[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Focused Designer areas - Please contribute

2018-05-10 Thread Morgaine O'Herne
I'm interested in the Wordpress integration.  

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:20:02 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I am building something to curate and present *TiddlyWiki Enthusiasts, 
> designers and developers information* and the relevant components or 
> techniques. 
>
> This is with the View to presenting Focused Content such that there are 
> different ways for people to discover TiddlyWiki information
>
> *Please do not confuse this with a related post about end user solution 
> areas.*
>
> There Is my list so far.
>
>- CSS and StyleSheets
>- Developers
>- Documentation
>- Hosting TiddlyWiki
>- Macros and Code Snipits
>- Plugins and Bundles
>- SharePoint Integration
>- Theming and Layouts
>- WordPress Integration
>
> Thanks in Advance for your Contribution.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Speaks -- "I am a Quine"

2018-05-10 Thread Morgaine O'Herne
Why won't TW limbo in Idaho?  I'm in Idaho. What's wrong with Idaho?

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 8:03:36 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TW Speaks... 
>
> I am a Quine (though I won't limbo in Idaho).
>>
>> I enable your doings with me. I don't mind you bend me. 
>>
>> Your purpose is my start and stop. I will rearrange myself to your will.
>>
>
> French commentary: https://soundcloud.com/barabara/2-le-barbouze 
>
>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Focused Solution Areas - Please contribute

2018-05-10 Thread TonyM
Thanks David,

The list has really grown, and I like many of you categories, Which I am 
dividing into Solutions and Developer (for want of a better name).

My Intention is to build content that helps end users see tiddlywiki 
potentials and in many cases your list includes solutions and links that 
will be relevant. 

I would not want to duplicate your effort but I would like link to it and 
possible iframe it, and promote submission to your links.

I notice I can generate links such 
as https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=ZwEp6DIkbBgSPUbtBDIrbydS 
and an iframe



What are you thoughts on this?

Regards
Tony



On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 12:36:08 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Feel free to swipe stuff from the toolmap, that has a number of those 
> items. Blessings
>
> Dave
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 10:07:06 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I am building something to curate and present *TiddlyWiki solutions* and 
>> the relevant components or techniques. 
>>
>> This is with the View to presenting Focused Content such that there are 
>> different ways for people to discover TiddlyWiki without scaring them off 
>> with TiddlyWikis true diversity of posiblities
>>
>> Please contribute general areas in which solutions can be found. Lets try 
>> not to get too detailed just list items that are popular or somewhat 
>> generic.
>>
>> There Is my list so far.
>>
>>
>>- Calendaring
>>- Brainstorming
>>- Dashboards
>>- Desktop Applications
>>- Game Campaigns
>>- Journals and Diaries
>>- Mapping
>>- Mobile Applications
>>- Personal Database
>>- Personal Notebooks
>>- Personal Productivity
>>- Presentations
>>- Projects
>>- Web Site Hosting
>>
>> I am working on a separate list and will post soon for Designers. The 
>> above are purely the end use type of solutions that can be achieved with 
>> TiddlyuWiki 
>>
>> Thanks in Advance for your Contribution.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to export or convert my TiddlyWiki wiki to another Wiki such as MediaWiki etc

2018-05-10 Thread TonyM

>
>
> Is that possible to do in bulk or is my data stuck in TW?
>
 
TiddlyWIki is the one place it is not stuck, I can't guarantee that for all 
the other places. 

Why can I say this?

   - The data is easily exported in a number of standard ways
   - You totally control not only the data but the ways to manipulate it 
   and export it.
   - You have an active community that can support your needs
   - You can save, duplicate and store how and when you desire.


   - Of course advanced features like macros are not so easily transferred, 
   but then they are bonus features.

However I think what you are actually asking is what Jed refers to and that 
is formatting.

   - If you have a systematic and often repeating need to do so you can 
   build or use a process to convert to and from WikiText.
   - However if it is a one off transfer, obtain the details of  the 
   different markups involved (eg; Bullet list, headings) for WikiText and 
   WikiMedia and use a good editor such as NotePad++ to systematically find 
   and replace one markup for another. 
   - If you do go down this path I can give additional advice, such as use 
   intermediate values eg convert \n! and \n!! to \n \n (where \n 
   means new line) such that you can later change these to the destination 
   format.  Without hitting other examples of "!"
   - If you keep notes of the steps you took to achieve this and it can be 
   generalised we can use this info to build a process in tiddlywiki or 
   elsewhere.
   - There will be case where a leading "!" means heading in wiki text, but 
   in another the == heading ==  needs to be wrapped in for example ==, this 
   may need other tricks to handle conversion, or manual intervention to add 
   == to the end of each line beginning ==
   - Once again its all about how much and how often as to which approach 
   to follow.

There are I believe also existing solutions to translate WikiText into 
other markup/markdown language which you may use to convert WikiText into 
an intermediate format, the use an online conversion tool to change into 
MediaWiki wiki text. PanDoc https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html
For example Print as PDF and Convert to WikiMedia, or Print as PDF use 
open/save in word then convert word to WikiMedia.




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[tw5] Tiddlywiki integration with Shower

2018-05-10 Thread Mohammad
Presentation Edition

Shower (https://github.com/shower) is a light and powerful HTML5+CSS3+JS 
engine for making elegant presentation. The problem is users have to learn 
html and creating and editing such file is tedious and out of the 
capabilities of a general users. Tiddlywiki is a great powerful wiki engine 
and if shower could be imported as a plugin to TW5, then it would be 
possible to have a very powerful presentation edition.

If you make a search in the net, there are many eforts creating 
presentation using HTML, so there is a huge a request for a simple tool to 
do this.

Best
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Arlen Beiler
Technically we have four categories. Servers (including server scripts),
services, notebook managers.

TiddlyServer actually is a server, and uses the NodeJS TiddlyWiki server as
a tool to serve datafolders. Both are servers, but the one uses the other.

NoteSelf, TiddlySpace, and TiddlySpot would be "services" in that they
manage the data storage internally (more or less). TW in the Sky is a
service as well.

TiddlyDesktop could be considered a "notebook manager". Same with Quine and
AndTidWiki.

The electron scripts that I wrote are simple wrappers that do little more
than enable a wiki to work using its own code with minimal interference. I
have actually written a script to load a datafolder into the Electron
browser and sync changes directly to the file system using the file system
adapter without using the server command at all. It sounds incredible, but
it worked perfectly. I think it was a bit of a hack though.

So we have servers (including server scripts like PHP), services (hosted by
others), and notebook managers. I would say that is the three categories of
platforms we have.

Just my observations.



On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> I agree that would make sense - eventually.
>
> At the moment I want to experiment with the format for this though. For
> example, I have a (vague!) idea about a step-by-step guide/wizard that asks
> "Do you have access to a public server - Y/N?" , "Do you want to access
> your TW from multiple computers (owned by you)?" etc. Actually, the
> specific questions will be formulated much depending on what the actual
> platforms do feature and enable.
>
>
> Yes, that’s a really interesting idea. I was thinking along similar lines
> when I did the new turbo-charged GettingStarted tiddler, but of course
> never got very far).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Plus, I expect it to be some work to actually gather the data for the
> different alternatives because I need to ask around.
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Extract Tiddler Files From HTML Tiddlywiki

2018-05-10 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter
If I have a stand-alone HTML Tiddlywiki, is it possible to run a command 
line to extract the tiddler files which would be the result of running the 
GUI import into a node.js TW?  Excluding system tiddlers...

I see 
https://tiddlywiki.com/static/How%2520to%2520build%2520a%2520TiddlyWiki5%2520from%2520individual%2520tiddlers.html.
  
I'd like to go the other direction.  To complicate matters a bit, I have 
classic markup, TW5 markup, and markdown markup tiddlers in my HTML TW.  
I'd like a way to automate an export into the related .tid and .md files.  

As explanation, I'd like to work with a HTML TW, save my file using WebDAV, 
and have the server generate a file per tiddler, so that an indexing 
process on the server can index the individual files.  I'm considering this 
route because node.js Tiddlywiki has some characteristics which make it 
unsuitable for some of my users.

Thanks!
-kevin

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-10 Thread Stobot

One more thing I noticed actually that might be a bug. When I and another 
have a wiki open and one of us goes into edit mode, the others show locks 
as designed. However if I go into edit mode, and while I'm in edit mode 
somebody else opens it, they do *not* see the lock. So essentially once 
anyone opens the wiki, they don't know who all is editing what - they only 
see who *starts* to edit while they have it open. 

Not sure if I explained that well, but hopefully that makes sense.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-10 Thread Stobot
Beautiful, I look forward to trying it out when the executable versions are 
ready - I use the Windows 32bit and standard 64bit versions.

Quick question - are there any easy options to backup with this? I tried to 
use SharePoint/OneDrive synced folders but I think that sync process, and 
the built-in syncing process of this tool conflicted and I got very strange 
results - flickering and then the TiddlyWiki just started ignoring some 
tiddlers. 

Thanks again Jed!

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to export or convert my TiddlyWiki wiki to another Wiki such as MediaWiki etc

2018-05-10 Thread Jed Carty
Does whatever else you are using have a format you can convert to? All 
tiddlywiki data can be exported as plaintext, css or json so it is easy to 
convert with some simple scripts. Javascript, perl or python would work 
well for it.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-10 Thread Jed Carty
While trying to improve handing of .meta files I may have made the date 
fields handling work. So hopefully both the date fields and renaming 
tiddlers that have .meta files should work now.

This is just on the node js version for the moment. I am going to bed, the 
single executable versions will probably be updated in the morning.

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

2018-05-10 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

At $299 a month, I think I'll give it a pass. ;-)

In the case of the USDA data, it's all there in easily accessible form. 
It's just a matter of picking out the right items (not name brand items), 
massaging the data, and converting to Tiddler form. Also, not all the 
entries have the same nutrients, complicating things.

Boy, I wish I had known there was a market for web-scraping back when I 
still had the skills.

-- Mark



On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
>
> Mark,
>
> You may already know this: There's a service that pulls data from the web 
> and lets you work on it: https://www.import.io/
>
> Alfonso
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 11:23:45 AM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> I suppose I could do a reboot, pulling in stats from the USDA and 
>> expanding the nutrients. Except they seem to have too many:
>>
>> Energy
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

2018-05-10 Thread Alfonso Arciniega

Mark,

You may already know this: There's a service that pulls data from the web 
and lets you work on it: https://www.import.io/

Alfonso


On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 11:23:45 AM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
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>
> I suppose I could do a reboot, pulling in stats from the USDA and 
> expanding the nutrients. Except they seem to have too many:
>
> Energy
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki MeetUp in US -- June 2018?

2018-05-10 Thread Lost Admin
I live in Toronto, Canada I could drive to Syracuse, Albany or Utica. 
Syracuse is the shorted drive for me. I'll have to see if my passport is 
still valid, though.

Nothing to show off (unless you want help setting up a WebDAV server for 
TiddlyWiki or your own CouchDB server for Note Self), but a couple of days 
away and seeing what people are actually working on would be fun.

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:07:34 PM UTC-4, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> In light of Jeremy not being able to host the TiddlyWki meetup in Oxford 
> this summer, I'm willing to host / find venue / etc. in the US, and 
> possibly use SUNY resources as host. I would be happy to attend a 
> conference / meetUp (either virtual or FTF) where folks can share their 
> TiddlyWiki work, and talk about different ideas, and it fits well with my 
> goals for DesignWrite Studio.
>
>
> Three offers of venues
>
> <1> Utica, NY or Albany, NY (easy for me to set up venue). Both are 
> several hours drive / train from New York, or fly to either Albany or 
> Syracuse.
>
> <2> New York City -- I'll have to hunt for a venue, but think I've got one 
> to use, will need a bit of time.
>
> <3> Virtual Conference / presentations, which I could host / set up / etc. 
> I can use SUNY resources for hosting, serving video, etc.
>
> If there are 5+ positive responses here in the next few days to any of 
> these ideas, I'll move it forward. , and set up a s
>
> I'm thinking late June.
>
> //steve.
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

2018-05-10 Thread Steven Schneider
I've started a new thread concerning a possible MeetUp in US in June 2018:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/UElvCSBhC-s

//steve.



On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:15:14 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Jeremy et al...
>
> I only wish I could make it (still 1% Possible) from here in Sydney. I 
> would be lucky to get a round trip for $1,200 AUD and I would need to be 
> billeted at someones house to avoid hotel expenses.
>
> However I would consider either a Skype or contributing to the material or 
> agendas to be considered. 
>
> If the truth be known I am about to dump something on the community I may 
> very well need to argue and defend (mums the word)
>
> I do understand where Dragon is coming from, but I would suggest he go 
> with a target in mind and obtain consensus and feedback, he could make what 
> he thinks should happen actually occur. Even if it is in a single area.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki MeetUp in US -- June 2018?

2018-05-10 Thread Steven Schneider
In light of Jeremy not being able to host the TiddlyWki meetup in Oxford 
this summer, I'm willing to host / find venue / etc. in the US, and 
possibly use SUNY resources as host. I would be happy to attend a 
conference / meetUp (either virtual or FTF) where folks can share their 
TiddlyWiki work, and talk about different ideas, and it fits well with my 
goals for DesignWrite Studio.


Three offers of venues

<1> Utica, NY or Albany, NY (easy for me to set up venue). Both are several 
hours drive / train from New York, or fly to either Albany or Syracuse.

<2> New York City -- I'll have to hunt for a venue, but think I've got one 
to use, will need a bit of time.

<3> Virtual Conference / presentations, which I could host / set up / etc. 
I can use SUNY resources for hosting, serving video, etc.

If there are 5+ positive responses here in the next few days to any of 
these ideas, I'll move it forward. , and set up a s

I'm thinking late June.

//steve.




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[tw5] Is it possible to export or convert my TiddlyWiki wiki to another Wiki such as MediaWiki etc

2018-05-10 Thread a . p . wood
Is that possible to do in bulk or is my data stuck in TW?

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mat
> I agree that would make sense - eventually.
> 
> At the moment I want to experiment with the format for this though. For 
> example, I have a (vague!) idea about a step-by-step guide/wizard that asks 
> "Do you have access to a public server - Y/N?" , "Do you want to access your 
> TW from multiple computers (owned by you)?" etc. Actually, the specific 
> questions will be formulated much depending on what the actual platforms do 
> feature and enable.

Yes, that’s a really interesting idea. I was thinking along similar lines when 
I did the new turbo-charged GettingStarted tiddler, but of course never got 
very far).

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Plus, I expect it to be some work to actually gather the data for the 
> different alternatives because I need to ask around.
> 
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Mat
Thanks everyone. Yeah, "platforms" might be the term!

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Might this list be starting to get rather similar to the information found 
> in GettingStarted? Perhaps best to extend and improve what we’ve got, 
> rather than making something new.
>

I agree that would make sense - eventually.

At the moment I want to experiment with the format for this though. For 
example, I have a (vague!) idea about a step-by-step guide/wizard that asks 
"Do you have access to a public server - Y/N?" , "Do you want to access 
your TW from multiple computers (owned by you)?" etc. Actually, the 
specific questions will be formulated much depending on what the actual 
platforms do feature and enable.

Plus, I expect it to be some work to actually gather the data for the 
different alternatives because I need to ask around.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Is the Entire Wiki in Browser Memory With node.js?

2018-05-10 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Are you using lazy loading? If not, my understanding is that everything 
gets loaded into memory just like with a file-based TW. With lazy loading 
on, the tiddlers get loaded, but not their text contents.

See https://tiddlywiki.com/#LazyLoading

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On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 7:57:19 AM UTC-7, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> If I'm using the node.js edition of Tiddlywiki, it is storing the tiddlers 
> in individual files on the server's file system. Is it loading only the 
> open tiddlers into the browser, or is it loading every tiddler in the wiki 
> into the browser?
>
> i.e. If I have a 1,000 tiddler wiki served by node.js and I open only one 
> tiddler with it, do I have 1 tiddler in browser memory or 1,000?
>
> Thanks,
> -kevin
>

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[tw5] Is the Entire Wiki in Browser Memory With node.js?

2018-05-10 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter
If I'm using the node.js edition of Tiddlywiki, it is storing the tiddlers 
in individual files on the server's file system. Is it loading only the 
open tiddlers into the browser, or is it loading every tiddler in the wiki 
into the browser?

i.e. If I have a 1,000 tiddler wiki served by node.js and I open only one 
tiddler with it, do I have 1 tiddler in browser memory or 1,000?

Thanks,
-kevin

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[tw5] Re: datauri for background image of tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread Mohammad
Thank you Birthe!
Yes that was the reason! I changed the type to text/vnd.tiddlywiki and it 
works now!

Just a question! I have a tiddler with mypic.jpg around 380 kB and then an 
Stylesheet tiddler with datauri
it should also occupy the same size! So, is it any other way to save the 
space and minimize the required size?

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 12:08:45 PM UTC+4:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
> Testing it I got a tiddler full of cats ;-). Did you set a type in your 
> stylesheet tiddler? If you did that might be the reason.
>
> Birthe
>
> torsdag den 10. maj 2018 kl. 06.01.51 UTC+2 skrev Mohammad:
>>
>> I am using the following CSS in a tiddler tagged with "$:/tags/Stylesheet"
>>
>> [data-tags*="slide"]  {
>> background: url(<>);
>> }
>>
>>
>>  but seems the datauri does not work!
>>
>> What is the problem here?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

2018-05-10 Thread Thomas Elmiger
Dear Vytas,

You have a talent to ask the right questions :)

Let me share an interesting article first, about how to get better at
learning:

https://hbr.org/2018/05/learning-is-a-learned-behavior-heres-how-to-get-
better-at-it

It describes many aspects of learning I learned (and maintain) through TW.
Which are:
* frame a problem or devide it in smaller pieces
* describe a task/the solution
* know, if you can solve it autonomously, using the docs/web or with help
from others
* know, where to look things up, find solutions fast
* know, when to take a break
* know, that the best ideas often come during the break (while jogging in
my case)
* realize, when something is good enough
* recognize the value of feedback from others
* know, when to say no
* write understandable documentation
* practice English
* ...

Now, to answer your questions:

'Vytas' via TiddlyWiki  schrieb am Mi. 9. Mai
2018 um 19:40:

>
>- What is your favourite application of rpn?
>
> I think I developed rpn for the Reminders for ToDoNow
,
where I have to calculate the difference from now to a due date (minus a
configurable interval for warnings before the due date is reached).
And this is still the feature I (and my wife and probably other users of
ToDoNow) use almost daily.

>
>- *"School of logical thinking. From idea to application I can
>gradually develop thoughts and tools that matter to me. That makes me a
>better thinker, I think."* Could you elaborate on this, maybe giving
>an example?
>
> To illustrate the points I made above I will use my masterpiece ToDoNow
. It was developed over a long time, starting
from the original TW example for task management
 and integrating it
with my Listreveal
plugin

that adds nice functions to lists. Design thinking is popular today and in
agile projects you always have a working product after a limited period of
time. I tried to stick to those ideas and developed button after button,
function after function, always adding to the software I used daily.
Search, tag-filter, priorities, a deadline, sorted listings, a work report
… After adding substantial value I occasionally released a new version and
got invaluable feedback from other real users. Requests from other users
led to additions like the archive or user filters. Birthe contributed a
danish translation. Other users asked for further developments to get a
real GSD software – that was the point where I had to say no. And I had to
say no on other occasions to stick to the philosophy I had developed for
myself, which is that I am most productive when I focus on only one single
task. (The one in the Now-section of ToDoNow.)
Developing new stuff without a clear use case like my recent card experiment
 can lead to improvements of older
functionality, because I discover new things TW can do or I can do with TW.
This was the case with the context tagging
 functionality of
Listreveal, that received an update recently, so new tags can be added too.
And as stated above: some of the best ideas came to my mind, while I was
running through the woods.

>
>- Which tools do you use the most?
>
> *Notetaking:* I tend to prepare most content for other software in TW,
because it is so easy to write well structured content (titles, subtitles,
lists) in wikitext. Then you can copy clean and valid HTML-formatted text
to office software, CRM, a blog, ... the most invaluable tool to assist
with that is the EditorCounter

that counts characters and saves my single page wiki in the background
after every 200 characters. Also nice if your deliverable is a text of e.g.
2000 characters. (By the way, I could not have done this without studying
code from Jed first.) The other plugin I always install immediately in new
wikis brings the edit toolbar buttons to save or cancel and close

– again something I realized many people were missing, so I developed and
published it.
In all my main wikis I use *ToDoNow* to organize and plan some personal
tasks. I speculated with Josiah about it’s user base several times, there
are about 30 people we personnally know as users – so it might be safe to
say it could be one of the more popular TW-based applications.

It would be great to learn from your experience!
>

I am learning from it myself again writing these lines :)
Thomas

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Focused Solution Areas - Please contribute

2018-05-10 Thread David Gifford
Feel free to swipe stuff from the toolmap, that has a number of those 
items. Blessings

Dave

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 10:07:06 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am building something to curate and present *TiddlyWiki solutions* and 
> the relevant components or techniques. 
>
> This is with the View to presenting Focused Content such that there are 
> different ways for people to discover TiddlyWiki without scaring them off 
> with TiddlyWikis true diversity of posiblities
>
> Please contribute general areas in which solutions can be found. Lets try 
> not to get too detailed just list items that are popular or somewhat 
> generic.
>
> There Is my list so far.
>
>
>- Calendaring
>- Brainstorming
>- Dashboards
>- Desktop Applications
>- Game Campaigns
>- Journals and Diaries
>- Mapping
>- Mobile Applications
>- Personal Database
>- Personal Notebooks
>- Personal Productivity
>- Presentations
>- Projects
>- Web Site Hosting
>
> I am working on a separate list and will post soon for Designers. The 
> above are purely the end use type of solutions that can be achieved with 
> TiddlyuWiki 
>
> Thanks in Advance for your Contribution.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Server-based TW vs. File-system based TW. But right away you have to 
distinguish between personal and impersonal servers ... so I'm not sure 
that it pays to make the distinction 

.

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> I hope to make a public TW for you guys that, in some matrix, lists the 
> differences between... ehm... "TW manifestations" that deals with serving 
> TWs e.g
>
> Jeds Multi-access Bob thingy
> Danielos NoteSelf
> Arlens TW-Server
> TiddlySpot
> TW in the Sky
>
> ...and apropos "TW manifestations" - that is actually the first problem: 
> What the heck is it really the common factor here? Can they all be called 
> TW servers? I need a decent collective name for it that delimits what the 
> whole display is about.
>
> The idea is something along these lines 
>  so it will be 
> easier to decide what it is one actually needs or even understand what is 
> possible at all. As you can tell, I'm really confused myself. So;
>
> 1) what would be a good collective/informative name for all these thingies?
> 2) which more than the ones mentioned should be included?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Lost Admin
Like Jed, I have no idea what the overall name would be. I'm not sure 
Server is the right term. Some of the ways we interact with TiddlyWiki 
aren't really servers, some are completely serverless (as I understand 
"server") and others are more infrastructure.

You should probably include:

   - store.php - a traditional web server application
   - Tiddlywiki Desktop - application
   - WebDav on ISS, Apache, or NginX (all of which work with a caveat) - a 
   traditional server.
   - Ye Olde Browser Save - it still works even if you have to put the file 
   in your Downloads folder.

The back end to Note Self (if you try to implement it yourself) is more of 
a Web Service than a traditional server.


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[tw5] Re: Recurring selective sync between a private and a public wiki

2018-05-10 Thread Lost Admin
Short answer, not that I'm aware of but there are a number of ways to use 
TiddlyWiki and host it. I've only tried 3 of them.

You might be able to use Note Self (https://noteself.github.io/) and set-up 
your own Couchdb server. You would need to do some customization on Couchdb 
to create the public view. Note Self is a variation of TiddlyWiki that 
stores the data in a noSQL database (CouchDB) and synchronizes it with a 
local in-browser database (PouchDB). You can work offline (after you sync) 
and then sync back to CouchDB when you are back online.

I don't know how you set-up a public view that only shows a subset of the 
tiddlers but since CouchDB uses Javascript for server-side actions and JSON 
as the internal storage format, it should be possible. You would need to be 
a good programmer, I imagine. My own skills are way to rusty to pull this 
sort of thing off.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 3:36:55 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>
> Ah. And here are further problems: I'd like to use the private version 
> offline. The best case scenario would be that I would have a hosted private 
> wiki which is mirrored offline and a hosted public version. That's what I 
> like about ikiwiki decentralized setups in many different configurations 
> are possible: https://ikiwiki.info/tips/distributed_wikis/
>
> Is there a way to keep a hosted and a local version of a wiki in sync?
>
> Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2018 20:11:13 UTC+2 schrieb Lost Admin:
>>
>> I *think* it might be possible if you host the private wiki instance on a 
>> node.js version of tiddlywiki and wrote a few custom node scripts (and 
>> deployment scripts) to generate the public version and then push it out to 
>> the public server.
>>
>> I do something similar without all the scripting but the public wiki is 
>> it's own instance of TiddlyWiki in a sub directory of the private one. More 
>> specifically, my publicly accessible server (a hosted VM) runs a web server 
>> with 2 Apache Virtual servers. 
>>
>> The Apache virtual server for the private access runs on HTTPS and 
>> requires authentication. It runs the Apache WebDAV module. There is a 
>> sub-folder on it that could be called "public".
>>
>> The second Apache virtual server is the public access server. It's 
>> document root is the public folder of the private instance. I use separate 
>> sub-domains, one for each virtual server.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to have a private wiki for all of my tiddlers and a public 
>>> (hosted) instance of that wiki that only includes certain tiddlers (maybe 
>>> only those that are tagged "public") or something like that. The public 
>>> wiki should always only include those tiddlers that are supposed to be 
>>> public. So if I remove the "public" tag, they should be removed from the 
>>> public instance. Is this somehow possible?
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mat

> On 10 May 2018, at 11:52, Mat  wrote:
> 
> ...and apropos "TW manifestations" - that is actually the first problem: What 
> the heck is it really the common factor here? Can they all be called TW 
> servers? I need a decent collective name for it that delimits what the whole 
> display is about.

The core docs call them “platforms”; it’s a top-level item in the TOC. (Note 
that the docs in GettingStarted also refer to iOS vs. Windows vs. Mac as 
“platforms”, so things are not totally consistent).

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Jed Carty
I have no idea what the overall name would be, but I think that including a 
comparison with the single file version and the normal nodejs server 
version would be helpful also. The most common thing I have seen people 
comment on about the node-based wikis is that the local file system isn't 
available in the same way as with the single html file version which can be 
important.

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[tw5] TiddlyPie in the sky?

2018-05-10 Thread Mat
I hope to make a public TW for you guys that, in some matrix, lists the 
differences between... ehm... "TW manifestations" that deals with serving 
TWs e.g

Jeds Multi-access Bob thingy
Danielos NoteSelf
Arlens TW-Server
TiddlySpot
TW in the Sky

...and apropos "TW manifestations" - that is actually the first problem: 
What the heck is it really the common factor here? Can they all be called 
TW servers? I need a decent collective name for it that delimits what the 
whole display is about.

The idea is something along these lines 
 so it will be 
easier to decide what it is one actually needs or even understand what is 
possible at all. As you can tell, I'm really confused myself. So;

1) what would be a good collective/informative name for all these thingies?
2) which more than the ones mentioned should be included?

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I’ve posted a fix here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/b95aa6ec6ad51672e9ed26ab94d7fe799698782c
 


Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 10 May 2018, at 09:34, PMario  wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:11:29 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
> @BTC ... You may create your PR based on Jeremy's latest master :)
> So we can fix both issues
> 
> Now I understand, there's the issue with the trailing whitespace and the 
> overwriting-problem
> I'll wait a minute in case that someone is faster than me again ;) 
> 
> hih
> i, 
> OK. I'll create a PR, that combines all the proposals :) and we may clean the 
> 3 $set-widgets and have 1 $vars instead. 
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[tw5] Re: if then else for different designs in makro

2018-05-10 Thread Jed Carty
This is one structure that would work:


\define solution(headlinename)
<$list filter='[[$headlinename$]prefix[attention]]'>

Your headline is <>

<$list filter='[[$headlinename$]prefix[info]]'>

Your headline is <>


\end

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[tw5] if then else for different designs in makro

2018-05-10 Thread Gerald Weis
Hi friends,

im searchin fo a solution for this problem



Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread PMario
On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:11:29 AM UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @BTC ... You may create your PR based on Jeremy's latest master :)
>> So we can fix both issues
>>
>
> Now I understand, there's the issue with the trailing whitespace and the 
> overwriting-problem
> I'll wait a minute in case that someone is faster than me again ;) 
>

hih
i, 
OK. I'll create a PR, that combines all the proposals :) and we may clean 
the 3 $set-widgets and have 1 $vars instead. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread PMario
On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:09:08 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> We can’t use action-createtiddler for this. The tm-new-journal message is 
> specifically designed to be the means by which the new journal is created, 
> and has different behaviour. What problem are you trying to fix with it?
>


Let's say a journal tiddler exists. 
If a "new journal text" is defined in the $:/ControlPanel and 
you create a new journal with the button ... it will overwrite the existing 
journal text --> that's a big problem, since it destroys existing content. 

action-createtiddler can fix this. .. It creates a new name if a journal 
already exists. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread BurningTreeC

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> @BTC ... You may create your PR based on Jeremy's latest master :)
> So we can fix both issues
>

Now I understand, there's the issue with the trailing whitespace and the 
overwriting-problem
I'll wait a minute in case that someone is faster than me again ;) 

>
> -m
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston
We can’t use action-createtiddler for this. The tm-new-journal message is 
specifically designed to be the means by which the new journal is created, and 
has different behaviour. What problem are you trying to fix with it?

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 10 May 2018, at 09:07, PMario  wrote:
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> So we can fix both issues
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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread PMario
@BTC ... You may create your PR based on Jeremy's latest master :)
So we can fix both issues

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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mario
> 
> I think, action-createtiddler is the right way to go. .. Since there are 
> actually 2 problems. .. If the journal tiddler already exists, it will be 
> overwritten, if the name is the same. ... 

Have you tried the fix I commited? I think it fixes the overwriting problem.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread PMario
Hi Jeremy, 

I think, action-createtiddler is the right way to go. .. Since there are 
actually 2 problems. .. If the journal tiddler already exists, it will be 
overwritten, if the name is the same. ... 

-m

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Re: [tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Apologies, I’m only just catching up with this thread, but I’ve now pushed an 
alternate solution that hopefully fixes the problem with the extraneous space:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e6466b2c320cdab46a74aa343b6c56c5783e3f94
 


Let me know how you get on,

Best wishes

Jeremy


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> making a PR right now - using the action-createtiddler instead of the 
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[tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread BurningTreeC
@pmario 

making a PR right now - using the action-createtiddler instead of the 
tm-new-tiddler, which creates unique titles if the journal already exists

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[tw5] Re: datauri for background image of tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread Birthe C
Hi Mohammad,
Testing it I got a tiddler full of cats ;-). Did you set a type in your 
stylesheet tiddler? If you did that might be the reason.

Birthe

torsdag den 10. maj 2018 kl. 06.01.51 UTC+2 skrev Mohammad:
>
> I am using the following CSS in a tiddler tagged with "$:/tags/Stylesheet"
>
> [data-tags*="slide"]  {
> background: url(<>);
> }
>
>
>  but seems the datauri does not work!
>
> What is the problem here?
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[tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread PMario
We probably need to rewrite the NewJournal buttons, so that they create new 
titles, if the $:/config/NewJournal/Text is existing or the tiddler is 
already existing. ... 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-10 Thread PMario

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:48:36 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
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>
> *So the bug that needs fixing is to remove the unwanted space from the end 
> of the New Journal Tiddler name.*
>
>
>- The extra space is not found in $:/config/NewJournal/Text 
>- It occurs in New Journal and New Journal Here
>- The fault is in the buttons
>   - $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal
>   - $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here
>   
> Edit both buttons and look for the line
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=< """$(journalTitleTemplate)$ 
> """>>
>  
>


Nope! ... It will introduce a new bug. ... as I replied at the github 
issue. ... _and_ It won't fix the "new-text" for journal issue, because 
that's a different problem. 

Do not remove the space! It will break your new-journal-button, if the 
title template in the ControlPanel contains a double-quote at the end. eg: 
test"   

-mario


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