Ok, Christopher - we're not stupid engineers in need for
an intro course on performance.
I think it's obvious that tomcat3.3 has 'improved performance'
over 3.2, and 4.1 has 'improved performance' over 4.0.
I don't think anyone can argue with that, and we don't
have any test suite to prove
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Bill Barker wrote:
So far, the only concrete suggestion is Christopher's benchmark suite. I
personally think that it's a better fit with, say, Cactus (and if the
proposal included bundling Cactus with Tomcat, I'm guessing that he'd have
the Cactus group falling all
I allways use read/write on Unix instead of recv/send.
It works way better.
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Thanks for your help.
track the release announce and thanks to make
the build on sparcs.
You should give us informations on compiler and linker used.
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Profiling tools and internal benchmarks answer different
questions. You don't use a profiling tool instead of a
benchmark, you use it with a benchmark.
+1 :)
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I think it's obvious that tomcat3.3 has 'improved performance'
over 3.2, and 4.1 has 'improved performance' over 4.0.
I don't think anyone can argue with that, and we don't
have any test suite to prove it.
Not _that_ obvious... Do we have _NUMBERS_
Craig... One question: have you ever worked on a site that
ONLY IN SERVLET
REQUESTS does something like 10 MILLIONS requests a day (and
you have to be
called out at 3 AM on a Saturday morning because things don't work?)
Pier, I also works in production environment and make my best to
avoid
Not _that_ obvious... Do we have _NUMBERS_ ??? And not just
numbers in terms
of reqs/sec, but also in comparison to a long-run test with %
of CPU time
used, and IO usage (uptime)...
It is impossible ( IMHO ) to put some real number on
that ( or on 'cleaner code' or 'better community' ).
How
That's what Mladen commited ;)
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Sorry, im dumb ;-)
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jk_channel_socket.c
That's what Mladen commited ;)
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Contributors :
We'll need people using others platform like HP-UX, AIX,
Solaris (sparc/intel), MacOS/X (Pier ?), OS/390, OS/400
to build mod_jk 1.2.0 after I tag it and release the tarball.
I can compile it under AIX 4.3.3 if you send me sources.
Arnaud H
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Glenn Nielsen wrote:
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Glenn Nielsen wrote:
[snip]
Providing a great java web server is not a goal of Tomcat.
[snip]
I didn't know cats could talk :-).
I didn't know that Glenn, or Pier, or any single developer, speaks for the
entire Tomcat
Thanks to track tomcat-dev and wait for release announce
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I'll do the french translation :)
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hgomez 2002/06/24 02:36:47
Added: webapps/examples/WEB-INF/classes LocalStrings_fr.properties
Log:
PR: French translation of example webapp properties
BTW: my first TC 4.1 contribution ;)
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GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig, be real... Tomcat, despite the beautiful design we have
for Catalina,
and we have to give you KUDOS for that, is not _yet_ ready to
be used in
production... It simply doesn't work, it doesn't deliver the same
performance and reliability that (for
Good... Prove it to me. Come up with a proposal of some
friggin' sort...
FWIW even 4.2.x doesn't address any of my concerns, and it's
not even out
working yet... Talking about 5.0 is a little bit premature maybe?
But that's my vision... The vision of an old fart who has been
around for
quite
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I make extensive tests on Tomcat 3.3.1/4.0.4, http connectors
and mod_jk 1.2.0/Apache 1.3/2.0.
BTW, I could say that I launch nigthly tests involving 10 millions
calls to HelloWorldExample servlets on both Tomcats and never got
a single error.
So I
So I think that both Tomcats should be considered stable.
My officemates thank you for the 5 minutes of hysterical
laughter you gave
to us in this bright radiant sunny morning in London... Much
appreciated..
It was a pleasure ;)
If your site is built up by HelloWorldExample servlets, then,
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig, be real... Tomcat, despite the beautiful design we have
for Catalina,
and we have to give you KUDOS for that, is not _yet_ ready to
be used in
production... It simply doesn't work, it doesn't deliver the same
performance and
Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We did, and apparently, there are 3 people disagreeing with the new
proposal (one of whom because he just doesn't care, to quote his own words).
I don't care about a mediocre servlet engine aimed to small-to-medium scale
websites that don't get 8
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Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We did, and apparently, there are 3 people disagreeing with the new
proposal (one of whom because he just doesn't care, to quote his own words).
I don't care about a mediocre servlet engine aimed to small-to-medium scale
Hi all,
We're all probably aware of the high amount of noise on tomcat-user
regarding configuring datasources and jndi in TC 4. Having battled through
it and submitted a brief how-to for the solution that works for me, I'm
proposing updating the TC documentation to include this and a couple of
GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If your site is built up by HelloWorldExample servlets, then, ok, I'm
going to shut up about TC's reliability in production environments..
Ok, I must admin, we're also using snoop.jsp and dates.jsp ;)
That's so great...
(note: http://www.vnunet.com/
Bah... If you guys stop being ridiculous and come up with a
proposal that is
something more than a couple of buzzwords, I'll shut up...
(Hint Hint) :)
Excuse me Pier, but when I see that you, an OSS developper,
long time Apache Member, one of the original JServ author
and member of the Tomcat
Ok... Now you said (correct me if I'm wrong), that your site
has 5000/1
servlets request per day, right?
My setup is for more than ONE clients, many clients, many JVM,
many tomcats, but with an average of 5000/1 reqs by client
site by days.
And now you say that to handle that load,
Les Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
We're all probably aware of the high amount of noise on tomcat-user
regarding configuring datasources and jndi in TC 4. Having battled through
it and submitted a brief how-to for the solution that works for me, I'm
proposing updating the TC
Hi Pier,
Yes, I can confirm that I am using the prefork mpm.
Excuse my ignorance but what does that mean?
Is that the problem?
Should I rebuild Apache using the --enable-threads option instead?
Best Regards
Asar Khan
GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bah... If you guys stop being ridiculous and come up with a
proposal that is
something more than a couple of buzzwords, I'll shut up...
(Hint Hint) :)
Excuse me Pier, but when I see that you, an OSS developper,
long time Apache Member, one of the
Hi,
Thanks for the kind feedback (this list can be a bit intimidating you
know!). I did try to create the DS in the default context but had no joy -
usual null ctx, no-helpful-info-in-the-logs kind of thing that seems to be
standard for mucking about in this area ;-) But then I reasoned Why
Excuse me Pier, but when I see that you, an OSS developper,
long time Apache Member, one of the original JServ author
and member of the Tomcat 4.x development team member use at
works ServletExecAS/4.1 (http://uptime.netcraft.com/)
instead of any of products he developped, he make me laugth
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:51:12AM +0100, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Albert Chin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:23:04PM +0200, Nico Seessle wrote:
At first let me warn you. Normally I'm really bad at C programming.
I had some problems building and running mod_webapp
Albert Chin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:51:12AM +0100, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Albert Chin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:23:04PM +0200, Nico Seessle wrote:
At first let me warn you. Normally I'm really bad at C programming.
I had some problems
Henri thinks we should discuss that here, so I'm forwarding the original
mail.
Basically I don't like the time. The alternative is to use something
like GetTickCount().
The patch uses the semi-dynamic endpoint cache. One should set the high
enough worker.cachesize, and the number of opened
Henri thinks we should discuss that here, so I'm forwarding
the original mail.
Sure that's OSS way ;)
Basically I don't like the time. The alternative is to use something
like GetTickCount().
there is no gettickcount under Unix, but you could use gettickcount on
WIN32 if it's faster.
The
What about also to replace difftime(x, y) by
y - x ?
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A while ago [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted an obvious bug when recycling sessions. But this was
for Tomcat 4.1.x and the bug is still in Tomcat 4.0.x. Here is the patch against 4.0.4:
*** StandardSession.java.orig Sun Jun 23 00:06:43 2002
--- StandardSession.javaSun Jun 23 00:07:16
Hello,
For what it is worth, here is a quote from a famous person:
The significant problems we face in life cannot be solved at the same
level of thinking we were at when we created them Albert Einstein.
There exists a problem of scaleability with Tomcat. To solve the
problem, you will need
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From: GOMEZ Henri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24. lipanj 2002 14:21
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: RE: mod_jk cache and socket timeout
Basically I don't like the time. The alternative is to use something
like GetTickCount().
there is no
The APR on unix for apr_time_now() uses gettimeofday, and then we could
use the timeval's tv_sec, and on WIN32 GetTickCount, since all that
matters is the time interval.
gettimeofday may cost a little bit more and it's not necessary
to have tv_usec for timeout count in seconds or minutes.
For
Hi -
I've written a paper on Future directions in web architecture that
might be of interest to people on these list(s). Since I'm thinking
about submitting it as an informational RFC, I'd like to get some
feedback. Here's its abstract:
Differentiates between connection-oriented and
Hi,
As promised, a patch for the documentation. Have a read and let me know of
any improvements. Also, I think we could do with an Oracle example and
perhaps breaking the tutorial stuff out into another file?
Bye,
Les
P.S. Not really a CVS expert - hope this patch is OK.
Hello everyone,
I am writing about an issue on invalidation of sessions.
In the current implementation, a session is deleted from the Database when
it is invalidated. Is this really the behavior expected?
I mean, if there is an attribute to specify if a session is valid or not,
a session that
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Sent: 24. lipanj 2002 17:33
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Subject: RE: mod_jk cache and socket timeout
The APR on unix for apr_time_now() uses gettimeofday, and
then we could
use the timeval's tv_sec, and on WIN32
The APR on unix for apr_time_now() uses gettimeofday, and
then we could
use the timeval's tv_sec, and on WIN32 GetTickCount, since all that
matters is the time interval.
gettimeofday may cost a little bit more and it's not
necessary to have tv_usec for timeout count in seconds or
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From: GOMEZ Henri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24. lipanj 2002 17:57
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: RE: mod_jk cache and socket timeout
to be simple we could just use time() and getdifftime for
1.2.0 release. 1.2.1 could use more sophisticated code.
to be simple we could just use time() and getdifftime for
1.2.0 release. 1.2.1 could use more sophisticated code.
+1.
I'll rearange the cache_timeout to use the 0 as default meaning
disabled, OK?
+1 at both, if my opinion matters ;-)
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+1 at both, if my opinion matters ;-)
Yes, it count.
So Mladen, let's go and commit.
We all three (others welcomed) will make another stress-test
operation tomorrow.
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Subject: RE: mod_jk cache and socket timeout
+1 at both, if my opinion matters ;-)
Yes, it count.
So Mladen, let's go and commit.
We all three
Hello everyone,
I am writing about an issue on invalidation of sessions.
In the current implementation, a session is deleted from the Database when
it is invalidated. Is this really the behavior expected?
I have been looking over the code some, and I think that behavior is
correct. I
Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note that nobody (including me) is arguing about whether some refactoring
is necessary -- it obviously is. I'll forward my list of favorite targets
in due course. But I care for Tomcat users of all types, who need
different sets of features; and
I'm sorry for jumping in, but I couldn't help throwing in some
performance notes from one of our own servers --
Ultra10, Solaris 7, 512 Meg RAM, running Tomcat 3.3.1 with Apache 1.3.x
with ssl and a huge mod_rewrite section. Also running a MySQL database
and a RealServer with 60 simultaneous
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Mladen Turk wrote:
IMO there are two ways to fix that behavior. Either to open the channels
on server startup (that wouldn't work for IIS), or build a mechanism
that would assure that all the requests are locked until the channel
opening function returns.
Thoughts?
It seems we have 3 -1 votes so far. While majority is required, I think
we all agree that getting everyone ( reasonable ) involved and comfortable
with the proposal is very important ( and one of the goals of 5.0 ).
Christopher: I think we should add your requirement for performance
testing to
Hi,
here are some performance tests. I don't know why it's faster with the
patch...
Dual PIII 1 GHz, 512MB, Red Hat 7.1, ab running on another machine, 100
Mbit NICs
d:- Jan
--- with options
--- socket_timeout=900
--- cache_timeout=15
Server Software:Apache/1.3.22
Server Hostname:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Christopher K. St. John wrote:
And I can assure you that everyone
working on performance seriously is running those test
and evaluating the performance periodically.
Nah, I'm not going to take your word for it. Taking your
assurance on performance would be
Costin,
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Kin-Man Chung wrote:
Use of scripting varibles in nested tag never work before, so obviously
no body uses it much. I think the whole scripting variable in JSP1.2 is
poorly designed, and not well understood.
The failures are from an app that worked
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It seems we have 3 -1 votes so far. While majority is required, I think
we all agree that getting everyone ( reasonable ) involved and comfortable
with the proposal is very important ( and one of the goals of 5.0 ).
+1.
Christopher: I think we should add your
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Kin-Man Chung wrote:
Use of scripting varibles in nested tag never work before, so obviously
no body uses it much. I think the whole scripting variable in JSP1.2 is
poorly designed, and not well understood.
The failures are from an app that worked perfectly
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Remy Maucherat wrote:
+1 to start a new commons subproject.
If everyone else wants to see the bench webapp here, then I'll remove my
-1. However, it sounds generic, and not at all dependent on Tomcat, so
that's why I think it would be a lot better in the commons.
Remy Maucherat wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems we have 3 -1 votes so far. While majority is required, I think
we all agree that getting everyone ( reasonable ) involved and
comfortable
with the proposal is very important ( and one of the goals of 5.0 ).
+1.
Christopher:
My problem is that code that worked with jasper1 no longer works with
jasper2.
And I believe the use case is valid and within the spec, and quite
common.
The latest failure is just 2 iterate tags and a condition tag -
I think it should work.
Costin
With the Jan's patch last
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It seems we have 3 -1 votes so far.
For completeness's sake, who are the 3 -1s? Not all the members of this list
have the entire day to read all that happens around here...
Pier
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
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It seems we have 3 -1 votes so far.
For completeness's sake, who are the 3 -1s? Not all the members of this list
have the entire day to read all that happens around here...
Glenn, Christopher and you.
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Kin-Man Chung wrote:
With the Jan's patch last Friday, jasper 2 should handle those cases
that used to work for japser1, as well as those those that cannot be
handled by jasper1. If this is not the case, please let me know.
The current failing case is ( used to work
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However, it sounds generic, and not at all dependent on Tomcat, so
that's why I think it would be a lot better in the commons.
Maybe watchdog would be a better place for it.
Watchdog is an official TCK, so it's
remm2002/06/24 12:32:39
Modified:coyote build.xml
Log:
- Revert change (that would require having TC 3.3 to build the HTTP/1.1
protocol handler).
Revision ChangesPath
1.10 +6 -6 jakarta-tomcat-connectors/coyote/build.xml
Index: build.xml
i just did some quick tests with scriptlet and jsp tag pages. Both
result in out of memory error after a couple hundred hits using JMeter
for benchmarking. Has anyone else seen this?
peter lin
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Watchdog is an official TCK
Actually, Watchdog is not an official TCK (just wanted to make this
clear). It's nothing more than a test suite that uses the same test
source.
However, I do agree that performance analysis in not the goal of
Watchdog.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems we have 3 -1 votes so far.
For completeness's sake, who are the 3 -1s? Not all the members of this list
have the entire day to read all that
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
That's why counts where not right on my side of the border... I don't recall
vetoing the proposal... I just complained vehemently that I'd prefer to see
4.0 out of the door and stable rather than a 4.1 and a 5.0...
4.0 is out of door - the release
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
That's why counts where not right on my side of the border... I don't recall
vetoing the proposal... I just complained vehemently that I'd prefer to see
4.0 out of the door and stable rather than a 4.1
But if anyone is interested I'd like to explore the opportunity of a
Tomcat-HA (high-availability or hard-edition), based on 4.0
without the
crap in there, and straightening out the request-response model...
+1000
Please do it, you could call it Road-Runner :)
BTW: Did not want to
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ContextResourceMBean.java NamingResourcesMBean.java
mbeans-descriptors.xml
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
I can't be a RM for 4.0.4 because I would simply remove 70% of the code, and
kiddies would start crying their butts off because they don't have the
manager application, or JSP support :)
I don't think you can remove JSP support - tomcat would no
amyroh 2002/06/24 14:12:30
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Pass all the required fields for initialization of resources.
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jakarta-tomcat-connectors/http11/src/java/org/apache/coyote/http11/Constants.java
peter lin wrote:
i just did some quick tests with scriptlet and jsp tag pages. Both
result in out of memory error after a couple hundred hits using JMeter
for benchmarking. Has anyone else seen this?
I saw a few reports like that in tc-user, and I'm investigating.
So I'd like more details.
simple patch to ignore response header changes (by included servlets)
via setLocale.
-Arvind
Index: ApplicationHttpResponse.java
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Modified:jasper2/src/share/org/apache/jasper/servlet
JspServletWrapper.java
Log:
- Remove traces (put them back if they were there for a good reason).
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
I can't be a RM for 4.0.4 because I would simply remove 70% of the code, and
kiddies would start crying their butts off because they don't have the
manager application, or JSP support :)
I don't think
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
I can't be a RM for 4.0.4 because I would simply remove 70% of the code, and
kiddies would start crying their butts off because they don't have the
manager application, or JSP support :)
But if anyone is interested I'd like to explore the opportunity of a
Tomcat-HA
BTW: Did not want to take part on the nice flamaewar started for the
occasion of the 5.0 proposal, was so nice, not very bloody for my taste,
but nice :))
Yeah, it's just not the same without Jon and Paulo. ;-)
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I don't see that much to remove. I assume JNDI is the ever popular
target, but I didn't notice it causing major problems (either
performance or reliability), so I'd say it's not worth it.
Actually, I have a complaint... 4.1.3 tries to write into my
Hi Gomez,
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Hi Amy,
I'll do the french translation :)
Awesome.
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To: Tomcat
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Glenn Nielsen wrote:
+1 to add a Tomcat specific performance testing/benchmark repository.
Perhaps it would be best if it were in its own repository,
jakarta-tomcat-benchmark ? I will help as I have time.
I think we have 3 +1s and one -1 - maybe Remy can change his
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