Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Jean-Pierre Rivière]

Mee too. I've done the transition. The interface is much akin to the 
present groups than that of common forums, if only silgthly, but 
decisively. Plus the wiki syntax is (mostly?) kept, which is very nice!

Le mardi 31 août 2021 à 11:00:45 UTC+2, Werner a écrit :

> Same here, also notoriously late to the show. Also just created an account 
> on talk.tiddlywiki.org. Can only get better than GG.
>
> Kind regards
> Werner
>
> j.te...@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. August 2021 um 22:58:07 UTC+2:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> As always, late to the party. Seems lots has happened while I was away.
>> Good to hear an alternative to Google Groups in underway.
>>
>> Just signed up in: talk.tiddlywiki.org
>>
>> Stay safe, stay healthy everyone.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Julio
>>
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here 
>>> and keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that 
>>> TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with 
>>> different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it 
>>> is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small 
>>> or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs 
>>> are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to 
>>> the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes.
>>>
>>> If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average 
>>> Joes.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Tony
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tony,

 I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may 
 have sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion 
 are now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to 
 interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to 
 keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even 
 peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time 
 to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind 
 this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and 
 avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. 

 Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind 
 this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want 
 you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! 

 So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when 
 all this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle 
 of 
 a group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would 
 fulfill 
 a very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle 
 extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy 
 to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little 
 use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on 
 very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the 
 fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with 
 TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning 
 management server on site which I had already established, allowing 
 the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and 
 apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did 
 present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as 
 well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and 
 brain 
 tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let 
 anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, 
 requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few 
 who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in 
 a 
 fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I 
 had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a 
 professional musician for decades before teaching full time). 
 Administering 
 a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to 
 be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is 
 very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding 
 this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on 
 full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had 
 an 
 awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to 
 any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that 
 would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

['Werner' via TiddlyWiki]

Same here, also notoriously late to the show. Also just created an account 
on talk.tiddlywiki.org. Can only get better than GG.

Kind regards
Werner

j.te...@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. August 2021 um 22:58:07 UTC+2:

> Hello all,
>
> As always, late to the party. Seems lots has happened while I was away.
> Good to hear an alternative to Google Groups in underway.
>
> Just signed up in: talk.tiddlywiki.org
>
> Stay safe, stay healthy everyone.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julio
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here 
>> and keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that 
>> TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with 
>> different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it 
>> is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small 
>> or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs 
>> are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to 
>> the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes.
>>
>> If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average 
>> Joes.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Tony
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may 
>>> have sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion 
>>> are now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to 
>>> interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to 
>>> keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even 
>>> peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time 
>>> to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind 
>>> this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and 
>>> avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. 
>>>
>>> Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind 
>>> this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want 
>>> you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! 
>>>
>>> So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when 
>>> all this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of 
>>> a group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill 
>>> a very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle 
>>> extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy 
>>> to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little 
>>> use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on 
>>> very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the 
>>> fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with 
>>> TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning 
>>> management server on site which I had already established, allowing 
>>> the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and 
>>> apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did 
>>> present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as 
>>> well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain 
>>> tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let 
>>> anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, 
>>> requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few 
>>> who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a 
>>> fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I 
>>> had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a 
>>> professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering 
>>> a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to 
>>> be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is 
>>> very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding 
>>> this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on 
>>> full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an 
>>> awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to 
>>> any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that 
>>> would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever 
>>> it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to 
>>> see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys 
>>> definitely know what's going on now better than I do.
>>>
>>> I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally 
>>> the full threads within them when I think there might be something I need 
>>> to know or I can use. I 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[jtech108]

Hello all,

As always, late to the party. Seems lots has happened while I was away.
Good to hear an alternative to Google Groups in underway.

Just signed up in: talk.tiddlywiki.org

Stay safe, stay healthy everyone.

Regards,

Julio

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Ed,
>
> It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here and 
> keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that 
> TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with 
> different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it 
> is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small 
> or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs 
> are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to 
> the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes.
>
> If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average 
> Joes.
>
> Best wishes
> Tony
>  
>
>
> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may 
>> have sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion 
>> are now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to 
>> interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to 
>> keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even 
>> peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time 
>> to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind 
>> this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and 
>> avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. 
>>
>> Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind 
>> this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want 
>> you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! 
>>
>> So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when all 
>> this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of a 
>> group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill a 
>> very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle 
>> extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy 
>> to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little 
>> use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on 
>> very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the 
>> fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with 
>> TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning 
>> management server on site which I had already established, allowing 
>> the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and 
>> apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did 
>> present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as 
>> well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain 
>> tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let 
>> anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, 
>> requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few 
>> who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a 
>> fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I 
>> had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a 
>> professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering 
>> a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to 
>> be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is 
>> very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding 
>> this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on 
>> full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an 
>> awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to 
>> any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that 
>> would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever 
>> it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to 
>> see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys 
>> definitely know what's going on now better than I do.
>>
>> I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally 
>> the full threads within them when I think there might be something I need 
>> to know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my 
>> only posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just 
>> about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and 
>> my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen 
>> and I sure others with similar 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

Ed,

It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here and 
keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that 
TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with 
different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it 
is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small 
or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs 
are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to 
the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes.

If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average 
Joes.

Best wishes
Tony
 


On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may have 
> sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion are 
> now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to 
> interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to 
> keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even 
> peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time 
> to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind 
> this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and 
> avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. 
>
> Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind 
> this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want 
> you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! 
>
> So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when all 
> this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of a 
> group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill a 
> very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle 
> extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy 
> to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little 
> use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on 
> very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the 
> fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with 
> TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning 
> management server on site which I had already established, allowing 
> the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and 
> apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did 
> present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as 
> well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain 
> tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let 
> anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, 
> requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few 
> who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a 
> fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I 
> had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a 
> professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering 
> a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to 
> be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is 
> very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding 
> this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on 
> full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an 
> awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to 
> any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that 
> would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever 
> it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to 
> see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys 
> definitely know what's going on now better than I do.
>
> I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally the 
> full threads within them when I think there might be something I need to 
> know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my only 
> posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just 
> about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and 
> my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen 
> and I sure others with similar problems agree would be to see anything 
> hinder TW5 development and beyond. Jermey is the master of making the 
> complicated simple (seriously Jeremy you would make a great teacher if you 
> were not such an awesome developer!) so far all releases have been 
> pretty self explanatory as far as basic functionality goes anyway 
> especially with his release notes and the help he and 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Ed Dixon]

Hi Tony,

I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may have
sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion are
now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to
interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to
keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even
peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time
to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind
this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and
avoiding addons as much as possible anyway.

Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind this.
I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want you in
my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies!

So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when all
this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of a
group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill a
very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle
extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy
to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little
use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on
very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the
fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with
TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning
management server on site which I had already established, allowing
the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and
apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did
present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as
well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain
tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let
anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right,
requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few
who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a
fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I
had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a
professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering
a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to
be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is
very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding
this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on
full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an
awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to
any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that
would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever
it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to
see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys
definitely know what's going on now better than I do.

I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally the
full threads within them when I think there might be something I need to
know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my only
posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just
about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and
my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen
and I sure others with similar problems agree would be to see anything
hinder TW5 development and beyond. Jermey is the master of making the
complicated simple (seriously Jeremy you would make a great teacher if you
were not such an awesome developer!) so far all releases have been
pretty self explanatory as far as basic functionality goes anyway
especially with his release notes and the help he and everyone here or
later there in discourse provides. So until I really need to communicate I
will probably just lurk there as I have here and search threads on both to
find answers to any questions I may have. Almost always anything I might
have a question about has already been asked and answered anyway. You guys
are awesome and I want you to know that despite what I can or can not do I
am 100% behind all of you!

Thanks,

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:17 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Birthe/Strike,
>
> I hope Ed did not think "I thought he was complaining". I think my
> argument points out the new platform will be valuable to everyone, and is
> important, despite the pain of change. In fact it is really important Ed
> and Charlie etc.. understand I will help in any way I can.
>
> Some of these improvements will help reduce cognitive load once we have
> them working, like being able to have a Wiki Post that we can all edit
> which ultimately 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

Jeremy,

I understand the value in making GG read only however we have not done this 
with the GG Dev forum and it has not caused too many issues, yes the users 
are more involved and limited compared to the greater group.

However, I would like to suggest *only making it read only in the long run 
if necessary*, because in part; I discovered the other day, some sites, 
editions or macro plugin developers use URLs that reference a GG Discussion 
as the way to contact them, if there is a bug or issue with their published 
content. 

If we make the forum read only people will no longer be able to contact 
them, perhaps unless we provide guidance so they can message the author of 
the post or a replier on the read only forum. Of course authors could add a 
reply now advising users of a new discussion location in discourse but may 
not have the opportunity to do so before it goes read only.

Regards
Tones
On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 02:51:43 UTC+10 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

>
> Hi Ed
>
> Apologies, I'm taking a short holiday break, but wanted to jump in to 
> reassure you (and others) of a few points:
>
> a) talk.tiddlywiki.org is an experiment for the moment, but my hope is 
> that we will migrate all of our Google Groups to the new service (and set 
> the old groups to "read-only" so that they will continue to be available as 
> an archive)
>
> b) the idea of migrating from Google Groups has been floating around for 
> many years, but I've always been very cautious about. A great friend of 
> TiddlyWiki called Boris Mann kindly offered to help get us set up on the 
> new platform, an offer which was meaningful because he already runs several 
> other instances of Discourse
>
> c) It has to be an experiment because we want to bring everyone with us to 
> the new platform. There's been a lot of great feedback about what people 
> like about the new forum, and what they struggle with. The volunteers are 
> working hard to tweak the system to suit everyone
>
> d) My own experience is that Discourse is superior to Google Groups in 
> almost every way, but I don't underestimate the friction of making the 
> change
>
> Lastly, thank you for sharing your situation with us. Your perspective is 
> inspiring, and there's a lot for us to learn about inclusivity. In the 
> software development industry a certain amount of lip service is paid to 
> accommodating users with visual, auditory or motor difficulties, but very 
> little to cognitive impairment. I suffered from some of it when my long 
> COVID was at its worst, which certainly left me thinking that these 
> considerations would only increase in importance.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC+1 barro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Someone say herding cats?  Let me testify, just like with walking into 
>> Mordor, you don't just herd cats.  You lead them.  And if they don't feel 
>> like following, it probably won't be happening...
>>
>> Yes, I know I'm no help...
>>
>> Will Discourse threads be indexed by Google in general?  I'm sure a few 
>> people (myself included) depend on the ease of being able to find TW info 
>> from this group (as well as TW official static pages) on normal Google web 
>> search results (I believe TW Reddit content also will come up in web 
>> searches)
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: My Brain.jpg]
>>>
>>> Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep 
>>> this photo on my phone when I run into situations where I think I may need 
>>> to explain why (they do this yearly and there has been no change in the 3/4 
>>> inch diameter hole in a very big head LOL). I am not looking for pity but 
>>> hoping to help make your point. We are all using TiddlyWiki with our own 
>>> understanding and skills. You are also absolutely right, the condensed 
>>> updates are as much or more than I can handle personally as is (you guys 
>>> are way too busy!) LOL. I keep up with these just to make sure what few 
>>> plugins I use are not known or expected to break as TW evolves. Also, I 
>>> think it is important that Jeremy has a say in which he wants to use. 
>>> Realizing of course the real discussion is happening in GIT but all of that 
>>> is way over my head now anyway. Still his announcements about new features 
>>> and explanations on how to use those when questions come up here as well as 
>>> the base TiddlyWiki without addons or plugins (or at least as minimal a set 
>>> as possible) have been extremely helpful to me. So where he goes I need to 
>>> go because he knows when he adds new features he needs to make the 
>>> explanations and use of them as intuitive and user friendly (there's an old 
>>> term!) as possible and most likely with those explanations in mind. 
>>> TiddlyWiki itself is the best example that I can think of due to its 
>>> simplicity in a way. It has amazing capabilities but an ease of use 
>>> 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

Birthe/Strike,

I hope Ed did not think "I thought he was complaining". I think my argument 
points out the new platform will be valuable to everyone, and is important, 
despite the pain of change. In fact it is really important Ed and Charlie 
etc.. understand I will help in any way I can.

Some of these improvements will help reduce cognitive load once we have 
them working, like being able to have a Wiki Post that we can all edit 
which ultimately can summarise a thread.

Also I would hope the overriding message is "as a community we can work 
with our diverse community" to support and enable them which I can really 
see is necessary when moving to a fully featured solution. Basically unlike 
many other communities members can get personal one on one support. We have 
done some in the past, and yes we can do so more, but the community seems 
dedicated to do so.

Still I welcome your comments.

On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 13:20:39 UTC+10 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tony,
> Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group 
> and is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive 
> email summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to enjoy 
> the part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning 
> for some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary 
> from this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?"
>
> Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to 
> login and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help 
> from moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - 
> you now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all 
> of your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level.
>
> As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare for 
> questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is large 
> and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to be 
> able to do so.  If questions like this is not met with answers - those 
> users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost 
> yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often 
> happening while others loose out.
>
> We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using 
> Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special needs 
> and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of 
> them.
>
> I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it clear - 
> can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails summary. Can 
> you use the group fully if your only way of being able is using a screen 
> reader?
>
> Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens, 
> moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting 
> layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for 
> those - if possible.
>
> If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the new 
> group - save time and explain why.
>
> Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and try 
> to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion.  Plenty of telling it 
> is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have read that by now.
>
> And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this group 
> read only - because afterwards - you will never know.
>
> Who *IS* in the Target group for the new group? And then list the 
> promoting  points - ALL of them. Show that list clearly in both groups.
>
> Please - I did not in anyway want to offend anyone - but we are not all 
> the same.
>  
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:46:44 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have good 
>> reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even reply on 
>> a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a range of 
>> problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every day.
>>
>> We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org puts 
>> control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not "this 
>> move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from the 
>> community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is 
>> also asking too much.
>>
>> I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to 
>> help, and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than 
>> GG. So I am confident we can restore the functionality you want.
>>
>> Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you 
>> transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately change 
>> our minds because of your experience.
>>
>> If you did not see yet, signing up at  talk.tiddlywiki.org with your 
>> 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Charlie Veniot]

All of that is totally valid and well said, but do keep in mind:

When something is too complex for an individual with a cognitive disability 
(including Edward, including me, including whoever else), the complexity of 
an application and/or the interface, that doesn't really get resolved by 
more documentation.

More documentation, in itself, becomes a cognitive barrier.

The ideal is an interface that is easy to understand without any 
documentation.  An interface that is by default at its simplest out of the 
gate, but easily/intuitively allows more complexity via easily found 
options.  Complexity, by design and by default, is best as an opt-in 
feature, not an opt-out feature.

"Opt-in" is easy for those who are not dealing with a cognitive disability, 
and might be possibly eased into for those with a cognitive disability.

"Opt-out" can be challenging for those with a cognitive disability because 
everything is overwhelming by default. (Cognitive overload, 
over-stimulating, causing immediate deer-in-the-headlights or 
fight-or-flight-reaction.)

Well, I can wish on the one hand and poop in the other, and I know which 
hand will get filled first ... (Yeah, I love "Grumpy Old Men" references.  
Grandpa Gustafson!)

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 3:32:52 PM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Jeremy
>
> Very GOOD reply. Very frank, clear, to the point. You really are a very, 
> very good BDFL 
> .
>
> Just FYI, regarding moving ... I agree with all your points. Especially 
> (b) where the wanting to move OFF GG has come up seriously several times in 
> the last few years, and which this initiative may solve. And (c) where it 
> is IMPORTANT *we don't rush the process of transfer* (IF any); it being 
> vital to ensure that Discourse will serve ALL of us well into the future. 
> Addressing Ed's case is highly pertinent to achieving that IMO .
>
> Regarding (d), the facilities Discourse offers, its looks superior to GG. 
> My concern is it is quite complex (rich) and I want to be sure a newbie 
> will be able to cope in a way they can get answers they need. 
> I suspect WE may need to provide more documentation to make this side of 
> it easier. 
>
> Just my thoughts at the moment
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 18:51:43 UTC+2 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Ed
>>
>> Apologies, I'm taking a short holiday break, but wanted to jump in to 
>> reassure you (and others) of a few points:
>>
>> a) talk.tiddlywiki.org is an experiment for the moment, but my hope is 
>> that we will migrate all of our Google Groups to the new service (and set 
>> the old groups to "read-only" so that they will continue to be available as 
>> an archive)
>>
>> b) the idea of migrating from Google Groups has been floating around for 
>> many years, but I've always been very cautious about. A great friend of 
>> TiddlyWiki called Boris Mann kindly offered to help get us set up on the 
>> new platform, an offer which was meaningful because he already runs several 
>> other instances of Discourse
>>
>> c) It has to be an experiment because we want to bring everyone with us 
>> to the new platform. There's been a lot of great feedback about what people 
>> like about the new forum, and what they struggle with. The volunteers are 
>> working hard to tweak the system to suit everyone
>>
>> d) My own experience is that Discourse is superior to Google Groups in 
>> almost every way, but I don't underestimate the friction of making the 
>> change
>>
>> Lastly, thank you for sharing your situation with us. Your perspective is 
>> inspiring, and there's a lot for us to learn about inclusivity. In the 
>> software development industry a certain amount of lip service is paid to 
>> accommodating users with visual, auditory or motor difficulties, but very 
>> little to cognitive impairment. I suffered from some of it when my long 
>> COVID was at its worst, which certainly left me thinking that these 
>> considerations would only increase in importance.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC+1 barro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Someone say herding cats?  Let me testify, just like with walking into 
>>> Mordor, you don't just herd cats.  You lead them.  And if they don't feel 
>>> like following, it probably won't be happening...
>>>
>>> Yes, I know I'm no help...
>>>
>>> Will Discourse threads be indexed by Google in general?  I'm sure a few 
>>> people (myself included) depend on the ease of being able to find TW info 
>>> from this group (as well as TW official static pages) on normal Google web 
>>> search results (I believe TW Reddit content also will come up in web 
>>> searches)
>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4 eddi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: My Brain.jpg]

 Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep 
 this photo on 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jeremy

Very GOOD reply. Very frank, clear, to the point. You really are a very, 
very good BDFL .

Just FYI, regarding moving ... I agree with all your points. Especially (b) 
where the wanting to move OFF GG has come up seriously several times in the 
last few years, and which this initiative may solve. And (c) where it is 
IMPORTANT *we don't rush the process of transfer* (IF any); it being vital 
to ensure that Discourse will serve ALL of us well into the future. 
Addressing Ed's case is highly pertinent to achieving that IMO .

Regarding (d), the facilities Discourse offers, its looks superior to GG. 
My concern is it is quite complex (rich) and I want to be sure a newbie 
will be able to cope in a way they can get answers they need. 
I suspect WE may need to provide more documentation to make this side of it 
easier. 

Just my thoughts at the moment

Best wishes
Josiah
On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 18:51:43 UTC+2 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi Ed
>
> Apologies, I'm taking a short holiday break, but wanted to jump in to 
> reassure you (and others) of a few points:
>
> a) talk.tiddlywiki.org is an experiment for the moment, but my hope is 
> that we will migrate all of our Google Groups to the new service (and set 
> the old groups to "read-only" so that they will continue to be available as 
> an archive)
>
> b) the idea of migrating from Google Groups has been floating around for 
> many years, but I've always been very cautious about. A great friend of 
> TiddlyWiki called Boris Mann kindly offered to help get us set up on the 
> new platform, an offer which was meaningful because he already runs several 
> other instances of Discourse
>
> c) It has to be an experiment because we want to bring everyone with us to 
> the new platform. There's been a lot of great feedback about what people 
> like about the new forum, and what they struggle with. The volunteers are 
> working hard to tweak the system to suit everyone
>
> d) My own experience is that Discourse is superior to Google Groups in 
> almost every way, but I don't underestimate the friction of making the 
> change
>
> Lastly, thank you for sharing your situation with us. Your perspective is 
> inspiring, and there's a lot for us to learn about inclusivity. In the 
> software development industry a certain amount of lip service is paid to 
> accommodating users with visual, auditory or motor difficulties, but very 
> little to cognitive impairment. I suffered from some of it when my long 
> COVID was at its worst, which certainly left me thinking that these 
> considerations would only increase in importance.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC+1 barro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Someone say herding cats?  Let me testify, just like with walking into 
>> Mordor, you don't just herd cats.  You lead them.  And if they don't feel 
>> like following, it probably won't be happening...
>>
>> Yes, I know I'm no help...
>>
>> Will Discourse threads be indexed by Google in general?  I'm sure a few 
>> people (myself included) depend on the ease of being able to find TW info 
>> from this group (as well as TW official static pages) on normal Google web 
>> search results (I believe TW Reddit content also will come up in web 
>> searches)
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: My Brain.jpg]
>>>
>>> Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep 
>>> this photo on my phone when I run into situations where I think I may need 
>>> to explain why (they do this yearly and there has been no change in the 3/4 
>>> inch diameter hole in a very big head LOL). I am not looking for pity but 
>>> hoping to help make your point. We are all using TiddlyWiki with our own 
>>> understanding and skills. You are also absolutely right, the condensed 
>>> updates are as much or more than I can handle personally as is (you guys 
>>> are way too busy!) LOL. I keep up with these just to make sure what few 
>>> plugins I use are not known or expected to break as TW evolves. Also, I 
>>> think it is important that Jeremy has a say in which he wants to use. 
>>> Realizing of course the real discussion is happening in GIT but all of that 
>>> is way over my head now anyway. Still his announcements about new features 
>>> and explanations on how to use those when questions come up here as well as 
>>> the base TiddlyWiki without addons or plugins (or at least as minimal a set 
>>> as possible) have been extremely helpful to me. So where he goes I need to 
>>> go because he knows when he adds new features he needs to make the 
>>> explanations and use of them as intuitive and user friendly (there's an old 
>>> term!) as possible and most likely with those explanations in mind. 
>>> TiddlyWiki itself is the best example that I can think of due to its 
>>> simplicity in a way. It has 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Ed

Apologies, I'm taking a short holiday break, but wanted to jump in to 
reassure you (and others) of a few points:

a) talk.tiddlywiki.org is an experiment for the moment, but my hope is that 
we will migrate all of our Google Groups to the new service (and set the 
old groups to "read-only" so that they will continue to be available as an 
archive)

b) the idea of migrating from Google Groups has been floating around for 
many years, but I've always been very cautious about. A great friend of 
TiddlyWiki called Boris Mann kindly offered to help get us set up on the 
new platform, an offer which was meaningful because he already runs several 
other instances of Discourse

c) It has to be an experiment because we want to bring everyone with us to 
the new platform. There's been a lot of great feedback about what people 
like about the new forum, and what they struggle with. The volunteers are 
working hard to tweak the system to suit everyone

d) My own experience is that Discourse is superior to Google Groups in 
almost every way, but I don't underestimate the friction of making the 
change

Lastly, thank you for sharing your situation with us. Your perspective is 
inspiring, and there's a lot for us to learn about inclusivity. In the 
software development industry a certain amount of lip service is paid to 
accommodating users with visual, auditory or motor difficulties, but very 
little to cognitive impairment. I suffered from some of it when my long 
COVID was at its worst, which certainly left me thinking that these 
considerations would only increase in importance.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC+1 barro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Someone say herding cats?  Let me testify, just like with walking into 
> Mordor, you don't just herd cats.  You lead them.  And if they don't feel 
> like following, it probably won't be happening...
>
> Yes, I know I'm no help...
>
> Will Discourse threads be indexed by Google in general?  I'm sure a few 
> people (myself included) depend on the ease of being able to find TW info 
> from this group (as well as TW official static pages) on normal Google web 
> search results (I believe TW Reddit content also will come up in web 
> searches)
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: My Brain.jpg]
>>
>> Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep 
>> this photo on my phone when I run into situations where I think I may need 
>> to explain why (they do this yearly and there has been no change in the 3/4 
>> inch diameter hole in a very big head LOL). I am not looking for pity but 
>> hoping to help make your point. We are all using TiddlyWiki with our own 
>> understanding and skills. You are also absolutely right, the condensed 
>> updates are as much or more than I can handle personally as is (you guys 
>> are way too busy!) LOL. I keep up with these just to make sure what few 
>> plugins I use are not known or expected to break as TW evolves. Also, I 
>> think it is important that Jeremy has a say in which he wants to use. 
>> Realizing of course the real discussion is happening in GIT but all of that 
>> is way over my head now anyway. Still his announcements about new features 
>> and explanations on how to use those when questions come up here as well as 
>> the base TiddlyWiki without addons or plugins (or at least as minimal a set 
>> as possible) have been extremely helpful to me. So where he goes I need to 
>> go because he knows when he adds new features he needs to make the 
>> explanations and use of them as intuitive and user friendly (there's an old 
>> term!) as possible and most likely with those explanations in mind. 
>> TiddlyWiki itself is the best example that I can think of due to its 
>> simplicity in a way. It has amazing capabilities but an ease of use 
>> unparalleled by programs that have almost none of the customization 
>> capabilities allowing it to be used as needed. I have seen efforts to write 
>> books and manuals fail not due to a lack of effort, knowledge, or ability 
>> but a lack of being able to keep up with the pace TW5 evolves which is an 
>> amazing example of how much work Jeremy and those who help him have 
>> put into this over the years! To me this group does represent a record of 
>> all that effort and progress he might prefer continues here? 
>>
>> But not trying to argue for or against with anyone. LOL I know longer 
>> have those skills either (happily). I am Just trying to keep up, which is 
>> probably a fool's errand anyway but, also offer a reminder that unless 
>> there is a fork planned I personally feel no one should just take the 
>> community he has built here and put it over there without him at least 
>> being a part of that decision.  
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:20 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
>> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tony,
>>> Ed did not complain. He would not 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[A Gloom]

Someone say herding cats?  Let me testify, just like with walking into 
Mordor, you don't just herd cats.  You lead them.  And if they don't feel 
like following, it probably won't be happening...

Yes, I know I'm no help...

Will Discourse threads be indexed by Google in general?  I'm sure a few 
people (myself included) depend on the ease of being able to find TW info 
from this group (as well as TW official static pages) on normal Google web 
search results (I believe TW Reddit content also will come up in web 
searches)
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: My Brain.jpg]
>
> Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep 
> this photo on my phone when I run into situations where I think I may need 
> to explain why (they do this yearly and there has been no change in the 3/4 
> inch diameter hole in a very big head LOL). I am not looking for pity but 
> hoping to help make your point. We are all using TiddlyWiki with our own 
> understanding and skills. You are also absolutely right, the condensed 
> updates are as much or more than I can handle personally as is (you guys 
> are way too busy!) LOL. I keep up with these just to make sure what few 
> plugins I use are not known or expected to break as TW evolves. Also, I 
> think it is important that Jeremy has a say in which he wants to use. 
> Realizing of course the real discussion is happening in GIT but all of that 
> is way over my head now anyway. Still his announcements about new features 
> and explanations on how to use those when questions come up here as well as 
> the base TiddlyWiki without addons or plugins (or at least as minimal a set 
> as possible) have been extremely helpful to me. So where he goes I need to 
> go because he knows when he adds new features he needs to make the 
> explanations and use of them as intuitive and user friendly (there's an old 
> term!) as possible and most likely with those explanations in mind. 
> TiddlyWiki itself is the best example that I can think of due to its 
> simplicity in a way. It has amazing capabilities but an ease of use 
> unparalleled by programs that have almost none of the customization 
> capabilities allowing it to be used as needed. I have seen efforts to write 
> books and manuals fail not due to a lack of effort, knowledge, or ability 
> but a lack of being able to keep up with the pace TW5 evolves which is an 
> amazing example of how much work Jeremy and those who help him have 
> put into this over the years! To me this group does represent a record of 
> all that effort and progress he might prefer continues here? 
>
> But not trying to argue for or against with anyone. LOL I know longer have 
> those skills either (happily). I am Just trying to keep up, which is 
> probably a fool's errand anyway but, also offer a reminder that unless 
> there is a fork planned I personally feel no one should just take the 
> community he has built here and put it over there without him at least 
> being a part of that decision.  
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:20 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>> Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group 
>> and is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive 
>> email summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to enjoy 
>> the part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning 
>> for some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary 
>> from this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?"
>>
>> Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to 
>> login and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help 
>> from moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - 
>> you now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all 
>> of your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level.
>>
>> As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare for 
>> questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is large 
>> and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to be 
>> able to do so.  If questions like this is not met with answers - those 
>> users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost 
>> yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often 
>> happening while others loose out.
>>
>> We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using 
>> Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special needs 
>> and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of 
>> them.
>>
>> I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it clear 
>> - can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails summary. 
>> Can you use the group fully if your only way of being able 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Ed Dixon]

[image: My Brain.jpg]

Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep
this photo on my phone when I run into situations where I think I may need
to explain why (they do this yearly and there has been no change in the 3/4
inch diameter hole in a very big head LOL). I am not looking for pity but
hoping to help make your point. We are all using TiddlyWiki with our own
understanding and skills. You are also absolutely right, the condensed
updates are as much or more than I can handle personally as is (you guys
are way too busy!) LOL. I keep up with these just to make sure what few
plugins I use are not known or expected to break as TW evolves. Also, I
think it is important that Jeremy has a say in which he wants to use.
Realizing of course the real discussion is happening in GIT but all of that
is way over my head now anyway. Still his announcements about new features
and explanations on how to use those when questions come up here as well as
the base TiddlyWiki without addons or plugins (or at least as minimal a set
as possible) have been extremely helpful to me. So where he goes I need to
go because he knows when he adds new features he needs to make the
explanations and use of them as intuitive and user friendly (there's an old
term!) as possible and most likely with those explanations in mind.
TiddlyWiki itself is the best example that I can think of due to its
simplicity in a way. It has amazing capabilities but an ease of use
unparalleled by programs that have almost none of the customization
capabilities allowing it to be used as needed. I have seen efforts to write
books and manuals fail not due to a lack of effort, knowledge, or ability
but a lack of being able to keep up with the pace TW5 evolves which is an
amazing example of how much work Jeremy and those who help him have
put into this over the years! To me this group does represent a record of
all that effort and progress he might prefer continues here?

But not trying to argue for or against with anyone. LOL I know longer have
those skills either (happily). I am Just trying to keep up, which is
probably a fool's errand anyway but, also offer a reminder that unless
there is a fork planned I personally feel no one should just take the
community he has built here and put it over there without him at least
being a part of that decision.

Thanks!


On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:20 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
strikkeglad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony,
> Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group
> and is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive
> email summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to enjoy
> the part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning
> for some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary
> from this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?"
>
> Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to
> login and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help
> from moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up -
> you now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all
> of your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level.
>
> As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare for
> questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is large
> and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to be
> able to do so.  If questions like this is not met with answers - those
> users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost
> yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often
> happening while others loose out.
>
> We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using
> Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special needs
> and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of
> them.
>
> I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it clear -
> can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails summary. Can
> you use the group fully if your only way of being able is using a screen
> reader?
>
> Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens,
> moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting
> layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for
> those - if possible.
>
> If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the new
> group - save time and explain why.
>
> Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and try
> to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion.  Plenty of telling it
> is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have read that by now.
>
> And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this group
> read only - because afterwards - you will never know.
>
> Who 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[jwd]

If you've not used discourse-based forums I could understand how "summaries 
if one stays away" could seem backwards. I actually find it useful in other 
forums I follow. If you are busy doing other things you'll get a summary of 
popular topics you've missed that can remind you to re-engage. If you are 
actively visiting the forum you won't be bothered with pointless email 
about with things you've probably already seen.

You'll soon learn to re-visit the forum discussions that pique your 
interest from the email and reply there.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:13:47 PM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> It only sends summaries if one stays away from the forum?  What the frig 
> kind of messed-up design is that ?
>
> There are certain kinds of flaws that I can tolerate and some of those 
> even understand, but that design has me feeling this way 
>  about the designer.
>
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-3 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Gosh, your situation sounds scary. I don't know if I could stick with it 
>> under your circumstances.
>>
>> Yes, you will need to sign up at talk.tiddlywiki.org. But the good news 
>> is that you can use your existing gmail address, so you won't have to learn 
>> anything new there.
>>
>> Once you sign up, you, or a helper, will need to navigate to the settings:
>>
>> In the upper right hand corner click on your avatar, then on the little 
>> man tab, then on the cog, then from the list on the left click on "Emails". 
>> Under "Activity Summary" you can select to receive a summary weekly, 
>> monthly, or bi-annually.  I could put together some screen shots if that 
>> would help, though I feel that should be done with someone with an official 
>> capacity.
>>
>> The funny thing is, to get these summaries, you have to NEVER visit the 
>> new forum! It only sends you summaries if you stay away!
>>
>> The thing I don't know is if you can reply to a summary, just like to an 
>> email. Maybe an admin can comment. 
>>
>> There is a mail list mode, but it sends you every single post, which I 
>> don't think is what you want. Most other systems have mail list modes with 
>> summaries, but that option isn't on the drop down.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:15:03 AM UTC-7 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
>>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
>>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
>>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
>>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
>>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
>>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
>>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
>>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
>>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
>>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
>>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
>>> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
>>> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
>>> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
>>> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
>>> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
>>> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
>>> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
>>> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
>>> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
>>> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
>>> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
>>> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
>>> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
>>> for every post being made thats is an absolute! 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
 https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

 Regards
 Tones

 On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:

> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching 
> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community?
> JWH
>
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!
>>

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Charlie Veniot]

It only sends summaries if one stays away from the forum?  What the frig 
kind of messed-up design is that ?

There are certain kinds of flaws that I can tolerate and some of those even 
understand, but that design has me feeling this way 
 about the designer.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-3 Mark S. wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Gosh, your situation sounds scary. I don't know if I could stick with it 
> under your circumstances.
>
> Yes, you will need to sign up at talk.tiddlywiki.org. But the good news 
> is that you can use your existing gmail address, so you won't have to learn 
> anything new there.
>
> Once you sign up, you, or a helper, will need to navigate to the settings:
>
> In the upper right hand corner click on your avatar, then on the little 
> man tab, then on the cog, then from the list on the left click on "Emails". 
> Under "Activity Summary" you can select to receive a summary weekly, 
> monthly, or bi-annually.  I could put together some screen shots if that 
> would help, though I feel that should be done with someone with an official 
> capacity.
>
> The funny thing is, to get these summaries, you have to NEVER visit the 
> new forum! It only sends you summaries if you stay away!
>
> The thing I don't know is if you can reply to a summary, just like to an 
> email. Maybe an admin can comment. 
>
> There is a mail list mode, but it sends you every single post, which I 
> don't think is what you want. Most other systems have mail list modes with 
> summaries, but that option isn't on the drop down.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:15:03 AM UTC-7 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
>> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
>> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
>> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
>> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
>> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
>> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
>> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
>> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
>> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
>> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
>> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
>> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
>> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
>> for every post being made thats is an absolute! 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>>
 Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching 
 "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community?
 JWH

 On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
> (Secret-HQ) wrote:
>
>> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
>> the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
>> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google 
>> Groups 
>> is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it 
>> moves 
>> to Talk.TW)
>>
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Ed,

Gosh, your situation sounds scary. I don't know if I could stick with it 
under your circumstances.

Yes, you will need to sign up at talk.tiddlywiki.org. But the good news is 
that you can use your existing gmail address, so you won't have to learn 
anything new there.

Once you sign up, you, or a helper, will need to navigate to the settings:

In the upper right hand corner click on your avatar, then on the little man 
tab, then on the cog, then from the list on the left click on "Emails". 
Under "Activity Summary" you can select to receive a summary weekly, 
monthly, or bi-annually.  I could put together some screen shots if that 
would help, though I feel that should be done with someone with an official 
capacity.

The funny thing is, to get these summaries, you have to NEVER visit the new 
forum! It only sends you summaries if you stay away!

The thing I don't know is if you can reply to a summary, just like to an 
email. Maybe an admin can comment. 

There is a mail list mode, but it sends you every single post, which I 
don't think is what you want. Most other systems have mail list modes with 
summaries, but that option isn't on the drop down.

 

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:15:03 AM UTC-7 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
> for every post being made thats is an absolute! 
>
> Thanks, 
> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching 
>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community?
>>> JWH
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!

 Best,
 Joshua Fontany
 On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
 (Secret-HQ) wrote:

> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
> the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google 
> Groups 
> is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it 
> moves 
> to Talk.TW)
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>


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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Tony,
Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group and 
is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive email 
summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to enjoy the 
part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning for 
some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary from 
this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?"

Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to login 
and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help from 
moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - you 
now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all of 
your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level.

As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare for 
questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is large 
and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to be 
able to do so.  If questions like this is not met with answers - those 
users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost 
yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often 
happening while others loose out.

We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using 
Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special needs 
and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of 
them.

I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it clear - 
can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails summary. Can 
you use the group fully if your only way of being able is using a screen 
reader?

Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens, 
moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting 
layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for 
those - if possible.

If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the new 
group - save time and explain why.

Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and try 
to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion.  Plenty of telling it 
is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have read that by now.

And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this group 
read only - because afterwards - you will never know.

Who *IS* in the Target group for the new group? And then list the 
promoting  points - ALL of them. Show that list clearly in both groups.

Please - I did not in anyway want to offend anyone - but we are not all the 
same.
 
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:46:44 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Ed,
>
> Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have good 
> reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even reply on 
> a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a range of 
> problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every day.
>
> We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org puts 
> control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not "this 
> move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from the 
> community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is 
> also asking too much.
>
> I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to 
> help, and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than 
> GG. So I am confident we can restore the functionality you want.
>
> Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you 
> transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately change 
> our minds because of your experience.
>
> If you did not see yet, signing up at  talk.tiddlywiki.org with your 
> google login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system.
>
> Yours sincerely
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

Ed,

Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have good 
reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even reply on 
a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a range of 
problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every day.

We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org puts 
control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not "this 
move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from the 
community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is 
also asking too much.

I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to help, 
and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than GG. So 
I am confident we can restore the functionality you want.

Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you 
transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately change 
our minds because of your experience.

If you did not see yet, signing up at  talk.tiddlywiki.org with your google 
login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system.

Yours sincerely
Tony

On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
> for every post being made thats is an absolute! 
>
> Thanks, 
> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching 
>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community?
>>> JWH
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!

 Best,
 Joshua Fontany
 On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
 (Secret-HQ) wrote:

> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
> the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google 
> Groups 
> is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it 
> moves 
> to Talk.TW)
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>


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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Ed Dixon]

Hi All,

Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
for every post being made thats is an absolute! 

Thanks, 
On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching "TiddlyWiki" 
>> - did I just lose access to the community?
>> JWH
>>
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
>>> (Secret-HQ) wrote:
>>>
 I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
 the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
 there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google Groups 
 is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it moves 
 to Talk.TW)

 https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/

>>>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

JW Are you on the specific instance of 
discourse? https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

Regards
Tones

On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:

> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching "TiddlyWiki" 
> - did I just lose access to the community?
> JWH
>
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
>> (Secret-HQ) wrote:
>>
>>> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with the 
>>> interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads there 
>>> rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google Groups is 
>>> that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it moves to 
>>> Talk.TW)
>>>
>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

['JWHoneycutt' via TiddlyWiki]

Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching "TiddlyWiki" - 
did I just lose access to the community?
JWH

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
> wrote:
>
>> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with the 
>> interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads there 
>> rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google Groups is 
>> that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it moves to 
>> Talk.TW)
>>
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Joshua Fontany]

Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!

Best,
Joshua Fontany
On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
wrote:

> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with the 
> interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads there 
> rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google Groups is 
> that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it moves to 
> Talk.TW)
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with the 
interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads there 
rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google Groups is 
that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it moves to 
Talk.TW)

https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[J. C. S.]

Of course I do - and my name too!
Well, not at all - the Dots had to be chaged. But the rest looks fine.
Have a nice day!
Johannes

scot schrieb am Freitag, 20. August 2021 um 21:19:54 UTC+2:

> I have also moved, Discourse is looking pretty good to me.
>
> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 09:41:45 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> I will join the "me too" movement (to discourse of course :)
>>
>> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 13:24:49 UTC+10 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> moved over also
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 14:40:24 UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:

> Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
> superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
> are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
> email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.


 All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can 
 also "mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 

 -mario

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[scot]

I have also moved, Discourse is looking pretty good to me.

On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 09:41:45 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> I will join the "me too" movement (to discourse of course :)
>
> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 13:24:49 UTC+10 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> moved over also
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 14:40:24 UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:
>>>
 Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
 superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
 are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
 email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.
>>>
>>>
>>> All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can 
>>> also "mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[scot]

Scot
I have also moved.
On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 09:41:45 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> I will join the "me too" movement (to discourse of course :)
>
> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 13:24:49 UTC+10 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> moved over also
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 14:40:24 UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:
>>>
 Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
 superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
 are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
 email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.
>>>
>>>
>>> All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can 
>>> also "mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

I will join the "me too" movement (to discourse of course :)

On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 13:24:49 UTC+10 fred@gmail.com wrote:

> moved over also
>
> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 14:40:24 UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:
>>
>>> Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
>>> superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
>>> are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
>>> email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.
>>
>>
>> All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can also 
>> "mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Frédéric Demers]

moved over also

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 14:40:24 UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:
>
>> Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
>> superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
>> are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
>> email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.
>
>
> All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can also 
> "mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 
>
> -mario
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[PMario]

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:

> Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
> superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
> are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
> email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.


All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can also 
"mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[R²]

Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[David Shaw]

Not that my contributions have been earth shattering, but I've moved too :)

David Shaw

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021, 12:58 David Gifford,  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore.
>
> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone
> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add
> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from
> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the
> same.
>
> Blessings.
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[clutterstack]

I'm there.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:16:11 AM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> See https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Jon  wrote:
>
>> Oh... what's the link?
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> I am moving too!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 

 Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe 
 everyone who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread 
 to 
 add their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus 
 from one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to 
 do 
 the same.

 Blessings.

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Mohammad Rahmani]

See https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Jon  wrote:

> Oh... what's the link?
>
> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> I am moving too!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore.
>>>
>>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone
>>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add
>>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from
>>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Jon]

Oh... what's the link?

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> I am moving too!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>
>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
>> same.
>>
>> Blessings.
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Mohammad Rahmani]

I am moving too!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore.
>
> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone
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> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from
> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the
> same.
>
> Blessings.
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[tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[David Gifford]

Hi everyone

I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 

Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
same.

Blessings.

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