[time-nuts] SR620 - register as being warmed up ????

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am hoping to buy a SR620 from a seller who is not familiar with the instrument, but who 1) Has knowledge of electronic test equipment in general. 2) Is willing to test the SR620 before an international shipment. This puts me in a somewhat better position than typicall eBay sale with comments

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A single 2N or equivalent transistor in a suitable circuit dissipating about 200mW or so can achieve a reverse isolation of 35dB with distortion of around -40dBc (output +13dBm) with a gain of unity, and an output impedance of 50 ohms with a PN floor of around -180dBc/Hz or so. Bruce

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bruce wrote: Another issue is that if even one output needs high reverse isolation and low crosstalk, then even those outputs that arent so critical will also need high reverse isolation and low crosstalk to avoid degrading the crosstalk to the critical output. This brings up the distinction

[time-nuts] Comic

2014-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
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Re: [time-nuts] Phase, One edge or two? (was Digital mixing with a D Flip Flop)

2014-11-26 Thread pablo alvarez
Hi Warren, I arrive a bit late to this discussion, but I hope I can help. I guess the reason for using only one edge is based on the fact that WR is originally designed to measure the phase between a decoded data clock and a system clock. The problem is that this decoded data clock is locked to

Re: [time-nuts] anyone tried the cheap Lea-6T modules seen on eBay?

2014-11-26 Thread Dale J. Robertson
They use the LEA-6T for DIY drone applications because it provides raw carrier phase information. The raw carrier info is compared with the raw carrier data from a nearby fixed (and surveyed for an extended period) GPS receiver. The position error of the fixed station is subtracted from the

Re: [time-nuts] Phase, One edge or two? (was Digital mixing with a D Flip Flop)

2014-11-26 Thread pablo alvarez
...The problem is that this decoded data clock is locked to the incoming data by means of a PFD in the Spartan6/Virtex6 GTP. The PFD normaly only looks at rising edges, so any change in the clock duty cycle will translate in a phase change in the falling edge and not in the rising edge. I am

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bruce wrote: A single 2N or equivalent transistor in a suitable circuit dissipating about 200mW or so can achieve a reverse isolation of 35dB with distortion of around -40dBc (output +13dBm) with a gain of unity, and an output impedance of 50 ohms with a PN floor of around -180dBc/Hz or

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread paul swed
As I say a most useless website. Regards On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Dave Martindale dave.martind...@gmail.com wrote: I spent a bit of time poking around the SkyTraq web site on the weekend. I couldn't find a datasheet for the chip on the LTE-Lite - perhaps it's so new that SkyTraq

[time-nuts] CentOS 7, Motorola GPS receiver and NTP

2014-11-26 Thread xaos
Hello everyone. Currently my Stratum 1 NTP server is made up of the following: Pentium 4 Motherboard, Single core, 1.4GHz., 1GB memory Slackware Linux, 11.0.0 PPSkit-2.1.7 Kernel uname -a: Linux timelord 2.4.33.3-NANO #1 Fri Nov 12 21:28:51 EST 2010 i686 pentium4 i386 GNU/Linux Motorola, GPS

[time-nuts] HP10811 Double oven, oven jump?

2014-11-26 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, I've been playing with some double oven HP10811's. I've been monitoring the internal oven feedback vs. temperature and noticed something interesting last night. There was a sudden step change in internal oven feedback voltage. This is the voltage coming from the amplifier monitoring

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Didier Juges
Said, Your drawing looks better than those by Bob Pease, and he was never embarrassed by his :) Thank you for your extensive contributions to time nuts Didier KO4BB On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:28 PM, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Guys, I never expected such an intense

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Almost. 1:1:2 (turns ratio) transformers used in each stage and 1:1 transformer on input. This allows a lower power supply voltage to be used. One thing to watch with minicircuits transformers is core saturation due to dc flowing in the windings. Bruce On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 08:52:14

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
:) Sent From iPhone On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:20, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: Said, Your drawing looks better than those by Bob Pease, and he was never embarrassed by his :) Thank you for your extensive contributions to time nuts Didier KO4BB On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:28

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Sanford
Interesting comment. . . . I'm reading Bob's book now! Never met him, but felt like I knew him from all of his writings. His death was very sad Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 11/26/2014 12:20 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Said, Your drawing looks better than those byBob Pease, and he was never

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Jim, A double tragedy. I was working with Jim Williams on one of our designs a week before he passed away. Then Bob crashed his car coming from Jim's funeral (grief?) and died too. Two of the greatest analog minds lost within days. Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:34, Jim

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hi! Navspark has one board with Glonass (http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-gl-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps-glonass/) and one board with Beidou (http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-bd-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps-beidou/). Both use a Venus 8

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread Neil Schroeder
Poul are you teferring to the lte lite specifically? My Resolution SMT GG will go single sat or OD mode with only non GPS sats available. On Tuesday, November 25, 2014, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 7da89.51b7dfcf.41a65...@aol.com javascript:;, S. Jackson

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361

2014-11-26 Thread Rob040 .
List, I received my set (REF-0 REF-1) today and both units have production date 2000 week 5 and were packed in blue foam and a mylar ESD save bag. The outer box was opened by eBay, easy to detect due to the eBay tape that was used to close the box again. Maybe because it was shipped via UK and

[time-nuts] F.S. HP 10544A Xtal Osc

2014-11-26 Thread Don Murray via time-nuts
Hello All... SELLING: HP 10544A Xtal Osc Osc Assembly and converter board that goes from the Osc TRW/Cinch connector to 15 pin edge connector. Unit was purchased for a past project that never happened! SOLD AS-IS... I have never powered up the unit. Physical condition is good. BEST

Re: [time-nuts] CentOS 7, Motorola GPS receiver and NTP

2014-11-26 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hello! Current version of NTP supports Motorola Oncore and PPS. Take a look at http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/ConfiguringMotorolaOncoreRefclocks Edésio On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:49:59AM -0500, xaos wrote: Hello everyone. Currently my Stratum 1 NTP server is made up of the

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Sanford
Didier: Please DO share. Thanks! Jim On 11/25/2014 7:47 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim, I have somewhere a piece of VB 6.0 code that decodes NMEA sentences and puts it pretty on the screen (at least that's how I remember it :). I am not at home at the moment but I'll be glad to send it to you

[time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPS Time vs. UTC

2014-11-26 Thread Mitchell Janoff
I now have my KS-24361 operating and I've successfully communicated via RS232 (using the hack described previously) with both SatStat and GPSCon using Win7. The time I'm getting out of the unit is the GPS time (+16 seconds). I've tried to convert the time to UTC by first changing the mode from

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:51, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Jim, please remember you need proper lightning protection if you put the antenna outside.. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Sorry, seems this did not show first time. Edésio On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:16:20PM -0200, Edesio Costa e Silva wrote: Hi! Navspark has one board with Glonass (http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-gl-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps-glonass/) and one board with Beidou

[time-nuts] F.S. EFRATOM SLCK-101 Rb Freq Std

2014-11-26 Thread Don Murray via time-nuts
Hello All... SELLING: EFRATOM SLCK-101 Rb Freq Std 10MHz sine out... +24VDC required This is a very small unit measuring: 3 11/16 x 4 15/16 (5 1/2 to end of connector) x 1 1/16 Slightly bigger than a 3 x 5 filing card!! I do not have the matching 8 pin female connector Unit was

[time-nuts] F.S. CORRECTION to model #... EFRATOM SLCR-101 Rb Freq Std

2014-11-26 Thread Don Murray via time-nuts
Hello All... CORRECTION to the Model #... Sorry SELLING: EFRATOM SLCR-101 Rb Freq Std 10MHz sine out... +24VDC required This is a very small unit measuring: 3 11/16 x 4 15/16 (5 1/2 to end of connector) x 1 1/16 Slightly bigger than a 3 x 5 filing card!! I do not have the

Re: [time-nuts] CentOS 7, Motorola GPS receiver and NTP

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Edesio Costa e Silva time-n...@tardis.net.br wrote: Hello! Current version of NTP supports Motorola Oncore and PPS. Take a look at http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/ConfiguringMotorolaOncoreRefclocks Edésio The above is certainly required reading.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Don Latham
yes please! Don On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: Didier: Please DO share. Thanks! Jim On 11/25/2014 7:47 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim, I have somewhere a piece of VB 6.0 code that decodes NMEA sentences and puts it pretty on the screen (at least

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361

2014-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
rob...@live.nl said: Onother question... here in Europe was use screws and nuts with 'metric' (mm) threat. What is used for the mounting screws, how do you call that? 6-32 Web price is $3.49 for a box of 100 at my local hardware chain. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] CentOS 7, Motorola GPS receiver and NTP

2014-11-26 Thread Paul
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:49 AM, xaos x...@darksmile.net wrote: Question: How do I setup NTP with a 1 PPS from serial port and the Motorola receiver hooked up? You'll want to review the documents at ntp.org and the list http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions. The folks there will be happy

[time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Said mentioned on an earlier thread that if a GPS antenna is used outside, lightening protection should be used. This immediately reminded me of something that happened about 10 years ago to me 1) Lightening damaged my ADSL modem. It because totally dead. 2) Every computer and a printer connected

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Martin A Flynn
The N2MO station has an external GPS antenna on the gable end of the building. It's connected to the polyphaser arrestor with FSJ4-50 superflex. The antenna mounting pipe has a #2 ground wire (33.6 mm/2) the polyphaser has it's own #2 ground wire. Both connect to an 8' x 5/8 (2.4m x

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bruce wrote: Almost. 1:1:2 (turns ratio) transformers used in each stage and 1:1 transformer on input. This allows a lower power supply voltage to be used. I spent a little time (emphasis on little) fiddling with the simulation, and I did not immediately find any solution with 1:1:2 and

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/26/14, 1:37 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: Said mentioned on an earlier thread that if a GPS antenna is used outside, lightening protection should be used. This immediately reminded me of something that happened about 10 years ago to me 1) Lightening damaged my ADSL

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/26/14, 2:00 PM, Martin A Flynn wrote: The N2MO station has an external GPS antenna on the gable end of the building. It's connected to the polyphaser arrestor with FSJ4-50 superflex. The antenna mounting pipe has a #2 ground wire (33.6 mm/2) the polyphaser has it's own #2 ground wire.

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361

2014-11-26 Thread Rob040 .
Thanks a lot, that's a big help. To: time-nuts@febo.com From: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:46:44 -0800 CC: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 rob...@live.nl said: Onother question... here in Europe was use screws and nuts with

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
You CAN (almost) lightening proof your system. The trick is to give lightening a low impedence path to grind at very opportunity. Start with the antenna mast and call. Use iron pipe for the mast and feed the antenna cable down the center of the pipe. Place two large ground clamps on this pipe

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The ground rod needs to be bonded to the rest of the building ground system. How do I do that effectively if the power goes in the front of the building and the antenna is on the back? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Martin A Flynn
On 11/26/2014 5:14 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 11/26/14, 2:00 PM, Martin A Flynn wrote: The N2MO station has an external GPS antenna on the gable end of the building. It's connected to the polyphaser arrestor with FSJ4-50 superflex. The antenna mounting pipe has a #2 ground wire (33.6 mm/2) the

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 November 2014 at 22:14, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: You CAN (almost) lightening proof your system. BUT if the almost is not quite enough, one could damage a lot of expensive test kit. Remember that Ethernet is always gavalically isolated by transformers I lost

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Martin A Flynn
On 11/26/2014 5:54 PM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The ground rod needs to be bonded to the rest of the building ground system. How do I do that effectively if the power goes in the front of the building and the antenna is on the back? If cost is no object, a ring ground

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Surround your house with a complete loop of #6 wire with 8-10 ft long ground rods every 10-12 ft (but no less than 6ft), bonded (clamped) to the ground at the service entrance. That's the simple answer.  The somewhat longer answer is in a recent copy of the ARRL Handbook.  Some will argue for

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread David McQuate
The magnetic field in the core due to the current in the windings is proportional to current times number of turns.  If there are more than one winding, add the currents.  Yes, 2 x 20mA certainly exceeds 30mA.   The core will be driven closer or into saturation and the inductance will be

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/26/14, 2:14 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: You CAN (almost) lightening proof your system. The trick is to give lightening a low impedence path to grind at very opportunity. Start with the antenna mast and call. Use iron pipe for the mast and feed the antenna cable down the center of the

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/26/14, 2:54 PM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The ground rod needs to be bonded to the rest of the building ground system. How do I do that effectively if the power goes in the front of the building and the antenna is on the back? AWG 6 wire with no breaks or

[time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Arthur Dent
Here is a link to a good 12 page description of grounding practices/requirements. http://www.reeve.com/Documents/Articles%20Papers/AntennaSystemGroundingRequirements_Reeve.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
You really do have to bond the two of them. The VERY best way is to dig a trench all the way around the building and install a loop of wire, #8 at least (although I use much larger wire after the time and money to dug a trench.) This wire connects the rods and the water system. While a full

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 01:14, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: After this minimum you have th think about the probability of a strike. If you live in Orlando Florida then it might be 100% and nearly zero in other places and then you ask what the radio equipment cost. I paid $18 for

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Dave wrote: The magnetic field in the core due to the current in the windings is proportional to current times number of turns. If there are more than one winding, add the currents. Yes, 2 x 20mA certainly exceeds 30mA. The core will be driven closer or into saturation and the inductance

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/26/14, 5:23 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/26/14, 2:14 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: You CAN (almost) lightening proof your system. The trick is to give lightening a low impedence path to grind at very opportunity.

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Mark Spencer
Sweet. I settled on #3 copper for my antenna grounding system on economic grounds and had a debate with a residential electrical contractor about bonding the antenna ground to the electrical service ground. The city inspector passed the system with the bond installed. I haven't used poly

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Mark Spencer
In my opinion, I'd be inclined to find a way to run a suitable wire around the building.I don't think you want your interior electrical wiring serving as the only bond between two different grounds if energy from a lightning strike flows thru your antenna feed line and then thru your time

Re: [time-nuts] CentOS 7, Motorola GPS receiver and NTP

2014-11-26 Thread Neil Schroeder
Check out the synergy m12 eval board. It's about $100 with the m12m on it and a little less if you're going to install your own. The most recent ftdi in-tree driver will automatically support the adapter. Previous versions you need to echo the VPI to the sys tree interface of the ftdi_sio

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Run in common base ( with things done properly) you can get well over 60 db isolation on a single stage. Bob On Nov 26, 2014, at 2:59 AM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: A single 2N or equivalent transistor in a suitable circuit dissipating about 200mW or so

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I very much would not implement that circuit these days. A logic buffer based design beats it on pretty much ever (useful) spec in the book. Bob On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote: Bruce wrote: A single 2N or equivalent transistor in a

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You need a good antenna setup to get a good disciplined oscillator. The bigger question is if you *need* the sort of “better” it gives you. If you are running a simple TCXO based GPSDO, you will have a number of issues to deal with compared to an OCXO or Rb based system. If “better” is an

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 Double oven, oven jump?

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Did the frequency shift at the same time? If not, the first suspect would be the data collection system. Bob On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Hi All, I've been playing with some double oven HP10811's. I've been monitoring the internal oven

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you look at some of the wire that they use, the rating may be as much a wire rating as a core rating. They use *small* wire !!! I’ve always assumed that if you go over 30 ma anywhere on any winding you are in trouble. I suspect that DC through the entire winding (ignoring the center

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPS Time vs. UTC

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Which port are you putting the commands into? The box *may* respond to some things on the Diag port that it does not respond to on the PPS port. I have not investigated this, but it is a possibility. Bob On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Mitchell Janoff majan...@verizon.net wrote: I now

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 Double oven, oven jump?

2014-11-26 Thread dan
Hi Bob, Yeah it did. This is running as part of one of Bob Stewart's GPSDO's. It's been up for about two weeks now. The log indicated there was a phase jump compared to the GPS PPS input. EFC made a jump to correct for it. A few hours later, it made a small jump back in the other

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 Double oven, oven jump?

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The thing that looks like a second oven on that unit really is not one it is a boost heater. It should be off under normal conditions. Assuming it is off, it is not the problem. Next thing to check is the input power. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:53 PM,

[time-nuts] Lighting Grounding info

2014-11-26 Thread John Allen
Here are two sources of grounding and other information. The Moto R56 is 518 pages of grounding and equipment protection info. https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3xjx1u15ipys26/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RF_Engineering Regards, John K1AE