Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi First of a few more data plots (sorry if any are duplicates): This is the TDEV of a 3810 against a 5071 and a 3801 run at the same time against the same cesium standard. At its current filter setting, the 3810 is doing a bit better than the 3801 long term. The 3801 is beating the 3810 by a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So here’s the same data on the 15 MHz and 10 MHz output’s on a single box. The phase plot shows that there is indeed some sort of spur coming and going on at least one of the inputs. Based on the plot of the 10 MHz output from a couple weeks back, it’s a good bet that the spur is on 10

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, this one is a little different. It’s the ADEV between the 10 MHz and 15 MHz outputs on the same box. If both were a perfect multiplication of the 5 MHz OCXO, the plot would be much lower from 0.1 to 10 seconds. There’s something getting in the way of perfection. Bob adev 15 vs

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here’s a comparison of the EBSCTM, the 3801 and the 3811 all on one page. Everything inside 10 seconds is the 5071 that is the comparison standard. Bob adev on three.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
HI This one is one of the more significant ones. It shows two Z3810/11/12’s each running against the 5071. It also shows the two running against each other. All are on the 15 MHz output. There are two pretty obvious conclusions: 1) From 0.3 to about 30 seconds the GPSDO’s are better than the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Bob, how is the PN? Glad that after 100s of emails about the serial port on this unit finally someone is finally posting some real data. Still surprised that the ADEV is not as good as the 58503A units I got on eBay. Sent From iPhone On Nov 17, 2014, at 8:22, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi This one is the frequency difference between the 10 MHz and 15 MHz output on one Z3810/11/12 box. It’s a direct result of the phase changes seen on another plot earlier in this series. Any time you have phase modulation, you have frequency modulation …. Just to be very clear- there is no

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I *think* I posted the phase noise plots earlier. I’ll dig them up and post if I forgot. To many years and not enough coffee …. Check the last JPEG image. It takes out the ADEV from the 5071 that is part of the earlier plots. Bob On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Said Jackson via time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, so I *forgot* to post the phase noise plots. At least a quick check does not show them on my copy of posts back from the list. First one is the phase noise on the 10 MHz output. To say the least, it’s pretty rotten. There are a bunch of spurs out to at least 10 KHz. The reference is a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here’s the phase noise on the 15 MHz. There are a few spurs, and an very real hump out at the likely frequency of the Lucent switcher. The 15 MHz is pretty clean compared to most /all of the other units I’ve seen on the surplus market. I would not multiply this up to 40 GHz with a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A few more details to add: The serial com coming out of the GPS has several standard Motorola headers in it: @@Eanormal position message @@EnTRAIM / sawtooth status timing status message @@Bb Visible satellites message @@Bo UTC offset message The first two make sense for a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Stewart Cobb
A wiring diagram of the Z3809A cable interconnect cable was published earlier on this list. That information appears to be incorrect. The cable is actually wired pin 1 to pin 15, pin 2 to pin 14, etc. Another way to describe it is that for each wire in the cable, the pin numbers on each end of

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Hal Murray
stewart.c...@gmail.com said: Perhaps there is a transmit-only UART coded into the FPGA, or perhaps one of the UARTs is timeshared with the Lucent message, or perhaps there is another UART chip hidden somewhere on the board. There is a UART in the MC68301. Page 51 of the data sheet. (They

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok so the correct pairs should be: A 1 15 B 2 14 C 3 13 D 4 12 E 5 11 F 6 10 G 7 11 ground 8 8 Bob On Nov 4, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Stewart

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Götz Romahn
J5 (interconnect) pins are routed to the kathode of smd-ics labeled Z2upperindex3. These look like z-diodes to protect further circuitry from transients. The following pins are routed this way: 1,2,3,4,9,10,11,12,14,15 cheers Götz Am 04.11.2014 13:43, : Hi Ok so the correct pairs should

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Götz Romahn
Am 29.10.2014 04:41, : Until you have the two units tied together and GPS ok and the Fault light out, you won't see the 15 MHz signal. You should see a 5 volt pp square wave of sorts coming out of the 10 MHz port. I found a clean 10 MHz signal on the collector of Q208 and several other

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Stewart: @@Ea see: http://www.prc68.com/I/AtAt.htm VP CMC2003 M12 GT+ UT+ Description PC Cmd Cmd RplyPC Cmd Cmd RplyPC Cmd Cmd RplyPC Cmd Cmd Rply

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Hal Murray
bro...@pacific.net said: UARTs are not mandatory, a simple transistor level shifting circuit is all that's needed for TTL/RS-232 levels. I think you are confusing UARTs with level shifters. In the old days, transistors were expensive enough that a 68000 class CPU was all that could fit on a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Hal: Yes for level shifting. Most micro controllers have the UART built-in so that's all that's needed. I haven't got my boxes so don't know what chips are in them. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Don Latham
Hello all: A little more digging provides the system name: it's a FLEXENT. The reference and a document list are in: http://www.prtc.net/~dixonvaldes/CDMA%20Lazyan2.htm If I go to alcatel/lucent, I arrive at the following site for the flexent system:

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread paul swed
Alcatel Lucent. I did go to the site and do have an account. But the documentation is only available to those with a paid subscription or hardware under warranty. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Hello all: A little more digging provides

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Well, we got these new in the box. Maybe we are in warranty !!! Bob On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:31 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Alcatel Lucent. I did go to the site and do have an account. But the documentation is only available to those with a paid subscription or hardware under

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread paul swed
OK I will just go try that right out. Maybe not. Funny thing warranties do tend to run from the Install date. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Well, we got these new in the box. Maybe we are in warranty !!! Bob On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:31

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes, I would find it very strange if there is any warranty on these at all other from the auction seller. I’d bet they got sold off as scrap with lots of bold print about Lucent not wanting anything to do with them ever again. —— That said - has anybody contacted the auction seller(s)

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-03 Thread Anthony Roby
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Roby Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:12 PM To: Bob Stewart; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Yes I did, with XP running in VirtualBox

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-03 Thread Anthony Roby
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Roby Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:12 PM To: Bob Stewart; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Yes I did, with XP running in VirtualBox

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-02 Thread Stewart Cobb
I have now tested 3 pairs of these units (full Z3810AS system), always in pairs. One Z3811 box was DOA. It drew power at the appropriate level, but the lights did not light up and there was no response on the SatStat port. AECI quickly swapped it for a working unit, and even paid return

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here’s a thought: If you are going to “fit” a unit with a more modern GPS and translate it to “Lucent speak”, are you better off simply starting with an outboard GPS? The main GPS talks to the second box over the 15 pin connector. One would guess that what comes over is a pretty

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 2, 2014, at 4:42 AM, Stewart Cobb stewart.c...@gmail.com wrote: I have now tested 3 pairs of these units (full Z3810AS system), always in pairs. One Z3811 box was DOA. It drew power at the appropriate level, but the lights did not light up and there was no response on the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-02 Thread Bill Riches
System has been fired up for about 48 hours and seems to have settled down a bit by watching scope trace movement between Lucent and thunderbolt (has been on for months). I hooked up Lucent to input of 3586 (sync with thundebolt) and measured 15625 khz with spectrum lab for 8 hours - sample

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Rex
Here's another reference on driving 10-ish MHz square wave outputs via digital chips. A few years ago I hacked my HP Z3816 to covert its 4 - 19.6608 MHz square wave outputs to be 4 more 10 MHz outputs. In the process I reverse engineered some of what was there. I found each of these outputs

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Bob Stewart
-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi I sort of doubt that a GPS aux supply is quite that low current. I have seen some RTC’s that won’t last a month on a coin cell. My recollection is that the Oncore backup is closer to that category than the “many years

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Arthur, Now that you mention it, yes, I do remember your post.  Thanks for the reminder! Bob From: Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:20 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Mike Seguin
Hi Arthur, Found your original picture/post. TNX! http://s906.photobucket.com/user/rjb1998/media/RFTG-uREF1photo1_zps87c505ca.jpg.html Would you share what you did for a 5 MHz buffer? Mike On 10/31/2014 10:20 PM, Arthur Dent wrote: Bob Stewart bob at evoria.net “…I have both of my units

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Oct 31, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Stewart bob at evoria.net “…I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out of standby….” Bob Camp kb8tq at n1k.org “I suspect

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Bob Camp
time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi I sort of doubt that a GPS aux supply is quite that low current. I have seen some RTC’s that won’t last a month on a coin

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Bob Camp
] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A,Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi I suspect that somebody will have to figure out what the 15 pin connector / jumper is doing. On previous RFTG units there was a way to re-wire the crossover interface to fake out the slave detect process

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Anthony Roby
For those who missed it, Arthur's post is at https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2010-June/047825.html and the photo is at http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/RFTG-uREF1photo1_zps87c505ca.jpg Anthony -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Brooke Clarke
@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out of standby. I am

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Brooke Clarke
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi I sort of doubt that a GPS aux supply is quite that low current. I have seen some RTC’s that won’t last

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-11-01 Thread Bob Camp
, 2014 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out of standby. I am using GPSCon to monitor

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Mike Seguin
signal on some pin or other. Bob From: Anthony Roby ar...@antamy.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Stewart
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Tom Miller
, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out of standby. I am using GPSCon to monitor and it appears to work fine. One thing on my units, when I power

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system (Bob Camp)

2014-10-31 Thread n2lym
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Message-ID: 7c7537c3-d3cb-490f-99f3-d54af04e9...@n1k.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi I wonder if anybody has a copy of Ulrich’s source code? If so, there might

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bill Riches
Hi Bob, I connected 10 MHZ test jack output to a 15 db el-cheepo CATV amp and the output of that to a 4 way splitter. Splitter outputs went to 3336-3586 and counter. All seem to like the ref signal. Output of the amp takes makes the semi-square wave into a sick saw tooth. Amp is only rated

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system (Bob Camp)

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:49:06 -0400 From: Bob Camp To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Message-ID: 7c7537c3-d3cb-490f-99f3-d54af04e9...@n1k.org Content

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Oct 31, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Bob, I connected 10 MHZ test jack output to a 15 db el-cheepo CATV amp and the output of that to a 4 way splitter. Splitter outputs went to 3336-3586 and counter. All seem to like the ref signal. Output of

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Graham / KE9H
Bill: On cable TV systems, 50 MHz to 500 (or higher) are the forward channel. (Head-end to client.) Below 30 MHz is the reverse channel, for data going from the client to the cable company. The band 30 to 50 is a cross over zone for the band splitting filters. It is designed to not amplify the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: I've noticed the same.  In looking at the Satstat program, it appears that when you enter a location, that's only treated as a hint.  There is also a value you can set to zero that supposedly tells it to come up with the last hold value.  It didn't seem to work for me. 

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A $0.15 each dual / quad / hex / octal buffer IC’s will get you 15 dbm per pair of gates. For under $10 in active parts you can have 30 or 40 outputs. I suspect that if you look inside the 3812 that’s exactly how they are generating the 10 MHz you are looking at. Bob On Oct 31, 2014,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
, October 31, 2014 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out of standby. I am using GPSCon

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I'm still having no luck with mine. When I power on, the LEDs cycle, the Fault light

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system (Bob Camp)

2014-10-31 Thread Mike S
On 10/31/2014 6:14 PM, Bob Camp wrote: check a DB-9-M and DB-9-F ITYM DE-9-P and DE-9-S. Sorry, it's a pet peeve. 'taint no such thing as a DB-9, and the gender is Pin or Socket because male and female are ambiguous given the physical construction.

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One other possibility: The GPS does a fast survey to get going. Then it starts a long / precision survey. It only stores the result if it finishes the precision survey. A good survey might be 10, 24, 48 or 72 hours…. Sure would be nice to have some basic info on these beasts …. Bob On

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Brooke Clarke
time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to connect them together to get

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
...@burlingtontelecom.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-31 Thread Tom Miller
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A,Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi I suspect that somebody will have to figure out what the 15 pin connector / jumper is doing. On previous RFTG units there was a way to re

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Götz Romahn
Just a hint: I tried successfully Ulrichs Z38XX software (http://www.ulrich-bangert.de/html/downloads.html) in Windows7-32. At least the Manual Command Entry and the Debug Window should work. regards Götz Am 29.10.2014 23:55, : Hi One thing that might help others who are having issues with

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Götz Romahn
and here comes another trick: Ulrich's Z38XX can be persuaded to accept the Z3811 instead of an Z3805. For this to happen search with an Hex-editor in Z38XX twice for the string z3805 and replace this z3805 with z3811, save the changes and enjoy the various Views Ulrich provided. Götz Am

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Götz Romahn
I also tried Steward Cobbs RS422 - Rs232 hack but with no joy in the beginning. First I had used the standard RS232 com1 port of my computer with no success. Later I tried my Prolific USB-to Serial adapter and things got better. After some measurments and looking at the pinout of the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Roby
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Riches Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:10 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system My system arrived today in original unopened boxes. Hooked up 24

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Stewart
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I'm still having no luck with mine.  When I power on, the LEDs cycle, the Fault light is on and the No GPS and Standby lights flash

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Tom Miller
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A,Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I'm still having no luck with mine. When I power on, the LEDs cycle, the Fault light is on and the No GPS and Standby

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I'm still having no luck with mine. When I power on, the LEDs cycle, the Fault light is on and the No GPS and Standby lights flash. When I connect my GPS antenna

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
:52 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I played around today with these interfaces and couldn't get anything out of them. I still don't have my GPS connected, but I would have thought I'd see something out of one

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Roby
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi Anthony, Did you power cycle both units as part of connecting them together at J5 to J5?  And can you remind me whether you are using the supplied

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I wonder if anybody has a copy of Ulrich’s source code? If so, there might be somebody on the list willing to rework it for the 3810 series and the more modern operating systems. Bob On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Götz Romahn go...@g-romahn.de wrote: and here comes another trick:

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Stewart
: Anthony Roby ar...@antamy.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system I was finally able to get my units to lock

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Roby
. Anthony Original message From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net Date: 2014/10/30 21:04 (GMT-06:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi Anthony

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Hal Murray
tmiller11...@verizon.net said: I am trying to find out how they triple the 5 MHz to get 15 MHz. Maybe it can be changed to just double to 10 MHz. There are a few inductors on the board and that may make for a filter. The Fourier expansion of a square wave is odd harmonics. To get 15 from 5,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Anthony Roby
: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Until you have the two units tied together and GPS ok and the Fault light out, you won't see the 15 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Bill Riches
My system arrived today in original unopened boxes. Hooked up 24 volts and a gps antenna and it locked in about an hour and 10 MHZ output as compared with thunderbolt GPS seems to be working just great. No trace movement on scope using thunderbolt as trigger and looking at Lucent 10 MHZ output.

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think it’s safe to guess that the full 3810 (3811 + 3812) cost in the vicinity of $2K when new in 2001. Bob On Oct 29, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Bill Riches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: My system arrived today in original unopened boxes. Hooked up 24 volts and a gps antenna and it locked

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One thing that might help others who are having issues with these units: Which pins did power go to? Which pins do you see RX (and maybe TX) data on? Which cables went where (and their pinout) to interconnect this or that? What software are you using? Yes, One could make some pretty

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Tom Miller
: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A,Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi One thing that might help others who are having issues with these units: Which pins did power go to? Which pins do you see RX (and maybe TX) data on? Which cables went where (and their pinout

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-29 Thread Bob Camp
Message - From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A,Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi One thing that might

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-28 Thread Anthony Roby
I played around today with these interfaces and couldn't get anything out of them. I still don't have my GPS connected, but I would have thought I'd see something out of one of the ports. I tested the serial port on my PC and that is working, but I don't see anything of note coming off the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-28 Thread Tom Miller
More on the 10 MHz output. The duty cycle is 60/40%, ground referenced waveform (bottom of waveform at 0 volts). It wants to see 50 ohms for termination. Syncronis with the 15 MHz sine output and seems to come from a divide by 1.5 divider. I have more digging to do but it's late. Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-28 Thread Tom Miller
program run under windows? Regards, Tom - Original Message - From: Anthony Roby ar...@antamy.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Dave M
Stu, Many thanks for the heads-up on htese units. Great deals. Can you advise the size of these units? Are they full-size 19 rack mount or the half-size units like the Z3801A? Can the REF-1 unit (the one with the GPS receiver) be operated separately from the REF-0 unit? There is a mod on

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Glen Hoag
Dave, The seller is offering the REF-0 and REF-1 units at $75 each plus shipping. When I searched for Lucent KS-24361, I found the original item with both, as well as the individual units. --Glen Hoag h...@hiwaay.net At 10:22 AM 10/20/2014, you wrote: Stu, Many thanks for the heads-up on

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Anthony Roby
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Stu, Many thanks for the heads-up on htese units. Great deals. Can you advise the size of these units? Are they full-size 19 rack mount or the half-size units like the Z3801A? Can the REF-1 unit

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Stewart
these are? Bob - AE6RV From: Glen Hoag h...@hiwaay.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Stewart
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Hi Glen, I'm looking at this unit, but I have to say that I can't make any sense from the listing. I don't know what the REF-0 and REF-1 units do, and I don't know whether they need

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Stewart
Stu said: Power is applied to the connector labeled +24VDC and P1, in exactly the same way as the earlier RFTG units. Apply +24V to pin 1 and the other side of the power supply (GND or RTN) to pin 2. In these units, that power supply goes directly to an isolated Lucent DC/DC converter brick

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-20 Thread Dave M
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave M Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:22 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system Stu, Many thanks for the heads-up on htese units. Great deals