[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Joshua Fontany]

And I found the Bob config tab & related docs. Cool, no worries on that.

It would be great to resolve the tiddlyweb plugin errors, as I would like 
to sync my local Bob wiki folder to github, but can't be sure others 
pulling it are using Bob.

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 2:21:54 PM UTC-8, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Hmmm. I have also run into the "syncer-browser-tiddlyweb" errors.
>
> I also noted that at some point I stopped being able to save local 
> single-file copies of the wiki by clicking normal checkmark/save button.
>
> But if I don't have `tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb` in my tiddlywiki.info file, I 
> can't just use node to --build an index.html...
>
> So something here isn't working right. I just don't know if I made a 
> mistake with setup or ???
>
> Best,
>
> Joshua Fontany
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-8, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>
>> Jed, this is excellent work. I just realized that the TW releases had 
>> broken my JsonMangler code in the latest version. I had been developing on 
>> tiddlyserver (& it doesn't like the latest) & needed to refactor.
>>
>> Just got up and running with Bob, and the SLACK it has given me! ( ; ) ) 
>> Bravo. Bravo.
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

The tiddlyweb error is probably because there is a .tid version of the 
tiddlyweb plugin in the tiddlers folder. It happens sometimes and I haven't 
gotten around to publishing the changes I made to keep that from being a 
problem.

The save button no longer saves a single file copy because people said it 
was confusing that they could save a single file copy that way that wasn't 
the same as the copy served by Bob. If you want a single file copy you can 
go to the control panel and under the Bob Settings tab there is a 'Download 
Single File Version' button, that downloads a single file version with the 
Bob plugins stripped out because they don't do anything for a singe file 
wiki.

If you want to customise how the download works there is documentation for 
it in the Bob Documentation tab, look at the ActionDownloadWiki part.

The problem about not being able to build a wiki without the tiddlyweb 
plugin is strange. The easiest thing to check is that there may be a comma 
error in the tiddlywiki.info file, next make sure that in the 
tiddlywiki.info file under the build key 'index' is listed. Past that I 
don't know, I am not very familiar with that part of the build process.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Joshua Fontany]

Hmmm. I have also run into the "syncer-browser-tiddlyweb" errors.

I also noted that at some point I stopped being able to save local 
single-file copies of the wiki by clicking normal checkmark/save button.

But if I don't have `tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb` in my tiddlywiki.info file, I 
can't just use node to --build an index.html...

So something here isn't working right. I just don't know if I made a 
mistake with setup or ???

Best,

Joshua Fontany



On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 9:14:25 PM UTC-8, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Jed, this is excellent work. I just realized that the TW releases had 
> broken my JsonMangler code in the latest version. I had been developing on 
> tiddlyserver (& it doesn't like the latest) & needed to refactor.
>
> Just got up and running with Bob, and the SLACK it has given me! ( ; ) ) 
> Bravo. Bravo.
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Joshua Fontany]

Jed, this is excellent work. I just realized that the TW releases had 
broken my JsonMangler code in the latest version. I had been developing on 
tiddlyserver (& it doesn't like the latest) & needed to refactor.

Just got up and running with Bob, and the SLACK it has given me! ( ; ) ) 
Bravo. Bravo.

Best,
Joshua Fontany

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Matthew Lauber]

Hey Jed, 

Since the update, I'm having difficulty using the 
<$action-websocketmessage> "internalFetch".  I was trying to populate my 
rootWiki with the $:/SiteTitle from the various other wikis, and had this 
working in 1.1.0.  Now, the call to internalFetch results in "Couldn't 
parse externalTiddlers input".

\define addPrefix() [addprefix[$:/state/Bob/$(WikiName)$/]]
\define getTitle() $:/state/Bob/$(WikiName)$/$:/SiteTitle
\define getSubtitle() $:/state/Bob/$(WikiName)$/$:/SiteSubtitle

Available Wikis: <$button>
  Refresh Titles
  <$list filter="[[$:/WikiSettings/split/wikis]indexes[]]" 
variable="WikiName">
 <$action-websocketmessage
   $type='internalFetch'
   fromWiki=<>
   filter='[title[$:/SiteTitle]]'
   transformFilter=<>
   resolution='force'
 />
 <$action-websocketmessage
   $type='internalFetch'
   fromWiki=<>
   filter='[title[$:/SiteSubtitle]]'
   transformFilter=<>
   resolution='force'
 />
   



<$list filter="[[$:/WikiSettings/split/wikis]indexes[]]" 
variable="WikiName">

> target='_blank'>
<$transclude tiddler=<> ><$text text=<> 
/> <$transclude tiddler=<> />





On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 9:01:27 AM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There are some big changes in this release!!
>
> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
> will be incorrect.
>
> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
> the folder.
> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>
> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
> wiki in a folder called Me.
>
> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server that 
> we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>
> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>
> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
> - General improvements to message handling
> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis folder 
> or subfolders
> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
> relevant with the secure server)
> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
> path/to/wiki/wikiName
> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field from 
> being properly synced.
> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
> connected
> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will be 
> listed.
>
> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>
> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
> from the load function
> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions to 
> view.
> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
> executable) or an absolute path.
> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis folder
> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
> them from the list.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Ste Wilson]

Hello! 
Finally ssh'd into my pi and updated both Bob and tiddlywiki. All went mostly 
well. 
All $:/ tiddlers seem to have vanished as had JD's mobile theme. Fortunately 
I'd a backup! 

Only snag so far is the 'download as single file' button reports an error and 
doesn't download. 

Will try to have an explore of new rudely and bob stuff soon. 

Thanks :)

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[TonyM]

Jed,


For the latest and prior versions of BobExe running on Windows and in 
FireFox when I go to close FireFox most tabs containing a BobWiki generate 
the following prompt regardless of if the WIki has already saved updates;

**This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have 
entered may not be saved**

So there seems to be a problem informing the Browser that the page has no 
updates pending.

Is this a known issue and is there a way to fix it?, when one uses Bob 
heavily it takes sometime to close my browser and I always have to make a 
"tab by tab" visual check to see if there is no outstanding and unsaved 
changes.

Thanks for considering
Tony

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- [ ] OSX
- [ ] Linux
- [ ] Other

and using

- [ ] The nodejs version
- [X] The single file executable

Before posting I read [issue guidelines](./IssueGuidelines.md) and:

- [X] I am using the newest version
- [X] The answer to my question isn't listed in the documentation or this 
isn't
  a question
- [X] This is not a duplicate issue
- [?] I have not done anything that required me to set acceptance to
  `I Will Not Get Tech Support For This`


On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 1:01:27 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There are some big changes in this release!!
>
> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
> will be incorrect.
>
> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
> the folder.
> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>
> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
> wiki in a folder called Me.
>
> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server that 
> we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>
> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>
> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
> - General improvements to message handling
> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis folder 
> or subfolders
> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
> relevant with the secure server)
> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
> path/to/wiki/wikiName
> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field from 
> being properly synced.
> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
> connected
> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will be 
> listed.
>
> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>
> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
> from the load function
> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions to 
> view.
> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
> executable) or an absolute path.
> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis folder
> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
> them from the list.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Dave]

Ha ha, well you know what they say: "Beggers (me) can't be choosers"

I'm just thankful you've brought Bob into the TW community. I've been waiting 
for years to be able to have a file-per-tiddler system. 

Now that I've taken the steps to figure out Bob I suppose I could have figured 
out tiddlyweb server or whatever the previous file per tiddler system was, but 
Bob seems way more user friendly for beginners than those other systems. So 
anyway please consider your work important and I hope your baby here leads to 
great things :)

Ps when I win the lottery you and Jeremy will be my first non family donations 
- I guess I better start buying tickets, ha ha (plus Eric and Tobibeer and Mark 
and...)

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

The error was due to a fix for something else breaking relative paths for 
the root wiki, so it wasn't anything you did wrong. I just need to make a 
more robust test suite than 'whatever things I think of to test at the 
time'.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Dave]

Thank you - my Bob is up and running again :)

I had the same error that the fellow above using Termux had, and I'd 
originally done a git pull in Tiddlywiki5 folder that broke my install.  I 
wonder if that's why.

(don't forget you're dealing with amateurs here :D )

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

You have to go into the Bob plugin folder. If you followed the instructions 
in the readme without changing anything than from the TiddlyWiki5 folder 
you would type:

cd plugins/OokTech/Bob
git pull

the Bob repo is inside the TiddlyWiki5 repo, if you are not inside the Bob 
folder than it will try and pull TiddlyWiki, not Bob.

If you put Bob somewhere else you need to cd into that folder and git pull 
there.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Dave]

Is there something I'm missing to get the recent fixes?  

I was under the impression that I should just go to the Tiddlywiki5 folder 
and enter "git pull", but when I do that it says "Already up to date."

I'm (obviously) not really knowledgable about git, so, is there some 
obvious thing I'm missing?  I tried sudo, and also going up a directory but 
neither worked.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Rizwan Ishak]

Thank you, can confirm that the bug is fixed now.



>  So you may be the only person other than me who is using the plugin version 
> of Bob because the second error isn't related to termux. 


I am sure there are others. People are usually little behind in update cycles.


>  I will spend a few minutes looking at the javascript error now but I don't 
> have a lot more time to devote to this today.



No rush. Just bringing it to your attention. I know how one person cannot do 
all possible tests to find edge cases. That is where community can help out, 
aiding you to evolve it into a better product. 

You should know that a lot of us appreciate the umpteen number of hours and 
expertise you sunk into this project for the sake of community. May be it is 
not vocalised every time, but it is there.

Keep up the great work. Practically all my node instances of Tiddlywiki are Bob 
now. 


Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

I have not had a chance to look at the editing javascript issue, but I did 
find the source of the termux errors. I have been using absolute paths to 
the root wiki on all of my tests and the error only appears when using 
relative paths. So you may be the only person other than me who is using 
the plugin version of Bob because the second error isn't related to termux. 
But it should be fixed now if you pull the newest version. I will spend a 
few minutes looking at the javascript error now but I don't have a lot more 
time to devote to this today.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Riz]

Jed, 

Glad you could replicate it. If it helps, this is an issue with new release. 
Previous release worked well in termux.

Also, since I don't have a working Bob to verify (don't have access to my 
desktop now, only termux), I hope you looked into the the editing JavaScript 
issue. I had outlined the steps to replicate the issue in my first comment

Sincerely
Riz

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Riz,

I think I found the source of the problem, I am testing it now. It looks 
like for some reason on termux the browser is trying to load the favicon 
before the RootWiki is loaded. I am not sure if this is a problem specific 
to termux or if it is because phones generally have less power than other 
hardware running Bob. I fixed the error but now it isn't finding the 
RootWiki. I think it has to do with pathing again, but I am not sure 
exactly where. I will continue looking.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Riz,

I finally got everything installed on the phone and I am getting the same 
error as you. I am not sure why it is happening but I have some ideas, I 
will let you know if I get a fix.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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I have absolutely no idea where the losing focus error came from, and if it 
is fixed now (I don't think it was last time I tested it on my computer) I 
also have no idea why. It may be a mystery of the computer gnomes.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed. Quick note. I will test over next couple of days on details. But 
please note that on Windows *I no longer have the issue on keystroke focus*. 
It was maybe a side-effect of some error you fixed? Anyway, its working for 
me now fine.

Josiah


On Friday, 11 January 2019 19:07:15 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
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> I just put out a bug fix release, so 1.2.1 is up. The changes are just 
> fixing bugs. Thanks to mklauber for contributing to this release. It is 
> marked as a prerelease to see what sort of horrible bugs pop up next.
>
> It should fix the bugs mentioned here except for the one where changing 
> the manual settings in the wiki loses focus after every key stroke. I 
> haven't found what is causing that, but now that there are other ways to 
> add wikis and remove incorrect paths manually editing the settings 
> shouldn't be as important.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Riz,

 I will try to install termux on my phone and see how it goes. I couldn't 
find any reason in the code for that error so there is probably something I 
am overlooking.

Mark,

Those errors are from the tiddlyweb plugin. If you have it listed in the 
tiddlywiki.info file and don't have the plugin as a .tid file it is blocked 
by Bob, but if you have it as a plugin file than it gets loaded and causes 
errors like what you are seeing because the server it expects isn't there.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Linux. Bob Timey Wimey. 

When I try to run one of my existing data folders I get a series of yellow 
404 messages similar to:

syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 21:38:31 11 1 2019 

XMLHttpRequest  error code: 
404

syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 21:38:33 11 1 2019 

Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
': XMLHttpRequest 
 error code: 404


Sync error while processing '$:/EditionsList 
': XMLHttpRequest 
 error code: 404


syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 21:38:33 11 1 2019 

Sync error while processing '$:/Bob/VisibleConfigurationTabs 
': 
XMLHttpRequest  error code: 
404


They reference tiddlers that are not part of the target TW project, so must 
be an artefact of Bob.


I've tried clearing out the wikiindex and starting over. I've renamed 
existing paths so none of them have "wikis" in them. I've checked the 
contents of the data folder directories. I can't see anything wrong. 


Is there a way to run Bob at the command line with better error messages?


Thank you,

Mark

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Riz]

Hi Jed, 

If you have an android phone, can you test it on termux? I need to make sure 
that it is not an issue of my setup.  I did a fresh install from scratch with 
the following commands

git clone --depth=1 --branch v5.1.18 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5.git 
git clone --depth=1 https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob.git 
TiddlyWiki5/plugins/OokTech/Bob 
mkdir TiddlyWiki5/Wikis 
cp -r TiddlyWiki5/plugins/OokTech/Bob/MultiUserWiki TiddlyWiki5/Wikis/BobWiki/
cd TiddlyWiki5 node ./tiddlywiki.js Wikis/BobWiki --wsserver 

I didn't change any setting. I got the same error as before. 


sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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I just put out a bug fix release, so 1.2.1 is up. The changes are just 
fixing bugs. Thanks to mklauber for contributing to this release. It is 
marked as a prerelease to see what sort of horrible bugs pop up next.

It should fix the bugs mentioned here except for the one where changing the 
manual settings in the wiki loses focus after every key stroke. I haven't 
found what is causing that, but now that there are other ways to add wikis 
and remove incorrect paths manually editing the settings shouldn't be as 
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[TonyM]

Jed,

Fact is I am keen to support your effort, and will. 

Thanks for all your contributions.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Tony,

I didn't mean to be soliciting donations by my comments. I was just 
pointing out that trying to leverage money against me on this wouldn't be 
very effective. I am very grateful for the donations that I do get but they 
are far from enough to be the main motivation for any of this.

For the most part just having someone using or testing Bob in windows and 
giving me bug reports should be enough.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[TonyM]

Jed,

I desperately want to donate to you, but I am just starting in business, 
and not earning enough yet.  Hang in there if possible. Since my $ are low, 
I plan to help you with Windows as soon as possible, but I still need to 
get to know Bob well enough, to be confident I can help correctly. This is 
taking me longer because you are not on Windows.

I expect I could provide a Windows virtual machine online to you, however I 
am not sure that is what you need or want. Perhaps we need to ensure you 
have the collaborators you need.

Regards
Tony

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>
> As far as patronage goes, I do support windows now and each month I get 
> enough to cover about 15 minutes of my time at normal contracting rates. 
> And I have spent about 40 to 50 hours trying to track down weird things 
> from windows. So from a financial point of view I have lost many times the 
> income I have made from this because I support windows.
>
> Also I don't respond very well to coercion.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:55:39 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
>
> Also I don't respond very well to coercion.
>


Are you feeling coerced? Then give it up. I'm certainly not coercing you. 

Moving on to Linux.

Attempting to connect to a setup I used last time I beta-tested Bob, 
(October 2018), from a wiki that I regular serve up using tiddly-server, I 
get a page full of syncer-browser-tiddlyweb errors and Bob dies. I can't 
tell if it dies before or after the errors. Launching from the command line 
doesn't reveal any errors. I do notice that each time Bob runs the port 
number gets incremented. I check each time so I know the process is dead 
(ps -A | grep "node"), so it's not like I'm running multiple versions of 
node/Bob.

Thanks
Mark

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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As far as patronage goes, I do support windows now and each month I get 
enough to cover about 15 minutes of my time at normal contracting rates. 
And I have spent about 40 to 50 hours trying to track down weird things 
from windows. So from a financial point of view I have lost many times the 
income I have made from this because I support windows.

Also I don't respond very well to coercion.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Hi Jed

It could be every desktop using windows and it wouldn't mean that I get 
> anything more for supporting windows than not supporting windows.


If you're hoping for patronage, then your odds are 5x better if you include 
the windows world at little extra cost (or at least so it appears from the 
armchair developer).

I think I found the source of the problem and I will get a fix for it 
> eventually. And no, Bob doesn't serve single file wikis, what it does is it 
> makes it simple to convert a single file wiki into a wiki it can serve and 
> then to export it back to a single file wiki. At some point I hope to make 
> this happen transparently so it would be almost the same as serving a 
> single file wiki.
>

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I'll have to try that with a 
couple wikis. 

Thanks!
-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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It could be every desktop using windows and it wouldn't mean that I get 
anything more for supporting windows than not supporting windows.

I think I found the source of the problem and I will get a fix for it 
eventually. And no, Bob doesn't serve single file wikis, what it does is it 
makes it simple to convert a single file wiki into a wiki it can serve and 
then to export it back to a single file wiki. At some point I hope to make 
this happen transparently so it would be almost the same as serving a 
single file wiki.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Mark S. wrote:
>
> You don't know off hand if Bob can serve single file TWs ? I'm assuming 
> not.
>

I'm not fully sure as it not my need to do that.

But Bob can convert single file to Bob using an action widget, if that is 
any use?

See: $:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/ActionConvertWiki

J.


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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Mark S. wrote:
>
> Where do you change the virtual "file" path (like to make it "images", for 
> instance).
>

There is a good overview of configuring the various pathings here 
... https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/blob/master/Configuration.md

And in the latest Bob.EXE Jed's helpfully included that in the Bob 
Documentation.

HTH
J.


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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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@TiddlyTweeter

You don't know off hand if Bob can serve single file TWs ? I'm assuming not.

@TiddlyTweeter and/or Jed

Can you set lazy loading in the settings?

Where do you change the virtual "file" path (like to make it "images", for 
instance).

Thanks!
-- Mark


On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Jed & Mark
>
> I can't add much constructive to Mark's comments ... but thought it worth 
> emphasising ...
>
> -- manual settings entries are losing focus on edit character by 
> character. NB: previous versions of bob.EXE Windows did not have that issue 
> on settings.
>
> -- I tried updating or adding several different settings. In all cases the 
> problem Mark outlined occurs.
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> ... Apparently windows paths need to have the backslash escaped, like 
>> C:\\mypath\\to\\tiddlywiki.info\\dir
>>
>
> Yes. I believe that is how node is able handle path settings? This method 
> of storage of paths was the same in previous Bob.EXE editions so I doubt 
> its any issue in this. FWIW Tiddly Desktop also uses escapes in its path 
> settings.
>
> Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> ... The windows exe file is also two levels of things that I don't use, 
>> windows and BobEXE, which means I put a lot of time and effort into 
>> debugging something that I can't test and that I don't use.
>>
>> I probably won't actually drop support, but I can dream. Its refusal to 
>> play well with others makes my life more difficult.
>>
>
> Eek! I hope you will stick with Windows. Previous versions I had no 
> problems of this type with and its worked very reliably on Windows (7 & 10) 
> for me. 
>
> The only issue I had in Windows was around the Windows command processor. 
> But that is not a Bob issue. Its an O/S issue that can arise in the running 
> of scripts initiated by Bob. Its easily solvable and I posted about what 
> users need to know to address it.
>
> Very best wishes
> Josiah
>  
>
>

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed & Mark

I can't add much constructive to Mark's comments ... but thought it worth 
emphasising ...

-- manual settings entries are losing focus on edit character by character. 
NB: previous versions of bob.EXE Windows did not have that issue on 
settings.

-- I tried updating or adding several different settings. In all cases the 
problem Mark outlined occurs.

Mark S. wrote:
>
> ... Apparently windows paths need to have the backslash escaped, like 
> C:\\mypath\\to\\tiddlywiki.info\\dir
>

Yes. I believe that is how node is able handle path settings? This method 
of storage of paths was the same in previous Bob.EXE editions so I doubt 
its any issue in this. FWIW Tiddly Desktop also uses escapes in its path 
settings.

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> ... The windows exe file is also two levels of things that I don't use, 
> windows and BobEXE, which means I put a lot of time and effort into 
> debugging something that I can't test and that I don't use.
>
> I probably won't actually drop support, but I can dream. Its refusal to 
> play well with others makes my life more difficult.
>

Eek! I hope you will stick with Windows. Previous versions I had no 
problems of this type with and its worked very reliably on Windows (7 & 10) 
for me. 

The only issue I had in Windows was around the Windows command processor. 
But that is not a Bob issue. Its an O/S issue that can arise in the running 
of scripts initiated by Bob. Its easily solvable and I posted about what 
users need to know to address it.

Very best wishes
Josiah
 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Additional note about odd behavior. When I'm in the Settings Tab and 
refresh the screen, it will ask me if I want to leave the page (even though 
I haven't changed anything on the page). When I say "yes" and it refreshes, 
Bob closes itself out. Don't know if that's intended.

-- Mark

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:50:48 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I can create a path using a text editor. Apparently windows paths need to 
> have the backslash escaped, like C:\\mypath\\to\\tiddlywiki.info\\dir
>
> When I view this in the manual settings tab, the double \\ are reduced to 
> single \. When I attempt to edit in the Manual Settings tab, everything is 
> made into a 2 byte file.
>
> In fact, even if I take a working set up, and simply delete the existing 
> empty in the Manual Settings tab, the settings file is made into a 2 byte 
> file.
>
> So basically, the Manual Settings tab, or perhaps the "Update" function, 
> corrupts the settings file and turns it into a 2 byte {} file whenever it 
> is used.
>
> So, it's not about windows pathing. It's about either the Manual Settings 
> editor, or the "update" button.
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mark
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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I can create a path using a text editor. Apparently windows paths need to 
have the backslash escaped, like C:\\mypath\\to\\tiddlywiki.info\\dir

When I view this in the manual settings tab, the double \\ are reduced to 
single \. When I attempt to edit in the Manual Settings tab, everything is 
made into a 2 byte file.

In fact, even if I take a working set up, and simply delete the existing 
empty in the Manual Settings tab, the settings file is made into a 2 byte 
file.

So basically, the Manual Settings tab, or perhaps the "Update" function, 
corrupts the settings file and turns it into a 2 byte {} file whenever it 
is used.

So, it's not about windows pathing. It's about either the Manual Settings 
editor, or the "update" button.

Good luck!
-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Not "a lot of desktops" -- 80% of desktops. *Most *desktops. 

Ok. Rebooted. I also turned off my add blocker and privacy badger. Was able 
to create an empty edition. Hurrah!

But then I tried entering a path to an existing data folder, and got the 2 
byte settings file again.

The main problem appears to be that settings gets written over as a 2 byte 
file when using the manual settings option. Even if it doesn't like the 
file path I give it, that shouldn't make it write a corrupt settings file.

Remember also that the "field" field has a focus problem, making it 
infuriatingly difficult to write a proper name their. That suggests 
something is wrong with the code, since the path entry does not have the 
same problem.

Maybe I should try again and completely skip the manual settings tab.

-- Mark


On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 8:15:35 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> A lot of desktops use it but that doesn't get me anything. The windows exe 
> file is also two levels of things that I don't use, windows and BobEXE, 
> which means I put a lot of time and effort into debugging something that I 
> can't test and that I don't use.
>
> I probably won't actually drop support, but I can dream. Its refusal to 
> play well with others makes my life more difficult.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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A lot of desktops use it but that doesn't get me anything. The windows exe 
file is also two levels of things that I don't use, windows and BobEXE, 
which means I put a lot of time and effort into debugging something that I 
can't test and that I don't use.

I probably won't actually drop support, but I can dream. Its refusal to 
play well with others makes my life more difficult.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm rebooting my computer to see if there were any memory problems (typing 
from a Linux machine, while waiting for infernal Windows updates to 
complete).

Dropping support for windows? 80% of desktops/laptops are running windows.

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:46:36 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Ok, then it sounds like the windows build is somehow corrupted if it is 
> missing documentation tiddlers. There may also be some problems with 
> windows and its weird pathing. If I remember correctly I had trouble before 
> because windows doesn't understand cwd the same way as every other system 
> so that may be part of what is causing the trouble. Problems like this make 
> me just want to drop windows support.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Ok, then it sounds like the windows build is somehow corrupted if it is 
missing documentation tiddlers. There may also be some problems with 
windows and its weird pathing. If I remember correctly I had trouble before 
because windows doesn't understand cwd the same way as every other system 
so that may be part of what is causing the trouble. Problems like this make 
me just want to drop windows support.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Yes, IndexWiki works. 



On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:25:35 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It sounds like either the window executable didn't compile correctly or 
> there are some very strange interactions between my code and windows paths. 
> The path you mentioned a few post ago was to the tiddlers folder, not where 
> the tiddlywiki.info file is which is why I mentioned it.
>
> Does the IndexWiki work? Can you create and edit tiddlers in it and have 
> them save correctly?
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

It sounds like either the window executable didn't compile correctly or 
there are some very strange interactions between my code and windows paths. 
The path you mentioned a few post ago was to the tiddlers folder, not where 
the tiddlywiki.info file is which is why I mentioned it.

Does the IndexWiki work? Can you create and edit tiddlers in it and have 
them save correctly?

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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I was using BobExe on windows 7, home 64.

Yes, I was using the path to the folder with tiddlywiki.info. The 
tiddlywiki.info path was part of a data tiddler used previously by 
tiddlyserver.  I also tried it with a path to the empty editions 
tiddlywiki.info folder of tiddlywiki from the TW github repository. I also 
tried just making a new Wiki.

The big problem seems to be that the settings file is written over as a 2 
byte file. But even when I hand-populate it, it gets ignored.

You really haven't used windows since 3.1 ? 

-- Mark

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 2:22:24 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Are you using BobEXE or the plugin? How did you install the plugin if that 
> is what you are using? I haven't been able to replicate anything you have 
> mentioned on linux or osx using BobEXE or Bob as a plugin. I don't have 
> access to a windows computer to test on.
>
> And the path isn't to the tiddlers folder, it is to the folder that has 
> the tiddlywiki.info file. I have no idea how windows handles spaces in 
> path names, the last time I regularly used windows it was 3.1 and you 
> couldn't have spaces in paths.
>
> The missing exporting wikis link leads me to believe that you somehow 
> don't have the full plugin somehow.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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Mark,

Are you using BobEXE or the plugin? How did you install the plugin if that 
is what you are using? I haven't been able to replicate anything you have 
mentioned on linux or osx using BobEXE or Bob as a plugin. I don't have 
access to a windows computer to test on.

And the path isn't to the tiddlers folder, it is to the folder that has the 
tiddlywiki.info file. I have no idea how windows handles spaces in path 
names, the last time I regularly used windows it was 3.1 and you couldn't 
have spaces in paths.

The missing exporting wikis link leads me to believe that you somehow don't 
have the full plugin somehow.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If I take the 92 byte file and manually restart Bob, Bob still ignores the 
new settings -- they don't show up in the editor and the new wiki doesn't 
appear in the wiki listing.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:57:05 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Deleted the artifacts Bob had made, and started again. When Bob first 
> starts, Bob has settings.json with about 92 bytes of data. After you 
> attempt to make changes, it generates a 2 byte file.
>
> -- Mark
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Deleted the artifacts Bob had made, and started again. When Bob first 
starts, Bob has settings.json with about 92 bytes of data. After you 
attempt to make changes, it generates a 2 byte file.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:40:46 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I take it back. When I restart Bob, the wiki settings I had previously 
> inserted are gone.
>
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Looking in the settings directory, settings.json only has 2 bytes: {}
>>
>> So, where is it saving settings? They seem to save, though they don't do 
>> anything.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 7:53:15 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you running out of names for bread products, BTW? 
>>>
>>> Win 64, Firefox 64
>>>
>>> Not much luck.
>>>
>>> Attempted to create "test" wiki. After pressing button, Bob will erase 
>>> the contents of the name field. No wiki appears in the listing.
>>>
>>> In the help text there is a missing link "see exporting wikis"
>>>
>>> Attempted to add existing data folder. 
>>>
>>> First, had that problem where every single keystroke lost focus and had 
>>> to be re-moused.
>>>
>>> Second, no wiki was found/launched.
>>>
>>> I could be using the right address. It's a windows absolute address, 
>>> entered as C:\Users\Mark\Google Drive\wikis\scribbles\tiddlers
>>>
>>> Not sure how to deal with the space in the name or if it makes a 
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> So, so far, only have managed to launch the Bob dashboard.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 6:01:27 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:

 There are some big changes in this release!!

 BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you 
 must go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control 
 panel and click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the 
 checkbox checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your 
 Wikis folder will be incorrect.

 The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis 
 that are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of 
 wikis the folder.
 It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
 button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.

 You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
 subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
 the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
 wiki in a folder called Me.

 Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server 
 that we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.

 The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
 https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
 The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
 https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases

 If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
 https://www.patreon.com/OokTech

 or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
 https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE

 Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:

 !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

 - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
 - General improvements to message handling
 - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
 always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
 - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis 
 folder or subfolders
 - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
 - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
 username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently 
 only 
 relevant with the secure server)
 - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
 path/to/wiki/wikiName
 - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field 
 from being properly synced.
 - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
 active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
 - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
 connected
 - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will 
 be listed.

 !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry

 - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
 - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
 from the load function
 - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
 - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
 - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions 
 to view.
 - You can now set the default folder for storing 

[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I take it back. When I restart Bob, the wiki settings I had previously 
inserted are gone.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Looking in the settings directory, settings.json only has 2 bytes: {}
>
> So, where is it saving settings? They seem to save, though they don't do 
> anything.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 7:53:15 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Are you running out of names for bread products, BTW? 
>>
>> Win 64, Firefox 64
>>
>> Not much luck.
>>
>> Attempted to create "test" wiki. After pressing button, Bob will erase 
>> the contents of the name field. No wiki appears in the listing.
>>
>> In the help text there is a missing link "see exporting wikis"
>>
>> Attempted to add existing data folder. 
>>
>> First, had that problem where every single keystroke lost focus and had 
>> to be re-moused.
>>
>> Second, no wiki was found/launched.
>>
>> I could be using the right address. It's a windows absolute address, 
>> entered as C:\Users\Mark\Google Drive\wikis\scribbles\tiddlers
>>
>> Not sure how to deal with the space in the name or if it makes a 
>> difference.
>>
>> So, so far, only have managed to launch the Bob dashboard.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 6:01:27 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
>>> There are some big changes in this release!!
>>>
>>> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
>>> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
>>> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
>>> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
>>> will be incorrect.
>>>
>>> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
>>> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
>>> the folder.
>>> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
>>> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>>>
>>> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
>>> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
>>> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
>>> wiki in a folder called Me.
>>>
>>> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server 
>>> that we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>>>
>>> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
>>> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
>>> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
>>> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>>>
>>> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
>>> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>>>
>>> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
>>> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>>>
>>> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>>>
>>> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>>>
>>> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
>>> - General improvements to message handling
>>> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
>>> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
>>> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis 
>>> folder or subfolders
>>> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
>>> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
>>> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
>>> relevant with the secure server)
>>> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
>>> path/to/wiki/wikiName
>>> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field 
>>> from being properly synced.
>>> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
>>> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
>>> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
>>> connected
>>> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will 
>>> be listed.
>>>
>>> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>>>
>>> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
>>> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
>>> from the load function
>>> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
>>> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
>>> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions 
>>> to view.
>>> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
>>> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
>>> executable) or an absolute path.
>>> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis 
>>> folder
>>> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
>>> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
>>> them from the list.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Looking in the settings directory, settings.json only has 2 bytes: {}

So, where is it saving settings? They seem to save, though they don't do 
anything.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 7:53:15 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Are you running out of names for bread products, BTW? 
>
> Win 64, Firefox 64
>
> Not much luck.
>
> Attempted to create "test" wiki. After pressing button, Bob will erase the 
> contents of the name field. No wiki appears in the listing.
>
> In the help text there is a missing link "see exporting wikis"
>
> Attempted to add existing data folder. 
>
> First, had that problem where every single keystroke lost focus and had to 
> be re-moused.
>
> Second, no wiki was found/launched.
>
> I could be using the right address. It's a windows absolute address, 
> entered as C:\Users\Mark\Google Drive\wikis\scribbles\tiddlers
>
> Not sure how to deal with the space in the name or if it makes a 
> difference.
>
> So, so far, only have managed to launch the Bob dashboard.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 6:01:27 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> There are some big changes in this release!!
>>
>> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
>> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
>> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
>> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
>> will be incorrect.
>>
>> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
>> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
>> the folder.
>> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
>> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>>
>> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
>> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
>> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
>> wiki in a folder called Me.
>>
>> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server that 
>> we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>>
>> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
>> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
>> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
>> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>>
>> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
>> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>>
>> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
>> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>>
>> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>>
>> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>>
>> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
>> - General improvements to message handling
>> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
>> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
>> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis folder 
>> or subfolders
>> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
>> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
>> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
>> relevant with the secure server)
>> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
>> path/to/wiki/wikiName
>> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field from 
>> being properly synced.
>> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
>> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
>> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
>> connected
>> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will 
>> be listed.
>>
>> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>>
>> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
>> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
>> from the load function
>> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
>> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
>> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions 
>> to view.
>> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
>> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
>> executable) or an absolute path.
>> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis folder
>> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
>> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
>> them from the list.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Are you running out of names for bread products, BTW? 

Win 64, Firefox 64

Not much luck.

Attempted to create "test" wiki. After pressing button, Bob will erase the 
contents of the name field. No wiki appears in the listing.

In the help text there is a missing link "see exporting wikis"

Attempted to add existing data folder. 

First, had that problem where every single keystroke lost focus and had to 
be re-moused.

Second, no wiki was found/launched.

I could be using the right address. It's a windows absolute address, 
entered as C:\Users\Mark\Google Drive\wikis\scribbles\tiddlers

Not sure how to deal with the space in the name or if it makes a difference.

So, so far, only have managed to launch the Bob dashboard.

Thanks!
-- Mark


On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 6:01:27 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There are some big changes in this release!!
>
> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
> will be incorrect.
>
> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
> the folder.
> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>
> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
> wiki in a folder called Me.
>
> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server that 
> we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>
> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>
> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
> - General improvements to message handling
> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis folder 
> or subfolders
> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
> relevant with the secure server)
> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
> path/to/wiki/wikiName
> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field from 
> being properly synced.
> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
> connected
> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will be 
> listed.
>
> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>
> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
> from the load function
> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions to 
> view.
> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
> executable) or an absolute path.
> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis folder
> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
> them from the list.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Riz]

No. I am testing it on a fresh install of everything including tiddlywiki. The 
problem happens from the get go. 

Slow hardware could be the culprit here. Although, as I said, previous version 
worked well in termux.

Let me know if any other info I can provide. 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

I updated BobEXE so it should have the correct version now. Let me know if 
there are more problems.

Mark,

There is a lot of documentation in the Bob Settings tab, including about 
how to serve external files. I am sure there are a lot of holes in it but 
it is there. I am not sure where else to put it.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I feel there must be a page I'm missing somewhere with additional 
documentation. Or maybe it appears when it is installed? I don't see 
anything about external files, for instance.

Thanks !
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Riz,

After looking at it a bit more I think that the only way that you would get 
that error is if you have autoUnloadWikis set to true. Now that I am 
looking closer I see that there could be times on slower hardware when the 
root wiki could be unloaded before you can load it. So if you have 
autoUnloadWikis set to true remove that setting and see if the problem 
persists.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Riz,

It looks like the only way to get that error in the screenshot is if the 
root wiki doesn't exist. This may be because of the changes to how the 
pathing works between the old and new version. If you have the root wiki in 
the Wikis folder and listed as a relative path in settings.js try removing 
the 'Wiki' part of the path. So if the path is './Wikis/IndexWiki' change 
it to './IndexWiki'

If that isn't the problem than I am not sure what the problem is. Either 
way I am going to give a better message for your situation.

I am not sure why you wouldn't be able to edit javascript files. I will 
look into it and see if I can find anything. It may be a problem with how 
Bob handles .meta files, I haven't been able to test that as much as I 
would like.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[TonyM]

I did not want To impose.

I will give more feedback, the features mean a lot to me.

I will try the rerelease.

I am also about to identify a plugin that appears to abend bob just on import.

Thanks
Tony

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:
>
> I Will review what Josiah/TiddlyTweeter documented, but I imagine it is 
> changing rapidly.
>

I'm not sure those notes I wrote are fully current now. However there are 
two issues on setup that they cover that are. These are both issues I would 
not expect Jed to have to deal with as they as much about the Windows O/S 
as Bob. They relate to scripting to launch external programs ... the core 
points being ...

-- launching Dos level commands via scripting on Windows its best to launch 
into a new command processor to prevent the main Bob session terminating.

-- launching Windows programs you need to understand the particular 
program's way of handling pathing. Whilst Bob scripts always execute in the 
right place, some programs (e.g. some file browsers) don't honour that. In 
those cases you may need to take steps to force them to behave on pathing 
as you want.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Argh, somehow I managed to upload a version that doesn't have the updated 
version of Bob and I was doing testing with a version that did have it.

I will update it when I get home in a few hours. Sorry about that.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> ... as it is I get very little feedback about the development and I have 
> no idea which features people care about and which ones they have trouble 
> using
>

I do think its important you get feedback. Bob is rich software. I'll use 
the new version a few days then comment.

FWIW, I find the docs basically clear. 

One thing I do suggest is that the "Configuration.md" 
(https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/blob/master/Configuration.md) is 
included in the Bob.EXE version. Its very helpful to understand how to hone 
a setup.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[Jed Carty]

Tony,

We are working on more documentation, but as it is I get very little 
feedback about the development and I have no idea which features people 
care about and which ones they have trouble using. Also if you don't see 
the button than something strange is going on. Are you looking at the tab 
in the control panel? It isn't in the list of wikis that you can have in 
the sidebar.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

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if you are using absolute paths to wikis instead of creating them through 
the interface in the control panel or they are not in the wikis folder it 
should work fine without any changes.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[TonyM]

Jed,

I upgraded bobEXE but "*Auto-populate list from Wikis folder"* does not 
appear, however the existing ones are all there and *the links to existing 
wikis work.*

*BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
will be incorrect.*



Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 1:01:27 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There are some big changes in this release!!
>
> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
> will be incorrect.
>
> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
> the folder.
> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>
> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
> wiki in a folder called Me.
>
> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server that 
> we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>
> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>
> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
> - General improvements to message handling
> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis folder 
> or subfolders
> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
> relevant with the secure server)
> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
> path/to/wiki/wikiName
> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field from 
> being properly synced.
> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
> connected
> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will be 
> listed.
>
> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>
> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
> from the load function
> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions to 
> view.
> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
> executable) or an absolute path.
> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis folder
> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
> them from the list.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

[TonyM]

Jed,

Thanks you so much for developing this fantastic tool further. I am excited 
about all the features you put in, I currently use Bob exe to manage a 
number of Wikis, but Without shared or inter-wiki features.

To be honest I still have trouble translating how to achieve things you say 
it can do. I would be keen if you could be a little more verbose in the 
documentation, for new naive users, give more examples etc... But I Know 
this is difficult and I have offered to do documentation for you, however I 
have not yet being able to understand the features I would document yet, so 
I am a little stuck. I Will review what Josiah/TiddlyTweeter documented, 
but I imagine it is changing rapidly.

I am also keen to eventually host in an Online node environment, starting 
with a secure personal TiddlyWiki network.

Regards
Tony



On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 1:01:27 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There are some big changes in this release!!
>
> BIG IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are updating from a previous version you must 
> go into the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings in the control panel and 
> click the button 'Auto-populate list from Wikis folder' with the checkbox 
> checked. Otherwise all of the paths to existing wikis in your Wikis folder 
> will be incorrect.
>
> The biggest is that Bob can now detect and automatically list wikis that 
> are in your Wikis folder. You can also change the name and path of wikis 
> the folder.
> It can also optionally remove any links to wikis that don't exist. The 
> button that does this is in the Available Wikis tab under Bob Settings.
>
> You can give wiki names with / in them and they will be placed in 
> subfolders of your wikis folder. So giving the name people/Me would create 
> the folder people in your wikis folder (if it doesn't exist) and make the 
> wiki in a folder called Me.
>
> Many of the other changes are in preparation for setting up a server that 
> we will allow people to host wikis on. More about that later.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
>
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> Here is the full changelog since the last announcement:
>
> !! Version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly
>
> - Don't sync tiddlers that start with `$:/WikiSettings`
> - General improvements to message handling
> - You can now give a path (absolute or relative) for wikis instead of 
> always making wikis in the `./Wikis` folder.
> - Bob can now automatically detect and list any wikis in the wikis folder 
> or subfolders
> - Wikis that are listed but don't exist can also optionally be removed.
> - If you are logged in you can set new wikis to be prefixed by your 
> username to prevent naming collisions on multi-user systems.(currently only 
> relevant with the secure server)
> - You can make new wikis in subfolders by giving a name like 
> path/to/wiki/wikiName
> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes prevent changes to the tags field from 
> being properly synced.
> - Optionally set the server to automatically unload wikis that have no 
> active connections to reduce ram usage (experimental)
> - Automatically close and remove socket objects that are no logner 
> connected
> - If you have authentication only wikis you are authorised to view will be 
> listed.
>
> !! Version 1.1.2 Unnamed Pastry
>
> - The control panel tab has been refactored a bit (few visible changes)
> - Separate the function that lets you determine if a wiki exists or not 
> from the load function
> - This lets us list only wikis that actually exist
> - This may let us automatically detect available wikis in the future
> - The available wikis listing now only shows wikis you have permissions to 
> view.
> - You can now set the default folder for storing wikis
> - It can be relative to the tiddlywiki folder (or the folder with the 
> executable) or an absolute path.
> - You can now automatically detect wikis that are inside your wikis folder
> - This can automatically populate settings.json for you
> - This can also detect wikis that are listed but don't exist and remove 
> them from the list.
>

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