Ah okay. Point taken by both messages.
> Ah, Okay then.. welp I am confused... you said it had proprietary binaries
in it I thought.
No, it doesn't. I'm not sure what part of my posts you got that impression
from, but PlayOnLinux is libre. What it has is installation recipes for
proprietary software, since that's the job it's
> Since PlayOnLinux itself is already libre, the only way to make it "more"
libre would be to remove support for proprietary games. onpon4's point is
that since the only use for PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games,
removing support for proprietary games would make it useless.
Exactly.
> What if I feel that your comments are spam?
onpon4 makes many posts here that have helped people, including you, so if her
comments seem unreasonable to you I'd ask her to clarify what she means instead
of dismissing them. I think this is just a miscommunication resulting from the
nuance
Ah, Okay then.. welp I am confused... you said it had proprietary binaries in
it I thought.
Well either way, I still find it good to use playonlinux or winetricks rather
then use straight forward windows or other proprietary oses.
Take it for what it is worth. :/
> Don't you see the contradiction in this? You want to make it possible to
play proprietary games "without... anything proprietary". That is literally
speaking impossible. If X is a subset of Y, you can't have X with no Y.
Apple is a fruit.
Steve Job long time ago probably: I will make
Person A: I want this.
Person B: Try this.
Person C: Why do want this? This is not point.
Person A/B: Person A (and perhaps) others want this because of X.
Person C: But just use Z.
Person A/B: But X seems a little bit cooler, let's talk about that.
Person C: No, there is no point.
etc etc
and perhaps others* (typo)
I understand your confusion.
Let me explain in another way:
I love FLOSS culture.
I love DotA 1.
Being able to play DotA 1 entirely through free software would make me very
happy.
Before Wine, the only method of playing DotA 1 was to have Windows.
Wine is a step towards the desire of
Spam definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming
> You see. My favorite game, the game I grew up with and I love is DotA 1.
This game is a game inside the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne. This game is
proprietary and it is made for a proprietary OS.
And what's going to help you install that is PlayOnLinux. Not a "libre"
version that strips out
> What I mean by a libre playonlinux or winetricks-libre, is an effort to
make it possible to play windows games without any blobs or anything
proprietary at all.
Don't you see the contradiction in this? You want to make it possible to play
proprietary games "without... anything
I disagree strongly with this, our first goal as a libre community is to get
people off of... PROPRIETARY OPERATING SYSTEMS!
Such as crapple, winblows and google crapbooks...
Your context is meaningless for this reason. Such purity is admirable for
libre culture, but it is harmful to expect
You are both saying things like "things is great", "this is bad" like you are
some sort of authority. Please be more specific and explaining.
> but it ain't so.
Why? Why not?
What if I feel that your comments are spam?
Feel free to feel but it ain't so. Onpon4, in my books, is one of the most
proficient contributors to this forum. You should pay attention to ewhat she
has to say.
The way I see your behaviour is that you are comming into posts and comments
and just comments negative things.
I have a suggestion for you :
Look at the titles in the forum, do you see a title where you can contribute
to thread topic or help the OP, please contribute.
If you see nothing
What if I feel that your comments are spam?
Your language is very ultimatistic. You are using words like "there is", "it
is", and forgetting that not everybody shares your opinion.
For you, there is no point in having a libre playonlinux. For me that would
be totally awesome and definitely something to strive against.
You see. My
On a side note, I know this has been said a hundred times, but whoever used
the downvote button on my posts, stop doing that. That button was added to
mark spam and rule-breaking posts, not disagreement. I disagree with its
existence, but as long as it's there, please do not abuse it.
Please do not ignore context. I said there's no use for a *libre version* of
PlayOnLinux, because the whole point of it is to play proprietary games. If
PlayOnLinux doesn't have its installation recipes and configuration values
for proprietary Windows-only games, it does nothing for you,
> I know very few people who have gone from Windows to a FSF endorsed distro
in one step.
I did:)
PS. Agree with all you said.
Probably because the software that removes HTML tags interprets it as one
(since an HTML tag begins with a less-than sign).
When you quote text this way, the two left angle brackets you use to end the
quote and all text following get left out of the message sent to the mailing
list. I don't know why this is, but if you stick with only the two right
angle brackets at the beginning of each quoted paragraph this
onpon wrote:
>> There's no use for it. The whole point of PlayOnLinux is to play
proprietary games that are only available for Windows.
>> Wine is just a Windows API compatibility layer; it's useful for running
proprietary programs that aren't available for GNU/Linux
No, PlayOnLinux uses Wine. PlayOnLinux is literally just designed to give
proper configuration values for particular proprietary programs people want
to install.
Wine is just a Windows API compatibility layer; it's useful for running
proprietary programs that aren't available for
Then why bother with making wine...
Isn't that the same concept...?
There's no use for it. The whole point of PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary
games that are only available for Windows.
Why does no one, make a winetricks-libre/playonlinux-libre for
trisquel/parabola?
> One question though: what about files/directories that is part of the
> playonlinux program but does not contain "playonlinux" in its name?
If there were any then this would be a more complicated task, but looking at
the makefile I don't think there are.
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I think this is a great idea.
> Finally, when using a 100% free code distro like Trisquel (or
> Parabola or any of the others endorsed by the FSF), installing
> software from PPAs, or from the web, or compiling from source, can
> result in proprietary software being introduced into your system."
This is incredibly cool! :D thank you so much for this!
One question though: what about files/directories that is part of the
playonlinux program but does not contain "playonlinux" in its name?
While I definitely see the value in sharing CLI knowledge and skills, I think
it's important to start with a link to a disclaimer along the lines of:
"On a desktop GNU-Linux system like Trisquel, installing software using
anything other than the package manager (via apt-get or a GUI like
> Now how do I completely uninstall it after I've built it?
From the makefile, it looks like each file either is named or is in a directory
named something with "playonlinx" or "PlayOnLinux" as a substring, so that's
what we'd need to get rid of.
First lets get rid of our clone of the
I think everything is in your home folder. Since you compiled it from git
sources, it must be removed by hand. Remove the respective folder and its
contents, files and binaries. Look for dot-files (something like
.playonlinux). They are hidden files or directories. Remove them as well.
In
You might want to open a new thread and provide some specific information on
the piece of software you are trying to install. Getting programs to run in
Wine (PlayOnLinux is a tool to manage programs that are run using Wine) can
be a bit hit-and-miss sometimes and it can be hard to find
Now how do I completely uninstall it after I've built it?
:)
> Hi, with supreme guidance from mason and other (and some searxing)
> PlayOnLinux was successfully installed by building it. Thank you to
> all the helpful contributions.
Congrats! I can see from your posts that you are learning and getting the hang
of this.
> Aha, so "bin"-folder are what to
Hi, with supreme guidance from mason and other (and some searxing)
PlayOnLinux was successfully installed by building it. Thank you to all the
helpful contributions.
Continuation 2:
> "To fix this, add
SHELL=/bin/bash
at the top of Makefile and try again.
$ sudo make install
That worked! Now let's try to run the program."
When I did that I got this output: https://pastebin.com/iBQcPakF
To me that doesn't look the regular "it worked" message. Usually
Type man make and it will shed some light on the subject. The makefile text
file is involved.
I see :)
Thank you for stopping by onpon4.
> The new line suggested explicitly makes it use GNU bash.
When I am i the POL-POM-4 directory and run "$ make" or "$ make install",
what exactly am I telling the terminal to do? Am I telling it to do something
with the Makefile?
I guess there's a makefile that you need to edit.
Makefile is a text file. He means to add that as a new line at the top of it.
The new line suggested explicitly make it use GNU bash.
Interesting indeed.
Anyway, do you happen to know what mason means when he says:
"The problem is that the makefile does not specify which shell to use, and we
are defaulting to one that doesn't support brace expansion. To fix this, add
SHELL=/bin/bash
at the top of Makefile and try
Historically, shells have evolved and grown out of earlier shells by adding
new features or have been developed from scratch because of license
considerations. You need a way to pass commands and interact with the kernel
and other programs, so the shell is out there to take care of that.
But most of the time the terminal (the car) just defaults to a certain shell
(engine) even though we are trying to feed it the incompatible fuel?
Oh, okay :)
So a terminal can use many different "programs" (shells) to interpret the
commands? Any the different "programs" (shells) work in different ways.
Can an analogy be a car with an engine running on diesel and a car with an
engine running gasoline (haha I searx'd "gasoline" and
But in contrast to the car which has an engine (shell) that can only use on
type of fuel (for example only bash). The terminal (the car) can swap out the
engine (shell) if we specifically need diesel (/bin/bash) to get to a certain
location?
In this context, a shell is the comman interpreter. Usually it's bash.
You can find out which shell you're using.
echo $SHELL
Continuation:
> No errors. Let's see what's in bin now.
$ ls bin
check_dd_amd64.bz2 check_dd_x86.bz2 playonlinux playonlinux-check_dd
playonlinux-pkg
Same as me :)
> Looks good. Now we'll use 'make install' to install the program.
Allright, so after one has done "$ make" one does "$ make
Never mind, I searx'd "fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory",
and someone suggested to install libx11-dev.
Now $ make gives me:
gcc -O2 ./src/check_direct_rendering.c -o ./bin/playonlinux-check_dd -lGL
-lX11
./src/check_direct_rendering.c:33:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such
> You need to be specific about what went wrong in order for us to help.
I was able to install PlayOnLinux using the guide on their own website for
the Ubuntu Trusty version.
However, when I was using the program (PlayOnLinux that is) and was trying to
install a program that was not one of
> Rather than only telling you how, I'm going to walk you through the problem
solving process by which I figured out how. You'll notice that I don't really
know what I'm doing. I just try things, figure out why they didn't work, fix
the problem, and repeat until everything works. I suggest
When I saw this thread, I thought about mentioning this, but it seems it is
irrelevant now that you did so... kudos!
Yeah, I was searching for "icotool" in Synaptic, which was the reason why I
didn't find it - not sure what I was thinking. :P
Even wine installed fine this time.
> Yeah I tried that method without luck also.
You need to be specific about what went wrong in order for us to help. When
something doesn't work, specify what you expected to happen and what happened
instead.
For now though, try the instructions from my last post, since I know that it
works
Yeah I tried that method without luck also.
I was able to install the trusty version, but the program would not let me
install "non-listed programs".
> How do I do that?:)
Rather than only telling you how, I'm going to walk you through the problem
solving process by which I figured out how. You'll notice that I don't really
know what I'm doing. I just try things, figure out why they didn't work, fix
the problem, and repeat until everything
I haven't tried it myself in Trisquel, but PlayOnLinux is written in Python
and doesn't need to be built.
On the PlayOnLinux download page, click "All distributions" and download the
generic package and extract it. Then run ./playonlinux (the file is actually
not an executable, it's a
> you can always build it yourself
How do I do that?:)
> Here I am on PlayOnLinux' website trying to install PlayOnLinux and
> notice that there is noe xenial version, only trusty.
>
> Does this mean that PlayOnLinux is incompatible with Trisquel 8?
It means that the binary they provide was compiled for Ubuntu 14.04, on which
Trisquel 7 is based.
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