Opening links in a browser
Hello Bat'ers just wondering if anyone has come across this problem. If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, this only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I click on Send the message - it's annoying. thanks, Graham -- Graham Dodd Writing to you using The Bat v2.12.00 Trying to catch Spam with POPFile Attempting to run on Windows 2000 v5.0.2195 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:00:49 +0100, AceMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. I'll stick with v2.12 until it implodes, or whatever, and after that I won't be a Ritlabs customer again, ever. My story - I bought v1.62r in February 2003, only to see that v2 was released later that year (while the betas were all named v1.63, remember...). No different update policy for late registrations (mine was 7 or 8 months old) compared to those users who used the v1.x for *years*. That was the first time I was really pissed about Ritlabs' company decisions. However, XMas2003 I bought the update to v2 with 60% discount (because I needed better PGP support), and now only a couple of months later they release v3 and want to charge their users again? I don't know how others feel about that, but it leads me to the question: What extreme quality of superskunk do they grow in Moldavia? This is so way out of anything I've ever experienced, I have no other explanation. Its interesting to know that v1.62r was the last release version, while people were testing the v1.63 beta versions - which never made it into a v1 release, instead the version number was bumped to v2! Apparently, they tricked their fellow beta testers the same way with v2.13 betas - which are now released in a v3 one has to pay for? Pathetic. I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client, be it PocoMail or Becky or whatever. I doubt there's one other company that succeeds in ripping their loyal, trusty paying customer base off worse than Ritlabs. Sad but true, as the uninstaller of TB! used to say when I removed it from my office machine. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hi Mike, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 04:51:20 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:51:20 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: JM 2. What exactly *are* the differences between the Home Edition and the JM Professional Edition? The Professional Edition is twice the size (8.2M as opposed to 4.0) Apart from that, what else? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Third time is a charm?
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 11:06:54 AM, Roman Katzer wrote: [snips] Roman It's hardly a year since version 2 came out and I was wondering why there Roman were so few minor releases in the last weeks. Now RITLabs is releasing Roman version 3 without functioning IMAP support in V2 (promised) and a whole Roman load of new, unfixed bugs introduced. Reading the beta list is reasonably entertaining at the moment :-) -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) My folks went to Turin and all I got was this lousy shroud. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting office in Version 3.0
Hi Bat! Fans, I see there is a new category for Common Filters. Presumably these filters apply to all mail accounts where there is more than one? (Which IMO is great). How to move existing filters into a common filter folder? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Four-wheel-drive just means getting stuck in more inaccessible places. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAM P2Pplugin BODY**
Hi ritlabs-news, On Wed, 01 Sep 2004, at 01:48:04 [GMT+0300] (which was 8:48:04 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: The Bat! 3.0 has taken the developers a year of work in close contact with users to achieve their goals. It takes that long to draw icons? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 I think, therefore I am. I think. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAM P2Pplugin BODY**
Hi Bat Users, On Wed, 01 Sep 2004, at 01:48:04 [GMT+0300] (which was 8:48:04 Australian Eastern Time) Rit Labs wrote in a self congratulatory e-mail: The Bat! 3.0 has taken the developers a year of work in close contact with users to achieve their goals. It takes ~that long~ to draw icons? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Opening links in a browser
If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, this only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I click on Send the message - it's annoying. I had the same some time ago and found this solution on the web (can't recall where, but it was a Microsoft support article): Open your windows explorer Tools/Folder options File types URL:HyperText Transfer Protocol Advanced Select open action Edit unmark Use DDE -- Gabor Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What's the diff....
Ok people... What's the feature difference between The Bat! Pro and The Bat! Home? The website implies a feature difference (for Advanced Users) but there's not explaintion (that I can find). -- Jim PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Jack, ...especially anything regarding the user interface, which was supposed to be *new* (Amongst all the improvements the most visually outstanding is the new look user interface...). Are you using a glyphs.bmp? If so, go into Preferences and untick High colour images and re-start TB. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting office in Version 3.0
Hello John, Presumably these filters apply to all mail accounts where there is more than one? (Which IMO is great). In Common Filters there is 'Share with..' tab where you can select which accounts will use each filter. How to move existing filters into a common filter folder? So far I only know one way: Copy (Cut) Paste. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refund Claim
Hello, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 1:43:19 AM, you wrote: SMN I just filled out a Refund Claim form over at element5. Based on what? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Third time is a charm?
Hello Roman, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 4:06:54 AM, you wrote: RK This is a slap in the face of all users - to get bugs fixed now (in RK software you paid for) you have to get the next version. I suppose version RK 4 will be out six months from now, and version 5 three months after that? Perhaps they should call it TheBat X? It worked for Apple... and I dare say that most of us *will* shell out for v3. -- Nick Using TheBat!: v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Third time is a charm?
Hello M, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 8:46:07 AM, you wrote: MicCullen Reading the beta list is reasonably entertaining at the moment No it isn't. Most comments are showing how low reasoning power can get. :-( -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Third time is a charm?
Mark, On 01-09-2004 10:06, you [MP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MP No it isn't. Most comments are showing how low reasoning power can MP get. :-( Please elaborate! -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] RE: Opening links in a browser
Hello Gabor, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:33:22 AM, you wrote: If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, this KPG only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I click on KPG Send the message - it's annoying. KPG I had the same some time ago and found this solution on the web (can't KPG recall where, but it was a Microsoft support article): KPG Open your windows explorer KPG Tools/Folder options KPG File types KPG URL:HyperText Transfer Protocol KPG Advanced KPG Select open action KPG Edit KPG unmark Use DDE Use DDE was unmarked, all I had was rundll32.exe shdocvw.dll,OpenURL %l I only have this problem with TheBat thanks, Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 4:16:29 AM, Jack wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J 2. What exactly *are* the differences between the Home Edition and the J Professional Edition? As I understand it the Home version is the existing TB! that we're all used to, and the Pro version includes the features previously found in SecureBat - i.e. hardware tokens etc. -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.12.00 on Xandros Desktop Deluxe v2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] RE: Opening links in a browser
Hello Graham, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:13:21 AM, you wrote: GD Hello Gabor, GD Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:33:22 AM, you wrote: If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, this KPG only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I click on KPG Send the message - it's annoying. KPG I had the same some time ago and found this solution on the web (can't KPG recall where, but it was a Microsoft support article): KPG Open your windows explorer KPG Tools/Folder options KPG File types KPG URL:HyperText Transfer Protocol KPG Advanced KPG Select open action KPG Edit KPG unmark Use DDE GD Use DDE was unmarked, all I had was rundll32.exe shdocvw.dll,OpenURL %l GD I only have this problem with TheBat oops, no I don't.. sorry Bat users. I guess it's time to Google Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version3 ?!
Hi TBUDL, I woke up this morning to see an e-mail from Ritlabs saying version 3 of TB! is available. I am a little shocked at this. It took them several years to make TB!2 and now about 1 year after TB!2 was released they release TB!3. I can't really see any major differences between TB!2 and TB!3 to be honest. Also I can't find any information on what is different between TB!3 Home and TB!3 Pro other than a few MB in the filesize. Please someone help me! -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version3 ?!
Hi Morgan, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 10:39:22 [GMT+0100] (which was 19:39:22 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I can't really see any major differences between TB!2 and TB!3 to be honest. Also I can't find any information on what is different between TB!3 Home and TB!3 Pro other than a few MB in the filesize. That is something we would all like to know! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 How do you know it's summer in Seattle? Rain's warm? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version3 ?!
Hi John, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:43:48 AM, you wrote: JP Hi Morgan, JP On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 10:39:22 [GMT+0100] (which was 19:39:22 Australian JP Eastern Time) you wrote: I can't really see any major differences between TB!2 and TB!3 to be honest. Also I can't find any information on what is different between TB!3 Home and TB!3 Pro other than a few MB in the filesize. JP That is something we would all like to know! I am very disappointed with TB!3. I can't find anything that wasn't in the 2.13 beta. Anyway a jump for 2.12 to 3.x is pretty impressive, you would think loads of new features would have been added but I can't find them. All i can see is an ugly UI. I think I will stick with 2.12 and look for another client :( I guess September 1st 2004 was the day they destroyed The Bat! :( R.I.P -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:32:52 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client ... I fully agree. Add to that the lack of support from Ritlabs (we're totally left on our own here at teh list, not a single fix but workarounds -where possible- provided by fellow endusers) and you're looking at a situation that's getting too ridiculous to bear any longer. Who does Ritlabs think thay are, introducing supposedly shiny features -that no one is waiting for and even decrease stability- and at the same time neglecting old and persistant bugs? Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but this definitely is the end. We're with 6 pro users (add to that my personal), as I'm the (mail) admin and in charge with the sw to use, I'll most likely transfer us to Mercury. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAM P2Pplugin BODY**
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:26:07 +1000, John Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bat! 3.0 has taken the developers a year of work in close contact with users to achieve their goals. I've received this annoucement too. BULLSHIT!! Hey, RitLabs, you hear that? BULLSHIT!! Most annoying bugs in (basic) mail protocol functionality as reported for v1 *and* v2 are still in, and certainly others will be introduced. And now you want us to improve your cash flow? Forget it, not me!! -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Cory, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 11:47:57 AM, you wrote: C On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:32:52 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client ... C I fully agree. Add to that the lack of support from Ritlabs (we're C totally left on our own here at teh list, not a single fix but what about all that work on Smiley's ;-) C Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but C this definitely is the end. We're with 6 pro users (add to that my C personal), as I'm the (mail) admin and in charge with the sw to use, C I'll most likely transfer us to Mercury. If anyone from development is listening stop screwing your users The reason I moved was that I was fed up with Outlook, now it looks like I'll have to go back to Outlook and that really pisses me off Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
At 09/01/04 00:32, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I'll stick with v2.12 until it implodes, or whatever, and after that I won't be a Ritlabs customer again, ever. . . . I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client, be it PocoMail or Becky or whatever. I doubt there's one other company that succeeds in ripping their loyal, trusty paying customer base off worse than Ritlabs. Sad but true, as the uninstaller of TB! used to say when I removed it from my office machine. Well, I'll have to second that! I bought The Bat! (version 2) almost a year ago, after extensive testing of _many_ clients (the runner up for my needs at that time, if I recall correctly, was PocoMail). For all of that time, I have been a reader of [and _very_ infrequent contributor to :-)] this list. But, as you can tell from my headers, I am _still_ not a _user_ of The Bat! Why? Because, through all the different 2.x versions, and through all the various methods I have tried, it is impossible to _properly_ import my existing mail base from Eudora! And by proper, I mean not only the message bodies and headers (which is itself still not 100%), but also the correct dates and read/unread status, replied/forwarded/redirected status, etc. My fault, you may say, with some justification, since that tiny oversight was the one most crucial feature which I failed to _adequately_ test before purchase [sheepish grin]. I guess I just wanted to like The Bat! too much. But I'd like to know this: who is Ritlabs' primary target audience? Is it the internet/e-mail neophyte, or is it the e-mail veteran who knows exactly what feature-set he requires, and is most likely to be impressed, rather than intimidated by The Bat!? One might at first blush be tempted to answer that it is the latter--but how could that possibly be so, when it cannot even properly import existing e-mail?? And consider this: the format of the Eudora mailbox is an almost completely standard Unix mbox format; the one _most easy_ to read, and the one _most likely_ to be supported! Yes, I really do like The Bat!, but make no mistake: I am not about to give up 50,000 messages, representing years and years of internet traffic. And even if version 3 would import them perfectly, which is a far stretch, I'm certainly not about to pay again for what I believe I've already paid for! If Ritlabs wishes to keep me as a [possibly future repeat-paying] customer, they will need somehow to arrange for my mail to be properly transferred. Otherwise, much as I hate it to do it, the e-mail client search will resume. -- Just Another Joe Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opening links in a browser
Hi Graham, on Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:22:21 +0200GMT, you wrote: GD just wondering if anyone has come across this problem. GD If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, GD this only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 Hasn't happened here yet. GD Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I GD click on Send the message - it's annoying. Account properties - Options: disable Confirm immediate sending. -- Cheers Peter The Bat!, version 3.0, Windows 98, 4, 10, build , on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL at 133MHz, 80 MB RAM Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAM P2Pplugin BODY**
Hi Cory, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:57:47 AM, you wrote: C On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:26:07 +1000, John Phillips C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bat! 3.0 has taken the developers a year of work in close contact with users to achieve their goals. C I've received this annoucement too. BULLSHIT!! Hey, RitLabs, you hear C that? BULLSHIT!! C Most annoying bugs in (basic) mail protocol functionality as reported C for v1 *and* v2 are still in, and certainly others will be introduced. C And now you want us to improve your cash flow? Forget it, not me!! :( Looks like im not the only person to think like this. I am seriously thinking of installing Outlook 2003. It is a very good client (have to use it at work) and is pretty damn secure these days. TB! is just a huge let down now :( I hope Ritlabs go bust, nobody should pay for TB!3, it just isn't worth the money. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Graham Dodd wrote on 01 September 2004 11:13: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? I joined this list because I saw the announcement and thought - perhaps they fixed the smart word wrapping/justification issues within the Micro Ed text editor and also fixed some of the other issues that put me off using version 1.x so many years ago. I downloaded and thought the new interface looked quite good, but still pretty clumsy. It is an improvement, however - at least to me. Whilst the word wrapping problem still persists, the overall interface improvements since 1.x and a few other bits and bobs almost made me reach for my credit card. What stopped me? The flipping thing doesn't pick up mail at all from my cPanel POP3 server, but it does from my MDaemon box. I've tried regular and both STARTTLS and SSL connections but the POP3 connection always fails. I've tried it on two different workstations now and it still doesn't work. Thus I've confined TheBat! to the bin. These days I use a combination of Outlook 2003 (eeew I know - but somewhat more managable with the Outlook Quotefix program) and Barca and/or PocoMail (http://www.pocosystems.com). It's well supported and works well (IMHO). Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Morgan, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 11:15:27 [GMT+0100] (which was 20:15:27 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. Does it still top post? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)gnore, (S)orry I Asked! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAMP2Pplugin BODY**
Morgan Pugh wrote on 01 September 2004 11:03: I am seriously thinking of installing Outlook 2003. It is a very good client (have to use it at work) and is pretty damn secure these days. It still has a few annoying issues, such as I can't touch any messages in the Outbox once I've sent/queued up messages - if I try to do so I can't send it at all without deleting it from the Outbox and starting again. And this is with Office 2003 Service Pack 1 as well! TB! is just a huge let down now :( I hope Ritlabs go bust, nobody should pay for TB!3, it just isn't worth the money. I think that's a bit harsh - I wouldn't wish anybody to be unemployed. People do have the choice whether or not to buy it - the upgrade is not being forced down anybody's throats. Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version3 ?!
Hello Morgan, All i can see is an ugly UI. I don't like it either, but some people do. So, it's not a matted of being ugly or not, it is a matter of liking it or not. Anyway, it allows you to use a customised glyphs.bmp to your liking. I'm using the same I was using with v2. I think I will stick with 2.12 and look for another client :( If you don't want to upgrade for whatever reason, I suggest you stay with 2.12 (bugs included). You are not going to find anything better out there at the moment. Maybe prettier, but not better. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Opening links in a browser
GD If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, this GD only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 Have you installed Mozilla or anything related lately? -- Cheers Gabor Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
John Phillips wrote on 01 September 2004 11:33: Does it still top post? Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ There's also a version for Outlook Express. Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Morgan, The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. I doubt it. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. an excellent filtering system, I again doubt it. Does Outlook allow you to set up Common, Outgoing, Read and Replied filters. I doubt it. OFS in v2 was already good, but NFS in v3.0 has tremendous possibilities. secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. TB has them also. Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] RE: Opening links in a browser
Hello Gabor, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:39:51 PM, you wrote: GD If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, this GD only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 KPG Have you installed Mozilla or anything related lately? Yes, that was the problem I found a fix for the registry. It seems that Firefox left some old entries in the registry, ran the fix and everything works properly. thanks for the help, Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: Opening links in a browser
Hello Peter, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:20:35 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Graham, PM on Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:22:21 +0200GMT, you wrote: GD just wondering if anyone has come across this problem. GD If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, GD this only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 PM Hasn't happened here yet. GD Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I GD click on Send the message - it's annoying. PM Account properties - Options: disable Confirm immediate sending. thanks for the help, no more annoying message :-) Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refund Claim
St: I just filled out a Refund Claim form over at element5. MP: Based on what? Well, like someone else said: To get bugs fixed now (in software you paid for) you have to get the next version, and I should add: and pay for it once more. I don't want to go into details, but they didn't deliver what they promised. -- St Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Morgan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:15:27 PM, you wrote: MP Hi Graham, GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? GD Graham MP The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook MP 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure MP e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running MP scripts. dropping off the list.. Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Martyn, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:38:28 PM, you wrote: Does it still top post? MD Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to MD that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering Question
Hi tbudl, I am trying out TB!3 to see what it is like (as you all know I am not very happy with it). I am stuck with this new filtering system. I want to make a filter to auto move all of the message on TBUDL. Personally I preferred the old system however others are saying that this new system will be much better. Lets see how much better. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Refund Claim
Hello St, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:54:13 PM, you wrote: SMN St: I just filled out a Refund Claim form over at element5. SMN MP: Based on what? SMN Well, like someone else said: To get bugs fixed now (in SMN software you paid for) you have to get the next version, SMN and I should add: and pay for it once more. SMN I don't want to go into details, but they didn't deliver SMN what they promised. I can understand you do not like RitLabs' decision. That being said, I must say that as far as the law is concerned, you won't get far with this argument. Sorry. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opening links in a browser
Hi Graham, on Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:22:21 +0200GMT, you wrote: GD If I doubleclick on a link it opens 2 instances of my browser, GD this only started happening after I upgraded to 2.12 I just read something on TBBeta that might be related: Carsten Knobloch wrote: ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | Doubleclick on a link in an email opens two Firefox | windows. (Same with right click and Diesen Link öffnen-open this | link). Only one click on a link doesn't do anything. | Can anyone confirm this? Is that a known bug? | | Its a bug with Firefox. I have hosted a regfix. I think, you are a | german, please read: | http://www.batboard.net/index.php?showtopic=2334st=0#entry22372 | | There is a Download for the Regfix. `- Are you by chance using Firefox? -- Cheers Peter Lottery: a tax on people who don't understand statistics. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 b1
Hi Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 7:32:52 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. ASK they release v3 and want to charge their users again? I don't ASK know how others feel about that As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Does 3.0 properly render Outlook email?
A major problem with 2.x was that it wouldn't render Outlook email properly. It often concatenates words. Very annoying, especially when one wants to reply/forward the message. The bug was reported long ago but was never fixed. Does 3.0 fix this? jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refund Claim
Hi Mark, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 13:09:17 [GMT+0200] (which was 21:09:17 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: That being said, I must say that as far as the law is concerned, you won't get far with this argument. Sorry. Depends what country he is in. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Third time is a charm?
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 4:06:51 PM, Mark Partous wrote: [snips] MicCullen Reading the beta list is reasonably entertaining at the moment Mark No it isn't. Most comments are showing how low reasoning power can get. :-( If you're a blind defender of the appalling way that this process is being 'handled' by Ritlabs, I'd agree. It's a case-study for a PR/Marketing class to everyone else. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have. Don Herold Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAMP2Pplugin BODY**
Hello Martyn, TB! is just a huge let down now :( I hope Ritlabs go bust, nobody should pay for TB!3, it just isn't worth the money. I think that's a bit harsh - I wouldn't wish anybody to be unemployed. People do have the choice whether or not to buy it - the upgrade is not being forced down anybody's throats. I fully agree with you. And it also shows a complete lack of respect for those of us who, after all and aside of other issues, think the upgrade is worth the money it costs. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 6:59:51 PM, Mark Partous wrote: [snips] Does it still top post? MD Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to MD that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. H. L. Mencken Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering Question
Hello Morgan, I am stuck with this new filtering system. I want to make a filter to auto move all of the message on TBUDL. Personally I preferred the old system however others are saying that this new system will be much better. Lets see how much better. With NFS you should be able to do whatever you did with OFS and much more. What do you really mean by a filter to auto move all of the message on TBUDL? Actually, what I don't get is what you mean by auto move. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook You should ask that in an Outlook users mailing list, don't you think? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAMP2Pplugin BODY**
Hi MAU, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:25:03 PM, you wrote: M Hello Martyn, TB! is just a huge let down now :( I hope Ritlabs go bust, nobody should pay for TB!3, it just isn't worth the money. I think that's a bit harsh - I wouldn't wish anybody to be unemployed. People do have the choice whether or not to buy it - the upgrade is not being forced down anybody's throats. M I fully agree with you. And it also shows a complete lack of respect for M those of us who, after all and aside of other issues, think the upgrade M is worth the money it costs. Sorry if I offended anyone. I didn't mean to but you have to understand where I am coming from? Ritlabs are pretty much screwing over all its users. I bought both V1 and V2 and I don't think that anything added in V3 warrants it being a major upgrade from V2. Perhaps the problem was how Ritlabs announced this? I think they should have put an announcement on there site for the past month or so, then it wouldn't be such a big shock. Also they should have called 2.13 beta the 3.0 beta to avoid confusion. Also Ritlabs really need to improve there support. The e-mail address they supply with TB! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has never worked for me since V1 yet they still use it as the official contact from in the program. It isn't all that hard to have decent support. Get just one person who knows the program inside out and pay them to reply to emails all day. Other companies manage to do it just fine so I don't know why Ritlabs cant! -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering Question
Hi MAU, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:28:36 PM, you wrote: M Hello Morgan, I am stuck with this new filtering system. I want to make a filter to auto move all of the message on TBUDL. Personally I preferred the old system however others are saying that this new system will be much better. Lets see how much better. M With NFS you should be able to do whatever you did with OFS and much M more. What do you really mean by a filter to auto move all of the M message on TBUDL? Actually, what I don't get is what you mean by auto M move. In the email I got when joining TBUDL it says quote Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for Strings Location Presence Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kludges Yes Options: Regular expressions (Checked). /quote How do I do this in the NFS? I can't find all the options that were in OFS. Maybe I am just being stupid? Is there any way to use the OFS again? I preferred it. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAMP2Pplugin BODY**
Hello Morgan, Perhaps the problem was how Ritlabs announced this? Yes, that did upset me quite a bit. But it does not mean the upgrade is not worth. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Mike, As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user should not be charged for the upgrade. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SSL cert store in The Bat! 3?
Well, I think I've figured out what the cause of the problem was with The Bat! version 3 not being able to pick up mail from my cPanel server earlier this morning. As the certificate contains a different host name to that what I'm using for the server, I must have somehow just clicked 'continue' without adding the certificate to The Bat! and consequently it was getting confused. However, I'm unable to find any certificate store/settings within the program to make amendments to what I've already approved. I've hijacked another account within this set-up, changed the server's hostname to an aliased name within DNS and chose the regular setting. I'm able to pick up my mail just fine. Is there an email address which I could send this to at Ritlabs for their inspection/support (and yes, I'm sure I'm going to get back responses which states good luck or of similar ilk ;)). Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:45:24 +0200, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 look good at first, but they are, as with every MS product, hard to set up correctly. TB's VF's produce the wanted search results much easier, accessible on ONE properties page instead of two or three nested pages with Advanced buttons (in the usual MS style - MS really screwed a good function by bad accessibility here). ...that is, *if* the VF works (see my other message sent a couple of days ago - out of memory error whatnot). Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! It depends on what one needs from an email client. I make heavy use of TB's templates (together with the Macros of course), and Outlook has zero of that (at least nothing I know of). OTOH, one may regard all this (just like Cookies, taglines, whatever) as gimmicks braincandy :) that are not really necessary. For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering Question
Hello Morgan, quote Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for Strings Location Presence Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kludges Yes Options: Regular expressions (Checked). /quote How do I do this in the NFS? I can't find all the options that were in OFS. Maybe I am just being stupid? If you had that filter in OFS when you upgraded to v3.0 it should have been automatically converted to something like: Header match Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And it should work, but I haven't tried it. I try to get away from Regex as much as I can (also did with OFS). So, what I would really do (and have done for some other filters) in which you want to use the 'Reply-To' header field is is changing the filter to: Header field Reply-To contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] This last form I know it works. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:54:21 PM, you wrote: For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. The question is - when will the Micro Ed editor have the ability to properly re-flow quoted text without the need to use the justify left (ALT-L) keyboard shortcut? It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? :) Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user should not be charged for the upgrade. You KNOW this do you? After all, as the one beta tester who appears to have rushed in and bought a new licence, Ritlabs would have thrown a welcome party for you. (No smiley - I hate them). -- Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting office
Hi, I amusing V3 Can anyone tell me how to move all my filters to common so that I can then share them with the relevant accounts? Also is there any reason not to put all the filters in common and share them as appropriate? Thanks PJ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tenure as List Moderator Ends
Hello , I knew that I'd eventually have to do this, but I didn't predict that it would be now, especially with all that has been recently happening. Though they may seem to be connected, they really aren't. I'll be stepping down as one of the moderators of the lists (TBUDL, TBBETA and TBTECH), effective as of now. Unfortunately, I can no longer consistently find the time, nor am I able to provide the sort of list coverage that I used to which has for some time, made moderating for me, very difficult. It's no longer the enjoyable, though, hard work it used to be and with this essential ingredient (enjoyment) missing, I thought it best to stop. It was not an easy decision to make since I've had some really good times moderating the lists over the years. I've made some special friendships, and it was really great assisting with running such a great effort which has improved support for many TB! users so that they can maximize their use of TB!. Note that I'll not be leaving the lists entirely. I'll still be around, but no longer as an official trouter. -- Allie Martin [List Moderator and fellow end-user] · My PGP-Keys: http://key.ac-martin.com · The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . I know Karate, Kung Fu, and 47 other dangerous words pgpqtYpPTiosS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to Move to the new filter system - For new users.
Hello, Ok with all the other mail going on in both BETA AND TBUDL it is hard to find one good explanation on how to transfer to the new V3 filter system. I was wondering for the sake of clarity if someone from Ritlabs or a moderator could possible take a few minutes to clarify the steps on how to transfer over to the new Account Sort Filter (I'm assuming this is OSF, now NSF Whatever that stands for). I have gone back to Version 2.12 so I can write this message, but I had version 3 installed and could not get the filters to work properly. I have read bits and pieces scattered throughout the complaints, but nothing that clearly states how to use NSF while using POP3. I'm willing to do whatever it takes, but since the help file is not working in V3 - at least on this machine I can't Read The Manual. And I'm afraid in V3 search does not work, nor does it work anymore in version 2.12. I have a backup but don't want to touch it until I know for sure the right procedure. Also, I would like to know when setting up the filter system in V3 how do I get the emails to delete off the server. I have all the normal switches set as I would in Version 2, but they don't work in Version 3. I downloaded the same messages several times and according to the log only file per download was deleted from the server. I don't know where all these post are going as I don't have hundreds of duplicates. I guess what I'm saying is it would be nice if someone with knowledge of the programming would give an explanation of how to convert to the new system. It might even help calm the savage waters so to speak if people could get the basics to work :P) Thanks for any assistance. Version 3 looks interesting, has potential from what I can see, just need to get started on the right foot so to speak. -- Cheers, Dean Using The Bat!2.12.00 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Martyn, It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? :) Some people may not want to re-wrap quoted text and quote it as originally formatted. Anyway, I think there is some %quotewrapped macro (not sure of it's name) available somewhere. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 7:47:03 PM, MAU wrote: [snips] As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. MAU I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user MAU should not be charged for the upgrade. But where's the cut-off point? Should a person who (perhaps foolishly) bought a licence three months ago be slugged for the 'upgrade' (term used loosely)? The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Perhaps in time the so-called Dark Ages will be thought of as including our own. Georg Christoph Lichtenberg Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Ritlabs *is* a business...
Hello, I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but: I wonder what Ritlabs' revenues are, and how they break down? New vs. repeat business. I suspect that v3 will result in a wave fresh positive reviews in the press. Probably praising the new up-to-date look and feel (not that I've seen it yet) and perhaps comparing it favourably to v1.62. This will trigger another generation of dissatisfied MS users to pay up, and be pleasantly surprised and impressed with TB! (After all, it's still uniquely powerful tool). This must sound familiar to most people here - it's what happened to me: PC Pro 2001 I think. I'd bet that this is where their real money comes from, not in keeping a (vocal) few of the faithful happy. They are a business after all. Perhaps we'll all be slagging off *another* client, in another forum, in a few years time? -- Nick Using TheBat!: v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1:- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:00:10 PM, you wrote: Hello Morgan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:15:27 PM, you wrote: MP Hi Graham, GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? GD Graham MP The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook MP 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure MP e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running MP scripts. dropping off the list.. Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook Graham The 'classic' root is to install Eudora, import your Bat mail into Eudora then use O/L to import from Eudora. It's long winded but it works. I set up O/L 2002 and moved all my email from Agent via Eudora. I gave up on O/L though because (a) it doesn't use conventional 'unix' mail boxes so transferring mail is a pain and (b) it's not very good at threading - you seem to have to play around with group this group that etc. and end up with a gray bar you have to click to see your mail. Don't know if 2003 is any better? -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:01:38 +0800, M i c C u l l e n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. Makes me wonder how a company selling email products can't handle it... :-) I mean... I subscribed to their newsletter or announce mailinglist or whatever it was called when I bought v1.62r, and did so again when I upgraded to v2. The only mail I ever got was an advertisement for their SecureDisk product. who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement **SPAM** **SPAMP2Pplugin BODY**
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 6:36:56 PM, Martyn Drake wrote: [snips] TB! is just a huge let down now :( I hope Ritlabs go bust, nobody should pay for TB!3, it just isn't worth the money. Martyn I think that's a bit harsh - I wouldn't wish anybody to be unemployed. Martyn People do have the choice whether or not to buy it - the upgrade is not Martyn being forced down anybody's throats. As long as the concept of promising bug fixes for ages and then just saying here, pay for this new version and we'll give the same promises as for the last version works for you, then I agree. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) The average person falls asleep in seven minutes. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 b1
Hi Alexander, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:40:10 PM, you wrote: ASK On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:01:38 +0800, M i c C u l l e n [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASK wrote: The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. ASK Makes me wonder how a company selling email products can't handle it... ASK :-) I mean... I subscribed to their newsletter or announce mailinglist or ASK whatever it was called when I bought v1.62r, and did so again when I ASK upgraded to v2. The only mail I ever got was an advertisement for their ASK SecureDisk product. ASK who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in ASK v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? I get the feeling they just decided the other day to change it to v3 to get some extra cash. It didn't seem planned at all. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering Question
Hi MAU, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:59:41 PM, you wrote: M Hello Morgan, quote Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for Strings Location Presence Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kludges Yes Options: Regular expressions (Checked). /quote How do I do this in the NFS? I can't find all the options that were in OFS. Maybe I am just being stupid? M If you had that filter in OFS when you upgraded to v3.0 it should have M been automatically converted to something like: M Header match Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M And it should work, but I haven't tried it. M I try to get away from Regex as much as I can (also did with OFS). So, M what I would really do (and have done for some other filters) in which M you want to use the 'Reply-To' header field is is changing the filter M to: M Header field Reply-To contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] M This last form I know it works. Worked a charm thank you :) -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB V3 pro and personal...
How Ritlabs can believe that somebody will pay more expensive for Pro version 3 without any explanation of differences with Personal version ? -- WilWilWil (France) [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.12.00 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Alexander, On 01-09-2004 14:40, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in ASK v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? If you by beta testers mean (the majority of?) the people who have been finding and reporting bugs on tbbeta@, then no - which even a cursory read of that mailing list will acknowledge. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Ritlabs policy is not great...
Ritlabs policy is not so great... I've lost my Job last year and bought TB for manage my Job research. I'm not so happy to pay again for being up to date with TB when my order is just 3 months old ! I thing that I've not to pay for a debugging version of TB2 named TB3 ! And surtout when the bugs of V2 are not solved and no new feature needed are proposed... Ex : spell checking in html editor. -- WilWilWil (France) [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.12.00 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the diff....
Dear Jim, @1-Sep-2004, 03:34 -0400 (01-Sep 08:34 UK time) Jim Dever [JD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: JD Ok people... JD What's the feature difference between The Bat! Pro and The Bat! Home? ,--/ From a RITlabs mailing I got earlier \-- What are the differences between Home and Professional package: Professional version supports hardware authentication and biometrics, and will soon support on-the-fly encryption of the message base, configuration files and address books, thus it will do everything that SecureBat! (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/securebat/) does. Professional version does also have the multilingual interface and spell checker dictionaries incorporated into the installation package. For the home version, these language files have to be downloaded separately. `--\ End /-- -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpdui3jl4iXe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the diff....
Hi Marck, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:59:15 PM, you wrote: MDP Dear Jim, MDP @1-Sep-2004, 03:34 -0400 (01-Sep 08:34 UK time) Jim Dever [JD] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: JD Ok people... JD What's the feature difference between The Bat! Pro and The Bat! Home? MDP ,--/ From a RITlabs mailing I got earlier \-- MDP What are the differences between Home and Professional package: MDP Professional version supports hardware authentication and biometrics, and will soon MDP support on-the-fly encryption of the message base, MDP configuration files and address MDP books, thus it will do everything that SecureBat! MDP (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/securebat/) does. MDP Professional version does also MDP have the multilingual interface and spell checker MDP dictionaries incorporated into the MDP installation package. For the home version, these language files have to be MDP downloaded separately. MDP `--\ End /-- So basically they are killing of SecureBat. Not a bad idea. So basically I only need the Home Edition as I do not care for biometric security, etc. The way I read it is that Home Edition is The Bat! and Professional Edition is SecureBat. Yes? -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Anne, [A] wrote: As I understand it the Home version is the existing TB! that we're all used to, and the Pro version includes the features previously found in SecureBat - i.e. hardware tokens etc. To add to that, all the Security features available previously available in SecureBat! are not only there but are optional. They are actually switched off by default. -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Falls don't kill people. It's the deceleration trauma. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
behavior of ritlabs is dangerous !
My behavior with IT is to never pay for a soft. That why I always use free software (GNU, open office, ...) (And for windows XP : XP was packaged with my labtop ! :-) ) Watch out, I don't speak about illegal version ! It's not a good behavior to... For the first time of my life, I take my credit card for order a soft : it was for TB V2 3 month ago ! I think it was an error : I hesitated with foxmail at this time and you know, I would have chosen foxmail ! Of course, It's not the same power of features... But, how to be disappointed with a Foxmail release when it is free ? Imagine if XP SP2 was not free ? Imagine you had to pay for each security hole resolved ? You know Ritlabs : I think you've done a mistake... I propose to start a new topic mail on this list named Against paying for TB V3 with no comment, just the signature of persons who agree. And after 1 week, we forward the whole topic to Ritlabs every day ! ;-) I must probably be joking ! -- WilWilWil (France) [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.12.00 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opening links in a browser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 08:22:21 +0200, @ @ when Graham Dodd wrote: Another question, can I disable the confirmation every time I click on Send the message - it's annoying. You can, but sending accidently a message to someone could be annoying too. (-; Account / Properties / Options / Confirm immediate sending - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNaiv9q62QPd3XuIRArAaAJ9ave4NDR+lcRKlsAaFeQgalhG3sACcCCiC 3Gbpx3DBTpgqnnsG2G58528= =ih+Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Third time is a charm?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 14:46:07 +0800, @ @ when M i c C u l l e n wrote: Reading the beta list is reasonably entertaining at the moment :-) temptation -- (the desire to have or do something that you know you should avoid; he felt the temptation and his will power weakened) I am not usualy interested in any beta thing, in any way. But am near the Edge these days... (-: Will see of what material is my will power. (-; - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNayC9q62QPd3XuIRAnoMAJ4pCeFUYXe5FIHXKiIiupeVwgtKGACfX19g SVMWVTiK6ELg4QsQeT0oOZw= =Cdux -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the diff....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 03:34:50 -0400, @ @ when Jim Dever wrote: Ok people... What's the feature difference between The Bat! Pro and The Bat! Home? The website implies a feature difference (for Advanced Users) but there's not explaintion (that I can find). I didn't find any valuable (quite exact) information about it, yet. As always, is best perhaps to download and try it yourself, altho the slapping trial popups and interrupters are pretty annoying. Home has about 4 and Pro about 8 MB. The difference is a bit big, and I am just wandering what features lie behind this double/chubby size difference... Except if I do not find some fine pictures inside. (-: Or a music (as in that Christmas edition once; a small juke-box). Then I'll get mad as many other ones, so is perhaps better for me not to touch it yet. I'll just watch this time. For a while... Until my will power is weakened... - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNbUF9q62QPd3XuIRAuNbAJ903XaLqNK1oDQHLsGdNHKYPwdyowCggG0R MDRiLvN/Lyoo21XhTOFQ0xQ= =sdPF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version3 ?!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 10:46:56 +0100, @ @ when Morgan Pugh wrote: a jump for 2.12 to 3.x is pretty impressive, you would think loads of new features would have been added but I can't find them. I got trapped as well. Downloaded TBHome, backed up all Mail and TB files, and fired up the setup. Still couldn't see anything worth the new price. But, sometimes I figure some things slowly. Will try again, when I find a time. And a patience for popups slapping. All i can see is an ugly UI. But we are (all I guess) accustomed to, already. (-: You know, is not all in appearance. There is something in soul too. So, it isn't a shock anymore. I think I will stick with 2.12 and look for another client :( I do that all the time. Still no a big joy. Did you try ever FoxMail? As to simultaneous dealing with multiple accounts (which is main reason I use TB), it's even faster than TB, and is free. But some other things are not so good. I guess September 1st 2004 was the day they destroyed The Bat! :( TB 9/1. I have said something similar when 1.6... was released. Might be easily, probably, I am wrong, but from those days on is more and more dissatisfaction around. On the other side, I still use TB (-; and many other people I know who share my reactions, and opinions. There is even a third side, of people attracted by a new politics of RITlabs. It's marketing. Pretty disorganized and confused sometimes, though, but it modified the original conception and that's it. It happens all the time. On the fourth side, I know groups of people who abandoned TB, because of (actually non-existing) HTML editor, which dwells in the body of TB as some carious and useless tissue, just wasting resources, and it lasts and lasts. I'd like if I am able to somehow surgically remove it, and some other features, but am not a programmer. Nor a hacker. (-; If you have such features in a version which comes with a better tiny detail, as is newer LOG (which is valuable for my spam politics) then you have to accept all MBs of other tissues. I think is much better, for many things here, if some new features have to be included, that all the work -- until it's finished! -- has to be excluded from official versions, and, if beta test(ers) are seriously needed, that this beta branch is kept *completely* separated of the product, and a wider public. Doing it otherwise, can produce only what it produces - a total mess. (-: And angry people. Very angry. (: Homer angryyy! Homer destroooy. That's the way it is. (: Cheers. Until the next juke-box... (-; Mail me tendeeer, mail me sweeet... :eyes: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNcIk9q62QPd3XuIRAp/tAJ4sGh+TStE0ZOGhUTca7BffWf5peQCfaD+g /LW/ObRuQLgC05o31U5EqEU= =UNML -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
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~( __ _o Was Wed, 01 Sep 2004, at 11:47:57 +0200,
@ @ when Cory wrote:
Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but
this definitely is the end.
I stopped advocating when versions 1.6... had appeared (I really and
sincerely was delighted before; it was not because of $10.000 (-: ). It
simply stopped itself. I couldn't find a heart for doing this. (-: But
TB still has enough {valu|us}able features, regardless all excrescence
it carries on around, no matter how strange, and sometimes poky, it
looks.
We're with 6 pro users (add to that my personal), as I'm the (mail)
admin and in charge with the sw to use, I'll most likely transfer us
to Mercury.
The one I never tried yet. Perhaps I will, when find some time.
- --
Mica
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Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Tue, 31 Aug 2004, at 22:16:29 -0500, @ @ when Jack Morrison wrote: PS: Memo to self: Never, ever upgrade to another version of The Bat! without there being a GOOD reason to do so. I should have known better Well, all the new/fixed features should be listed clearly and correctly (and under some guarantee, money back and similar) prior to any public releasing, so the customer is able to *see* what s/he has in mind to buy. It generates a real respect and trust; and such a voice spreads fast. Contrarily, the politics of company defines the politics of users. It also spreads fast. Might be even faster. That's very simple and clear thing. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNckj9q62QPd3XuIRAgAHAJ4koDmzcrTKVMw3zc0+3zvwVmqz4gCfTuwJ P+VBjE4+u7GNXqhgZo9eUGw= =OGAu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tenure as List Moderator Ends
Hello Allie, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 7:05:32 AM, you wrote: AM I'll be stepping down as one of the moderators of the lists (TBUDL, AM TBBETA and TBTECH), effective as of now. I for one will miss your even handed approach, but I'm glad to hear you will still be around to provide your excellent way of explaining complicated things in easy to understand terms. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Dear Martyn, @1-Sep-2004, 13:01 Martyn Drake [MD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: ... snip like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. MD The question is - when will the Micro Ed editor have the ability MD to properly re-flow quoted text without the need to use the MD justify left (ALT-L) keyboard shortcut? It already does and has for about three years. Just turn on auto-format for realtime re-flowing of paragraphs. Turn it off when not editing paragraphs (lists). Ctrl-Shift-F is the shortcut key. MD It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't MD do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When MD you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but MD why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the MD user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? MD :) It can. See Editor preferences: Smart wrapping of quoted text. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpujs3KKmSqs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the diff....
Dear Morgan, @1-Sep-2004, 14:02 Morgan Pugh [MP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip MDP ,--/ From a RITlabs mailing I got earlier \-- MDP What are the differences between Home and Professional package: MDP Professional version supports hardware authentication and biometrics, ... snip MP So basically they are killing of SecureBat. I'm not certain about that, since it does included a physical key that can be removed for extra security. MP Not a bad idea. So basically I only need the Home Edition as I do MP not care for biometric security, etc. MP The way I read it is that Home Edition is The Bat! and MP Professional Edition is SecureBat. Yes? Pretty much, yes! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgphPytTlQFhg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Refund Claim
Hello John, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:17:18 PM, you wrote: That being said, I must say that as far as the law is concerned, you won't get far with this argument. Sorry. JP Depends what country he is in. Well, to start with, fill me in on the Australian situation. How much time (after buying things or services) does a consumer have to claim a refund? 1 year (would be very generous), a month, 10 days? And, is there really a basis for granting such a request? Does he have a written contract in which is stated that specified bugs would be solved? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting office
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 8:03:43 PM, Paul Jansen wrote: [snips] Paul I amusing V3 Fascinating typo. (Assuming it is that, of course :-) -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything. Frank Dane Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello M, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) MicCullen But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... Must be you didn't try Time Chaos (that does sync too)! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change of heart
Hi The Bat! User DL, Well I just installed every e-mail I could find and have spent the past 5 hours testing them all out. I have not found one that is as good as TB! I have also been talking to a friend of mine who is currently using a trial copy TB! after I told him to give it a try and he said something which really made me think. What he said was why am I complaining about £20 (or so) when TB! is such a good client? I could spend £100 (approx.) on Outlook, or spend £20 or so on a lesser client. Yes Ritlabs were idiots in how they handled this but instead of having a go at them and all of us throwing our toys out of the pram. We need to explain to Ritlabs what upset us so that they can better deal with things in the future. Therefore I have made the radical decision to buy TB!3. I would rather pay for a product I love that buy another product just because of some poor communication from Ritlabs. I hope that what I have said makes sense to others as well. I am glad my friend is such a logical thinker :) The 50% discount isn't all that bad, more than most companies offer (most companies offer 20-30% if you look around). I will try it out for the remainder of my trial but I plan to buy V3 when my trial is over :) -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Refund Claim
Hi Mark, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 2:35:24 PM, you wrote: MP Hello John, MP Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:17:18 PM, you wrote: That being said, I must say that as far as the law is concerned, you won't get far with this argument. Sorry. JP Depends what country he is in. MP Well, to start with, fill me in on the Australian situation. How much time MP (after buying things or services) does a consumer have to claim a refund? MP 1 year (would be very generous), a month, 10 days? MP And, is there really a basis for granting such a request? Does he have a MP written contract in which is stated that specified bugs would be solved? In the UK you have 14 days however companies that offer a trial version for at least 14 days (which Ritlabs does with a 30 day trial) means they do not have to offer any refunds as the user is able to use the product to its full capacity before buying it. As for what Ritlabs said they would do feature wise in TB! it depends if it was a true contract or just features they are planning on adding/fixing. I am not a lawyer so this might not be 100% but I highly doubt you would be entitled to any sort of refund now. Just stick with V2 if you are unhappy. It is a great client and nobody is forcing you to upgrade to V3 yet just, however if you do you will get a nice 50% discount. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Mark, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 2:53:52 PM, you wrote: MP Hello M, MP Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) MicCullen But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... MP Must be you didn't try Time Chaos (that does sync too)! :-) I wish it were possible to sync my TB! calander with a portable device (I have a Pocket PC so there is probably no chance in hell but I would gladly switch to a Palm if I could sync with TB!). Does anyone know if this is possible? Sorry for the thread hijack :/ -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB V3 pro and personal...
Hello WilWilWil, How Ritlabs can believe that somebody will pay more expensive for Pro version 3 without any explanation of differences with Personal version ? The is still honest people out there. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs *is* a business...
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 8:29:31 PM, Nick Dutton wrote: [snips] Nick I'd bet that this is where their real money comes from, not in keeping Nick a (vocal) few of the faithful happy. They are a business after all. But businesses should have ethics, should they not? And not keeping promises isn't very ethical. That seems to be the main bone of contention. Of course, it's almost impossible to tell what Ritlabs are thinking or going to do, due to their usual policy of almost total non-communication. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Don't mistake movement for achievement. It's easy to get faked out by being busy. The question is: Busy doing what? Jim Rohn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 12:13:28 PM, Graham Dodd wrote: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? Becky! -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs policy is not great...
Hi, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 2:50:13 PM, WilWilWil wrote: I've lost my Job last year and bought TB for manage my Job research. I'm not so happy to pay again for being up to date with TB when my order is just 3 months old ! Same for me. I thing that I've not to pay for a debugging version of TB2 named TB3 ! And surtout when the bugs of V2 are not solved and no new feature needed are proposed... Ex : spell checking in html editor. My point of view: I won't update. 2.12 is good for me, I don't have problems with bugs. But Ritlab's attitude is very disappointing. -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt download?
Hello Paul, Tuesday, August 31, 2004, 8:14:04 PM, you wrote: PC On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:59:29 +0200, Andre Wichartz wrote: Hello Peter, On 24 Aug 2004 at 16:58:43 -0400 GMT [22:58 CEST] you wrote: PK Where can I find the latest version of BayesIt for download? PK The site given in Plugin-BayesIt is a Russian language page of Ritlab. PK TIA http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit0511.rar PC I have downloaded 053 from the ritlabs site: PC Version 0.5.3 PC [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] PC (20.04.2004) That is a bit out of date. 0.5.5 is the one that is included in the 2.12 TB distribution and the latest I have seen is 0.5.11. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Clive, You KNOW this do you? No, I don't _know_. After all, as the one beta tester who appears to have rushed in and bought a new licence, Ritlabs would have thrown a welcome party for you. Of course, with loads of champagne and vodka... but I like beer an there was none. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems With Spam Filters and Filters
Howdy, Due to my desktop crashing completly (Motherboard, HD all fried, power surge) I was not using The Bat to download my email and was instead using web based for 2.5 months. In that period, I only used web based and had ammassed around 4000 emails that I had not downloaded from POP3. Upon restoring my computer and The Batk Backup, I had 2.5 months worth of email to sort. Approx 1500 would be SPAM. I managed to manually click on 898 SPAM messages and move them to the junk folder. Here lies one problem. The rest of the SPAM in my inbox would be the pretty much the same, yet when I go to re-filter the messages, The Bat does not pick up anymore SPAM (After learning from 898) which is annoying. Also, my other filters no longer work, and when I create new filters refiltering does not work for them either...When the refilter box comes up it shows that all messages are being filtered which it weird, as this does nor occur afterwards... I am using The Bat v3 with the new SPAM plugin. Is there any clues? Cheers, Scott Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
