[time-nuts] Re: Ublox M6T -M8T

2022-05-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR via time-nuts
Rich, stand by. I've been doing a *lot* of testing with higher-speed pulserates on the u-blox F9T/M8T/M9N (as high as 20+ MHz) and will be ready to report some results in a week or two, I hope. There are some interesting findings. And that testing underlies a new TAPR project I'm working

[time-nuts] Re: TICC Question

2022-04-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 4/26/22 17:37, Graham / KE9H wrote: For John A., or anyone comfortable answering. When using the TICC in the default time stamping mode, is there any minimum required separation in time required between the channel A and channel B input events? Is the TICC capable of handling two events

[time-nuts] Re: Question about GPS 1PPS ADEV

2022-04-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 4/16/22 15:53, Matthias Welwarsky wrote: John, what constellations did you have enabled during the test? Just GPS, or also others? I usually run with GPS and Galileo enabled (and I avoid GLONASS, it messes everything up). Can this make a difference? I'm afraid I'm not certain. Normally, I

[time-nuts] Re: Question about GPS 1PPS ADEV

2022-04-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 4/16/22 09:52, Matthias Welwarsky wrote: Dear list members, in 2020 John Ackermann published an evaluative survey of current day GPS and GNSS receivers (URL below). I have a question about figure 26, which shows, among others, the ADEV of a NEO-M8T against a Cesium reference, with

[time-nuts] Re: Low Phase Noise 10 MHz bench signal source sought

2022-04-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 4/7/22 18:46, Lux, Jim wrote: Wenzel is not some giant WalMart of oscillators, with forklifts going hither and yon full of palletized ULNs - there are probably 50-60 people there total, so odds are, you'll be talking to someone who actually has touched (with gloves) your oscillator. This

[time-nuts] Re: Temperature effect on delay of FatPPS :)

2022-03-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The FatPPS should be pretty stable when you trigger off the leading edge of the output, since the delays are in silicon. But the trailing (usually falling) edge of the output is a different matter as the pulse width is controlled by a simple RC circuit and is likely to wander all over the

[time-nuts] Re: Coupling between oscillators -- an example

2022-03-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/26/22 13:23, Joseph Gwinn wrote: It's the ever-present ship-hull vibration (under full steam) that is being compensated for operational vibration, which falls largely between ~10 Hz and 200 Hz. Big gun shocks cause rare noise bursts. Also, the shock from a naval gun quickly degrades

[time-nuts] Re: Coupling between oscillators -- an example

2022-03-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/25/22 19:22, ed breya wrote: I'm a firm believer in using signal isolation transformers where needed and practical. I've had plenty of issues with ground loop interference - usually from line frequency harmonics - especially between different pieces of equipment, but it can show up

[time-nuts] Re: CF cards and the Trimble NetRS

2022-03-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You can stream data out of the receiver via either TCP or serial port without storing to disk, so that's probably the best bet to save CF wear and tear. I'm not sure if it's more difficult to turn the But for now I'm doing as you suggest -- I have one "T00" format session logging to disk in

[time-nuts] From the Admins: Forged time-nuts messages

2022-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Several time-nuts subscribers have recently reported that they've received malicious email messages claiming to be from the time-nuts list or from known members of the list. At first glance, the messages might appear legitimate because they include text taken from old time-nuts postings. But

[time-nuts] Re: FTP with Trimble NetRS

2022-03-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Skip -- I have had no trouble FTPing into two NetRSs from a Linux command line ftp program. A couple of config settings might be important if you haven't checked them: Under "Internet/FTP" make sure "Anonymous FTP" is enabled with appropriate access rights. Under "Security" make sure

[time-nuts] Re: Measuring oscillators against GPS

2022-03-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've been working on frequency/stability measurements using the Trimble NetRS and newer Mosaic-T dual-frequency receivers. Very early data indicates that the NetRS does just about as well as the Mosaic, assuming you are only interested in GPS and not GLONASS or the other constellations the

[time-nuts] Re: Picotest U6200A problem with measuring PPS period very second.

2022-02-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/27/22 6:56 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: These are *all* compare to a reference measurements. The floor will always be set by that, one way or another. Bob just stated a great truth that explains why and how we become time-nuts -- in order to characterize an oscillator, you need another

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I recently fired up my old Z3801As and ran across a similar problem. Art Sepin helpfully reminded me that the old Motorola receivers' on-board oscillators drift with time and after a long power off the oscillator may drift so far that it can't lock. The receiver stores calibration data in

[time-nuts] Re: Testing GPSDOs

2022-02-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
That's a very good question, Hal. If you're talking about stability testing, GPSDOs are a challenge because they (can) work well over a wide range of measurement intervals -- you can have the short term stability of a good OXCO, the mid-term stability of a mid-range Rb, and the long term

[time-nuts] Re: Phase Station 53100A Questions

2022-02-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Joe -- The TimeLab software that's used with the 53100A is available from John Miles at http://www.miles.io/timelab/beta.htm. There is a pretty comprehensive users guide as well as a couple of app notes there, although I don't think any of them document the .TIM file format. However, he

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ackermann N8UR wrote: I think the problem with the Z3801 is that it expects to see specific handshake things at startup, in Motorola binary protocol. Dropping in a random GPS will result in a "No GPS" error. John On 2/5/22 12:44 PM, Keelan Lightfoot wrote: Depending on whoG€™s G

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think the problem with the Z3801 is that it expects to see specific handshake things at startup, in Motorola binary protocol. Dropping in a random GPS will result in a "No GPS" error. John On 2/5/22 12:44 PM, Keelan Lightfoot wrote: Depending on who’s GPS chipset is being used, a fix

[time-nuts] Re: Why do have OCXO a Vref output? (was: help reviving Trimble UCCM-LPS GPSDO)

2021-12-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
One thing I've seen on several OCXO and small Rbs is that the EFC pin is internally wired in the middle of a voltage divider using two fairly high value (>10K) resistors between Vref and ground. That ties the varactor to the middle of the EFC range when no external tuning is required. For

[time-nuts] Z3805 PPS on comm port?

2021-11-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm replacing a dead Z3801 with a less-dead Z3805 (the Samsung labeled, 2 each 10 MHz and PPS BNCs, two DB25s). Has anyone looked into whether that version of the 3805 has a PPS signal on the DB25, or a mod to put it there? I've done some Googling and most of the discussion of the Z3805

[time-nuts] Re: Assessing performance of a frequency counter

2021-11-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Erik -- Unfortunately, your attachment did not make it through the list. That sometimes happens when you put images "in line" or as HTML content. Best thing is to send them as a "real" attachment. Your question breaks into two pieces: (1) what's the resolution or noise floor of the

[time-nuts] Re: Ryzen mobos with serial port for Garmin GPS?

2021-11-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Check Startech (https://www.startech.com). They have a range of RS-232 and similar I/O cards and at least the last time I bought one several years ago, the chip emulated a 16550 UART and didn't seem to have more jitter than any other serial board I'd tried. John On 11/6/21 12:32 PM,

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
chitecture-review At about the 18 minute point he goes into the regions of PSRR. I poked around so I can't vouch more all of the talk, . On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 18:21:36 -0400 John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I got some interesting and unintended data today. I was measuring low phase noise oscillators u

[time-nuts] Re: Micrel (Microchip) PL-500 Low Phase Noise VCXO

2021-09-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 9/18/21 10:50 AM, Lux, Jim wrote: LT3042 and LT3045 are your friend here.  Excellent PSRR well up past 10 MHz. If you need more current, you can just parallel them. $6 each for the 3045 from Digikey For best performance, take a look at the layout suggestions in the 3042/3045 datasheet,

[time-nuts] Comparison/evaluation of u-blox timing receivers

2021-08-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
In 2020 I did an extensive evaluation of the timing ability of the u-blox LEA-M8F, NEO-M8N, NEO-M8T, NEO-M9N, ZED-F9P, and ZED-F9T. The work was made possible by support from the HamSci consortium (https://hamsci.org) under NSF grants supporting HamSci activities. I was sure I'd posted about

[time-nuts] Re: LH "No usable sats"

2021-07-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
IIRC Lady Heather comes with a TCP/IP example configuration that connects to a couple of remote Thunderbolts, one of which is in Seattle. Are you sure that's not what you're seeing? John On 7/8/21 10:00 AM, Admin wrote: Chris, Thanks for your comments. However, how do you explain

[time-nuts] Re: Help ID'ing Frequency Standard (John Ackermann N8UR)

2021-06-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If anyone who has a 5110A system would like this unit as a spare or replacement, drop me a note off list. It's yours for the cost of shipping. (Only those who can use it as intended need not apply... if it were to be dissected and played with, I'd be the one doing it :-) ) John On

[time-nuts] Re: Help ID'ing Frequency Standard

2021-06-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
And (thanks to TVB) -- that's the answer. It's from the 5110A synthesizer driver, circa 1965. On 6/6/21 1:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Magne Mæhre writes: On 6/6/21 4:22 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Looking through the junk box I came upon a metal box labeled: Frequency

[time-nuts] Re: Help ID'ing Frequency Standard

2021-06-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 6/6/21 11:39 AM, Magne Mæhre wrote: On 6/6/21 4:22 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Looking through the junk box I came upon a metal box labeled: Frequency Standard 05110-6014 Series 330 This eBay listing lists it as a 1 MHz HP frequency standard https://www.ebay.de/itm/133759143331

[time-nuts] Re: Help ID'ing Frequency Standard

2021-06-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sounds a lot like the sort of thing you would see in an R-1051 or similar military gear from the late 1950’s or 1960’s. The labeling does not sound right for an assembly out of a piece of HP gear. Bob On Jun 6, 2021, at 10:22 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Looking through the junk box I came upon

[time-nuts] Help ID'ing Frequency Standard

2021-06-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Looking through the junk box I came upon a metal box labeled: Frequency Standard 05110-6014 Series 330 It's about 4 1/2 x 5 1/2 x 3 inches and has odd voltage inputs -- -16V, +10V, -12.6V along with a terminal for "meter switch" and 2 BNC jacks. There are several adjustment points accessible

[time-nuts] Re: Looking for gerber files for a timing GPS board

2021-06-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The RCB-F9T is definitely something *not* to emulate -- it uses an SMB connector for the antenna (which no one else does) and it only has a 10 pin header (on 2mm, not 2.54mm spacing) that provides only one TIMEPULSE output and no EXTINT inputs. Why u-blox decided that was a good form factor

[time-nuts] Re: 2nd Run of TimeHats

2021-04-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm interested in one, John John On 4/26/21 8:32 AM, John Miller via time-nuts wrote: Hello everyone, I’ve seen a number of messages lately that reference the TimeHat boards I put together a couple of months ago, with lots of positive feedback, which I really appreciate. The first run

[time-nuts] Re: Ublox NEO-M8T-0-10​as a LO question

2021-03-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
3/29/21 10:14 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: That's probably a really bad idea. The phase noise from the TIMEPULSE output is pretty bad compared to a "real" RF source, and by the time it's multiplied up to 10 GHz you'll have more noise than signal. Attached are some phase noise plots a

[time-nuts] Re: TAPR TIC: TimeLab mode question (John Ackermann N8UR)

2021-03-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
m again. Many Thanks Best regards, Christoph Message: 4 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:51:58 -0400 From: John Ackermann N8UR Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TAPR TIC: TimeLab mode question To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi Matthias --

[time-nuts] Re: TAPR TIC: TimeLab mode question

2021-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Matthias -- I just took a look at the source and the "Debug" is meaningless... stupid program error (missing a "break" in a case statement) caused that to be printed when it shouldn't be. Easy fix. But why you're seeing the bogus chC results will take a little more investigation. I

[time-nuts] Test message

2021-03-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
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[time-nuts] time-nuts list migration complete

2021-03-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
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[time-nuts] Upcoming changes to time-nuts and volts-nuts lists

2021-03-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The ISP that hosts the febo.com mailing lists is migrating to a new version of the Mailman mailing list software. The switch will happen some time around March 11. Day-to-day list operation won't change, and there won't be any action required on your part. The address for posting messages

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
by injecting a signal into the circuit. To do it properly, you need a setup in a microwave anechoic chamber with transmitting antenna etc. The practical difference may be small though, 1 or 2 ns ( sample of one antenna!). Cheers Michael On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 11:42 am, John Ackermann N8UR wrote

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You have to be careful comparing the LEA-M8F with other GPS units. It does have low jitter because the "TIMEPULSE" signal is derived from the TCXO which is locked to the GPS time mark. But their claim of "essentially jitter free" depends on your definition of "essentially" -- attached is a

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
practical system trying to get close to 5 ns absolute accuracy. 5 ns *relative* accuracy between two F9’s? I probably could buy that if the appropriate one sigma / on a clear day / with the wind in the right direction sort of qualifiers are attached. Bob On Feb 26, 2021, at 4:27 PM, John Acker

Re: [time-nuts] U-blox teaser

2021-02-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
It's interesting that they talk about the F9 receivers offering 5 ns absolute time accuracy. Does anyone know of tests confirming that, and what sort of care was required in the setup to get there? John On 2/26/21 9:34 AM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: FWIW. No detailed content, and a

Re: [time-nuts] Leakage, tinySA

2021-01-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You can get custom-made decent quality cables with double shielded coax (either RG-316D or RG-142) from China (where else?) for pretty low prices. I am sure the cable isn't mil-spec but I cut a piece open and the shield coverage, which is the main thing I worry about at HF frequencies, is

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of traditional phase noise analyzers

2020-12-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Attila -- A really good place to start would be the docs for the HP 3048 phase noise system and associated app notes -- https://www.hpmemoryproject.org/technics/bench/3048/bench_3048_home.htm is a good place to start. There's a *lot* of description there of how the system worked. In a

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-10-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just a thought, Paul -- If the teensy can generate an output that is accurate but jittery, you could use a simple PLL to lock a crystal to that with a time constant that smooths out the jitter. John On 10/31/20 1:47 PM, paul swed wrote: Hello to the group. Wanted to update the everyone

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: cheap frequency extension for timepod

2020-10-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
FWIW, I have done PN measurements at 144 MHz with the TimePod and a Frankenstein's laboratory lashup of 80 MHz ULN, HP doubler to 160 MHz, HP mixer, and several amp and filter blocks. As far as I can tell, it worked pretty well; at least, I could discern the PN difference among several

Re: [time-nuts] Experiment in lowering the TAPR TICC noise floor

2020-10-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Attila -- Just a couple of corrections -- the "coarse clock" in the TICC runs at 10 kHz (100 us), not 1 kHz, and therefore the TDC never sees a measurement interval longer than 100 us, not 1 ms. More importantly, the chart in Figure 17 of the datasheet is for operation in "Mode 1" of the

Re: [time-nuts] Experiment in lowering the TAPR TICC noise floor

2020-10-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
That's very interesting, Matthias! The lower noise floor intuitively and the sqrt(2) improvement comes to mind, except that would apply only if the two measurements were uncorrelated. Here, you have a common 10 MHz reference, so there's correlation. But... the high-speed ring counters

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise and ADCs

2020-09-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 9/26/20 9:33 PM, John Miles wrote: One consequence of charge retention is that when the input signal is in the first Nyquist zone, meaning below fLO/2, no net frequency translation occurs in a sampler. There is no mixing going on, hence no reciprocal mixing either. The sampler's

[time-nuts] Phase Noise and ADCs

2020-09-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We know that phase noise scales with frequency, so if you multiply frequency by 10 you get a 20 dB increase in noise. What I don't fully understand is how that relationship works with other than simple multiplication/division. For example (and my real life concern), if I have an analog to

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz BVA has been sold. Thank you all who expressed an interest.

2020-09-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've had good luck with Iota brand chargers for 12 and 24 volt... I think they are "DCL" series or something similar. They are available in various amperage and include a smart-charger circuit. I know Amazon sells several models and the prices are in the $100-200 range. One of their selling

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz BVA has been sold. Thank you all who expressed an interest.

2020-09-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Seconded! I don't have that set up on all my oscillators, but plan to get there. I *do* have things set up so I can remove the 24V battery bank for maintenance and run directly on the AC power. BTW, I've standardized on using orange-black PowerPoles for 24V (red-black for 12/13.8V,

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO "accuracy"

2020-09-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Donald -- Over a 10 second interval, you're really looking at the short term stability of the oscillator in the GPSDO, which could vary be several orders of magnitude. The GPS component will set the nominal frequency, but the noise around nominal will be that of the OCXO. A quite good

[time-nuts] Fwd: [TangerineSDR] ARRL/TAPR DCC in 10 days

2020-09-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The annual Digital Communications Conference that TAPR co-sponsors with the ARRL is coming up on Sep. 11 and 12 and will be available on the Interwebs. I'm forwarding the announcement here in an act of shameless self-promotion because I'll be doing a presentation on the timing performance of

Re: [time-nuts] TICC TAPR and TimeLab

2020-07-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Some answers below. John On 7/3/20 10:54 AM, w8ycm--- via time-nuts wrote: New guy here needs help using the TAPT TICC and Timelab software The TICC documentation, I am sure, is sufficient to those in the community, but to someone who has only lurked around the edges, there are a few

Re: [time-nuts] differences among TADD-2, TADD-3, PulsePuppy, TADD-2 mini

2020-06-02 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
What, the names aren't self-explanatory? :-) TADD-1 -- broadband (0.1 - >30 MHz) analog distribution amplifier TADD-2 -- 5/10 MHz 6 channel divider (1k to 1 PPS) TADD-2 Mini -- 1/2.5/5/10 MHz to PPS single channel divider; very tiny TADD-3 -- 6 channel PPS distribution amplifier (no divider)

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Support Board

2020-05-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 5/14/20 5:07 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > No, the cheap board houses don’t check for this stuff. They just build and > send it > back. If there’s a gotcha, you get it on the board. I was pleasantly surprised last week when Seeed Fusion contacted me to point out a problem where two vias were too

Re: [time-nuts] Alfred Loomis - an early time nut

2020-05-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Check out "Tuxedo Park" by Jennet Conant -- it's all about Loomis and his very interesting life. John On 5/12/20 7:24 PM, Bob Martin wrote: > Does anyone know about Alfred Loomis and his > early precision time measurements? > > According to the article in the link below, he > was also

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna splitter recommendation?

2020-04-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
So, being a heartless butcher I opened up one of the HP 8-port GPS splitters (forget the number) and removed the sawtooth filters so the unit would pass both L1 and L2. I found that to bridge the filter pads even the smallest cap I had (I think 7pf) caused problems. I ended up making "gimmick"

Re: [time-nuts] TICC / TimeLab fun

2020-04-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Chris -- Two possibilities: 1. Make sure you have TimeLab set for the correct mode (timestamp vs time interval), for two channels, and for the right scaling factor (for timestamps, scale by 1). Any of those can cause 1e0-type results. 2. If the two channels have timestamps that are within

Re: [time-nuts] Vaperware Parts and pulse stretching circuits

2020-04-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I know this is getting off topic, but one more comment from me. Solder flux is really important. I use nothing but "no clean" type for SMT work -- very thin 0.015 no-clean solder (63/37 PbSn while I still can), and a bottle of liquid no-clean flux with a needle dispenser. I make sure the work

Re: [time-nuts] Vaperware Parts and pulse stretching circuits

2020-04-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Perry -- The circuit in the FatPPS is really simple and would be easy to duplicate. Frankly, the reason we had to significantly increase the cost is because we provide the board fully assembled (it's all surface mount parts), and with the low volume we've had in the last few years, the

[time-nuts] App Note describing the "multi-TICC" 8 channel timestamping counter

2020-04-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The TICC hardware design has features that make it possible to synchronize and run several units from a common clock, allowing creation of 4, 6, 8 or even larger multi-channel timestamping counters. The TICC firmware has sort-of supported this capability as well. I think a couple of people may

Re: [time-nuts] Phase measurement of my GPSDO

2020-04-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
It's a feature not a bug. :-) I was going to address possible out-of-sequence output in this update, but after lots and lots of thinking and experiments, and discussions with a few bright folks on this list, I've come to the conclusion that there is no 100% reliable way to do sample ordering

[time-nuts] Announcement: New TICC firmware available

2020-04-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've just released an update to the Arduino firmware for the TICC; the new version is 20200412.1. It, along with all the TICC source code and documentation, is available at: https://github.com/TAPR/TICC. In addition to a few bug fixes and cleanups, there are a couple of more noticeable changes

Re: [time-nuts] Phase measurement of my GPSDO

2020-04-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Tobias -- Several years ago, with a bunch of help from Bruce and John Miles, I did a very high isolation, very low phase noise buffer amp design that TAPR sold for a limited run. It's built with surface mount parts but they are user-friendly sized. Details and schematic are at

Re: [time-nuts] Phase measurement of my GPSDO

2020-04-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
ork better? > I totally see that the error is somehow multiplied, but if my GPSDO is good > (which I hope it is :-)) the error will still be very small - perhaps in > the 1e-9 or 1e-10 region, so too low for my 5335A. Not? > > > Tobias > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 5:34 PM John

Re: [time-nuts] Phase measurement of my GPSDO

2020-04-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think the difference is between *mixing* or *dividing* down to a low frequency. When you divide, you divide the noise along with the carrier frequency. When you mix, you "translate" the noise. If the signal bounces around 0.1 Hz at 10 MHz (awful, I know), when you divide to 1 PPS the noise is

Re: [time-nuts] Crystal filters in test equipment

2020-03-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
One of my Sulzers on an oddball frequency seems, from the phase noise plot, to have a crystal filter about 1 kHz wide -- see attached. John On 3/26/20 8:04 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > On 3/26/2020 3:03 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote: >> Learned Gentlemen, >> Both the HP 106

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts no longer carried by GMane.io

2020-03-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
To answer Achim's recent question (that's also been posed by others, neither Tom nor I are fans of "list scraping" sites like gmane.org. They offer convenience, but they also divert searches from the canonical archive at lists.febo.com to their own archives, which may not be complete. Their

Re: [time-nuts] PCB layout question for GPSDO

2020-02-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/29/20 7:40 AM, Matthias Welwarsk wrote: > For example, there's the TDC7200 itself. When I tested my design first, the > measurements had a distinct relation to temperature, in the order of maybe > 300ps/°C, but there's other stuff as well, for example, the 74ALVC74 in > yours, > the

[time-nuts] Administrivia: time-nuts message headers

2020-02-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR via time-nuts
Hi All -- I just had a report from a member that they were getting strange DMARC errors on messages they posted. DMARC is a spam prevention tool that really and truly messes up mailing list operation; I'll spare you the details but it makes things very complicated for list traffic. I just

[time-nuts] List Archives

2020-02-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If you've been missing the time-nuts list archives for the last week or so, they have been turned back on. The archives were hit with a denial-of-service attack and our hosting company had to disable them because the traffic was crashing their servers. Things have settled back down, so the

[time-nuts] Looking for HP GPS splitter board

2020-01-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
This is a long shot, but... A long while ago TAPR obtained and then sold some printed circuit boards that were intended to go into HP GPS antenna splitters. The boards were about 1.5 by 3.5 inches and had all the parts mounted for a 4 port splitter, but with no connectors attached. The part

Re: [time-nuts] tracking position & orientation

2019-11-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 11/22/19 12:21 PM, Tim Lister wrote: > You probably don't need to wait that many days for the Final GPS > satellite orbits; the IGS products page > (https://www.igs.org/products)shows that even the real-time > ultra-rapid products are a factor of 20x better in the orbit (but > interestingly

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in antennas

2019-11-22 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
ed there are some receivers that have an AGC built in. *IF* your >>> receiver has one >>> and *IF* you can get at it, that would be a great way to work this >out. >>> Indeed anybody >>> who makes it past both of those constraints has a pretty unique >device

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in antennas

2019-11-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bob, this is a great summary, thanks! One related question, especially with mixed systems -- how do you tell if you have optimum signal level at the receiver? Most show some sort of SNR or Cn value. What should we look for? What are the indication of *too much* signal? One issue in particular

Re: [time-nuts] Mounting thread on TopGNSS GN-GGB0710

2019-10-30 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
The limited knowledge I've obtained about survey antenna is that almost all use a straight 5/8-11 thread.  There are various 5/8 adapters available.  I use one to 1/4-20 to mount the antenna on a camera tripod. On Oct 30, 2019, 3:17 AM, at 3:17 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > >> I have two of these.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
IIRC, there's a description in the 5065A manual about how to restore the lamp if this happens, but I think the mechanism tends to occur during long periods of storage, not during operation. The small telco Rb's certainly have the flooding problem and there the restoral methods are a bit more ad

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-24 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
Hi Greg -- The 5065A is a Rubidium standard and unlike Cesium units it doesn't have a "wear out" mechanism.  With a little TLC they can run indefinitely.  While they drift (very slowly), they have much better short term stability than a Cs and so in some ways are more useful. John On Oct 23,

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
303-554-0307 >> >> act...@hotmail.com >> >> "Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK >> and Albert Einstein >> >> >> From: time-nuts on behalf of John >> Ackermann.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Corby -- I normally keep the 5065A running all the time -- it's usually set up as the "house standard" and I tweak the frequency against Cs every few months. You know more about its service history than I do. :-) When it was working, I usually kept the 5061A running full time as local time

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
FWIW, I designed the TADD-1 to have equal length signal paths for all six channels. 73, John On Oct 23, 2019, 1:01 PM, at 1:01 PM, "Bill Dailey, MD, MSEng, MSMI" wrote: >I am working in a project that requires me to have very similarly >phased >10mhz references (beamforming). > >Previously I

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
branded by themselves rather than Anderson, but I can't tell if it's > generic or made to their specs. > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 2:00 AM John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > >> Not a perfect solution, but for semi-permanent connections you can run a >> small tie-wrap le

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Not a perfect solution, but for semi-permanent connections you can run a small tie-wrap lengthwise so the ends pass through the space between where the wires on each end split and the body.  Cinch it tight and the connectors won't come apart without cutting the tie wrap. On Oct 4, 2019, 7:04

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
ong with the signal wire/cable, so it's crimped between them. I don't > know if that is the best way of handling that, but it's worked for me. > > On 04/10/2019 11:41 AM, John Ackermann. N8UR wrote: >> West Mountain is a good source for all things PowerPole, but there are >&g

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-04 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
I use lots and lots of Anderson PowerPoles and (mostly) West Mountain Radio distribution units.  I have different color codes for different voltages -- red/black for 12v, orange/black for 24v, green/black for 5v, etc.  Primary 12 and 24 volt sources are big AGM batteries across float chargers.

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner's Atomic Clock

2019-09-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 9/17/19 3:33 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 04:00, Dana Whitlow wrote: > >> The nice thing about a Rb is that its short term stability (seconds to >> minutes and perhaps >> even longer) is much better than that of a GPS timing receiver. The bad >> news is that Rb >>

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TIC Upgrade?

2019-08-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
In theory, making a new TICC that ran on an RPi could provide significantly more measurements per second, and more convenient I/O, but wouldn't affect the quality of the results. I've thought a bit about an RPi-based TICC, but it's a significant redesign effort for limited gains. John On

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TIC Upgrade?

2019-08-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The TICC uses an Arduino, not a Raspberry Pi. It would require both major hardware and software changes to utilize an RPi. On 8/14/19 1:28 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote: > Yo Bubba Dudes!, > I've just purchased a TAPR TIC module.  Now the new Raspberry Pi Model B has > just been

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo service currently degraded

2019-07-14 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
Having just been through the endian issue with a similar parser, I'll mention that in Python the struct.unpack() function can handle endian swaps at tne same time as it pulls binary data out of the message.  It makes it pretty painless. On Jul 13, 2019, 11:08 PM, at 11:08 PM, Mark Sims wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A standard docs

2019-07-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I have several pages of schematics at: https://www.febo.com/pages/hardware/AN_URQ_10/ but unfortunately not the full manual. John On 7/10/19 12:43 PM, Walter Shawlee 2 wrote: > Does anybody have the manual for this old standard?  mine works, but is > a bit high, and needs internal

[time-nuts] interesting book -- Einstein's Shadow -- mentions masers

2019-06-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I just finished reading Einstein's Shadow by Seth Fletcher (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075WSLWFX/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8=1). It's a pop-science story about the development of the Event Horizon Telescope and the quest to image a black hole. It was published just before the recent

Re: [time-nuts] Logging and correlating NMEA messages with TICC timestamp

2019-06-24 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
Just a note about possible spurious pulses with the TICC.  The input circuit is a 3.3v logic gate that's 5v-safe.  Some PPS signals have much greater peak amplitude than that (e.g., the HP atomic clocks). Experience has shown that these pulses don't know have enough energy to damage the input,

Re: [time-nuts] Excellent equipment rack

2019-06-11 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
Star Case (https:www.starcase.com) is  U.S. company (in Indiana)  that sells similar open-frame rack kits for very reasonable prices.  I have several and have been very pleased.  They are available whatever height you want, with depths of 20 to 30 inches.  They have lots of accessories to trick

Re: [time-nuts] Bombe clock

2019-05-21 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
Other than the fact that his description of how the bombe worked is totally wrong... On May 21, 2019, 5:00 PM, at 5:00 PM, Mark Sims wrote: >Everbody needs one of these... > >https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Covert-Bombe-Clock-from-Bad-Dog-Designs-Codebreaking-in-Secret/123775434764 >

[time-nuts] Time and Frequency Measurement and General Test Equipment For Sale

2019-05-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've decided it's time to make a bit of room in the basement, so am selling some stuff. The list includes signal generators, spectrum analyzers, power meter and sensors, and some "antiques." There are a few things of particular interest to time-nuts and fmt-nuts: several PTS synthesizers,

Re: [time-nuts] Building new pods for the Spectracom 8140 using modern components

2019-04-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I have a large box of 8140 pods (well, I call them "taps"). They are quite handy for stringing distribution points around a large room, provided ultimate phase noise performance isn't required. You *don't* need an 8140 main box to use these. All the 8140 does is put 12V DC bias on its

[time-nuts] Week Number Rollover: Ashtech Z12

2019-04-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I was running my newly-acquired Z12 (with 1999 firmware) overnight, capturing RINEX data via Lady Heather, using Cesium reference. This morning Lady Heather showed the receiver still tracking satellites and giving time, but the lat/long/elevation were frozen -- lat and long were correct, but

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