On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:18:26AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Lots of people have been receiving emails like the one below.
[...]
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:48:10 -0400
> From: lice...@openssl.org
> To: dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
> Subject: OpenSSL License change
> Message-ID: <20170322204810.ra49
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 08:49:39PM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> > > From: "Constantine A. Murenin"
> > > If we do not hear from you, we will assume that you have no objection.
> > Is this for real?!
> > Who do they think they are? ...
> >People should not bother to respond to such nonsense, and the
>>> Jimmy Hess 27-Mar-17 02:49 >>>
:
> silence does not generally grant permission.
Since never grants permission.
> But the people in that project might be able to convincingly deliver some
> kind of argument that they've had implicit or "understood" permissions
> made at time of submission
> > From: "Constantine A. Murenin"
> > If we do not hear from you, we will assume that you have no objection.
> Is this for real?!
> Who do they think they are? ...
>People should not bother to respond to such nonsense, and then sue
> OpenSSL for obvious copyright infringement
I think "Don't bot
"Michael W. Lucas" wrote:
|On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 02:37:58PM +0100, Sebastian Benoit wrote:
|> It's about "You cannot change the licence without consent of the \
|> author" and
|> "We just assume that you say yes to this because we dont care about your
|> rights", which is morally and legall
Sebastian Benoit wrote:
|Steffen Nurpmeso(stef...@sdaoden.eu) on 2017.03.24 14:03:45 +0100:
|> Bob Beck wrote:
...
|> According to [1] the chosen license is however the "best" academic
|> license, and the only one which allows patent protection. Best in
|> sofar as all tested items are gre
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:55:10AM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 02:37:58PM +0100, Sebastian Benoit wrote:
> > It's about "You cannot change the licence without consent of the author" and
> > "We just assume that you say yes to this because we dont care about your
> > rig
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 02:37:58PM +0100, Sebastian Benoit wrote:
> It's about "You cannot change the licence without consent of the author" and
> "We just assume that you say yes to this because we dont care about your
> rights", which is morally and legally wrong.
It's very simple. Four words.
Steffen Nurpmeso(stef...@sdaoden.eu) on 2017.03.24 14:03:45 +0100:
> Bob Beck wrote:
> ...
>
> Disclaimer: i have read about licenses many years ago (likely over
> a decade, i stopped reading the german computer magazine c't
> somewhen in 2005). I like and use the ISC license that your
> proje
Bob Beck wrote:
...
Disclaimer: i have read about licenses many years ago (likely over
a decade, i stopped reading the german computer magazine c't
somewhen in 2005). I like and use the ISC license that your
project has chosen and fosters whenever i can.
According to [1] the chosen license is
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:48:10 -0400
> From: lice...@openssl.org
> To: dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
> Subject: OpenSSL License change
[...]
> We are asking for your permission to change the licence for your
> contribution. Please visit this link to respond; you will have a chance
[...]
> If we do
> On 24 Mar 2017, at 3:51 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>
> it is great that someone found a way to convert between licenses.
>
> AGPL -> GPL -> ISC -> PD
pfSense went through with this, being a 2-Clause BSD fork of m0n0wall,
going through a 6-Clause ESF and CLA (all your rights are belong to
us) t
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:51:06 -0600
"Theo de Raadt" wrote:
> Dude, you are being melodramatic
>
> it is great that someone found a way to convert between licenses.
>
> AGPL -> GPL -> ISC -> PD
>
> thumbs up to the people who found a shortcut
>
Now this is genius.
> > If we do not hear from you, we will assume that you have no objection.
>
> So, they will claim that, by not responding, the recipient agreed.
>
> Some jurisdictions I am aware of accept verbal contracts or this kind
> of written contracts, since civil proceedings will not be held up to a
> hi
> So did anyone who replied with "NO" get a followup to "reconsider"?
So far, everyone who says no is getting a mail from Rich Salz.
So did anyone who replied with "NO" get a followup to "reconsider"?
I only "contributed" some doc fixes, so my "vote" doesn't really
mean much.
...
> If we do not hear from you, we will assume that you have no objection.
So, they will claim that, by not responding, the recipient agreed.
Some jurisdictions I am aware of accept verbal contracts or this kind
of written contracts, since civil proceedings will not be held up to a
high standa
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 17:48 Bob Beck wrote:
> Honestly, anyone who gets one of these should say no
>
> what would you all think if people quietly took derived works of software
> licensed under one license and took silence as assent to relicense
>
> Does this mean that with an unanswered email
Honestly, anyone who gets one of these should say no
what would you all think if people quietly took derived works of software
licensed under one license and took silence as assent to relicense
Does this mean that with an unanswered email i can now release my re
licensed as ISC version of gcc? o
> > The start suggests they want to privately collect sufficient consensus
> > to pass their agenda. They appear to be considering all actions in
> > the tree (including mine) on equal grounds.
>
> I already sent them a clear "NO, i explicitly object to relicensing
> any of my contributions."
>
> > The last sentence suggests they don't care at all about the rights of
> > the authors.
>
> I also sent them a separate mail stating that i strongly suspect
> that last sentence to be grossly illegal in almost any jurisdiction.
Of course: Lack of consent is not equal to consent.
Hi Theo,
Theo de Raadt wrote on Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:18:26AM -0600:
> Lots of people have been receiving emails like the one below.
>
> They have never asked the community of authors what they want.
>
> I think OpenSSL are using a github "garbage-in / garbage-out" style of
> process. Feel f
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