Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-29 Thread marek jedlinski
Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? TF How do you do that? (Another feature I never knew of... ;-)) I use one text/rtf editor which provides a plethora of options that do allow manipulation of text in many ways. It is

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-29 Thread M. Evans
Why, thanks! (And it's been 1.5.9 since yesterday ;) For those of us who already have 1.5.8 installed, do we have to uninstall and reinstall to get 1.5.9, or can we just install over top of 1.5.8? Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL

RE:[Model/view design for text editor][28/12/2002-10:43 GMT]

2002-12-28 Thread -C J-
I have tested several external editors, in the past. I believe the only editors which behave similarly as TB's (IMO, the best editor of all email programs) were: The Boxer and, from the same programmer, TKO (Technical Knock Out). I dont know how good they are in their 32bit incarnations

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Mike, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:52:18 + GMT (28/12/02, 21:52 +0700 GMT), Mike Alexander wrote: I'm not sure if it's like that (because I'm too dumb to know what you mean be free style caret _ perhaps I should ask my bunny? g) LOL! No free carots with TB. g Free caret means that you

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-28 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 28, 2002, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote... I've downloaded tuns of text editors yesterday and came across an interesting free MDI which lets you free style and with a plethora of options (though not visibly, it's there). Anyway

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Bruno, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:38:48 -0500 GMT (28/12/02, 12:38 +0700 GMT), Bruno Fernandes wrote: I'd love a way to disable the free caret. As an added option, I don't see a problem with it. I have been using the free caret to the extent that I get annoyed with Word, but I see that other

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Douglas, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:38:12 +0100 GMT (29/12/02, 04:38 +0700 GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: I'm no expert on text editors, so I'd best ask. Can other editors: Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? How do you do

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-28 Thread M. Evans
The main point everyone should take away is the idea of model/view supporting various behaviors in the editor. WIthout model/view distinctions, there can only be one (fixed) behavior. It may also be worth pointing out to Bat developers that this e-list should be regarded as a highly biased sample

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello marek! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 2:36:11 AM you wrote: In precisely the way other clients do. I'm not talking about brain-dead software like Outlook Express; I'm talking about *excellent* software such as Forte Agent. Sorry, Agent uses soft-wraps during composition and will only

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Melissa! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 3:07:25 AM you wrote: You seem to like Agent's editor, and I think it's a very weak editor...especially in comparison to the editor in The Bat! To each our own. :-) I'd really like to use TB's editor with Agent, whose editor is nothing more than

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Allie Martin
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Bruno Fernandes [BF] wrote:' BF 1. Those willing to accept the features TB provides while also BF wanting the option to do things in a way they consider more BF standardized and intuitive BF 2. Those firmly entrenched in the belief that TB is doing it

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Bruno! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 3:16:48 PM you wrote: I think many problems, such as editor preference, stem from comments such as a and b above. Who's definition of natural has been used to qualify TB's usage? Not you and I. The sentences you quoted are marketing claims, not

RE:[Model/view design for text editor][27/12/2002-19:54 GMT]

2002-12-27 Thread [ © ª N ª ® i º JºË ]¹
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Islas Canarias [27/12/2002, 19:54 GMT] [Mensaje original, 27/12/2002, 19:45] Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: DH Hello Bruno! DH On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 3:16:48 PM you wrote: I think

Re: [Model/view design for text editor][27/12/2002-19:54 GMT]

2002-12-27 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi [, on Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:54:46 +GMT (27.12.02, 20:54 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ©ªNª®iºJ¹ ©ªNª®iºJ¹ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Well, you know your ascii characters. If there was anything else you wanted to tell us, I

Re: [Model/view design for text editor][27/12/2002-19:54 GMT]

2002-12-27 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Peter! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 9:22:28 PM you wrote: If there was anything else you wanted to tell us, I must say, I'm sorry, I didn't get it... He tried to send me something privately. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 He

RE:[[Model/view design for text editor][27/12/2002-19:54GMT]][27/12/2002-20:35 GMT]

2002-12-27 Thread canario.joe [lycos.es]
No, sorry, that was a mistake. I hit the kbord badly and the message was fired off. Excuse me. I was trying to send a few comments to a german TB colleague. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [27/12/2002, 20:35 GMT] Using The Bat!

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Allie Martin
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote:' It's pretty clear already. The bottom line is that everyone (I hope) using the program has paid to do so. It is completely within reason to want a little bit more from your investment. DH Well, I paid for a programme as

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Allie! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:55:50 PM you wrote: It's pretty clear already. The bottom line is that everyone (I hope) using the program has paid to do so. It is completely within reason to want a little bit more from your investment. DH Well, I paid for a programme as

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread M. Evans
Moderator, it is good to promote civility, but you are disciplining the wrong person. This quote does in fact exemplify camp #2: You don't like the editor *and* are not comfortable with the reasons others give why they like it *and* don't want the advice of how you can achieve what you want,

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Allie Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], M. Evans [ME] wrote:' ME Moderator, it is good to promote civility, but you are disciplining ME the wrong person. I disagree. I'm against the labelling of others into groups with particular attitudes. It

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread M. Evans
I had made queries in the past about the editor and was told that it would be very difficult to make the editor work in a more standard fashion and yet maintain its current behaviour as an option. Model/view would have made it easier to support the current behavior in the first place.

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Allie Martin
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], M. Evans [ME] wrote:' ME I see none of that incompatible with model/view in any way, and ME indeed model/view would support all of them superbly. I'm yet to encounter the editor that does support these features as they exist in TB!. I was looking

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Allie Martin
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:' ACM Splitting your text that I quoted into multiple parts and reflowing ACM the quoted text segments is made much easier for me using TB!'s ACM editor than any other integrated editor I've tried with TB!.

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Gavin Sinclair
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, 3:21:19 PM, M. wrote [snipped]: There are over a thousand projects in the text editor category at SourceForge.net. Many of these also support things far beyond Bat's present capability -- like HTML editing, Linux, and collapsible tree views. (I hope for a Linux

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Allie Martin
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Gavin Sinclair [GS] wrote:' GS Sorry if this has been discussed before; I'm new and it's not in GS the FAQ. This was just the right time to jump in, in this case. No need to apologize. Your views are welcome here. This thread is an opinion centric

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-27 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, December 27, 2002, Allie Martin wrote... ME I see none of that incompatible with model/view in any way, and ME indeed model/view would support all of them superbly. I'm yet to encounter the editor that does support these features as

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, December 25, 2002, M. Evans wrote... The text editor needs help. Its major problem is its use of hard carriage returns (CRLF) during composition. Those should be avoided until necessary, at send time. TheBat's editor style is

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi M., @25-Dec-2002, 20:48 -0700 (03:48 UK time) M. Evans [ME] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ME The text editor needs help. Its major problem is its use of hard ME carriage returns (CRLF) during composition. Those should be ME

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread Dave Crocker
Folks, Thursday, December 26, 2002, 11:07:29 AM, you wrote: ME Many text editors have a clean model/view design, instead of ME Bat's confused view is the model design. Marck I disagree. That's not the case. It's about the final destiny of the Marck output. In TB's editor's case, the intent is to

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dave, @26-Dec-2002, 12:13 -0800 (20:13 UK time) Dave Crocker [DC] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DC The model/view distinction is compatible with having WYSIWYG. DC Having one does NOT mean that you must have the other and it

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread M. Evans
UltraEdit gives me all the capabilities that have been touted as unique to Bat in response to my post. If I want hard CRLFs, I can put them anywhere. If I want to put the cursor anywhere, I can do that. If I want the view to reflect the current model data perfectly, I just turn off word wrap!

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread Jonathan Angliss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, December 26, 2002, M. Evans wrote... UltraEdit gives me all the capabilities that have been touted as unique to Bat in response to my post. If I want hard CRLFs, I can put them anywhere. If I want to put the cursor anywhere, I can

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread marek jedlinski
First post, and I recognize it's going to make me somewhat unpopular in the eyes of some, but I would very much like to respond. The way TheBat's editor handles linebreaks is seriously broken in my opinion. It was the one single issue that kept me from purchasing TheBat for years. I finally

Re: Model/view design for text editor

2002-12-26 Thread Allie Martin
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Jedlinski [MJ] wrote:' MJ First post, and I recognize it's going to make me somewhat MJ unpopular in the eyes of some, but I would very much like to MJ respond. So, what's popular and what's not around here anyway? :) MJ The way TheBat's editor