Re: SOT - Removing old DLL's
Hello Sir Jinx!, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:18:42 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 12:18:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Sir Jinx! wrote: Hello , I have two programs that need new versions of mfc42.dll and comctl.dll. But I can't remove them in _any_ known way I tried _everything_: deleting, renaming or cutting them didn't work. Even from DOS [Norton Commander] - NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Can someone PLEASE tell me what to do?! remove in dos, asuming you want to remove them. I would prefer a proper install of the newer ones so you have a better chance of not corrupting windows. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Found a bug
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:33:34 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 1:33:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Perhaps you right, but the O/S might be related too. Anyone who use NT Workstation having same problem (I am using Windows 2000 Professional now). Syafril, haver you installed the chinese option as well? Ie localisations, keyboard after which you have I think whatever you need to write and read chinese... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hello all,
since it seems to be always the same stuff that you're not satisfied
with I'll put my answer in one reply:
IMAP, PGP integration and the editor are not perfect to you. I'm
satisfied with the way they're implemented. And I'm sure they'll
improve them anyway.
But why DO you use The Bat then? I guess all of you wouldn't do if
they thought they hadn't find the best client available. Not saying
the perfect one. But one that's better than the other in many points.
Nico
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Re: SOT - Removing old DLL's
On Thursday 27 January 2000 Sir Jinx! wrote: I have two programs that need new versions of mfc42.dll and comctl.dll. But I can't remove them in _any_ known way I tried _everything_: deleting, renaming or cutting them didn't work. Even from DOS [Norton Commander] - NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Can someone PLEASE tell me what to do?! Assuming you're running NT4 or earlier or Win98 or earlier, start a Command Prompt window (doesn't work from explorer), cd to your windows system directory and "MOVE MFC42.DLL MFC42.DLL-OLD". This should be possible. Then copy the new MFC42.DLL into there. New programs will use it, but to get already running programs to use it you'll need to reboot. Failing that you'll need to hack the RunOnce registry key to get windows to do it for you on the next reboot. If you select the mfc42.dll in explorer and press Alt-Enter, the version tab will tell you which version of MFC you have installed. On the microsoft support site (support.microsoft.com) there is a list of shipped MFC versions - search for "MFC version history", or now there is a dedicated page listing the shipped versions of *all* microsoft components (and which product they shipped in), but I forget the exact URL to this. If you're running NT5/Windows 2000, then System File Protection prevents this completely. The only officially endorsed way is to update them through an official service pack or the windows update website. (I'm sure other, less official, ways will be discovered very soon though :-) For situations like this, MS now recommend putting the needed version of the DLL in the same directory as the application. I'm not sure if this works 100% of the time now, but they've modified the way DLLs work in Win2000 specifically to try and stop "DLL Hell". John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Found a bug
Hello tracer, On Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 15:28:45 GMT +0700 (which was 27/01/2000 15:28 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: [ Amazing, your reply looks good, congratulation to you Keith and Thomas --- who succeeded to confince you to do this ] Perhaps you right, but the O/S might be related too. Anyone who use NT Workstation having same problem (I am using Windows 2000 Professional now) ? t Syafril, haver you installed the chinese option as well? Not yet, but still in my other partision (I am dual boot, NT2000 and NT4W). I am using Office2000 too, and running more better in win2000 than NT4W). t Ie localisations, keyboard after which you have I think whatever t you need to write and read chinese... I can't read/write chinese, but later I will install it, just want to see "better looks" if my chinese correspondence sending me mail (sometimes he forgot to change to English mode, especially his Real Name). -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Thursday, January 27, 2000, 18:43:55 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:57:23 +0100, Nico Schirwing wrote: ==8 IMAP, PGP integration and the editor are not perfect to you. I'm satisfied with the way they're implemented. And I'm sure they'll improve them anyway. But why DO you use The Bat then? I guess all of you wouldn't do if they thought they hadn't find the best client available. Not saying the perfect one. But one that's better than the other in many points. I haven't found the perfect (in my eyes) e-mail client yet. TB! however, is the best that I have ever used for my needs. It has some shortcomings but these don't get in my way as much as it does for others namely, Alex. It was you who made the statements : Nico The Bat unites all the features that other programs lack off under a Nico smart interface. I always thought that would be impossible, since Nico often you get cool features here and a nice interface there... but not Nico all together. Well, until I found The Bat! Of course Steve had to pounce on such sweeping statements and prove them wrong, and he's right. They are wrong. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Thoughts on Quick Search
Hi, I have a few hangups with the quick search facility: a) It should be invoked with a single keyboard shortcut instead of just simply hitting lettered keys with the message list in focus. b) Why not let it do searches by dynamic elimination. By this I mean, the message list only lists messages satisfying the search string and as you type each new character the list is updated. When you're finished only the messages that fit the search criteria are listed. c) If I place the quick search applet on the toolbar, fitting it snugly beside the main toolbar, focus on the message list, and then start typing, suddenly the the quick search applet is changed to a floating window which appears towards the bottom of the screen. If the quick search window is placed on the toolbar why is this happening? Yet another loophole in an apparent convenience feature; the convenience feature being that the window is opened floating when you starting hitting lettered keys with the message list in focus. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Oxymoron: Self-dependent. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB and Linux?
Hello Oleg, Thursday, January 27, 2000, 08:29, you wrote something about "TB and Linux?": OZ Maybe export to unix mailbox will help you to work it around? That would be, as you say, just a workaround. I will probably be working a couple of hours a day with each operating system and im- and exporting the complete mailbox every time would be a bit tideous... I thought TB uses a standard format for storing messages? Greetings, Mike Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://surf.to/tron ICQ: 8461191 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello, Bat users, Well, I finally gave in to my Bat fantasies and registered this software. I'm basically a mailer collector, being the proud registered owner of Datula, EdMax, DinoX, King of Mail, Akira32Gold and other obscure programs (all reviewed on my Web site). But I've always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest. Now to my problem. I've got three accounts set up, and have set two of them to check for new messages automatically every few minutes. I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I have to do so manually. I can't find any setting that would affect this behavior. It doesn't matter whether the Mail Ticker is open or not. What am I missing? -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hallo John,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT (27.01.2000, 21:21 +0800 GMT),
John De Hoog wrote:
JDH always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being
JDH that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail
JDH sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest.
Mine does Chinese. Do you have a Japanese Windows? In that case, it
should display the Japanese characters. Otherwise, TB still has a
problem with CJK, but I hope that Unicode will be in the upcoming
version 2 ("it will be ready in six months").
JDH Now to my problem. I've got three accounts set up, and have set two
JDH of them to check for new messages automatically every few minutes.
JDH I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but
JDH for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I
JDH have to do so manually. I can't find any setting that would affect
JDH this behavior.
OK, try: Options/Network Administration and check whether the
tickbox "No automatic dial" is checked.
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Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900, John De Hoog wrote: ==8 Now to my problem. I've got three accounts set up, and have set two of them to check for new messages automatically every few minutes. I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I have to do so manually. I can't find any setting that would affect this behavior. It doesn't matter whether the Mail Ticker is open or not. If you setup the periodic checking using Account|Properties|Options| 'periodic checking each...', and also have it setup for *each* account then I don't know what the problem is since there are no other settings available for manipulating this function. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ A paperless office has about as much chance as a paperless bathroom. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:19 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: ==8 JDH Now to my problem. I've got three accounts set up, and have set two JDH of them to check for new messages automatically every few minutes. JDH I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but JDH for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I JDH have to do so manually. I can't find any setting that would affect JDH this behavior. OK, try: Options/Network Administration and check whether the tickbox "No automatic dial" is checked. That shouldn't have anything to do with his problem since he has a constant/permanent connection to the internet. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Gambling: The sure way of getting nothing for something. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hallo Allie, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:05:15 -0500 GMT (27.01.2000, 22:05 +0800 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM That shouldn't have anything to do with his problem since he has a AM constant/permanent connection to the internet. Right. John, can you activate the dial-up monitor (Options/Show Dial-Up Monitor/Show always) and check whether TB knows that you are connected? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hi John, Thursday, January 27, 2000, 1:21:55 PM, you wrote: JDH Well, I finally gave in to my Bat fantasies and registered this JDH software. I'm basically a mailer collector, being the proud JDH registered owner of Datula, EdMax, DinoX, King of Mail, Akira32Gold JDH and other obscure programs (all reviewed on my Web site). Checked out Datula from the link on your site, very nice MUA, just need to learn Japanese now:-) Do you know if they plan an English interface? -- Best regards, Mark Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4 10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:16:55 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: ==8 AM That shouldn't have anything to do with his problem since he has a AM constant/permanent connection to the internet. Right. John, can you activate the dial-up monitor (Options/Show Dial-Up Monitor/Show always) and check whether TB knows that you are connected? Uhm. If he successfully does a manual download of his mail and is able to send mail then I'd think TB! knows about his connection. Right? :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ If you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Thoughts on Quick Search
Morning Allie Martin, a) It should be invoked with a single keyboard shortcut instead of just simply hitting lettered keys with the message list in focus. I have postulated this as well ;-) b) Why not let it do searches by dynamic elimination. By this I mean, the message list only lists messages satisfying the search string and as you type each new character the list is updated. When you're finished only the messages that fit the search criteria are listed. Also a feature I'd advocate. Although one might want to make it an option c) If I place the quick search applet on the toolbar, fitting it snugly beside the main toolbar, focus on the message list, and then start typing, suddenly the the quick search applet is changed to a floating window which appears towards the bottom of the screen. To be precise, it appears where the header information of the message preview begins or where you last put it - except if you put it in the toolbar. ;-) If the quick search window is placed on the toolbar why is this happening? Yet another loophole in an apparent convenience feature; the convenience feature being that the window is opened floating when you starting hitting lettered keys with the message list in focus. I agree this is annoying and should be changed. So -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
Morning John De Hoog, Now to my problem. I've got three accounts set up, and have set two of them to check for new messages automatically every few minutes. I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I have to do so manually. I can't find any setting that would affect this behavior. What are the setting is your Options|NetworkAdministration window? It's a wild guess, but since you have a permanent connection it might help if you set it to "LAN or manual connection" is it isn't. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT - Removing old DLL's
Hello John Sullivan, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:39:23 + GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 6:39:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, John Sullivan wrote: If you select the mfc42.dll in explorer and press Alt-Enter, the version tab will tell you which version of MFC you have installed. On the microsoft support site (support.microsoft.com) there is a list of shipped MFC versions - search for "MFC version history", or now there is a dedicated page listing the shipped versions of *all* microsoft components (and which product they shipped in), but I forget the exact URL to this. I normally do a search as these files tend to be on systems many times. If you're running NT5/Windows 2000, then System File Protection prevents this completely. The only officially endorsed way is to update them through an official service pack or the windows update website. (I'm sure other, less official, ways will be discovered very soon though :-) easy... at least one Dos program will go into NTFS files and allows writing and I guess that the NTFS drive reading program under windows also will allow that. More important is what happens after you replace them as changing things like this in a secret way could collapse the OS around your ears For situations like this, MS now recommend putting the needed version of the DLL in the same directory as the application. I'm not sure if this works 100% of the time now, but they've modified the way DLLs work in Win2000 specifically to try and stop "DLL Hell". Supposedly autorecovering John -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:19 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 8:46:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Hallo John,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT (27.01.2000, 21:21 +0800 GMT),
John De Hoog wrote:
JDH always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being
JDH that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail
JDH sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest.
Mine does Chinese. Do you have a Japanese Windows? In that case, it
should display the Japanese characters. Otherwise, TB still has a
problem with CJK, but I hope that Unicode will be in the upcoming
version 2 ("it will be ready in six months").
Thomas, my system does chinese... under English 2000
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Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello John De Hoog, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 8:21:55 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, John De Hoog wrote: Hello, Bat users, Well, I finally gave in to my Bat fantasies and registered this software. I'm basically a mailer collector, being the proud registered owner of Datula, EdMax, DinoX, King of Mail, Akira32Gold and other obscure programs (all reviewed on my Web site). But I've always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest. I think under windows 2000 it will do japanese... It does chinese even if I cannot read it If you can send me some Japanese I can read it with the japanese fonts snapshot them and send them back to see if it IS japanese... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Thoughts on Quick Search
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:22:31 +0100, Jast wrote: ==8 b) Why not let it do searches by dynamic elimination. By this I mean, the message list only lists messages satisfying the search string and as you type each new character the list is updated. When you're finished only the messages that fit the search criteria are listed. Also a feature I'd advocate. Although one might want to make it an option Just to add to what I was saying. The index search by elimination is more efficient especially when used for lists that are not in alphabetical order. A message list is a prime example. X-News and Powermarks are two nice examples of applications who's list searches are implemented in my proposed way. Take this scenario. I wish to look for messages from jasper in X-News. I don't know specifically which of his messages I am looking for. His messages are few, but widely distributed among 1000 messages. I type in the quick search, 'jasper', and already a list of the message list is truncated to comprise messages with the string 'jasper' in them. I need go no further. I see all the messages form Jasper listed. I may now browse them. No need to hit Ctrl-Enter to find the next message satisfying the search criteria. No need to worry about what point in the message list I am searching from in terms of searching up or down. IMHO, the present implementation of quick search is more optimised for streaming text/document searches rather than lists. c) If I place the quick search applet on the toolbar, fitting it snugly beside the main toolbar, focus on the message list, and then start typing, suddenly the the quick search applet is changed to a floating window which appears towards the bottom of the screen. To be precise, it appears where the header information of the message preview begins or where you last put it - except if you put it in the toolbar. ;-) Ah yes, certainly. Thanks for the clarification. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ A program is never finished until the programmer dies. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 2:57:23 AM, Nico wrote: But why DO you use The Bat then? I guess all of you wouldn't do if they thought they hadn't find the best client available. Not saying the perfect one. But one that's better than the other in many points. Because it is the most acceptable trade-off of a field of clients that all are flawed and, IMHO, not "perfect" in any way. I have made it no secret why I use TB!, so here it is again for the newbies. I chose to use TB! because it does not use MDI (which rules out most clients right there), has accounts completely separate, had a partial IMAP implementation and most importantly of all, active development. It isn't features or that I think it is better than all other clients, it is that it has active development whereas other clients which I do consider better do not. If that development goes a way that I don't like, I'm more than willing to drop my support of the product and move on. To me being the best of a bad lot means you are, at best, mediocre. Not that I'm calling TB! mediocre, just pointing out that your argument of being "better" than the others doesn't mean much when the whole field in question is so poor to begin with that most issues and features are not address or implemented correctly. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Thoughts on Quick Search
Morning Allie Martin, I type in the quick search, 'jasper', and already a list of the message list is truncated to comprise messages with the string 'jasper' in them. I am clear about what you meant, and I'd usually prefer this functionality. The reason I'd like it to be an option is that I sometimes want to find a message in a certain thread, and see the thread around it right away... What you described can be rather well achieved by Alt-press on "jaspers" name so you only see messages by him. Not perfect for my needs either sometimes, but it makes it better :-) -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 11:45, Nico Schirwing wrote about "Re: Why do I use The Bat?": Okay, it's OT here, let's move it into private if you so wish;-) Anyhow, here's the reply: I could supply here a pretty long list of *essential* features that it doesn't support, but I won't. I hope it's obious that I speak for me and not for the hole mankind. For me it's the best. It does nearly all I want. People tend to change. Have you ever thought about it? in other words, they tried to tell you how all this is supposed to work judging by the standards;-) Displaying the year of a date in two-digit format is not standard. Why??? I've just come home having examined my students (in math;-)). In their documents, I signed this way: examination mark 24.01.00 my signature. Perfectly legal, perfectly valid, perfectly standard. It's clearly *neither* 1900 *nor* 2100;-) It seems pretty useless to discuss such stuff. Why not make it configurable if some people don't like it? Just FYI: David Harris has told on PM-WIN that "since some users wish it to be configurable, it will become so" in 3.12c (in a week or two). BTW: the reasonable wishes are implemented "on the fly"... ...and the really annoying bugs stay where they are. Take a look at the editor. It's a nightmare. Here I *totally* agree. But the MIME functionality is supported in full, contrary to the current TB... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Thoughts on Quick Search
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:27:42 +0100, Jast wrote: ==8 I am clear about what you meant, and I'd usually prefer this functionality. The reason I'd like it to be an option is that I sometimes want to find a message in a certain thread, and see the thread around it right away... OK. What you described can be rather well achieved by Alt-press on "jaspers" name so you only see messages by him. Not perfect for my needs either sometimes, but it makes it better :-) I know about that function and use it but I find it's application to be rather different. I shouldn't have used a name as an example. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Error reading FAT Table. Try Skinny one? (Y/N). ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hello Alexander,
People tend to change. Have you ever thought about it?
No. There are three constants in the universe: Pi, the speed of light
and I! ;-)
Displaying the year of a date in two-digit format is not standard.
Why???
That question was worth some billion Dollars. Well, more the question
of storing, but anyway...
examination mark 24.01.00 my signature. Perfectly legal,
perfectly valid, perfectly standard.
It's a bad habit in my opinion but if you can live with it I can, too.
It's clearly *neither* 1900 *nor* 2100;-)
People like you will cause the Y3K-Problem... *g*
Just FYI: David Harris has told on PM-WIN that "since some users
wish it to be configurable, it will become so" in 3.12c (in a week
or two).
I'm curious how much they'll have to beg for the preview pane.
Nico
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Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hello Allie,
Of course Steve had to pounce on such sweeping statements and prove
them wrong, and he's right. They are wrong. :)
There's just one thing left to say and that is: ;-P
I guess we stop this discussion since it's obviously that the "perfect
program" means something different for everybody here. It's useless to
argue about taste.
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Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hello Steve,
Because it is the most acceptable trade-off of a field of clients
that all are flawed and, IMHO, not "perfect" in any way.
I can only compare with the competitors and with what I need. That way
it comes pretty close to "perfect" for me.
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Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 10:38:53 AM, Nico wrote: No. There are three constants in the universe: Pi, the speed of light and I! ;-) Pi has changed through the years, the speed of light has been reduced in certain mediums to a point where a beat up Yugo could outrun it, and you'll fall to the one true constant of the universe, death. What, me refute anything? Never. ;) I'm curious how much they'll have to beg for the preview pane. Why? People who submit to the preview pain are beyond my comprehension. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
NS Displaying the year of a date in two-digit format is not standard. It NS seems pretty useless to discuss such stuff. Why not make it NS configurable if some people don't like it? My Bat shows the year with four digits. If yours doesn't, it is user configurable. Hit "Regional Settings" in the control panels and change the short date format (I recently did this due to the Y2K sort bug with Agent and 00 vs. 99). -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hello Steve,
and you'll fall to the one true constant of the universe, death.
It's highly off topic but: You'll agree that, in your world view, I'll
be constantly dead then. Kind of final upgrade. Right? :-)
People who submit to the preview pain are beyond my comprehension.
The preview pane is one of those things that I really love in The Bat!
Is there anyone who really likes something in that program? You're
always talking about what you don't like...
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Re: Why do I use The Bat?
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:05:47 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote: ==8 My Bat shows the year with four digits. If yours doesn't, it is user configurable. Hit "Regional Settings" in the control panels and change the short date format (I recently did this due to the Y2K sort bug with Agent and 00 vs. 99). TB! does it's own thing. It's date and time formatting is not affected by the windows regional settings. :( -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 11:18:17 AM, Nico wrote: Is there anyone who really likes something in that program? You're always talking about what you don't like... Of course I do. What I like doesn't need improvement. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hello Tom,
My Bat shows the year with four digits. If yours doesn't, it is user
configurable. [...]
Sorry, it was a comment about Pegasus. Thanks anyway for the hint! :-)
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Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 6:46:19 AM, Thomas wrote:
Hallo John,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT (27.01.2000, 21:21 +0800 GMT),
John De Hoog wrote:
JDH always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being
JDH that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail
JDH sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest.
Mine does Chinese. Do you have a Japanese Windows? In that case, it
should display the Japanese characters.
Or have you tried it with third-party display software, such as NJStar
or UnionWay? I've done my testing mostly with Korean, but I'm pretty
sure I saw it working with Japanese and Chinese at one point.
The Bat still has definitely problems with CJK. For example, you can't
change the font, and the headers are mangled, but viewing seems to
work.
Otherwise, TB still has a
problem with CJK, but I hope that Unicode will be in the upcoming
version 2 ("it will be ready in six months").
Unicode will make it possible to communicate in CJK IF your
correspondents are using Unicode and it's supported by your OS
I hope the developers will also support the older encodings in version
2.
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Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 7:35:11 AM, Mark wrote: Hi John, Thursday, January 27, 2000, 1:21:55 PM, you wrote: JDH Well, I finally gave in to my Bat fantasies and registered this JDH software. I'm basically a mailer collector, being the proud JDH registered owner of Datula, EdMax, DinoX, King of Mail, Akira32Gold JDH and other obscure programs (all reviewed on my Web site). Checked out Datula from the link on your site, very nice MUA, just need to learn Japanese now:-) Do you know if they plan an English interface? Agreed. I also enjoyed the rest of your Web site; it made me very envious. By the way, where did the "wonmug" come from? -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 19:38, Nico Schirwing wrote about "Re: Why do I use The Bat?": People tend to change. Have you ever thought about it? No. There are three constants in the universe: Pi, the speed of light and I! ;-) Well, there exist many more;-) m/e ratio, for one;-) As for _you_... well, give me your value first;-) Displaying the year of a date in two-digit format is not standard. Why??? That question was worth some billion Dollars. Well, more the question of storing, but anyway... For *me*, it's a question of screen real estate. Two characters more saved... As for the "On 27 Jan 00, at 19:38, Nico Schirwing wrote" line above, well, some might think "Jan 00" is a bit ugly (looks like a toilet for some g), but for me it again hardly matters as far as I'm perfectly understood. examination mark 24.01.00 my signature. Perfectly legal, perfectly valid, perfectly standard. It's clearly *neither* 1900 *nor* 2100;-) People like you will cause the Y3K-Problem... *g* Are you going to be cloned (uhm... let me count...) about 133,(3) times? What a heroic attempt to eternity!;-) Just FYI: David Harris has told on PM-WIN that "since some users wish it to be configurable, it will become so" in 3.12c (in a week or two). I'm curious how much they'll have to beg for the preview pane. Actually, it's already there: it's a matter of how you position the MDI childs of Pegasus. Provided that they remember their size/pozition (which they clearly do), one needing preview pane just needs to position the folder listing in the upper-right corner of the screen, the message reader -- in the lower right corner, and voila. Personally, I don't think preview pane is useful at all. As far as Pegasus is concerned, preview pane is said to be there later this year (maybe;-)). -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Climate is what we expect; weather is what we get. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 10:56, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Why do I use The Bat?": No. There are three constants in the universe: Pi, the speed of light and I! ;-) Pi has changed through the years, Steve, you are clearly worth the 0 mark in Math;-) Pi has never changed, it's the people who measured it;-) I'm curious how much they'll have to beg for the preview pane. Why? People who submit to the preview pain are beyond my comprehension. Me, too;-) (Moderators, I'm guilty!) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Air conditioned environment - Do not open Windows --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 12:19:36 PM, Alexander wrote: Are you going to be cloned (uhm... let me count...) about 133,(3) times? What a heroic attempt to eternity!;-) Wanna bet? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/01/26/1133249mode=thread -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 12:23:21 PM, Alexander wrote: Steve, you are clearly worth the 0 mark in Math;-) Pi has never changed, it's the people who measured it;-) Nope, it is how it has been measured through the years. Of course there is always the theory that there is a memory leak in the universe and that is why pi has increased from 3 in biblical times to the current value. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Bug?
Hello Wolfgang, Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 1:35:47 PM, you wrote: WK The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message. WK That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your WK home page and add the URL to your signature. WK And please add an signature separator "-- " (dashdashenternewline) WK to your TBUDL template. Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if everyone has easy access to your public key and that is the best way to do so. I don't think you have to wait more than a fraction of a second more for your mail to download if it contains my public key. The problem could be solved by the software we are using - software wouldn't make our lives easier if we always had to adjust to them. What about the other way? Sincerely, Sebastian. PS: I'm not going to change the way I sign a message, why do you have to complain about that? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Bug?
Hello Nick, Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 8:26:52 PM, you wrote: NA On Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 3:01:02 PM, Sebastian Ahmadi wrote: The program keeps asking me if I want to import the keyset. Well, the first time I thought that would be okay, but it does that EVERY time I am decrypting a mail. What's that all about? Does anyone have the same problem? What's the solution? NA Does it ask you that each time you are sent an encrypted message from the NA same User, or are we talking about messages from different Users? If it's NA the same user, are they using the same private key to encrypt all the NA messages, and have you got their public key on your keyring? NA Nick The program always asks me to add the key for the same sender. It is so annoying. Is there anything I could do? Or do I have to wait for the guys from RITlabs to fix that? Thanks in advance, Sebastian. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:36:56 -0500, Sebastian Ahmadi wrote: ==8 Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if everyone has easy access to your public key and that is the best way to do so. I don't think you have to wait more than a fraction of a second more for your mail to download if it contains my public key. Suppose everyone using PGP were to adopt your policy. 10 people like you would add an extra second to my download time and the time factor builds up. It's even more significant from the server and internet bandwidth side of things. These little things add up. It's always good to avoid the excess baggage in your mail such as excessive quoting and excessive signatures. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Everyone is entitled to my opinion. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 12:36:56 PM, Sebastian wrote: Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if everyone has easy access to your public key and that is the best way to do so. No, it is not the best way to do so. Once they have it they don't need it again... and again... and again. This month alone I have generated 522 messages in my private account and 274 in my work accout. That's 796 messages. Wait, more, 38 messages out of mutt so far this month on my private account. So that is 807 messages (not counting this one) in 01/2000 alone. I would guess that I've mailed the same 20-30 addresses. That is a *LOT* of duplicated things sent. I don't think you have to wait more than a fraction of a second more for your mail to download if it contains my public key. One message, no. I get 300+ a day. That would come out to 90k more. that is not a "fraction of a second" even on my cablemodem. Furthermore, you have to think about list servers like this. I run a list with 230 people on it. Your message hits that server and is duplicated about that many times to be sent out. That would be an extra 69k *per message* that my server needs to send out. 230 members is a moderately small list. There are many more that are much, much larger. Considering that most people don't *WANT* that data at all and the rest don't want it repeatedly it is best that you don't pollute their boxes with your repeatative crap. The problem could be solved by the software we are using - software wouldn't make our lives easier if we always had to adjust to them. What about the other way? What other way? What my public key? Here: http://www.rpglink.com/~morpheus/pgpkey Click that. Let's compare. That is 41 bytes compared to your 300+. It is human readable. It is automated. It is better than what you're advocating. PS: I'm not going to change the way I sign a message, why do you have to complain about that? Wow. You're not going to get along well with most of the internet, are you? Not even trying to fit in. A proper sig delimiter means that software, you know, that stuff that is supposed to make life easier for scrubs like you, knows what to color differently or remote when quoting so you don't have to. Gee, 20 seconds to change 3 templates to extend the same courtesy we're extending you and you're too good for that. Beh, go away. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Bug?
Hi, WK And please add an signature separator "-- " (dashdashenternewline) WK to your TBUDL template. Oh no, sorry, that should read dashdashblankenter of course :-( -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A in Darmstadt, Germany, on a 500Mhz P3, 128MB SDRAM, SCSI disks http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Why do I use The Bat?
Hi, ... GCS Support for all of the PGP options. Eudora used to support these GCS (Eudora Lite still does, AFAIK, although Eudora Pro has been "broken" GCS for several versions now). And Eudora Pro with PGP support was not sold outside the US when I was looking for a new mailer in 98. So they where out of business :-) -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A in Darmstadt, Germany, on a 500Mhz P3, 128MB SDRAM, SCSI disks http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
Why is that an absolutely annoying overhead? PGP works best if everyone has easy access to your public key... AM Suppose everyone using PGP were to adopt your policy. 10 people like you AM would add an extra second to my download time and the time factor builds up. I agree with Allie and Steve, a URL is much more efficient. Need I suggest something else? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What's that look like to everyone? What about replacing *this* with a link to this info? This comes on every single message that's posted to the list, and although it's nice to have the info handy when it's needed, often when it's needed the obvious in-your-face solution doesn't get noticed... -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
tracer wrote... t I think under windows 2000 it will do japanese... It does chinese even t if I cannot read it t If you can send me some Japanese I can read it with the japanese fonts t snapshot them and send them back to see if it IS t japanese... The problem with Japanese is that there are several different encoding schemes, so you need a mechanism for detecting them, and also for inserting the right char set when you send. Then you need an editor that can properly handle the "kinsoku shori" editing rules. Unicode isn't practical yet for Japanese because nearly everyone uses iso-2022-jp, not UTF. Anyway, EdMax and Datula work great with Japanese. I am using The Bat because it's an interesting program, not because it's the most practical for my real needs. Still haven't solved the message checking problem, though. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Datula
Keith wrote... KR On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 7:35:11 AM, Mark wrote: Checked out Datula from the link on your site, very nice MUA, just need to learn Japanese now:-) Do you know if they plan an English interface? KR Agreed. I also enjoyed the rest of your Web site; it made me very KR envious. Thanks. Datula will be arriving in English later this year. It was supposed to be out last month, but I was able to convince the author to work on improving the news reader side of things before releasing it. If he does so successfully, it's going to be a killer program. KR By the way, where did the "wonmug" come from? The Alley Oop comic series, which goes way back in time. The scientist who created the time machine in that comic was Doc Wonmug (one mug, ein stein, get it?). -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Jast wrote... The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I have to do so manually. I can't find any setting that would affect this behavior. J What are the setting is your Options|NetworkAdministration window? It's a J wild guess, but since you have a permanent connection it might help if you J set it to "LAN or manual connection" is it isn't. It has been set to LAN or manual connection all along, just as I do with the other half dozen programs I use. This is the first time I've had such a problem. I wonder if it's something in the 1.41 beta version I'm using? -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Why do I use The Bat?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 12:42, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Why do I use The Bat?": Steve, you are clearly worth the 0 mark in Math;-) Pi has never changed, it's the people who measured it;-) Nope, it is how it has been measured through the years. That's what I ment. Of course there is always the theory that there is a memory leak in the universe and that is why pi has increased from 3 in biblical times to the current value. ;) Won't work: those Indian guys had counted it pretty precisely at about the 1st century BC (at least). 3.14 they got;-) As for the biblical times (which weren't that far anyway: that's AFAIK mainly the times between 10th and 6th centuries BC), seems that the ancient jews just didn't know how to count it;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 13:52, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: PGP Bug?": I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-( Or replace it with the applicable rfc2369 information. Network Working Group G. Neufeld Request for Comments: 2369 Nisto Category: Standards Track J. Baer SkyWeyr Technologies July 1998 The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands and their Transport through Message Header Fields -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Everyone should believe in something -- I believe I'll have another drink. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
You know, I just realized why this never occured to me and why I don't like using it. CNTL-F4 is the windows standard for closing a subwindow of an application. :/ -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 2:04:08 PM, Alexander wrote: I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-( For the record I learned about it from the list server listar. I'm not sure what other list servers implement it. I don't believe TB!'s list server does. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:04:08 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-( I had a look see on what this was all about. Two things: The Bat would have to support the necessary user interface enhancements to make use of these mailing list specific header entries for handling subscriptions etc. The next thing is that this method doesn't really affect the whole business of repetition now does it? The repeated stuff (URLS's and mail:to's for subscription purposes) is just being moved from the text body to the headers. One is readily visible. The other isn't. :) However, since the headers will not be padded by the instructions around the URL's, I guess it is better than nothing from a bandwidth conserving POV. I also agree and endorse the idea mostly from the angle from which it is primarily intended and that's to make things easier for the user through the provision of a consistent interface to subscribe/ unsubscribe etc. from the various mailing lists. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 .*.*. Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** "How to Catch Worms" by Earl E. Bird ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 14:10, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: PGP Bug?": I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-( For the record I learned about it from the list server listar. I'm not sure what other list servers implement it. I don't believe TB!'s list server does. Listserv and Lyris do support this RFC. Don't know about the others. Anyhow, eventually all will do. Unless M$ makes it's own list server software;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: If you have to travel on a Titanic, why not go first-class? --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:04:39 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: You know, I just realized why this never occured to me and why I don't like using it. CNTL-F4 is the windows standard for closing a subwindow of an application. :/ Quite right, now that I've checked. In the case of TB!, it's the Esc key. :))) shrug -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 .*.*. Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Leftists are among the first to speak of their rights. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
I wrote... JDH I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but JDH for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I JDH have to do so manually. It now works properly. After setting up TheBat for the first time, I had never actually closed down the program. I tried exiting and then restarting, and now it checks mail automatically just fine. Thanks for all the help. (Does this count as a bug?) -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
SL You know, I just realized why this never occured to me and why I don't SL like using it. CNTL-F4 is the windows standard for closing a subwindow of an SL application. :/ (Yeah I pointed that out during our previous dead horse. ;) Remappable keystrokes can't come too soon! Turning off quicksearch entirely is my most desired feature (well, ok, second next to toggling virtual space)... -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
Thursday, January 27, 2000, 3:32:41 PM, Tom wrote: Remappable keystrokes can't come too soon! Turning off quicksearch entirely is my most desired feature (well, ok, second next to toggling virtual space)... You know, I've never seen quicksearch. *shrug* -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
(No Subject)
Tom Plunket [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What's that look like to everyone? What about replacing *this* with a link to this info? This comes on every single message that's posted to the list, and although it's nice to have the info handy when it's needed, often when it's needed the obvious in-your-face solution doesn't get noticed... That sort of overhead is one reason I read this list on digest. I just wait till about 4 digests have arrived, and then select them and export to a text file on desktop to open in NoteTabPro and scroll thru. In digests there is only *one* of those 'sigs' that you see above. -- Best regards, rellieb-jean -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Bug?
Hi there! On 27 Jan 00, at 17:57, Allie Martin wrote about "Re: PGP Bug?": I fully support the suggestion of Steve. BTW, AFAIK this is already on the wishlist (?). This technique has proved to be quite useful I'd say. It's one of the pretty useful and pretty standard things that TB doesn't support yet but the other MUAs do (e.g., Pegasus);-( I had a look see on what this was all about. Two things: The Bat would have to support the necessary user interface enhancements to make use of these mailing list specific header entries for handling subscriptions etc. Yes. But _this_ is not a bloat, it's really as simple as that;-) The next thing is that this method doesn't really affect the whole business of repetition now does it? The repeated stuff (URLS's and mail:to's for subscription purposes) is just being moved from the text body to the headers. One is readily visible. The other isn't. :) Well, but the one that's "readily visible" is not visible usually (I recall lots of "unsubscribe me" messages) for some;-) However, since the headers will not be padded by the instructions around the URL's, I guess it is better than nothing from a bandwidth conserving POV. I also agree and endorse the idea mostly from the angle from which it is primarily intended and that's to make things easier for the user through the provision of a consistent interface to subscribe/ unsubscribe etc. from the various mailing lists. Yep, that's what's the whole idea of that RFC about IMO. Consistency;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: He who laughs last is S-L-O-W. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:16:31 +0900, John De Hoog wrote: It now works properly. After setting up TheBat for the first time, I had never actually closed down the program. I tried exiting and then restarting, and now it checks mail automatically just fine. Thanks for all the help. (Does this count as a bug?) Nah. TB! behaves funny at times and a restart gets it back in order. I guess it's more a stability issue than anything else. TB!'s instability for me is not based on outright crashes or lockups. It tends to start behaving peculiarly, the most common thing being that the message list will not display for any of the folders. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 .*.*. Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** EMAIL - when it absolutely positively has to get lost at the speed of light. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Found a bug
Hello tracer, On Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 22:28:46 GMT +0700 (which was 28/01/2000 22:28 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: t Syafril, haver you installed the chinese option as well? Not yet, but still in my other partision (I am dual boot, NT2000 and NT4W). I am using Office2000 too, and running more better in win2000 than NT4W). t Slower but I threw out that silly delay on the boxes where things t get brighter . In mine, Win2000 running more faster than NT4W (same machine of course). t Ie localisations, keyboard after which you have I think whatever t you need to write and read chinese... I can't read/write chinese, but later I will install it, just want to see "better looks" if my chinese correspondence sending me mail (sometimes he forgot to change to English mode, especially his Real Name). t Thai works... Even in Notepad, Wordpad. Just a note, Chinese (or Japanese) character only seen better in replying editor, means if I receive Chinese character it looks like garbage character till I reply...seems like TB! auto encode can't recognize well the character set in "receive mode" :-( Well, this is not good, but at least work for me (I need my sister to translate Chinese or Japanese, so generally I was forward/redirecting any Japanese/Chinese message to her :-)). -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Friday, January 28, 2000, 8:13:25 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Hello John, On Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 08:16:31 GMT +0900 (which was 3:16 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: I wrote... JDH I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but JDH for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I JDH have to do so manually. It now works properly. After setting up TheBat for the first time, I had never actually closed down the program. I tried exiting and then restarting, and now it checks mail automatically just fine. Thanks for all the help. (Does this count as a bug?) Actually this is problem that has been encountered before, but for some reason it never generated much useful discussion on the list. I guess not too many people can afford to leave their Internet connections on long enough to verify this bug. If you don't mind running a couple of tests, someone had previously mentioned that when they left TB running for more than 36 hours straight, then TB would stop checking mail automatically. Unfortunately I can't test this myself, but if you can verify this behaviour, it might be worth reporting to the developers. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
SOT: Win 2000 and languages (was:Re: Found a bug)
Hi Syafril, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:21:24 +0700GMT (28/01/2000, 09:21 +0800GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: t Thai works... Even in Notepad, Wordpad. Tracer, isn't your Windows Thai? g Seriously, the way I understand you (and Unicode) is that "all" languages are there in W2K. Wouldn't that be a huge overhead? SH Just a note, Chinese (or Japanese) character only seen better in SH replying editor, means if I receive Chinese character it looks like SH garbage character till I reply...seems like TB! auto encode can't SH recognize well the character set in "receive mode" :-( Cannot confirm this under C-Win98, Syafril; Chinese displays correctly in both cases. Of course, it's the only thing displaying correctly (namely Big5 encoding) ;-). I do not understand why there would be a difference in your case. Are you using different Translation (right-click when viewing) or Encoding (Options/Message Encoding in Editor when forwarding)? If both is the same chosen language, you should see the same on your screen IMHO. I wish I could use characters now only in ISO-8859-2 or Thai (CU). If W2K has all these languages, you don't need TB's Encoding/Translation function at all, do you? Or do you still need it, with an additional choice UTF-8? And if you have it, how does this depend on W2K? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Januk wrote... JA Actually this is problem that has been encountered before, but for JA some reason it never generated much useful discussion on the list. I JA guess not too many people can afford to leave their Internet JA connections on long enough to verify this bug. If you don't mind JA running a couple of tests, someone had previously mentioned that when JA they left TB running for more than 36 hours straight, then TB would JA stop checking mail automatically. Unfortunately I can't test this JA myself, but if you can verify this behaviour, it might be worth JA reporting to the developers. Will do. I'll get back to you in another 36 hours or so. ^-^; -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Hello John, On Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 13:26:22 GMT +0900 (which was 8:26 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: JA they left TB running for more than 36 hours straight, then TB would JA stop checking mail automatically. Will do. I'll get back to you in another 36 hours or so. ^-^; Thank you. Just out of curiosity, about how much mail do you download in a typical 36 hours straight? The reason I ask is, the other person who complained about this bug was downloading upwards of 1000 messages a day. I'm wondering if perhaps The Bat encounters some upward limit on the number of messages downloaded in one session then decides to quit. This seems unlikely, but since there are so few people who can do this test, it would be nice to get as much information as possible about the conditions when the bug occurs. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Januk wrote... JA Just out of curiosity, about how much mail do you download in a JA typical 36 hours straight? The reason I ask is, the other person who JA complained about this bug was downloading upwards of 1000 messages a JA day. I'm wondering if perhaps The Bat encounters some upward limit JA on the number of messages downloaded in one session then decides to JA quit. This seems unlikely, but since there are so few people who can JA do this test, it would be nice to get as much information as possible JA about the conditions when the bug occurs. I certainly don't get 1,000 in that time, though a few hundred for sure. However, I'm dividing the load right now between The Bat! and EdMax, with the latter getting mostly Japanese mail. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Thoughts on Quick Search
On Thursday, January 27, 2000, 5:09:26 AM, Allie Martin wrote: b) Why not let it do searches by dynamic elimination. By this I mean, the message list only lists messages satisfying the search string and as you type each new character the list is updated. When you're finished only the messages that fit the search criteria are listed. That sounds like a great idea. I never played much with this applet, but with mine I notice that as I type, it seems to search for the subject, yet if I type in a name, then it will highlight the thread that contains the first message in the Message List with a posting from that author. Is that the way your's works? c) If I place the quick search applet on the toolbar, fitting it snugly beside the main toolbar, focus on the message list, and then start typing, suddenly the the quick search applet is changed to a floating window which appears towards the bottom of the screen. If the quick search window is placed on the toolbar why is this happening? Hmmm? Mine stays put on the Toolbar, regardless of the search string, but I'm using the 3 pane view which is probably different than what you are using. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
JA Actually this is problem that has been encountered before, but for JA some reason it never generated much useful discussion on the list. I JA guess not too many people can afford to leave their Internet JA connections on long enough to verify this bug. JDH Will do. I'll get back to you in another 36 hours or so. ^-^; I'll double "Doc Wonmug"'s experiment. I usually shut TB down when I go home for the night, but I'll try to keep it running for a couple of days. Hey, there's another enhancement I'd like to see: disabling the "Close" button on the upper-left side of the window, or maybe just making it minimize. I often hit it out of habit, when all I want to do is drop it to the tray. I get a couple hundred messages a day, so maybe we can hit the limit after a week or so if there is one. ;) -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Selecting quoted portion of a reply
Hello, Bat users, Most email clients allow you to select just part of a message before you hit Reply, with only the selected part showing up as the quoted text. TB seems to be missing that function, or is there an easy way to do it that I haven't discovered? With Agent, Eudora, and many other programs, selecting a portion of the original message and hitting Reply (or the keyboard equivalent) results in just that portion appearing in your reply as the quoted message. Datula has a context menu choice that does the same thing. I tend to prefer the former approach, which is easy and more widely used. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
Steve wrote... SL On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 03:30:25PM +0900, John De Hoog wrote: I tend to prefer the former approach, which is easy and more widely used. SL The problem is that it makes the assumption that if text is marked then SL you want to use it for a reply. That is not the only reason to mark text. A SL lot of email that some people get have data in the email they use in other SL windows and CP to those windows. Automatic quoting of marked material is a SL pain. Furthermore, aside from simple replies like this one, it is not good to SL use since if quoting properly the individual should be quoting a little, SL replying a little, quoting a little more and so on. IE, it isn't a single SL block of text he is quoting. So why couldn't it be offered as an option? Whether it's a pain or a convenience depends on the type of mail you get. For most of mine, I quote only a selected part, not the whole message. So it's a function I use all the time when it's available. I don't really know what you mean by "marking" text for other reasons, BTW. The Datula approach, though, has the advantage of letting you select text, open the context menu on it and decide what to do, with one option being to reply to that portion alone. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Hello John De Hoog, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:16:31 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 6:16:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, John De Hoog wrote: I wrote... JDH I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but JDH for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I JDH have to do so manually. It now works properly. After setting up TheBat for the first time, I had never actually closed down the program. I tried exiting and then restarting, and now it checks mail automatically just fine. Thanks for all the help. (Does this count as a bug?) Quite a few options set in the Bat only work after a restart of the program. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:32:41 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 6:32:41 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Remappable keystrokes can't come too soon! Turning off quicksearch entirely is my most desired feature (well, ok, second next to toggling virtual space)... Agreed, Quicksearch is one of those things I never use and which gets activated way too often by acident -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
Thomas wrote... This is what happens when I select a text portion and hit Shift-F4 -- no text gets quoted. What's it supposed to do?? -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Found a bug
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:21:24 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 8:21:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Not yet, but still in my other partision (I am dual boot, NT2000 and NT4W). I am using Office2000 too, and running more better in win2000 than NT4W). Thats what I am going to do in the next few hours. Dismantle my system, rebuild it, reformat a nice 13 gb drive with (* and then add a dual format win 2000. In mine, Win2000 running more faster than NT4W (same machine of course). Will depend on hardware/memory etc and whats running... t Thai works... Even in Notepad, Wordpad. Just a note, Chinese (or Japanese) character only seen better in replying editor, means if I receive Chinese character it looks like garbage character till I reply...seems like TB! auto encode can't recognize well the character set in "receive mode" :-( Oddly enough before when I located a Thai font I could receive Thai but not type it... Now I can type and send but let me se what it all does on a clean hard disk without generations of collected garbage (oops I mean stored data) Well, this is not good, but at least work for me (I need my sister to translate Chinese or Japanese, so generally I was forward/redirecting any Japanese/Chinese message to her :-)). -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:30:25 +0900, John De Hoog wrote: Most email clients allow you to select just part of a message before you hit Reply, with only the selected part showing up as the quoted text. TB seems to be missing that function, or is there an easy way to do it that I haven't discovered? That'd be F4 or right-click on the message, go to specials and it's there "reply quoting using selected text". -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 .*.*. Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Reality is an obstacle to hallucination. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Thoughts on Quick Search
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:07:12 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: That sounds like a great idea. I never played much with this applet, but with mine I notice that as I type, it seems to search for the subject, yet if I type in a name, then it will highlight the thread that contains the first message in the Message List with a posting from that author. Is that the way your's works? I don't use the threading in TB! so I don't know how it works in threaded view but it searches all the text in the messages listing under From, To and Subject and Date fields. It will find the first message that contains the text string in either of these fields. Hmmm? Mine stays put on the Toolbar, regardless of the search string, but I'm using the 3 pane view which is probably different than what you are using. I don't use the preview pane but I just tried it with the preview pane and the problem is still there. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 .*.*. Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT: Win 2000 and languages (was:Re: Found a bug)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:20:35 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 11:20:35 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Tracer, isn't your Windows Thai? g Seriously, the way I understand you (and Unicode) is that "all" languages are there in W2K. Wouldn't that be a huge overhead? English 98 v2m, as it will be I hope again in 2 hours. SH Just a note, Chinese (or Japanese) character only seen better in SH replying editor, means if I receive Chinese character it looks like SH garbage character till I reply...seems like TB! auto encode can't SH recognize well the character set in "receive mode" :-( Seems I now have a problem with it in the bat... Anyway, off to a clean install. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
Hi John, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:48:06 +0900GMT (28/01/2000, 14:48 +0800GMT), John De Hoog wrote: JDH The Datula approach, though, has the advantage of letting you select JDH text, open the context menu on it and decide what to do, with one JDH option being to reply to that portion alone. Sorry, mistake in my previous message. This is correct: shift-F4 : reply without any quotes. F4 (only): reply quoting marked text (I just used it). cntrl-F4 : reply quoting all. What more choices do you need? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:53:17 +0900, John De Hoog wrote: This is what happens when I select a text portion and hit Shift-F4 -- no text gets quoted. What's it supposed to do?? It did what it is supposed to: F4 - Reply quoting selected text Shift+F4 - Reply without quotation Ctrl+F4 - Reply using address in From header or Reply to Sender. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 .*.*. Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
Allie wrote... AM That'd be F4 or right-click on the message, go to specials and it's AM there "reply quoting using selected text". That's it, F4! Thanks! This is a fine solution, and another example of how well thought out a program it is. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Selecting quoted portion of a reply
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:07:20 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Sorry, mistake in my previous message. This is correct: shift-F4 : reply without any quotes. F4 (only): reply quoting marked text (I just used it). cntrl-F4 : reply quoting all. ^ Err. That should be 'reply specifically to sender' -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 _*.*_ Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C: mean? ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
