Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

I've been very happy using waterfox classic as a browser. It is based
on the older firefox code and runs the TiddlyFox extension quite
happily. It also has the advantage of running other extensions that
died when firefox changed such as Tab Mix Plus, which I really missed
when Firefox forcibly removed it from my browser. This doesn't require
installing anything else in the least bit techie to keep your
tiddlywikis alive.

I have two fallbacks in case I loose that option in the future. One is
tiddly desktop, but it doesn't really fit with the way I use TW. I
need it to be in a browser tab. The other is MainTiddlyServer, but
that requires having php installed and running. I discovered I can use
php's internal server & don't need apache and all the security issues
it could create. Installing php isn't so hard.


On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 10:40, Boaz Nash  wrote:
>
> Thank you for the response, Yakov.
>
> I have created an issue:
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues/40
>
> Best regards,
> Boaz
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:30 AM Yakov  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Boaz,
>>
>>> I have been saving tiddlywiki changes using timimi for awhile now and it's 
>>> been working great.
>>> Unfortunately, I just updated my MacOS to Catalina, and now when I try to 
>>> save in Firefox, I get the error message
>>> ""timimi" cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified".
>>> I tried to override this security issue, but I can't seem to figure out how 
>>> to do so.
>>
>>
>> this is not nice indeed. Would you mind opening an issue on Github?
>> Do you remember what version of MacOS did you have before that update? And 
>> what version of Firefox you have now? (the problem took place when you only 
>> updated MacOS, not Firefox, did it?)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yakov.
>>
>>> Advice would be appreciated.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Boaz
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Yakov  wrote:

 Hi Alex,

> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello 
> there
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to 
> save
> changes to a TW file.
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
> conflicts, but no luck.
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use 
> the
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else?


 Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app? The 
 extension page tells to check out installation details in the docs but I 
 guess one may miss the main point (the necessity to install an app besides 
 the extension) since they have to find the installation guide and follow 
 the additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform 
 from releases and launch it). Please let me know if that helps; I'll 
 probably propose some changes to improve this aspect anyway.

> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list 
> back
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as 
> a
> forum rather than a mailing-list.


 Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I always 
 thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you somehow, let 
 me know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor user 
 experience for you for some reason?)

 Best regards,
 Yakov.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Thank you for the response, Yakov.

I have created an issue:
https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues/40

Best regards,
Boaz

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:30 AM Yakov 
wrote:

> Hi Boaz,
>
> I have been saving tiddlywiki changes using timimi for awhile now and it's
>> been working great.
>> Unfortunately, I just updated my MacOS to Catalina, and now when I try to
>> save in Firefox, I get the error message
>> ""timimi" cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified".
>> I tried to override this security issue, but I can't seem to figure out
>> how to do so.
>>
>
> this is not nice indeed. Would you mind opening an issue on Github
> ?
> Do you remember what version of MacOS did you have before that update? And
> what version of Firefox you have now? (the problem took place when you only
> updated MacOS, not Firefox, did it?)
>
> Best regards,
> Yakov.
>
> Advice would be appreciated.
>> Best regards,
>> Boaz
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Yakov  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello
 there
 / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to
 save
 changes to a TW file.

 I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
 conflicts, but no luck.

 Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use
 the
 usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something
 else?

>>>
>>> Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app?
>>> The extension page 
>>> tells to check out installation details in the docs but I guess one may
>>> miss the main point (the necessity to install an app besides the extension)
>>> since they have to find the installation guide
>>>  and follow the
>>> additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform from
>>> releases  and launch it).
>>> Please let me know if that helps; I'll probably propose some changes to
>>> improve this aspect anyway.
>>>
>>> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC
 list back
 in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up
 as a
 forum rather than a mailing-list.

>>>
>>> Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I
>>> always thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you somehow,
>>> let me know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor
>>> user experience for you for some reason?)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Yakov.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Yakov]

Hi Boaz,

I have been saving tiddlywiki changes using timimi for awhile now and it's 
> been working great.
> Unfortunately, I just updated my MacOS to Catalina, and now when I try to 
> save in Firefox, I get the error message
> ""timimi" cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified".
> I tried to override this security issue, but I can't seem to figure out 
> how to do so.
>

this is not nice indeed. Would you mind opening an issue on Github 
?
Do you remember what version of MacOS did you have before that update? And 
what version of Firefox you have now? (the problem took place when you only 
updated MacOS, not Firefox, did it?)

Best regards,
Yakov.

Advice would be appreciated.
> Best regards,
> Boaz
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Yakov  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello 
>>> there 
>>> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to 
>>> save 
>>> changes to a TW file. 
>>>
>>> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any 
>>> conflicts, but no luck. 
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use 
>>> the 
>>> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something 
>>> else? 
>>>
>>
>> Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app? The 
>> extension 
>> page  tells to 
>> check out installation details in the docs but I guess one may miss the 
>> main point (the necessity to install an app besides the extension) since 
>> they have to find the installation guide 
>>  and follow the 
>> additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform from 
>> releases  and launch it). 
>> Please let me know if that helps; I'll probably propose some changes to 
>> improve this aspect anyway.
>>
>> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list 
>>> back 
>>> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up 
>>> as a 
>>> forum rather than a mailing-list. 
>>>
>>  
>> Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I 
>> always thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you somehow, 
>> let me know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor 
>> user experience for you for some reason?)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yakov.
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Sebastian Theilhaber]

Na - I'm not. 

Like it too much and invested far far too much...

That would have to be a major earthquake style event...

The save-function-frustration got me at times in the past, but with my 
current arrangement I am quite happy. 
That is: I simply close the tiddler (which will save the file - looking at 
the timestamp) and then "command-s(ave)" the file according to the "tower 
of Hanoi" sequence. 
That works good enough for me. 
I am used to a lot more clicking in the past, so over all, my situation has 
effectively improved. 

I will have no chance of learning any degree of coding in the foreseeable 
future and all comments I read about this over time seem to indicated that 
it's a complex issue to get to work.

Your encouragement is appreciated. 

Cheers, S

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 12:39:37 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Never Give up on TiddlyWiki without giving these forums the chance to help.
>
> Many of us do not have the problems you face/d because we used other 
> solutions, although I can't comment on the latest MAC OS I am confident, I 
> still have half a dozen workarounds.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 2:35:27 PM UTC+10, Sebastian Theilhaber wrote:
>>
>> Oh man do I hear you...
>>
>> I used to use the file backup from pmario and it's worked for me for 
>> years, however, broke to the point that effectively I had to click through 
>> to save the file- and backup-save every time by hand. 
>>
>> That however completely broke down when moving on to FF74 (I'm a fan of 
>> up-to-date-apps). 
>>
>> However, I found that:
>> A) closing tiddlers / build-in save-function reliably saves the file 
>> every single time,
>> B) hitting "command-s" (since it's a Mac), choosing the "right" 
>> backup-file to replace + enter does it just as well. In fact with 
>> considerably less hassle. 
>>
>> I use the "tower of Hanoi"-method with backups from A to E and just tick 
>> off the on a piece of paper. 
>>
>> Far from ideal (and I find amazing to think that such a great piece of 
>> software lacks THIS really really - from the consumer perspective, because 
>> that's all I CAN be - functionality) but it works well enough for me, in 
>> fact better than the extension...
>>
>> I have been at the brink of "leaving TW behind" a number of times over 
>> the years ONLY because of that. 
>> Only reason (at times) I didn't: no competitor for me (running a server 
>> for a wiki or so is not an option for me). 
>> I have invested A LOT of time in "my" file. It's become very dear and I 
>> take no chances as far as backups are concerned. 
>> I'm also backing up the backups, believe me, you do not ever want to be 
>> in that kind of pain to lost this much of work
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 8:33:51 PM UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> Edited again: 3-22-2020 After getting a storm of notifications on 
>>> tiddler regarding saving tiddly files I decided to see what's actually 
>>> going on.
>>>
>>> On https://tiddlywiki.com/ Getting Started I found everything I needed 
>>> to know. I upgraded 5.1.14 to 5.1.21 here 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html without a problem. I routinely use 
>>> Tiddly desktop but also have Timmi and Node.js (which is confusing & 
>>> complicated to me, so I stick with what I know)
>>>
>>> When I originally posted here Firefox had just destroyed their browser, 
>>> v57 leaving the Tiddly team in a mess. They have since resolved these 
>>> issues x10. Firefox and Chrome both are have chosen to develop their 
>>> browsers in a number of ways not friendly to folks who create add-ons or 
>>> products like Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Never Give up on TiddlyWiki without giving these forums the chance to help.

Many of us do not have the problems you face/d because we used other 
solutions, although I can't comment on the latest MAC OS I am confident, I 
still have half a dozen workarounds.

Regards
Tony



On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 2:35:27 PM UTC+10, Sebastian Theilhaber wrote:
>
> Oh man do I hear you...
>
> I used to use the file backup from pmario and it's worked for me for 
> years, however, broke to the point that effectively I had to click through 
> to save the file- and backup-save every time by hand. 
>
> That however completely broke down when moving on to FF74 (I'm a fan of 
> up-to-date-apps). 
>
> However, I found that:
> A) closing tiddlers / build-in save-function reliably saves the file every 
> single time,
> B) hitting "command-s" (since it's a Mac), choosing the "right" 
> backup-file to replace + enter does it just as well. In fact with 
> considerably less hassle. 
>
> I use the "tower of Hanoi"-method with backups from A to E and just tick 
> off the on a piece of paper. 
>
> Far from ideal (and I find amazing to think that such a great piece of 
> software lacks THIS really really - from the consumer perspective, because 
> that's all I CAN be - functionality) but it works well enough for me, in 
> fact better than the extension...
>
> I have been at the brink of "leaving TW behind" a number of times over the 
> years ONLY because of that. 
> Only reason (at times) I didn't: no competitor for me (running a server 
> for a wiki or so is not an option for me). 
> I have invested A LOT of time in "my" file. It's become very dear and I 
> take no chances as far as backups are concerned. 
> I'm also backing up the backups, believe me, you do not ever want to be in 
> that kind of pain to lost this much of work
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 8:33:51 PM UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>> Edited again: 3-22-2020 After getting a storm of notifications on tiddler 
>> regarding saving tiddly files I decided to see what's actually going on.
>>
>> On https://tiddlywiki.com/ Getting Started I found everything I needed 
>> to know. I upgraded 5.1.14 to 5.1.21 here 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html without a problem. I routinely use 
>> Tiddly desktop but also have Timmi and Node.js (which is confusing & 
>> complicated to me, so I stick with what I know)
>>
>> When I originally posted here Firefox had just destroyed their browser, 
>> v57 leaving the Tiddly team in a mess. They have since resolved these 
>> issues x10. Firefox and Chrome both are have chosen to develop their 
>> browsers in a number of ways not friendly to folks who create add-ons or 
>> products like Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Sebastian Theilhaber]

I'm not sure whether or not you are asking me to share my thoughts on this 
- here they are:

I'm that kind of person who isn't equipped - and doesn't have the time to 
invest - in managing github-stuff.
The readme sounds complicated comparing to my current management (which 
really only involves a couple of clicks & keeping track of the sequence - 
for one file), hence, there is no need for me.
Curiosity could also do it for me but it doesn't sound anything like I 
could enjoy doing, hence, I have intention to try at this point. 

Hope I didn't waste your time, 

Cheers, Sebastian

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 11:58:02 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The polly project (https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/) has been looking 
> for 
> feedback from Mac users. Polly basically leverages the default download
> saver, restoring your files from the download directory to your original 
> working
> directory. Alas, it uses Powershell as the intermediary tool, which some 
> people
> won't like. The advantages of this approach
>
>
>- No binary executables
>- Human-readable batch script.
>- No special plugins in your TiddlyWiki file
>- No special browser required
>- No browser extension required.
>- No need for node.exe running in background
>- Total size expanded package only 100k
>- Backups as regular file and/or zip to specified directories
>- The ability to "parrot" extra copies to target directories (e.g. a 
>Dropbox folder)
>
> I've been using it on Linux and Windows. The next release (already in the 
> master branch) should
> allow the backup of an entire directory rather than just specified file. 
> Mac may be more restrictive
> with permissions than Linux or Windows. I'm sure at a minimum a user will 
> need to set some
> 744 settings on a launcher file, since that's what I needed on Linux. 
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 9:35:27 PM UTC-7, Sebastian Theilhaber wrote:
>>
>> Oh man do I hear you...
>>
>> I used to use the file backup from pmario and it's worked for me for 
>> years, however, broke to the point that effectively I had to click through 
>> to save the file- and backup-save every time by hand. 
>>
>> That however completely broke down when moving on to FF74 (I'm a fan of 
>> up-to-date-apps). 
>>
>> However, I found that:
>> A) closing tiddlers / build-in save-function reliably saves the file 
>> every single time,
>> B) hitting "command-s" (since it's a Mac), choosing the "right" 
>> backup-file to replace + enter does it just as well. In fact with 
>> considerably less hassle. 
>>
>> I use the "tower of Hanoi"-method with backups from A to E and just tick 
>> off the on a piece of paper. 
>>
>> Far from ideal (and I find amazing to think that such a great piece of 
>> software lacks THIS really really - from the consumer perspective, because 
>> that's all I CAN be - functionality) but it works well enough for me, in 
>> fact better than the extension...
>>
>> I have been at the brink of "leaving TW behind" a number of times over 
>> the years ONLY because of that. 
>> Only reason (at times) I didn't: no competitor for me (running a server 
>> for a wiki or so is not an option for me). 
>> I have invested A LOT of time in "my" file. It's become very dear and I 
>> take no chances as far as backups are concerned. 
>> I'm also backing up the backups, believe me, you do not ever want to be 
>> in that kind of pain to lost this much of work
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 8:33:51 PM UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> Edited again: 3-22-2020 After getting a storm of notifications on 
>>> tiddler regarding saving tiddly files I decided to see what's actually 
>>> going on.
>>>
>>> On https://tiddlywiki.com/ Getting Started I found everything I needed 
>>> to know. I upgraded 5.1.14 to 5.1.21 here 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html without a problem. I routinely use 
>>> Tiddly desktop but also have Timmi and Node.js (which is confusing & 
>>> complicated to me, so I stick with what I know)
>>>
>>> When I originally posted here Firefox had just destroyed their browser, 
>>> v57 leaving the Tiddly team in a mess. They have since resolved these 
>>> issues x10. Firefox and Chrome both are have chosen to develop their 
>>> browsers in a number of ways not friendly to folks who create add-ons or 
>>> products like Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The polly project (https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/) has been looking for 
feedback from Mac users. Polly basically leverages the default download
saver, restoring your files from the download directory to your original 
working
directory. Alas, it uses Powershell as the intermediary tool, which some 
people
won't like. The advantages of this approach


   - No binary executables
   - Human-readable batch script.
   - No special plugins in your TiddlyWiki file
   - No special browser required
   - No browser extension required.
   - No need for node.exe running in background
   - Total size expanded package only 100k
   - Backups as regular file and/or zip to specified directories
   - The ability to "parrot" extra copies to target directories (e.g. a 
   Dropbox folder)

I've been using it on Linux and Windows. The next release (already in the 
master branch) should
allow the backup of an entire directory rather than just specified file. 
Mac may be more restrictive
with permissions than Linux or Windows. I'm sure at a minimum a user will 
need to set some
744 settings on a launcher file, since that's what I needed on Linux. 

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 9:35:27 PM UTC-7, Sebastian Theilhaber wrote:
>
> Oh man do I hear you...
>
> I used to use the file backup from pmario and it's worked for me for 
> years, however, broke to the point that effectively I had to click through 
> to save the file- and backup-save every time by hand. 
>
> That however completely broke down when moving on to FF74 (I'm a fan of 
> up-to-date-apps). 
>
> However, I found that:
> A) closing tiddlers / build-in save-function reliably saves the file every 
> single time,
> B) hitting "command-s" (since it's a Mac), choosing the "right" 
> backup-file to replace + enter does it just as well. In fact with 
> considerably less hassle. 
>
> I use the "tower of Hanoi"-method with backups from A to E and just tick 
> off the on a piece of paper. 
>
> Far from ideal (and I find amazing to think that such a great piece of 
> software lacks THIS really really - from the consumer perspective, because 
> that's all I CAN be - functionality) but it works well enough for me, in 
> fact better than the extension...
>
> I have been at the brink of "leaving TW behind" a number of times over the 
> years ONLY because of that. 
> Only reason (at times) I didn't: no competitor for me (running a server 
> for a wiki or so is not an option for me). 
> I have invested A LOT of time in "my" file. It's become very dear and I 
> take no chances as far as backups are concerned. 
> I'm also backing up the backups, believe me, you do not ever want to be in 
> that kind of pain to lost this much of work
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 8:33:51 PM UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>> Edited again: 3-22-2020 After getting a storm of notifications on tiddler 
>> regarding saving tiddly files I decided to see what's actually going on.
>>
>> On https://tiddlywiki.com/ Getting Started I found everything I needed 
>> to know. I upgraded 5.1.14 to 5.1.21 here 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html without a problem. I routinely use 
>> Tiddly desktop but also have Timmi and Node.js (which is confusing & 
>> complicated to me, so I stick with what I know)
>>
>> When I originally posted here Firefox had just destroyed their browser, 
>> v57 leaving the Tiddly team in a mess. They have since resolved these 
>> issues x10. Firefox and Chrome both are have chosen to develop their 
>> browsers in a number of ways not friendly to folks who create add-ons or 
>> products like Tiddlywiki.
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Sebastian Theilhaber]

Oh man do I hear you...

I used to use the file backup from pmario and it's worked for me for years, 
however, broke to the point that effectively I had to click through to save 
the file- and backup-save every time by hand. 

That however completely broke down when moving on to FF74 (I'm a fan of 
up-to-date-apps). 

However, I found that:
A) closing tiddlers / build-in save-function reliably saves the file every 
single time,
B) hitting "command-s" (since it's a Mac), choosing the "right" backup-file 
to replace + enter does it just as well. In fact with considerably less 
hassle. 

I use the "tower of Hanoi"-method with backups from A to E and just tick 
off the on a piece of paper. 

Far from ideal (and I find amazing to think that such a great piece of 
software lacks THIS really really - from the consumer perspective, because 
that's all I CAN be - functionality) but it works well enough for me, in 
fact better than the extension...

I have been at the brink of "leaving TW behind" a number of times over the 
years ONLY because of that. 
Only reason (at times) I didn't: no competitor for me (running a server for 
a wiki or so is not an option for me). 
I have invested A LOT of time in "my" file. It's become very dear and I 
take no chances as far as backups are concerned. 
I'm also backing up the backups, believe me, you do not ever want to be in 
that kind of pain to lost this much of work

Hope that helps.

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 8:33:51 PM UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>
> Edited again: 3-22-2020 After getting a storm of notifications on tiddler 
> regarding saving tiddly files I decided to see what's actually going on.
>
> On https://tiddlywiki.com/ Getting Started I found everything I needed to 
> know. I upgraded 5.1.14 to 5.1.21 here https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html 
> without a problem. I routinely use Tiddly desktop but also have Timmi and 
> Node.js (which is confusing & complicated to me, so I stick with what I 
> know)
>
> When I originally posted here Firefox had just destroyed their browser, 
> v57 leaving the Tiddly team in a mess. They have since resolved these 
> issues x10. Firefox and Chrome both are have chosen to develop their 
> browsers in a number of ways not friendly to folks who create add-ons or 
> products like Tiddlywiki.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Hi all,

I have been saving tiddlywiki changes using timimi for awhile now and it's
been working great.
Unfortunately, I just updated my MacOS to Catalina, and now when I try to
save in Firefox, I get the error message
""timimi" cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified".
I tried to override this security issue, but I can't seem to figure out how
to do so.
Advice would be appreciated.
Best regards,
Boaz

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Yakov 
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello
>> there
>> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to
>> save
>> changes to a TW file.
>>
>> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
>> conflicts, but no luck.
>>
>> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use
>> the
>> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something
>> else?
>>
>
> Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app? The 
> extension
> page  tells to check
> out installation details in the docs but I guess one may miss the main
> point (the necessity to install an app besides the extension) since they
> have to find the installation guide
>  and follow the
> additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform from
> releases  and launch it).
> Please let me know if that helps; I'll probably propose some changes to
> improve this aspect anyway.
>
> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list
>> back
>> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as
>> a
>> forum rather than a mailing-list.
>>
>
> Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I always
> thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you somehow, let me
> know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor user
> experience for you for some reason?)
>
> Best regards,
> Yakov.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Yakov]

Hi Alex,

I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello 
> there 
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to 
> save 
> changes to a TW file. 
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any 
> conflicts, but no luck. 
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use 
> the 
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else? 
>

Hm, have you installed both the browser extension and the native app? The 
extension 
page  tells to check 
out installation details in the docs but I guess one may miss the main 
point (the necessity to install an app besides the extension) since they 
have to find the installation guide 
 and follow the 
additional step from there (download the installer for their paltform from 
releases  and launch it). 
Please let me know if that helps; I'll probably propose some changes to 
improve this aspect anyway.

Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list 
> back 
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as 
> a 
> forum rather than a mailing-list. 
>
 
Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm not quite sure what's the difference (I always 
thought that Google Groups are both), but if I can help you somehow, let me 
know. (have you tried to use it as a forum? is that of very poor user 
experience for you for some reason?)

Best regards,
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

Hi Tony I just looked for TW-Reciever and found it on github. It doesn't
say there if it will work with TW classic. Do you know?


On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 20:25, TonyM  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> That's good, I just know that has being the mistake of many.
>
> Please consider starting a new thread on this problem because it is
> clearly and exception to the old TiddlyFox problems.
>
> You may find it useful if you have not already to start with a fresh
> tiddlywiki and see if you can experience the almost seamless use of Timimi,
> or move to one of a number of node solutions, or TW-Reciever on php. Once
> you have experienced the "Modern" you will have a better understanding and
> it will be easier to address a specific wiki failing to save.
>
> Portableapps.com has a portable firefox if the problem could be in your
> install of firefox.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:04:56 AM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>>
>> > "save changes" links under Admin Tools must be within TiddlyWiki not
>> > Browser menus!
>>
>> Browser menus? I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> Admin Tools is in the right-side menu within TiddlyWiki.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Alex,

That's good, I just know that has being the mistake of many. 

Please consider starting a new thread on this problem because it is clearly 
and exception to the old TiddlyFox problems. 

You may find it useful if you have not already to start with a fresh 
tiddlywiki and see if you can experience the almost seamless use of Timimi, 
or move to one of a number of node solutions, or TW-Reciever on php. Once 
you have experienced the "Modern" you will have a better understanding and 
it will be easier to address a specific wiki failing to save.

Portableapps.com has a portable firefox if the problem could be in your 
install of firefox.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:04:56 AM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> > "save changes" links under Admin Tools must be within TiddlyWiki not 
> > Browser menus! 
>
> Browser menus? I have no idea what you're talking about. 
>
> Admin Tools is in the right-side menu within TiddlyWiki. 
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Alex S. Garcia]

> "save changes" links under Admin Tools must be within TiddlyWiki not
> Browser menus!

Browser menus? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Admin Tools is in the right-side menu within TiddlyWiki.



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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

To be clear,

"save changes" links under Admin Tools must be within TiddlyWiki not 
Browser menus!

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:09:16 AM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> >- yes, Timimi works with it in modern FireFox (with several minor 
> >issues, but generally it works even better than TiddlyFox) 
>
> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello 
> there 
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to 
> save 
> changes to a TW file. 
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any 
> conflicts, but no luck. 
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use 
> the 
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else? 
>
> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list 
> back 
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as 
> a 
> forum rather than a mailing-list. 
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

I'm experimenting with MainTiddlyServer as an option as it will never
depend on browsers & extensions etc and works locally and remotely with a
single 70k file. https://yakovl.github.io/MainTiddlyServer/index.html
It works like a dream on my remote server. On my local server I got 2 kinds
of error messages, but because I understand php I was able to fix them.
They didn't affect functionality however.

To run it locally you need php installed. I've opted for installing php
alone & using its internal server so that I don't need to run apache.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 14:09, Alex S. Garcia  wrote:

> >- yes, Timimi works with it in modern FireFox (with several minor
> >issues, but generally it works even better than TiddlyFox)
>
> I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello
> there
> / Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to
> save
> changes to a TW file.
>
> I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
> conflicts, but no luck.
>
> Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use
> the
> usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else?
>
> Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list
> back
> in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as
> a
> forum rather than a mailing-list.
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Alex S. Garcia]

>- yes, Timimi works with it in modern FireFox (with several minor
>issues, but generally it works even better than TiddlyFox)

I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello there 
/ Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to save 
changes to a TW file.

I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any 
conflicts, but no luck.

Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use the 
usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else?

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in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as a 
forum rather than a mailing-list.



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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Yakov]

Hi everybody,

considering TiddlyWiki Classic:

   - yes, Timimi works with it in modern FireFox (with several minor 
   issues, but generally it works even better than TiddlyFox)
   - yes, I and Mark Kerrigan recently put most of the saving methods 
   together at 
   https://classic.tiddlywiki.com/#%5B%5BSetting%20up%20saving%5D%5D . In the 
   future that one will probably be simplified (for instance, once I adapt 
   Timimi to Chrome there probably will be no much need in other extensions, 
   except for cases of strict security limitations; yet the richer ecosystem 
   is, the better)
  - old FireFox (pre 54) with TiddlyFox is also an option, it's just 
  somewhat outdated, so is not included into the list
  - if you need more assistance, I invite you to the 
   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikiclassic group
   - I haven't tested Beaker Browse, so if anybody shares experience of 
   using it with TWC (especially in the TWC group), I'll be thankful
   
Best regards,

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Birthe C]

It should work, you will find it listed 
https://classic.tiddlywiki.com/#%5B%5BSetting%20up%20saving%5D%5D

Birthe


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> Does timimi work with TW classic or only TW5? 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

Does timimi work with TW classic or only TW5?

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 00:17, Birthe C  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Please do not give up before trying Timimi. Look here for the extra step
> needed https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/#Installing%20Timimi
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Birthe C]

Alex,

Please do not give up before trying Timimi. Look here for the extra step 
needed https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/#Installing%20Timimi

Birthe

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Alex,

With respect I think you only have the problem because you possibly have 
not explored all the currently available solutions. Don't try and use 
obsolete plugins.

There are arguably too many ways to save your tiddlywiki now. 

Please start a new thread and *explain what you want to do*, rather than 
tell us about what is not working when you are using possibly obsolete 
solutions. TiddlyFox died with FF 57+ Timimi is the replacement on Windows, 
others exist for Linux or specific browsers. Personally I also host mine on 
an apache server with tw-receiver, which can be done on linux. But node may 
be your best bet

TiddlyDesktop apparently has a way to share the wikis at local host so you 
can access them with iny browser
Node, bob/bob,exe all allow you to edit and save as to the various saver 
solutions around.

Look at TiddlyServer https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/

Regards
Tony



On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 3:05:41 AM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> > Why would you say "I might have to drop using TW entirely"? 
>
> Because if I can't save changes to TW, then TW becomes useless. 
>
> > *The title and leading posts are out of date and no longer relevant. 
> Almost 
> > 3 years OLD* 
> > [...] 
> > but if you are browser junkie what problem do you have? 
>
> To your point, I am indeed using an even more recent version of Firefox 
> (68.4.1esr) but that doesn't make the issue any less relevant. Plugin is 
> still 
> broken and I still can't save changes. 
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[PMario]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 5:05:41 PM UTC+1, Alex S. Garcia wrote:

To your point, I am indeed using an even more recent version of Firefox 
> (68.4.1esr) but that doesn't make the issue any less relevant. Plugin is 
> still 
> broken and I still can't save changes. 
>

You can use the file-backups AddOn with FireFox, which will allow you to 
save TWs to the browser "downloads" directory _and_ their subfolders. 

The plugin should work with: 68.4.1. ESR  ... 

The "downloads folder" limitation was introduced by all browser vendors, 
due to security concerns for "direct save" to other locations. ... 

At the moment I'm investigating a different possibility using the Cliqz 
browser, which is based on FireFox. It allows to use a "future" but 
experimental API, which should allow us, to use the whole "directory space" 
again. ... After a confirmation dialogue. 

The AddOn can be found at: 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/file-backups/   
The info contains a link to its homepage

have fun!
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Alex S. Garcia]

> Why would you say "I might have to drop using TW entirely"?

Because if I can't save changes to TW, then TW becomes useless.

> *The title and leading posts are out of date and no longer relevant. Almost
> 3 years OLD*
> [...]
> but if you are browser junkie what problem do you have?

To your point, I am indeed using an even more recent version of Firefox 
(68.4.1esr) but that doesn't make the issue any less relevant. Plugin is still 
broken and I still can't save changes.



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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Alex,

Why would you say "I might have to drop using TW entirely"?

*The title and leading posts are out of date and no longer relevant. Almost 
3 years OLD*

I like TiddlyDesktop because I can launch programs and windows explorer 
etc.. in it, I am sure you may be able to launch shell scripts and more. It 
has its place but if you are browser junkie what problem do you have?

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:49:44 PM UTC+11, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> I just downloaded TiddlyDesktop and gave it a shot. It's interesting. 
> Could 
> help as a temporary workaround, though I can't see myself using this 
> indefinitely. It's nowhere near as convenient as editing it in my browser. 
> I 
> might have to drop using TW entirely, though not sure yet what I'd replace 
> it 
> with :( 
>
> BTW, I'm noticing that some stuff doesn't work in TiddlyDesktop. Like 
> clicking 
> on the "Settings", "Help" and "Backstage" buttons at the top. I'm using 
> v0.0.13 for linux. 
>
>
>
> Alex. 
>
>
> On samedi 21 mars 2020 15:36:34 CET 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote: 
> > I can understand that fans of FF want to continue using FF. But if 
> you're 
> > on a desktop, and having to use Beaker, Waterfox, or an old version of 
> FF, 
> > why not just use TiddlyDesktop ? 
> > 
> > On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:33:51 AM UTC-7, Norm Davis wrote: 
> > > Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
> going 
> > > sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new 
> > > Firefox 
> > > 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> > > extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info. 
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Alex S. Garcia]

I just downloaded TiddlyDesktop and gave it a shot. It's interesting. Could 
help as a temporary workaround, though I can't see myself using this 
indefinitely. It's nowhere near as convenient as editing it in my browser. I 
might have to drop using TW entirely, though not sure yet what I'd replace it 
with :(

BTW, I'm noticing that some stuff doesn't work in TiddlyDesktop. Like clicking 
on the "Settings", "Help" and "Backstage" buttons at the top. I'm using 
v0.0.13 for linux.



Alex.


On samedi 21 mars 2020 15:36:34 CET 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:
> I can understand that fans of FF want to continue using FF. But if you're
> on a desktop, and having to use Beaker, Waterfox, or an old version of FF,
> why not just use TiddlyDesktop ?
> 
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:33:51 AM UTC-7, Norm Davis wrote:
> > Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going
> > sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new
> > Firefox
> > 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new
> > extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.


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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Mark

I think people may be clining onto extensions within Firefox no longer 
available since around v57, so tiddlydesktop does not have these extensions, 
however at least some of the former extensions have being re released in 
firefox.

I sympathise with ff and its extensions but I no longer resort to pre v 57. 
This is my current usage.

Everyday I use ff timimi, tiddlydesktop, tiddlyserver and bobexe according to 
the particular need. Typically I use chrome to access single function wikis at 
a network address including SharePoint hosted.

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:19:33 AM UTC-7, vayira wrote:
>
> Because TiddlyDesktop is not a browser and the having TW in a browser tab 
> is so useful. 
>
>
>
How so? Sure, it it's in the same browser that you do all your regular 
browsing in. But if you need a special browser, then why not use 
TiddlyDesktop? 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Vayira]

Because TiddlyDesktop is not a browser and the having TW in a browser tab
is so useful.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 10:36, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I can understand that fans of FF want to continue using FF. But if you're
> on a desktop, and having to use Beaker, Waterfox, or an old version of FF,
> why not just use TiddlyDesktop ?
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:33:51 AM UTC-7, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.
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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I can understand that fans of FF want to continue using FF. But if you're 
on a desktop, and having to use Beaker, Waterfox, or an old version of FF, 
why not just use TiddlyDesktop ?

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:33:51 AM UTC-7, Norm Davis wrote:
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>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

I just want to add, the apocalypse is over a long time ago

Timimi works as well as TiddlyFox, if not better, on the latest firefox, 

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:24:06 AM UTC+11, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> Ah, Victor, glad to hear!
>
> Julio
>
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:01:55 PM UTC-4, VÍCTOR wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Julio, I'm exploring now Beaker Browse, it seems it works very 
>> well
>>
>>
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Julio Peña]

Ah, Victor, glad to hear!

Julio

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> Thank you Julio, I'm exploring now Beaker Browse, it seems it works very 
> well
>
>
>
> Victor
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>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[VÍCTOR]

Thank you Julio, I'm exploring now Beaker Browse, it seems it works
very well



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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Julio Peña]

Hello there,

I use Waterfox (offshoot of Firefox) which still supports the Tiddlyfox 
extension.

Regards,
Julio

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Víctor Sarmiento]

It seems I am quite late, but perhaps my solution could be useful for 
anyone yet
I use the latest version of firefox for the web and I use a portable 
firefox (43.0.1) disconected from internet to build my tiddlywikis

Víctor




El sábado, 28 de octubre de 2017, 11:33:51 (UTC+2), Norm Davis escribió:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Hmm, yes, I do have python installed, but of course it may not be installed 
correctly, or maybe I need to set some environment variables differently...
Thanks for the tip.
Boaz

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Looking over the docs, I don't see that it mentions Python. I'm pretty 
> sure you need Python installed in order for Timimi to work. Is python on 
> your Mac system?
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:15:20 PM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tony.  It looks good.  But so far I wasn't able to get Timimi to 
>> work on OSX.
>> It looks like it is installed, and I can press the "check" symbol to 
>> save, and it says "wiki saved", but the file itself is not saved.
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Boaz,
>>>
>>> Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
>>> click on the cat.
>>>
>>> We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
>>> substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
>>> maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
>>> recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
>>> can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
>>> (Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:

 Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!

 On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
> THOUSAND views!
>
> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>
> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying 
>> to 
>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW 
>> files 
>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple 
>> HTML 
>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use 
>> TW, 
>> but its not convenient.  
>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, 
>> but it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess 
>> it will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>> reorganization.
>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for 
>> me 
>> anymore.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
>>> going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the 
>>> new 
>>> Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or 
>>> a 
>>> new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Looking over the docs, I don't see that it mentions Python. I'm pretty sure 
you need Python installed in order for Timimi to work. Is python on your 
Mac system?

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:15:20 PM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony.  It looks good.  But so far I wasn't able to get Timimi to 
> work on OSX.
> It looks like it is installed, and I can press the "check" symbol to save, 
> and it says "wiki saved", but the file itself is not saved.
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Boaz,
>>
>> Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
>> click on the cat.
>>
>> We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
>> substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
>> maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
>> recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
>> can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
>> (Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
 THOUSAND views!

 Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
 several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.

 It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.

 Josiah

 On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying 
> to 
> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple 
> HTML 
> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
> but its not convenient.  
> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, 
> but it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
> reorganization.
> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
> anymore.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
>> going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the 
>> new 
>> Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a 
>> new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Thanks Tony.  It looks good.  But so far I wasn't able to get Timimi to 
work on OSX.
It looks like it is installed, and I can press the "check" symbol to save, 
and it says "wiki saved", but the file itself is not saved.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Boaz,
>
> Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
> click on the cat.
>
> We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
> substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
> maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
> recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
> can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
> (Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
>>> THOUSAND views!
>>>
>>> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
>>> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>>>
>>> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:

 Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
 TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
 TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
 have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
 all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
 folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
 location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple 
 HTML 
 files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
 move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
 I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
 doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
 but its not convenient.  
 When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, 
 but it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
 I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
 will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
 reorganization.
 Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
 benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
 anymore.

 On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
> going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new 
> Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a 
> new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>


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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Boaz,

Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
click on the cat.

We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
(Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.

Regards
Tony




On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
>> THOUSAND views!
>>
>> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
>> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>>
>> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
>>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
>>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML 
>>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
>>> but its not convenient.  
>>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
>>> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
>>> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>>> reorganization.
>>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:


 Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
 going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new 
 Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a 
 new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR THOUSAND 
> views!
>
> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>
> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML 
>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
>> but its not convenient.  
>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
>> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
>> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>> reorganization.
>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
>> anymore.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR THOUSAND 
views!

Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Rimini.

It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.

Josiah

On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with TiddlyWiki 
> again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with TiddlyWiki.  I 
> still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to have to switch 
> to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files all over the 
> place, named due to their subject and in many different folders.  So far, I 
> have not been able to relocate these to a single location, and I don't 
> really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML files that link to my 
> TW files in their present locations.  In order to move my TW files, I'd 
> have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
> but its not convenient.  
> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
> reorganization.
> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
> anymore.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Thanks for the suggestions, Mark.  I use OSX on a Mac.  I have most of my 
TW files in my MyDocs folder and various sub-folders in there. 
I tried tiddlyserver a while back and briefly got it to work.  I can't 
remember why I stopped using it.  Something about it conflicted with my 
usual workflow.
I'll look into TiddlyBackup.


On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:50:09 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> There are multiple approaches that will allow you to keep your existing 
> TW's and pathing IF your paths are relative, you're running  Windows or 
> Linux. Nothing is as convenient to set up as TiddlyFox, but it is doable.
>
> You can use tiddlyserver. ts serves up most files and uses relative paths.
>
> You can use TiddlyBackup and links (Symbolic in Linux, Junctions in 
> Windows). You set up a sub-directory of your download directory, put links 
> in it that connect to your original location. This tricks the browser into 
> thinking your paths are below the download directory.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 5:44:50 AM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML 
>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
>> but its not convenient.  
>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
>> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
>> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>> reorganization.
>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
>> anymore.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There are multiple approaches that will allow you to keep your existing 
TW's and pathing IF your paths are relative, you're running  Windows or 
Linux. Nothing is as convenient to set up as TiddlyFox, but it is doable.

You can use tiddlyserver. ts serves up most files and uses relative paths.

You can use TiddlyBackup and links (Symbolic in Linux, Junctions in 
Windows). You set up a sub-directory of your download directory, put links 
in it that connect to your original location. This tricks the browser into 
thinking your paths are below the download directory.

-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 5:44:50 AM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with TiddlyWiki 
> again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with TiddlyWiki.  I 
> still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to have to switch 
> to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files all over the 
> place, named due to their subject and in many different folders.  So far, I 
> have not been able to relocate these to a single location, and I don't 
> really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML files that link to my 
> TW files in their present locations.  In order to move my TW files, I'd 
> have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
> but its not convenient.  
> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
> reorganization.
> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
> anymore.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Boaz Nash]

Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with TiddlyWiki 
again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with TiddlyWiki.  I 
still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to have to switch 
to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files all over the 
place, named due to their subject and in many different folders.  So far, I 
have not been able to relocate these to a single location, and I don't 
really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML files that link to my 
TW files in their present locations.  In order to move my TW files, I'd 
have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it doesn't 
work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, but its 
not convenient.  
When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but it 
feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it will 
involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major reorganization.
Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
anymore.

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>

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