From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:23:24 -0500
Perry wrote:
> Salvation does not remove us from the POWER
> of sin as you stated below. Our jutstification
Perry wrote:
> Salvation does not remove us from the POWER
> of sin as you stated below. Our jutstification
> through Christ removes us from the PENALTY of sin
> (which is death), and we enter into [eternal] life.
> ... Sanctification removes us from the POWER of sin,
> which is a gradual pro
David,
Salvation does not remove us from the POWER of sin as you stated below.
Our jutstification through Christ removes us from the PENALTY of sin (which
is death), and we enter into [eternal] life. Salvation is exactly
that...being saved from the PENALTY of sin. Christians are still tempted
Gary wrote:
> Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your
> mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
>
> the Ap Paul knows that sin is present; sin
> demands to 'reign' in him; therefore, the
> command--think about it--'do not let sin reign'
> is either a radical modification of JCs 'be
DaveH wrote:
> Since there seems to be a disparity of agreement
> between some of the TTers, I'd like to discuss
> this matter again under the above new thread.
> However, I perceive that you feel uncomfortable
> with the TT situation right now and may be thinking
> about leaving again. I'd
Terry wrote:
> 1. What about carnal Christians?
I believe that there is such a thing as carnal Christians. In fact,
they make up the majority of those who profess to be Christians.
Whether such Christians are saved by grace I leave up to Jesus Christ to
judge. All I know is that they should not
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Marlin, liars go to hell. I am calling you a
liar. I did not accuse
I know this will manufacture or engender a bit of grief, so I apologize at
the forefront.
Paul was a Pharisee before his conversion and claimed his Pharisaic
"membership" even at the close of his life. Many from the sect of the
Pharisees were believers as well (a testimony we never hear regarding
>Rom 6:12 -- Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its
>lusts,
the Ap Paul knows that sin is present; sin demands to 'reign' in him; therefore, the
command--think about it--'do not let sin reign' is either a radical modification of
JCs 'be ye perfect' or it is exa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave,
you have never understood Biblical saving faith and the difference
between it and intellectual faith.
DAVEH: May I suggest that my view of "Saved by Grace" differs substantially
from many of those on TT. We've discussed this before, but I'm not
sure you (or any
Dave Miller Said:
Luther was being quoted as an authority, and I was
giving reason why he is not a very good authority on this particular subject
(from my perspective).
Slade Says:
You are right, Dave. He (Luther) is not a very good
authority. In fact, some of his teachings are as heretical
David:
you make some excellent points, and have obviously studied
this subject at length, but there are a couple of points you have not addressed,
and I do not have the knowledge to address them myself. Would you comment
on the following?
1. What about carnal Christians?
2. It seems to
Hello. I hope you all had a wonder SABBATH! My
children and I certainly did! We had a wonderful study with two other families
and we studied from Colossians 2, Numbers 10:29-11:29, Ezekiel 36, James 1,
Ephesians 2... etc. I think it lasted a few hours! We had some singing before
hand and I n
David Miller wrote:
> For the sake of the list, I'm going to ask
> you Glenn to limit your posts to two posts
> per day for one week. ... Are you willing
> to work with me on this?
Glenn wrote:
> No, I will not do this. But I will leave TT.
> I understand why you are kicking me off of TT.
The following are examples of ad hominem arguments which violate the no
ad hominem rule that TruthTalk has:
Glenn wrote:
You quoted Scripture with the same intent Satan quoted it. To make your
point of your theology. In other words, as I understand you, you hide
behind "proof texting". I used t
No, I will not do this. But I will leave TT. I understand why you are kicking me off of TT. You do not welcome the hard truth on TT. You, my sincere friend, as a hypocrite. You do what you accuse me of doing.
For the sake of the list, I'm going to ask you Glenn to limit your posts
to two pos
David, you have called me a hypocrite. You are dead wrong. You are showing how imperfect you are. What have you got against me?
I have to rebuke you in Jesus name for calling me a hypocrite.
Glenn, you play the hypocrite and you seem
to be the only one who can't see it. Everything
If you have a Church of Christ background you know all the dirt on all the church fathers. You are using a CC attack. The dirt stops CC people from examing the truth.
How many people on TruthTalk knew that Luther rejected the
book of James as not part of the Bible
If you have not attacked Martin Luther, then I have not attacked anyone on TT.
Glenn wrote:
> You have attacked the messenger, and you have
> not refuted salvation by grace through faith,
> plus nothing, minus nothing.
David Miller wrote:
> The term "sola fide" means "faith alone."
> When Luther translated the Bible, he did
> something very much like what the Jehovah's
> Witnesses did with John 1:1. The JW's created
> a translation that added a word to the verse,
> so that John 1:1 says that the Word was "
It's now the Lord's Day, Sunday. The day our Lord arose from the dead. I urge you to worship with some Christians today. Hebrews 10:25. I encourage you to leave your Judaism/works salvation, 7th Day Adventists doctrines, and embrace Christ only for your salvation.
Millions of Christians will o
Perry, you've had it now. You've hit David's sacred cow. The only problem is I have seen on TT, that he is not perfect. He is a great person, but far far far from perfect.
Perry wrote:
> I do believe that we are expected to keep the
> commandments, which are outlined by Jesus in
> the verses
Perry wrote:
> I do believe that we are expected to keep the
> commandments, which are outlined by Jesus in
> the verses below, and in other places in the
> scriptures. However, I do not believe that we
> are expected to live sinless lives...in fact,
> I believe that we cannot. The verse "be ye
You didn't come clean on this verse. You misused the verse out of context to defend your works/salvation. You are slick by asking a question and not making a statement, but I can read between the lines.
Glenn wrote:
> What you say above means one cannot save
> themselves. I think you know
Izzy, with all due respect. You are blinded to your double standard. If someone is in favor of Saturday worship, even to the point of requiring it in order to be in right standing with God, you see no problem in how they write.
But if one strands for the Biblical view against Judaizers, then yo
Glenn to Marlin - I stand by what I said about you. Furthermore, below is false doctrine too. Jesus used ad hominem remarks. So that would make Jesus lacking proof for His claims.
Ad hominem remarks and name calling come from those who lack proof for their claims.
Glenn to DaveL - The below is the different between Biblical faith and intellectual faith. The Devils have intellectual faith in Christ, but they do not have Biblical faith.
David,
Yes, actually it does. When one "believes", it entails much more than
just saying "I believe". Before one can
Marlin, liars go to hell. I am calling you a liar. I did not accuse you of being a Hitler lover. You see to be uneducated. You didn't seem to know much about him. You refused to take a stand against him and wrote things about him. You were given many chances to rebuke Hitler and you would not
Dave, you have never understood Biblical saving faith and the difference between it and intellectual faith.
DAVEH: Perry..Does repentance have anything to do with salvation? IOW, can those who don't repent be saved?
> It is totally a work of our Lord and
> Savior. To God be the glory for
I don't see any contradictions in what I said. You sound like a Pharisee. Jesus condemned the Pharisees. I hope you are not a Pharisee.
I am not a 7th day Adventist. I am a Messianic Jew (for lack of a better term). I never said Shabbat worship is required for salvation. YOU DID. I never said I
Good, I'm glad to hear it. I have been off of TT for a while. I guess I got you confused with Marlin. You might have me confused too. Are you saying Saturday worship is required to order to go to heaven or Saturday worship is required in order to be in right standing before God? If you are, yo
You quoted Scripture with the same intent Satan quoted it. To make your point of your theology. In other words, as I understand you, you hide behind "proof texting". I used to do this all time. The Devil quotes Scripture. But he quotes it to misuse it. Growing pains? I took years to get out
Sometimes one learns to just ignore negative behavior than
try to reason with an (explosive) brick wall. (And Glenn isn’t the only
one!) I believe that TT should be a forum where it is SAFE to openly discuss
spiritual issues, without fear of being shouted down, insulted, or “cast
into hell
Who is a 7th Day Adventist? Izzy
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My position is not that on
"Charles P. Locke" wrote:
> David,
>
>Yes, actually it does.
DAVEH: If that is the case (that repentance is associated with salvation), then
perhaps those who believe that there is nothing we can do to affect (as well as
effect) our salvation, are misunderstanding the nature of "grace".
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