Re: [TruthTalk] An Editorial on Mormons 2

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: HmDo you really feel I've been beating Kevin up with words, Judy? Care to give me an example? Judy Taylor wrote: Those are martyrs who died for the faith - such as the apostles who were all crucified under Nero, beheaded, or died in some other violent way. Kevin

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Ahhh, thanx for the explanation, Lance. I would respectfully disagree with you though. If two people sincerely believe they are Christians, in the sense of following the admonitions of Jesus as they understand them, then neither would be an anti-Christian in my opinioneven

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Maybe they come over your loose borders and end up down here in our IYO less than kind and humane jails. Ask Terry about this, he is our resident expert here. Nothing like reality born of experience. judyt On Wed, 11 May 2005 22:32:15 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
NO! Irrational On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:36:50 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have our problems but at a much lower rate that the average American city of same size. Please note no one is saying Canada is perfect and America is hell. We're saying that in some

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Fair weather friends want to have their cake and eat it too; if Canada were invaded by an enemy you can bet the US would be invited to the party and fast. Passivity which makes no demands orwaves usually thinks it has lots of friends because it is no threat but sometimes we need to wait

Re: [TruthTalk] An Editorial on Mormons 2

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Do you recall laughing at him and mocking him DH? On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:03:26 -0700 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: HmDo you really feel I've been beating Kevin up with words, Judy? Care to give me an example?Judy Taylor wrote: Those are

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robb of Vernonia

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Who are these people DaveH? Some of their points appear valid on the surface - but what do they expect? God has historically never used committees; how do we know he doesn't have someone in the Whitehouse putting a bug in the President's ear. This would notbe announced on CNN you know.

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robb of Vernonia

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
Judy Taylor wrote: Who are these people DaveH? DAVEH: I don't know. It was sent to me, and I found it somewhat interesting. I thought other TTers may find it worth a read as well. Some of their points appear valid on the surface - but what do they expect? DAVEH: I'm just

Re: [TruthTalk] An Editorial on Mormons 2

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: No Judy, I don't.but I do have a short memory. And, I may have a different perspective. What you see as mocking, may be a jest from my perspective, or perhaps I was more serious than you may imagineI don't know. Can you quote me so I can see to what you are referring? I have

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
Though somewhat overlong, an answer at last! I believe you just said, yes he is. Am I correct? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 16:45 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers? Hi Terry–

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
And so the lesson endeth. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 22:28 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 Kevin, you are misinformed from erroneus sources. Those quotes ARE

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
You'd best frame this one, Terry. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 22:46 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism I think that means that you two do not think alike, and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
An apparent addendum. Now the lesson endeth. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 22:32 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 No English translation is perfect. Get over it.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
Sorry Kevin, but NOW the lesson endeth. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 23:07 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 Re: 2 Samuel 21:19 This verse and this line of

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] dispersions

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
Is there no end to this person's talent? - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 12, 2005 00:32 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] dispersions Dear Debbie: You must not use big words with Izzy, They just

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
DH:Intent does play a part. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 12, 2005 02:21 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions DAVEH: Ahhh, thanx for the explanation, Lance. I would respectfully

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:'Every dog..':I'm looking at the clock It's late in the West and early in the South and East. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 12, 2005 02:51 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Caroline Wong
The only foreign nation that has ever invaded Canada was...America. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Caroline Wong
Telling people the good news is good. Promoting hate is bad. Did what Kevin et. al. do turn anyone away from sin and cause them to become Christian? Then that's good. Did what Kevin et. al. do harden people's hearts and turn them away from Jesus Christ? Then that's bad. - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
CW says Therein lies all our disagreements. I made a rational decision Obadiah 1;3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therein lies all our disagreements. You were taught that the KJV is the only trustworthy English translation. I was taught it is

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: One would think that because we have kinder and gentler jails we would have more violent crime, a bigger percentage of the population in jail and a high recidivism rate. But we don't. Quite the opposite in fact. Perhaps there is something about treating

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
It's no surprize to me, and I suspect to anyone who has been reading you, that this would be your 'take'. It just may be a surprize for you to discover that it is not God's 'take' (proof texting aside). When I think of you, Kevin and the bunch who do what you do, I cannot but think of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robb of Vernonia

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Yet isn't that how creeds such as the Trinity Doctrine came to be? I know data facts to back up your assertions is a foriegn idea. Joe said it you believe it that settles it. What other than joe makes yoyu believe this? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy Taylor wrote: Who are

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Caroline Wong
Then, why does America have a higher recidivism rate than Canada? Your jailsare more comfy than Mexico's but ours are more comfy than yours. How should we get people to stay out of trouble and out of prisons? Dean J. Champion, Ph.D. Professor and Chair, Department of Criminal Justice,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: You'd best frame this one, Terry. === Naw. I might start believing it if I read it often. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
My, My, what strange mind convolutions Lance. I would never have put the two together in any way, shape, or form. 1. Kevin and the Street Preachers have no commune 2. Their preaching points to Jesus, not some pre eminent man 3. The assault on the Koresh Compound in Waco TX was lousy

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: Telling people the good news is good. Promoting hate is bad. Did what Kevin et. al. do turn anyone away from sin and cause them to become Christian? Then that's good. Did what Kevin et. al. do harden people's hearts and turn them away from Jesus Christ? Then

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
If the Johanine Commatext (1 Jn 5:7-8) did not exist before Erasmus. Please explain how a good number of Church fathers quoted it all the way back to 300AD. Magic? ESP? Or you are in error? You did not answer I still can not fathom how something that was written in 1500 appeared all thru out

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
I can cut paste too http://www.tegart.com/brian/bible/kjvonly/isa14_12.htmlLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Who needs 'the David' when one receives expositions like these from Caroline? - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11,

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Terry you left out the warm milk cookies! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline Wong wrote: One would think that because we have kinder and gentler jails we would have more violent crime, a bigger percentage of the population in jail and a high recidivism rate. But we don't.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
And it was the goverment who burnt all those children under the guise of "saving" them. But what does that have to do with me? Don't look now but your Extreme Liberal views are showingLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's no surprize to me, and I suspect to anyone who has been reading you,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Who is promoting Hate now? Trying to associate me with Koresh - Amazing Who was it the other day tried to fit SP's Hitler in the same sentence? Oh yeah and those Fundamentalists in Geneva It is a good thing you did not say that in CanaDuH they would arrest you Hypocrites!Lance Muir [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why do I get the feeling you are being evasive to hide somethingCaroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello?!? reread the post I sent you explaining the whole deal. The answer is RIGHT THERE - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

[TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Sure it does, Lance. Do Christians ever use the term, anti-Christian? Or, is it simply a term Perry/Kevin coined to label me with in an effort to disparage my belief in Jesus? That I would disagree or even argue that another's Christian based theology is misguided would not make me an

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
Q:Do Christians ever...? I do. When I read/hear 'a' Jesus I don't recognize from Scripture then, I deem that message 'anti-christian'. You're a clever guy, Dave. You see the distinction. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS folks did coin the anti-Mormon term, and subsequently defined it in effect as one who actively preaches against and denigrates LDS theology Right so it is a defense/deflection mechanism to label those that are engaged in any form of criticismof the church in an attempt to dismiss ALL the

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
But Lance, have you considered your inability to interpret Scripture - because of the "enlightenment" and all that goes along with that??? Dave has Mormon blinders on - Just wondering about you. judyt On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:46:46 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Q:Do

Re: [TruthTalk] Standing the Constitution on it's head

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44223BRAVE NEW SCHOOLSBibles banned on playgroundsLegal group challenges restriction on student activity during recess "The Constitution does not prohibit Bibles during recess; it prohibits the wholesale banning of Bibles during recess,"

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
He has the Elite PC blindersJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Lance, have you considered your inability to interpret Scripture - because of the "enlightenment" and all that goes along with that??? Dave has Mormon blinders on - Just wondering about you. judyt On Thu, 12 May 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] LDS folks did coin the anti-Mormon term, and subsequently defined it in effect as one who actively preaches against and denigrates LDS theology Right so it is a defense/deflection mechanism to label those that are engaged in any form of criticism of the

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
AND it was done by the Democrats with Janet Reno at the helm (remember; the Liberals in charge). Izzy 3. The assault on the Koresh Compound in Waco TX was lousy leadership permitting the BATF to run amuck

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen! (My definition of love, of God and man!) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Caroline wrote: Did what

RE: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
God decides who is anti-Christian. It is anyone who is against Christ and His true gospel. That includes JSmith and all his devotees, however misguided. Izzy Matt 12:30He who is not with Me is against Me From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, you make the ministers of the gospel your enemy. That makes no sense for one who calls himself a Believer. How many souls do you think they must save in order to qualify for your approval? Hundreds? Dozens? One? How many would appease youor does that not matter? Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] An Editorial by Mormons

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://kutv.com/home/at bottom of page From LDS Protester to Branch President, One Man's Story of Conversion http://kutv.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=5452tf=video_player.tplCategory_ID=5#__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has

RE: [TruthTalk] dispersions

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
What sweet prose, Caroline. (not) What minority are you? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:33 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] dispersions Dear Debbie:

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Debbie, it may be beyond you to comprehend the situation of the common folks who must choose between expensive art and putting their tithe in the plate when it goes by. Which would you choose if, God forbid, you had to make that choice? It tells where your true treasures lie. Izzy

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thats the problem with anit-hate laws. They are administered by men who hate the gospel, and consider anything not politically correct, or touchy-feely, to be hate. I hate their sick laws. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent:

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Define hate, Caroline, IYO. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Telling people the good news is good. Promoting hate

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Those who do the right thing seldom have lots of friends. Those who live for the world have oodles of friends. Id rather be in the first group. I personally do not consider Canada to be a friend, and I dont know anyone who does. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
I definitely think we should coddle our criminals and make them feel loved and appreciated. (not) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:32 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robb of Vernonia

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Very good article, Dave H., with an excellent point. However, I think it is wrong to place ALL the blame on pastors (although they DO set the tone for what goes on in a church.) Where are the Prophets, where are the Evangelists, where are the other members of the Body? They are missing

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Note, as usual, America did not take over your country and make it a colony. (Could have easily!) Funny how people never notice those things. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:57 AM To:

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Reno? Wasn't that the one who raided someones closet to steal a terrified boy to send back to Communist Cuba! Isn't she the one that sent a confidential alert "Project Megiddo,"to Law enforcement about Demestic Terrorists (read -Christians with a literal understanding of the scriptures) don't

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
That is what America really needs, just go into the inner city neighborhoods and see how hate laws would clean them up. Maybe their is just too many dangerous bibles. What we need is state bible registration departments licenses. maybe we could get some of those "FREE Speech Permits" from City

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Reminds me of the pieces I saw Elsworth Kelly at the grand opening of the Pulitzer modern art gallery. Each large canvas was a solid color; red on one, yellow on another, etc. For these Mrs. Pulitzer paid hundreds of thousands of dollars apiece. I could have done the same with a can of

Re: [TruthTalk] An Editorial by Mormons

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Can anyone buy into he was once a baptist? It is just the latest Public Relations campaign from the LDS church thru one of it's Church owned TV or Newspaper or Radio stations. They are loosing so many LDS folks they have to do something, so let'sCREATE a story! There are plenty of LDS asking

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why would one want to be an EVANGELIST for the "Glories" of the world? IS 24:4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.MK 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
can of Sherwin-Williams house paint LOL It's all in the action of the wrist!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reminds me of the pieces I saw Elsworth Kelly at the grand opening of the Pulitzer modern art gallery. Each large canvas was a solid color; red on one, yellow on another,

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] BEND accomplishes the means

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Interesting to see how those that have no moral Authorityenact the "BEND accomplishes the means" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44226New billboard: 'PETA kills animals'Education effort points out nonprofit destroys 85% of pets in its shelter

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Vote for Bush or Repent

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
SEE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ORDAINED BY THE IRS, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT! (see quote from article) ALL sermons should be submitted to the Federal censory review board before delivery. It is a Moral issue and the pastor cited IMMORAL Republicans as well as Democrats. Now only the IMMORAL supporters

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: Then, why does America have a higher recidivism rate than Canada? Your jailsare more comfy than Mexico's but ours are more comfy than yours. How should we get people to stay out of trouble and out of prisons? Dean J. Champion, Ph.D. Professor and Chair,

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE crimes

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4530209.stm Sweden's Supreme Court has said it will review the acquittal of a Pentecostal pastor who denounced homosexuality as "a deep cancer" in a sermon. Ake Green was convicted of hate crimes in June 2004 and given a 30-day suspended prison sentence. Hate

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread knpraise
understood --- interpretation = same thing -Original Message- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:23:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 The

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE crimes

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
HATE crime isthe only "crime" perpetuated by it's supposed victims! Why?http://www.nbc11.com/news/4465598/detail.htmlA gay student who claimed she received threatening notes and had her car vandalized has admitted she was the perpetrator

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Iam one of those common folks, Izzy, with not much disposable income believe it or not. But I see little difference between putting money in the church collection plate and contributing to the support of an artist (musician, writer, whatever) who isdoing quality art withintegrity to the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Iam one of those common folks, Izzy, with not much disposable income believe it or not. But I see little difference between putting money in the church collection plate and contributing to the support of an artist (musician, writer, whatever) who isdoing

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Bothoms
Kevin-- You are right. The short answer is--no. But, a short answer doesn't explain why. --RaymondKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Jesus and Satan brothers? Because you like it short: No!"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate your efforts, Raymond, but you have been

RE: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Bothoms
... The people is hungry... (2Sam 17:29)Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul was not a master of the language arts: 2 Co 11:6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

2005-05-12 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Sounds very much like whatwas said by certain people on that perfumeyoccasion too, but never mind, I don't mind. We do the orphans too. (Obviously, that's why we have to follow your earlier advice to buy all our clothes at thrift stores!!) All of these are small amounts,one tiny drop at a

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-12 Thread Bothoms
Kevin-- Slander (and ignorance) will get you nowhere. --RaymondKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Satans footprints are all over your "religion" because he is the father of it. Joe was an occultist, "seized" by Satan see JSH 1"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Yeah, I read

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jesus is the creator not a creature Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you have no problem with all these evil Manifestations in your church?Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin-- Slander (and ignorance) will get you nowhere. --RaymondKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Satans footprints are all over your "religion" because he is the father of it. Joe was an

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Who is ignorant? Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin-- Slander (and ignorance) will get you nowhere. --RaymondKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Satans footprints are all over your "religion" because he is the father of it. Joe was an occultist, "seized" by Satan see JSH 1"[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Even your Church admits who it was that Joe met in the "sacRED Grove" Facts are stubborn things: The "Explanatory Introduction" in the Doctrine Covenants states very specifically that the angel, Moroni, was an angel of light. Here is the quotation, from The most CORRECTED book on earth:"...In

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Bothoms
Terry: I believe that Satan is a fallen angel, the father of lies. Raymond: I agree. Terry: I believe that with at least six thousand years experience he is a very good liar and you do not necessarily have to be gullible to be taken in by him. Raymond: I agree. Terry: I believe that he is but one

[TruthTalk] Prayers

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
I will be meeting this evening with a few men, hoping to start up another home church. I have been praying for the Lord to use me more and this opportunity has come up so I am grateful for it. At the same time it presents situations that I have not encountered in our home church or in the

Fw: [TruthTalk] Prayers

2005-05-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Glad to Terry judytFrom: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]I will be meeting this evening with a few men, hoping to start up another home church. I have been praying for the Lord to use me more and this opportunity has come up so I am grateful for it. At the same time it presents situations

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Raymond: I agree. Raymond: I agree. Raymond: I agree. Raymond: I agree. Well Terry good job, looks like Raymond is ready to repent of his religion and trust in only Jesus for his salvation! Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry: I believe that Satan is a fallen angel, the father of lies.

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Bothoms wrote: Terry: I believe that Satan is a fallen angel, the father of lies. Raymond: I agree. Terry: I believe that with at least six thousand years experience he is a very good liar and you do not necessarily have to be gullible to be taken in by him. Raymond: I agree.

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Raymond says Slander (and ignorance) will get you nowhere It does not take much to get to the name calling stage does it?Only difference is if we were in SLCLDS would be calling us cuss words. LDS faith is so weak they can not deal with the issues and get easily frustrated. "If a faith will not

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] BEND accomplishes the means

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Prov 12;10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting to see how those that have no moral Authorityenact the "BEND accomplishes the means"

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-12 Thread Caroline Wong
When they formed the Nicene Creed, Athanasius, who was solidly Trinitarian, had to fight hard for his position. He referred to himself as "Ahthanasius contra mundum" - Athanasius against the world. Silly man! He could have just quoted 1 John 5:7-8!! What? It didn't exist??! Too bad for

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayers

2005-05-12 Thread Debbie Sawczak
I pray with confidence that God will be heardin your no-bull, unpretentiousapproach.Blessing. DS - Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Prayers I will be meeting this

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Caroline Wong
Yikes, that old myth. Do you guys want the truth? Can you handle the truth? Then read this article from the Wasthington Post.Charge Often Repeated by U.S. Officials By Doug StruckWashington Post Foreign ServiceSaturday, April 9, 2005; Page A20 TORONTO -- True or false? Shortly before Sept.

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
DH says The Lord's people of Bible times needed the Priesthood RV 1 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. The New Testament Christian priesthood, Summary: (1) Until the law was given the head of each family was the family

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
If Canada was Rwanda or some other back country It's not? Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because America was beaten back in that war and had to redefine Manifest Destiny. Let's face it. If Canada was Rwanda or some other back country, America would not care who invaded us or

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayers

2005-05-12 Thread Caroline Wong
I'll pray. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Prayers I will be meeting this evening with a few men, hoping to start up another home church. I have been

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Yikes, that old myth. Do you guys want the truth? Can you handle the truth? Then read this article from the Wasthington Post. Don't be so Smug Haughty. Is the Washington post the arbitrator of the truth and especially the WHOLE TRUTH? Get on the ball get your facts straight or stay away from

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Team 7 Investigation Finds Terrorist Threats Across Border http://www.kirotv.com/investigations/2644422/detail.html http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/01/27/us.canada.border/ Canada 'terrorist-friendly'? "Fifty international terrorist organizations are represented on our soil. Some of our laws are

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevn wrote: Satans footprints are all over your religion because he is the father of it. Joe was an occultist, seized by Satan see JSH 1 BLAINE: What do Satan's footprints look like, Kevin? What size shoe does he wear? You seem to recognize something no one else sees. Please be more

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I liked Canada when I went there some time ago. My family is from Ontario--Middleville, to be exact. Borrowman's there are all related to me. We are Scots, by name at least. They have enough good Scottish sense not to put up with the ACLU, for sure. Please note: message attached

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robb of Vernonia

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: So why don't Protestant denominations have apostles, prophets, evangelists and others to assist in the ministry? ShieldsFamily wrote: Very good article, Dave H., with an excellent point. However, I think it is wrong to place ALL the blame on pastors (although

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I assume you classify me as such as wellis that correct, Izzy? Do most (non LDS) Christians use such a term (anti-Christian) when describing LDS people like me? Or is it a term coined and used by a few TTers for the most part? ShieldsFamily wrote: God decides

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Double standard!?!?!?! Do you sincerely believe that, Perry? There are a lot of TTers who I do not consider to be anti-Mormon. At least they have not exhibited any characteristics that would meet my definition. I believe one can disagree with my LDS theology, and not be an

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ShieldsFamily wrote: God decides who is anti-Christian. It is anyone who is against Christ and His true gospel. That includes JSmith and all his devotees, however misguided. Izzy Blaine: Izzy, I hate having to point this out--believe me, it hurts me to say this--but it seems there is

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I see. When you disagree with Christians, it is not anti-Christian, but when I disagree with mormons it is anti-mormon. That is a double standard. You say I denigrate your religion. What do you do when you deny the Trinity? Politically motivated means that the term is meant more to defame and

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Nonsense, Kevin. I haven't given it much thought, but off the cuff I would suggest it is the way the criticism is expressed that determines if one is an anti-Mormon or not. I would not consider a TTer who disagrees with me about a point of doctrine to be an anti-Mormon. Nor would I

[TruthTalk] Street preacher repents and joins LDS Church

2005-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brad Holt, a former Mormon basher and dedicated street preacher, appeared on Channel 2 10:00 News yesterday (May 11). He is now a High Priest and President of the LDS Deaf Branch in Washington DC. He said he listened to LDS Missionaries and realized they had the truth. He was asked if he

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robb of Vernonia

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Common sense. Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Yet isn't that how creeds such as the Trinity Doctrine came to be? I know data facts to back up your assertions is a foriegn idea. Joe said it you believe it that settles it. What other than joe makes yoyu believe this? Dave Hansen

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