Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) I don't ask either of these questions Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: There is but one on TT, Judy, whose wisdom is the wisdom of Aristotle. That one would be DM. Philsophy is to DM what the church fathers are to some others. Surely you know that I object to this characterization of me, Lance. My philosophy is more like Plato than Aristotle, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Lance Muir
: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Lance wrote: There is but one on TT, Judy, whose wisdom is the wisdom of Aristotle. That one would be DM. Philsophy is to DM what the church fathers are to some others. Surely you know that I object to this characterization of me, Lance. My

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: Have I gone over your head with the use of this phrase? Look up ad hom and you will find begging the question in there somewhere. You have no idea just how ridiculous this makes you sound. Please stop attacking Judy! PLEASE! You are plain wrong about this idea you have that ad

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) myth (a typically emptyesoteric equation--actually, an 'adherent' of the church fathers is a ridiculous idea--a student of their residualimpactcould conclude, likeCalvin did

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Oophs! Possibly I should have said "God the Word" - When IYO did H

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:55:02 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Judy Taylor I don't ask either of these questions Bill but this is beside the point I'm thinking you do not realize how you "sound" to others, Judy. No Bill I don't think itpossible to know

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Lance Muir
to the Scriptures' approach. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 11, 2006 07:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) JD wrote: Have I gone over your head with the use of this phrase? Look up ad

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you saying that God decreed the fall of man Bill? On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:27:19 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Judy Taylor Oophs! Possibly I should have said "God the Word" - When IYO did He actually become Jesus? And you are saying that you

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Lance Muir
of like the king with no clothes. judyt - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: January 11, 2006 07:57Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) JD wrote: Have I gone over your head with

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Having so identified yourself, David, (more like Plato than Aristotle) you ought to object to DM, not to me. You are, IMO, a philosophical rationalist. Hi Lance. You paint me with too broad of a brush. I may be more agreeable with Plato than Aristotle, but as I said in my

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Lance Muir
I'm content to express myself within the framework of those who do a better job than I, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 11, 2006 09:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Lance wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
Original question by Judy: Do you believe the Word of God was/is full of the Holy Spirit? Judy wrote: Had to have been before his baptism; his birth was precipitated by the Holy Spirit and there was spiritual recognition between he and John while both were in utero when Mary visited her

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: I'm content to express myself within the framework of those who do a better job than I, David. Then you had better invest heavily in them, or you will be like the coward who buried his talent in the ground and returned it to his master when he returned. If you are going to leave

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Lance Muir
Do women regularly tell you that you're a really funny guy? BTW, David, my 'investment' is in Him, NOT in them. --- Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 11, 2006 09:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: ... my 'investment' is in Him, NOT in them. If your investment is in Him, NOT them, then think for yourself and speak from the Spirit of God. Don't leave the framework for your speech to those you consider able to do a better job. Be who you are called to be in Christ. Don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread ttxpress
my comment on God giving you light in a higher way as a joke? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/10/2006 11:00:54 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) ..or is it, Bro? On T

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread ttxpress
..'the fathers hold no authority whatsoever' is correct, Bro--e.g., the referenced fathers are the fathers bec they recognize to a man, uncontested,that 'Jesus Christ', partic in the writing of the Ap John is 'the Father's son'--the one Father whose only son himself, in and through the

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Lance Muir
often allude. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 11, 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Lance wrote: ... my 'investment' is in Him, NOT in them. If your investment is in Him, NOT them

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:27:19 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Judy Taylor Oophs! Possibly I should have said "God the Word" - When IYO did He actually become Jesus? And you are saying that you asked me this question earlier -- hm.

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: We know that He was full of the Holy Spirit because it is written that God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him (John 3:34) This passage says that God GIVETH not the Spirit by measure, indicating that it was a present thing, something that was happening at the time it was

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Bro I just don't know what I maybe should know that you know-if indeed you truly know it. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/11/2006 10:30:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) words are in context, Bro--many times

RE: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Dean Moore
cd; Good point Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/11/2006 2:14:01 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote: We know that He was full of the Holy Spirit because it is

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Taylor
No. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Are you saying that God decreed the fall

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-11 Thread Taylor
as always the Second Person of the Trinity, and as such was alwaysfully God. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTa

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:47:20 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . . and since I am already branded the heretic by you .. Oh well!! It is I who called you a heretic, Judy: that is correct. I know and JD who sits in your "amen" corner seconded it, of course

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: If you do like the label, then please cease with the ad hominem arguments, attaching me to the fathers and dismissing my comments on the basis of that association; for when you do that, you are employing a fallacious form of argumentation. Attaching you to the fathers is not an

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread knpraise
It is, however, a fallacious form of argumentation. It's called "bagging the questions" and , as such, it is ad hom. Whether you agree with accepted definition or not, the simple fact that you admit such statements to be "fallacious form[s] of argumentation" should be enough to cause one tobe

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:44:14 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill wrote: Judy, I am asking you to please address the content of my statements. Rebut them if you wish -- with Scripture or whatever other source you would like to use ... Yes, Judy, please oblige Bill in

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread Judy Taylor
It is, however, a fallacious form of argumentation. It's called "bagging the questions" and , as such, it is ad hom. What on earth are you talking about JD, I never bagged any of his questions. I answered one and the other is on hold until he responds to mine. Whether you agree with

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread knpraise
Text should read "begging" the question. It is your M.O. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is, however, a fallacious form of argumentation. It's called "bagging the questions" and , as such, it is ad hom. What on earth are you

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread Lance Muir
Do you, DM, understand the 'spirit' of freemasonry and the 'spirit' of mormonism to be one and the same 'spirit'? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 10, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) As I have already stated FYI JD; at the start there was NO QUESTION You are off on another flight of fancy. A child of the King never has to beg for anything Yours is the wisdom of Aristotle. When will you fellows learn

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread knpraise
Have I gone over your head with the use of this phrase? Look up ad hom and you will find "begging the question" in there somewhere. You have no idea just how ridiculous this makes you sound. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] As I have already

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread ttxpress
you candefine humor, Bro--what is it? On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:51:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God bless you and give you his light in a higher way.:-)

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread ttxpress
..interestingly, humor doesn't appear to be confined to the KJV On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:01:27 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you candefine humor, Bro--what is it? On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:51:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God bless you and give you his

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-10 Thread ttxpress
..or is it, Bro? On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:30:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..interestingly, humor doesn't appear to be confined to the KJV On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:01:27 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you candefine humor, Bro--what is it? On Tue, 10 Jan 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
of Christ. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 08, 2006 16:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) If that answer does not satisfy you Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:36:39 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe he has equal status in the Godhead with the other two members. God is ONE - remember? That is good, Judy. And yes I do remember that. Why then do you make such an issue out of Jesus' statement

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
I suspect not but, more importantly, is it reflective of your 'inspired' interpretations? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 08, 2006 22:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Modalism -- One God, three manifestations which is different from three persons. That's how I remember the above -- correct? jd -- Original message -- F

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
No, it reflects the fact that sometimes I am tired in the evening and should wait until the next day to respond - On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:17:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect not but, more importantly, is it reflective of your 'inspired' interpretations?

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
y.org Sent: January 09, 2006 06:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:36:39 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe he has equal status in the Godhead with the other two members. God is ONE

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) You fellows are great with the sixty million dollar theological words and they are all 'isms - just like the cults. I don't study all that. I study the Word of God and this is what I see there. If you want to go with those you

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
k@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Modalism -- One God, three manifestations which is different from three

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
Exactly what it says Lance, I did not change it to the plural did I? On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:40:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: QUESTION:"the PromiseALL Truth' As it does not say 'truth(s)' might your interpretation of this word be mistaken? What do you believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: January 09, 2006 06:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Exactly what it says Lance, I did not change it to the plural did I? On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:40:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: QUESTION:"the Promi

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 09, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) A little patronizing Lance ... So tell me why are DM and myself accused of modalism and sabellianism? Is it becauseyour mentors have convinced you that - "

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Taylor
d conclude, therefore,that it is not meaningful or important at all. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/8/2006 10:12:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) I believe in the same thing Dean only I call it the Godhead rath

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:45:55 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because He said it and since you hold Him in such high esteem yourself, I would think that you would find this an important pointalso. Things can be said, Judy, and have more than one possible

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 09, 2006 08:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:45:55 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because He said it and since you hold Him in

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
I have never ever said anything about "interpreting or unpacking" scripture The scriptures are spiritually discerned Lance... and God the Holy Spirit is the one appointed to lead us through them. Not one of you so far has refuted anything I have written byscripture except Gary who was on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/8/2006 4:14:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) And I believe that you can't answer a simple question. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Taylor
stherefore redundant. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:45:55 -

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/8/2006 7:30:44 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) myth (mother Mary matters, M'am) cd; Be so kind as to explain this statement -in term I can relate to Gary. Thanks. On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
If this is your choice then I respect that JD However, I stillthink it a shame that you do not consider any of my objections seriously enough to check them out even though they are grounded in the truth of God's Word like the one in Col 1:19 and 2 Cor 5:19 This may seen like a small point

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 09, 2006 08:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) I have never ever said anything about "interpreting or unpacking" scripture The scriptures are spiritually discerned Lance... and God the Holy Spirit is the one

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
ail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:45:55 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because He said it

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Taylor
of it.Please enlighten me. Bill - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) cd: But what an answer she gave Bill-Glory be to God asI

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
BILL, SHE DOES NOT ADDRESS IT!! - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 09, 2006 08:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Great the accolades, Dean, and glory to God! I too see the Great King

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
Refutations abound, I agree but only as opinions. I want to see where I am wrong IN GOD'S WORD rather thanby men's opinions or some theology which distorts other parts of God's Word which are what abounds around here. I am not blind to them, they just hold no weight. I see them as cisterns

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
ight as He was!Thank you Judy for this answer. - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/8/2006 4:14:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) And I believ

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Lance Muir
on this matter differs from the one The Spirit has shown THEM.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 09, 2006 08:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Refutations

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't really trust your statistics Lance, you are generalizing by using what your memory tells you The Mormon boys use a lot of scripturesto refute what they think comes against their teachings Scriptures wrested out of context don't count, nor do scriptures used solely for the purpose of

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread ttxpress
Gabriel to.. a town in Galilee, to a virgin .."You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. .The Holy Spirit will come upon you..the power of the Most High ..the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. .. nothing is impossible with God."

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Judy Taylor
So what are you saying Gary, that mary gave birth by the power of the Holy Spirit to a baby boy called Jesus the Son of God? Is Luke or are you saying something other?? On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:11:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gabriel to.. a town in Galilee, to a virgin .."You will be

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread ttxpress
ask an apostle On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:19:42 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what are you saying Gary.. On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:11:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gabriel to.. a town in Galilee, to a virgin .."You will be with child and give birth to a son,

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/9/2006 7:52:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Yes. Hi Dean, sorry I missed this. I disagreed with John about Col 1:19; in his zeal to prove a doctrinal pointhe wrote: 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: The conflict is in where your faith is rooted Bill; the patristic fathers and the scriptures do not agree. This is not entirely accurate, Judy. Sometimes the church fathers and the Scriptures DO agree. I don't see Bill as having his faith rooted in the church fathers. Rather,

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote to Judy: Your SCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATION on this matter differs from the one The Spirit has shown THEM.. In regards to me, I do not see too much doctrinal difference between Judy and me. Our difference is primarily one of emphasis. Our biggest difference concerns the humanity of

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread knpraise
Well 1161 and 225 back at ya !! These dern computers. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/9/2006 7:52:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTa

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread ttxpress
classic/tt hall of fame quote: To me these other versions only add confusion..the KJV is enough for me -- cd || ..Iused the NASV and Amp because they were the closest to the computer at the time. They say the same as the KJV because this verse (V.20) speaks of the Father rather

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Taylor
. . . and since I am already branded the heretic by you .. Oh well!! It is I who called you a heretic, Judy: that is correct. But you branded yourself with your continued linking of me to the "Church Fathers."The truth is you had ample opportunity to recognize the validity of my

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/9/2006 5:31:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Well 1161 and 225 back at ya !! These dern computers. jd cd: :-) lol-very funny. -- Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/9/2006 10:34:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) classic/tt hall of fame quote: cd; Why? In language I can understand please Gary? With all due respect-I am almost

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread ttxpress
this is veryfunny Bro, esp coming from a KJV-only dude like yourself--but i'll honestlytry to quit laughing about it, just for you On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:14:04 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To me these other versions only add confusion..the KJV is enough for me --

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/10/2006 12:23:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) this is veryfunny Bro, esp coming from a KJV-only dude like yourself--but i'll honestlytry to quit laughing about it, just for you cd

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-09 Thread Dean Moore
@mail.innglory.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/9/2006 10:34:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) classic/tt hall of fame quote: To me these other versions only add confusion..the KJV is enough for me -- cd || ..Iused the NASV and Amp because they were the closest

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:17:18 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The word tranlated "pleased" in the gk text is the word in question. "Father" or "God" is atached to that word. That attachment is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread knpraise
do you believe in teh Father, Son and Sprit (Matthew 28:19) or not. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't use the word "trinity" since I prefer Godhead but have never believed any differently. Where have you been? On Sun, 08 Jan 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:22:39 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The word tranlated "pleased" in the gk text is the word in question. "Father" or "God" is atached to that word. That attachment is a personification and does not actually , literally , exist in the text. There are good

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Judy Taylor
I do but obviously not in the exact same way that you do. jt On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:27:13 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: do you believe in teh Father, Son and Sprit (Matthew 28:19) or not. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Idon't use the word "trinity" since I

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/7/2006 7:22:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Three in one? You have admitted to the idea of the Trinity, whether you intended to or not. jd cd: I may

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Judy Taylor
I believe in the same thing Dean only I call it the Godhead rather than "trinity" because Godhead is what it is named in scripture. I don't deny there is a Father, Word/Son, and Holy Spirit. judyt On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:59:26 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Three in one?

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor
the divine Christbefore that time? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:22:39 + [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress
myth [examing existential evidence,e.g.,] On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:54:05 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I am not into adding or subtracting from the Word of God.. || for ref: 1. James 1:21(King

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/8/2006 10:12:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) I believe in the same thing Dean only I call it the Godhead rather than "trinity&quo

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Dean Moore
@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/8/2006 3:22:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:17:18 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The word tranlated "pleased" in the gk text i

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor
AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) cd: I once read an explanation of the Trinity as God pouring himself through Jesus Christ and out the other side came the Holy Ghost-John's analogy of the cup of water reminded me of this explanation

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Why would you ask such a question? On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:39:06 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you now saying that Christ was never God? Do you now deny His deity altogether? It was God in Christ -- that makes Him deity, in this case. Yes God the Holy Spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor
: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) Why would you ask such a question? On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:39:06 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you now saying that Christ was never God? Do you now deny

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Judy Taylor
I believe He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords Head of the Church which is His body Our Prophet, Priest, and King who sits at the RH of the Father in Heaven. On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:42:55 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because I'm trying to understand what you believe concerning

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor
And I believe that you can't answer a simple question. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Judy Taylor
If that answer does not satisfy you Bill then it was not a "simple" question. You seem to have some axe to grind and come across as a very angry man. On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:24:48 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I believe that you can't answer a simple question. From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread Taylor
If that answer does not satisfy you Bill then it was not a "simple" question. Fair enough, then answer a tough question: When did Jesus receive the Holy Spirit, and was he the divine Christbefore that time? I believe He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords Head of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress
myth (mother Mary matters, M'am) On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:09:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords Head of the Church which is His body Our Prophet, Priest, and King who sits at the RH of the Father in Heaven. || ..God

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress
..yo, Christine, keep in mind that greater revelationcan be reductionistic as well as expansive On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:29:06 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (mother Mary matters, M'am) On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:09:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe He

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress
..evidence suggests that jt re-writes Luke reductionistically, in green, below On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:53:45 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..yo, Christine, keep in mind that greater revelationcan be reductionistic as well as expansive On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:29:06 -0700 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-08 Thread ttxpress
.. that she simultaneouslyre-writes Acts 9, expansively,e.g., thereis nodonkey in Acts--she took the liberty to add that notion On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:00:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..evidence suggests that jt re-writes Luke reductionistically, in green, below On Sun, 8

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