[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2019-01-03 Thread S. S.
Though I recommend not taking the time and effort to see this yourself, there are just over 1,700 lines (meaning links to tiddlers) in the Table of Contents on www.tiddlywiki.com ! It seems that extensive use of parent/child tags has actually created an *Index* as opposed to a Table of

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2019-01-02 Thread Cyrill
Hey, I found it by just modify the file "$:/.tb/template/list-examples" by adding another reveal paragraph with the wished content field ! So how to make that editable in view-mode ? Nice Regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki"

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2019-01-02 Thread Cyrill
Thanks Tony for your reply, when I understand it correctly the reference {{!!caption}} show the content of the field. To remove the "variable" I think I had to change the macro of tobibeer ? The list-search of him in my mind already shows after each of listed tiddlers two fields "filter" und

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2019-01-01 Thread TonyM
Cyrill, Of course it is easy, tobiases test filter is designed to only list the titles of the tiddlers matching the filter. If you build your own list without using the "variable" you can reference fields inside the list widget as current tiddler. Eg {{!!caption}} Or is there something more

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2019-01-01 Thread Cyrill
Hey Community, perhaps a bit off-topic, but I'm looking for a useful adaptation of the output (results) of the list-search (macro) by Tobibeer to re-organize Tags and Fields (for example : ontology or semantics) http://tobibeer.github.io/tw/filters/#Filter%20Examples Is it possible to show

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-31 Thread wjam
Long time ago I made a copy of tiddlywiki.com 5.1.11 and added lots of additional tags to find stuff easier, some additional tiddlers to see all widgets tiddlers, Tiddlywiki quickref tab: an over the top view of all concepts, some flow diagrams for using local html or hosted tiddlyspot,

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-31 Thread S. S.
So, I'm wondering, you make this parent *tiddler* – and then any other tiddler inseminated with the parent's title – produces a *toddler* ! This whole tagging thing is so much like the 7 year old toddler, asking his tiddler about the Birds and the Bees

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2018-12-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Part of it IS art. It is interesting how decisions on tags could be about colour encodement. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2018-12-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It feels like someone started a coloring scheme but then didn't follow up. You practically need an interior designer to get really good tag schemes ;-) -- Mark On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 3:11:02 AM UTC-8, S. S. wrote: > > > Most all tags on tiddlywiki.com are the familiar mustard/gold. > A

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-29 Thread Ste Wilson
I've used coloured tags for top level tags. Just to highlight them a little. Eye candy I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2018-12-28 Thread TonyM
S s Unless you use coloured tags, you have to read the tag name, so I think colour can be used effectivly on tags as it can be in many other cases. In my key wiki I use the class field to change the titles text and background to indicate tiddler type. You can use trafic light colours or even

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-28 Thread S. S.
Tony, My thoughts were closer to - are different colours in this case some method of organization? Just eye-candy? Can colours be used effectively as a visual aid in organizing? More than a visual aid - some way of categorizing? I was just thinking out loud with my last post - wondering if

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-28 Thread TonyM
S s Have a look in sidebar tools tag manager and set tag colours as you wish. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2018-12-28 Thread S. S.
Most all tags on tiddlywiki.com are the familiar mustard/gold. A few are different colours. Concepts Definitions Mechanisms task I am wondering why this is so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this

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2018-12-21 Thread bimlas
According to this, it is still in the experimental state. In any case, thank you for the idea, I will try to it out by myself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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2018-12-21 Thread Diego Mesa
S.S I think you perfectly captured a major problem with search in TW. The best thing to illustrate it, is what you just said: *Title matches:* *HelloThumbnail - HelpingTiddlyWiki* HelpCommand HelpingTiddlyWiki There is no clearer way to say it... On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 11:37:16 PM

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-21 Thread HansWobbe
My sincere apologies for this late reply, but I got called into the resolution of a business dispute between two companies that took a lot more time and energy than I anticipated. Unfortunately, I do not have a public-facing wiki that I can provide to illustrate my use of keywords, at this

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-20 Thread S. S.
Since my TW's ToC is not structured around using hierarchical tags, let's look at something more functional and interesting: *tiddlywiki.com* Lets see how its tags work! Say I'm new to TW and I read [[HelloThere]] and wonder what to do next. In the search bar I type: *help* The top 3 are

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-20 Thread TonyM
S S, Sorry for a delay in my response. Responding in detail to you specific case is not helpful because in my view you are using lots of tags for different purposes, and this makes it complex and error bound, specifically in thew case you mention of "anyone else using my TW". The thing is

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-20 Thread bimlas
@HansWobbe I'm a big fan of tags as you were, but I see the weakness of this system (for example, 4 notes belong to 11 tags). The tags help me when I do not remember any keywords that I can write the search for, so it's good if I can search them out of a list. There is no such list of

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-17 Thread HansWobbe
Mark: Thanks for posting this. It's good to have another experienced view on this subject since I find myself gradually reducing the use of Tags in favor of using Keywords more, as there are many times when I find myself moving away from one methodology only to find that the newer one has its

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2018-12-17 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Until Tony gets here ... On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 6:29:11 AM UTC-8, S. S. wrote: > > I do not have a tiddler named: general-semantics. Instead it is named General > Semantics. This is tagged with *definition* & *general-semantics* > Would you say this is wrong? Should its title be exactly

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-17 Thread S. S.
Hi Tony, I've read your post a few times now and I'm still trying to wrap my head around all you said. This is an interesting topic for me, so please indulge me a little longer! For an example, I have the following tags: Category: *general-semantics* Sub-categories: *abstraction* , *e-prime*

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-16 Thread TonyM
Folks, I believe I have argued it in the past, but I would like to offer my opinion that you should not use prefixes on tags to represent what they mean. Apart from anything you are breaking database normalisation rules by making an attribute of an object be part of the key to the object,

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2018-12-16 Thread Riz
@TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Riz > > Some time ago you made for me a neat system (later refined by Mark S.) > which auto-adds tags based on save on IN-LINE words. > > The specific use-case was I post to #Twitter. Any in-line #hastagged word > would get auto added as a tag to a Tiddler on save.

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-16 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Caro Bimlas You recent work on "kin" is very interesting for how to emerge local, wiki specific workable TAXONOMIES. In the root space of taggery history was I think a false debate between "flat" taggery (the main system used now on web) and "world-order" hierarchy taxonomy... dating back to

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-16 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Riz Some time ago you made for me a neat system (later refined by Mark S.) which auto-adds tags based on save on IN-LINE words. The specific use-case was I post to #Twitter. Any in-line #hastagged word would get auto added as a tag to a Tiddler on save. Very neat. For those I never need

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-16 Thread HansWobbe
> I like the way this discussion is shaping up. May be a plugin could be > written to ignore a set of characters like "@", "#" etc appearing in the > begining of tag pill, so that user can use them safely to denote different > branches of their organization system. > > sincerely > Riz > It

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-16 Thread Riz
S. S. wrote: > > So RANDOMLY - without putting much thought into what symbol to prefix the > tags ... > > Keywords? How about starting those with : *#my-keyword* > Category? How about : *@my-category* > Topic? How about: *!topic* > Keeping track of excised data?: *^Parent-Tiddler-Name* >

Re: [tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 12:28:20 PM UTC-8, S. S. wrote: > > Then I started to try and understand what I had meant by the highly broad > and abstract terms of "Groups" and "Categories" - which I believe now I > just used to make the list as an idea of having many different kinds of >

Re: [tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread S. S.
Thomas Clark wrote: > > Can you elaborate on 3,5, & 6? I feel like I understand what you mean but > I'm still have a difficult wrapping my head around it and what are the > purpose and what would the outcome be for? > > > Thomas Clark - when I read your question, I immediately wrote the

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread bimlas
I think that kind of logic is in the wrong direction. Two reasons: * unnecessary complexities * your brain does not work that way Unnecessary complexities The simpler, the more secure it works, the more straightforward, the more usable. For now, you've listed 6 "tag categories", but in time

Re: [tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread Thomas Clark
Can you elaborate on 3,5, & 6? I feel like I understand what you mean but I'm still have a difficult wrapping my head around it and what are the purpose and what would the outcome be for? On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:55 AM S. S. wrote: > > While reading various TW Google Group exchanges (some are

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
S. S. That is a great overview that contextualises a lot more than my OP! Best wishes Josiah On Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:55:39 UTC+1, S. S. wrote: > > > While reading various TW Google Group exchanges (some are included below > that I had noted down), I put down some thoughts the last few

Re: [tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Alex Being able to tag tiddlers that are the tag (name) is useful. The "free-form" way we can make tags is interesting in TW for the fact you can quickly construct "dynamic local taxonomies" using tag-tagging and other aglutination methods easily. Its taggery is quite unlike medium like

Re: [tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread Alex Hough
tagging the tag is an option to classify a particular tag... thinking out loud... Alex On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 13:55, S. S. wrote: > > While reading various TW Google Group exchanges (some are included below > that I had noted down), I put down some thoughts the last few days. > > For what

[tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

2018-12-15 Thread S. S.
While reading various TW Google Group exchanges (some are included below that I had noted down), I put down some thoughts the last few days. For what purposes am I using tags used for? 1. tags prefixed $:/ for the TW system 2. tags for creating "parent-child" relationships - i.e.