. Macro is just another option for better flexibility (e.g. adding it to AB templates). As you know, some

Common Folders

2005-11-02 Thread Stuart Hemming
I'm sure that this has come up before, but I can't find the messages. Is there any way I can set the active account to be used when replying to messages when I'm in a common folder at the folder level? Or do I have to set at folder-level template and use %ACCOUNT to set it? And if I've got a

DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving

2005-11-02 Thread Robert van der Hulst
Group, I am experiencing a strange problem. I retrieved some message from a mailing list archive today. Some were missing in my mailbox, and some were duplicates. When looking closely at the duplicates I noticed something strange: the Date/Time of these messages is 2 hours different. We have

Re[2]: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Henk, I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. Could you send me your tbuser.def from your TB! directory in private? I would give it a try, if that causes your problems. -- Vili The Bat 3.62.08 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 1

Re: DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving

2005-11-02 Thread Robert van der Hulst
Group On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 13:50:32 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:50 where I live) you wrote about: 'DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving' I retrieved some message from a mailing list archive today. Some were missing in my mailbox, and some were duplicates. When looking closely

Re[2]: DateTime problems in combination with Daylight Saving

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Robert, I retrieved some message from a mailing list archive today. Some were missing in my mailbox, and some were duplicates. When looking closely at the duplicates I noticed something strange: the Date/Time of these messages is 2 hours different. This are even stranger: The Message

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Vili, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:47:42 +0100 GMT (02/11/2005, 17:47 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V Hello MAU, No, I'm not suggesting or pointing a workaround. I am saying that a filter with a lot of ORs can be easily changed with an editor to a filter with alternatives. I am not suggesting to

BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Robert D.
I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but never get past: quote/ APPLICATION ERROR #12 This account is protected. You are not allowed to access this until the account protection is lifted. /quote Then I ask for password confirmation email. I get it, follow the link, end

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:38:15 +0100 GMT (02/11/2005, 17:38 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: Yes. It's an idea, but it would be worth looking how other clients accomplish that. I don't think they add transparent headers. M How do you know if they are transparent? ;-) Good point. ;-) --

Re: About release

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, Yes. It's an idea, but it would be worth looking how other clients accomplish that. I don't think they add transparent headers. M How do you know if they are transparent? ;-) Good point. ;-) Aside of saying what you think, you also have to think what you say :) -- Best

Re: Large message (was:: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:57:22 +0700 GMT (02/11/2005, 08:57 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: ST [+] POP URL is now stated in the notification about a large message ST arrived into POP mailbox TF And it works! Thank you. TF The mail despatcher opens in the background though.

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Robert, I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but never get past: quote/ APPLICATION ERROR #12 ... 50% of us or more have this problem :(( I cannot login there, but I could create a BT account, that I am utilizing a lot :)) Go to e.g.:

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Robert! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 8:12 AM, you wrote: I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but never get past: quote/ APPLICATION ERROR #12 This account is protected. You are not allowed to access this until the account protection is lifted. /quote

Re: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 14:02:03 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:02 where I live) Vili wrote: I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. Could you send me your tbuser.def from your TB! directory in private? I would give it a try, if that causes your problems. Thanks, look in

Re[2]: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Henk, I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. Could you send me your tbuser.def from your TB! directory in private? I would give it a try, if that causes your problems. Thanks, look in you mailbox. I already found the cause of he AVs and answered your mail :)

Re: 3.62.09 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Raymund Tump everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 23:14 you (Raymund Tump) wrote: Confirmed. The user must have administrative rights to use 3.62.09. Not really, I always work with user priviliges. Now I created a a.htm file and gave it full access right s for the user account. Not the

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Robert D.
Recently, Mary Bull squawked: On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 8:12 AM, you wrote: I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but never get past: quote/ APPLICATION ERROR #12 This account is protected. You are not allowed to access this until the account protection is

Re: BT System Signup

2005-11-02 Thread Robert D.
Recently, Vili squawked: I keep trying to get logged in on BT. I created the new account but never get past: quote/ APPLICATION ERROR #12 ... 50% of us or more have this problem :(( indeed. I should play at gambling then because if there is a 50% chance, it will happen to me ! Go to

a.htm (was: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:50:22 +0100 GMT (02/11/2005, 22:50 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Not really, I always work with user priviliges. Now I created a a.htm file and gave it full access right s for the user account. ASK Not the easiest solution for the average user,

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello 9Val! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 11:48 AM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi Up and running well. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.62.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, 9Val wrote: 9 Hi All, 9 The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 19:48:26 [GMT +0200] (which was 18:48 where I live) 9val wrote: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi ...snipped No more AV's with

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello 9Val, The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi [-] a.htm created [-] userdic.tlx overwritten ATTENTION: Unfortunately MSI doesn't allow to silently

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, 9Val wrote: 9 Hi All, 9 The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, at 19:47:13 [GMT +0100] (which was 19:47 where I live) Henk de Bruijn wrote: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi ...snipped No more

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Jon, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JP I cannot remember, but wasn't an option present to enable/disable JP message tabs under view. I think this was present earlier. If not, JP does this option exist elsewhere? Options/Preferences/Messages/Tabs and untick all boxes

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Newman
Hello 9Val, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, you wrote: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi 9 [-] userdic.tlx overwritten userdic.tlx was overwritten again. -- Best regards, Richard Newman

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 2:31:02 PM, Richard Wakeford wrote: RW Options/Preferences/Messages/Tabs and untick all boxes is what you want RW I think. Thanks Richard. That won't work for me since the All tab was introduced some betas ago. I did track down the problem and deleted the

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, Richard Newman wrote: Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 12:48:26 PM, you wrote: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi 9 [-] userdic.tlx overwritten userdic.tlx was overwritten again. please read 9Val's attention in

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Newman
Hello Marek, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 2:40:31 PM, you wrote: MM please read 9Val's attention in announcement. I did and it wasn't clear to me that this wasn't fixed when it said All subsequent versions will leave userdic.tlx to live forever. I thought he meant live or stay and not leave or

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread MAU
Hello Jon, I cannot remember, but wasn't an option present to enable/disable message tabs under view. I think this was present earlier. If not, does this option exist elsewhere? View/Message List Tabs. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.10 on

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Jon, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JP That won't work for me since the All tab was JP introduced some betas ago. Of course, sorry about that. JP I did track down the problem and deleted the tbuser.DEF file. There have been a couple of posts talking of deleting

IMAP uses too much bandwidth

2005-11-02 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Hello TBBeta, I experimented with The Bat! all day and even half a night, and it seems that The Bat!'s IMAP uses too much bandwidth during syncs and scans. I left TB running for 3 hours. During this time period I recieved 62MB of data from my mail server and only 2 messages (1kb and

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 1:51 PM, you wrote: I thought he meant live or stay and not leave or disappear or always be overwritten. He did. The key word here is subsequent, in the sense of coming after version 3.62.10. He was saying you would have to restore your

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Richard Newman
Hello Mary, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 3:09:19 PM, you wrote: MB This is the way in which the bug is fixed. At least, that's my MB understanding of 9Val's words: Thanks for your translation. Guess we will see in the next iteration. -- Best regards, Richard Newman

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Henk, The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi ...snipped No more AV's with this version. Vili advised me to delete tbuser.def So I did! I can switch

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Vili everyone else, on 02-Nov-2005 at 19:48 you (Vili) wrote: I dont understand it... silently ignore file absence. But userdic.tlx is actually there... MSI is a Microsoft product... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Fun is like insurance; the

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 2:20 PM, you wrote: MB This is the way in which the bug is fixed. At least, that's my MB understanding of 9Val's words: Thanks for your translation. Guess we will see in the next iteration. Yes. My fingers are crossed. This bug hasn't

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Greg Strong everyone else, on 02-Nov-2005 at 19:09 you (Greg Strong) wrote: How about a rar file download with either a direct link or on http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ or both? Since 3.62.05 the daily builds are not betas, but finals. -- Best regards, Alexander

Re: a.htm (was: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else, on 02-Nov-2005 at 18:02 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: ASK Not the easiest solution for the average user, and I certainly don't ASK go thru the hassle of manually creating files in order to get my ASK email program to work! They just forgot to delete or

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Jon, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 1:57:24 PM, you wrote: JP Is it just my system? With the 3.62 series, TB seems slower when going JP from folder to folder. Starting TB shows some delay and flicker on JP startup. Finally, opening and closing windows (address book, editor, JP search, etc)

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Alexander, I dont understand it... silently ignore file absence. But userdic.tlx is actually there... MSI is a Microsoft product... It did not answer my question... or my silent thought :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.09 |

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Jon Polish
RW Maybe we should all do it ;-) Agreed, but it will not be a strong selling point for others wanting to come to TB from another client. Besides, re-creating customizations every time there is a problem is a pain. RW then I'm RW lucky because I have it although I'm not sure I didn't customise it

Re: IMAP Connect To windows with cable connection

2005-11-02 Thread Vili
Hello Greg, After upgrading to v3.62.05 I now get a Connect To window for a dial up connection when I have selected 'Options | Network Admin | Local Area Network or manual connection' when focus is on one of my IMAP accounts. Yes I do have a dial up connection, but I use it only as a backup

IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
I recall participating in some conversation wishing that deleted messages were displayed, as in Mulberry. Perhaps another possibility would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm

Re: Splash screen background

2005-11-02 Thread NetVicious
miércoles, 2 nov 2005 at 23:00, it seems you wrote: If this screen background should be synchronized with the time when TheBat! is started - over here this doesn't work. It's a random background. If I remember correctly there are three differents backgrounds. -- /\/

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 4:27:05 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: Perhaps another possibility would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? I guess I mean message list window tab. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at

Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available

2005-11-02 Thread Michael Acklin
Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 11:48:26 AM, (Internet Time - @783) you wrote: Hello 9Val, 9 Hi All, 9 The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi 9 [-] a.htm

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Randy
Hello. Here's what Dwight [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 at 2:27:05 PM: I recall participating in some conversation wishing that deleted messages were displayed, as in Mulberry. Perhaps another possibility would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? I

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 4:33:28 PM, Randy wrote: I would much prefer deleted messages to appear crossed out until I expunge the folder. I agree, but the tab seemed like a possible substitute until then, and perhaps might be easier to implement. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway

Re: IMAP uses too much bandwidth

2005-11-02 Thread Curtis
Vilius Ðumskas wrote: I experimented with The Bat! all day and even half a night, and it seems that The Bat!'s IMAP uses too much bandwidth during syncs and scans. I left TB running for 3 hours. During this time period I recieved 62MB of data from my mail server and only 2 messages

ongoing TB issues - bugs or features?

2005-11-02 Thread mark davidson
these may not be considered 'bugs' on all fronts. i nevertheless feel they are worth mentioning. 1. TB ignores the 'default for mailto: urls' account assignment and instead creates a message in the last used account. to the best of my knowledge, this has never worked properly. 2. CTRL-DEL

Re: a.htm (was: 3.62.09 is now available)

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:29:30 +0100 GMT (03/11/2005, 03:29 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK I know, but don't you find it irritating that for a couple of days now ASK every daily build becomes a final thats released to the public immediately? ASK Going wrong with

Re: ongoing TB issues - bugs or features?

2005-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Mark! On Wednesday, November 02, 2005, 7:23 PM, you wrote: 3. i sort messages by date descending and read oldest to newest (bottom up). the 'follow previous' toolbar icon loops to the oldest message in the list once the last new message has been read. to my way of thinking, TB should

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 11:50:21 PM, Martin Schoch wrote: Hi Randy On Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:33:28 PM you wrote: I would much prefer deleted messages to appear crossed out until I expunge the folder. I don't like such a delete function. If you delete a message it is

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Dwight, On 02-11-2005 23:27, you [DAC] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DAC I recall participating in some conversation wishing that deleted DAC messages were displayed, as in Mulberry. Perhaps another DAC possibility would be a folder tab which showed deleted messages? Best of all worlds:

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] rašė: Even with POP, if you delete a message it is not deleted. Even though it goes in the trash, it is still also in the folder it was deleted from, until the folder is compressed. This bothered me so much since yearly days of 2.x. I don't like this

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Clive Taylor
Best of all worlds: Include the following in View Mode setup: Fast search: [x] IMAP deleted messages This way, you could make a view mode and a tab if you want to. Peter This is not a personal comment (it would be if you were a developer!) but your suggestion summarises the problem

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Clive, On 03-11-2005 08:45, you [CT] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: CT Can you imagine a newcomer to TB, frustrated at the prog's CT non-standard way of seeing deleted messages stumbling across the CT solution you suggest? Difficult enough with an up-to-date help file CT but as it stands... I

Re: IMAP - viewing deleted messages, a suggestion

2005-11-02 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Vilius, On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:38:07 +0200GMT (3-11-2005, 8:38 +0200, where I live), you wrote: V This bothered me so much since yearly days of 2.x. I don't like this V behaviour too. If I have choosen to use Trash then I don't need another V copy of deleted message in INBOX or other