[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote:**Jonathan Edwards sermon was said to be effectivein that day but I don't know that presenting a God of terror is all that good; and this was not the way Jesus presented Him. Dean writes:Judy have you ever read the sermon"Sinner in the hands

[TruthTalk] Essay by Leroy Garrett (something to ponder)

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
THE UGLINESS OF CHRISTMAS IS ITS BEAUTY [Essay Number 13] "She brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, for there was no room for them in the inn."---Lk. 2:7. The first Christmas was not exactly a greeting card setting with all its

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/20/2003 8:09:27 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right. Dean writes: Kevin Her shield is up against us-we are only beating our swords against her shield-But she will lower it to bring one of a different doctrine to

RE: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/20/2003 8:13:31 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, what do you mean, exactly, by “familiar spirits”? Why would a demon from a dead person hang around

RE: [TruthTalk] *****Ruben/Kevin

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/20/2003 9:57:49 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] *Ruben/Kevin Dean wrote: Why not ask Ruben or Kevin how I treat people on the street? Hi Dean. Do you think that you treat people on the street

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/20/2003 10:35:07 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right. Biblical separation is not just for in the Church. It is also not isolationism. What fellowship do you plan on having? If it is a way to

Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/20/2003 10:45:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!! Man this MORMON Doctrine is WHACKY! Dean writes 12/21: Don't wish them God speed or good luck or happy new yearetc. Wait a minute did I say

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] I hope you make some time to answer some of my posts along these lines. I think the sin lies with those who excommunicate believers for their theology rather than with someone like Judy who has a Mormon over for the holidays. Please

RE: [TruthTalk] *****Ruben/Kevin

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
IfDean treats them so badly, why do the hang around him? They can easily leave, he won't chase them. Why do they gather in a crowd around him.There was anLDS Missionary with his ID TAG on came repeatedly in spite of people even telling him they would turn him in to the Bishopfor just Talking to

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man this MORMON Doctrine is WHACKY! Dean writes 12/21: Don't wish them God speed or good luck or happy new yearetc. Wait a minute did I say that or did St. Paul; say that,or was it Paul only-or did the spirit of God say that? Judy:

RE: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote to TPW (The Pagan Wolf): Man this MORMON Doctrine is WHACKY! For the record, TPW is a pagan, not a Mormon. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I can give you a list of Names of Evangelical Christians, who got sucked in (cause they did not know their Bible),who spent years in the LDS Church. LDS Pride themselves on getting baptists to join. The majority of new converts from other are Baptist. People do get sucked in who are saved. They

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Spirit of Godinspired the apostle Paul to write that we are only to judge ourselves and those within the body of Christ or Church Only to judge ourselves those inside the church Where did you get those limits on your judgement? My BIBLE says 1 Co 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth ALL

RE: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle

2003-12-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
See red response below: Subject: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, what do you mean, exactly, by familiar spirits? Why would a demon from a dead person hang around imitating them for centuries? Certainly

RE: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I was just trying to be facetious, apparently not very well. It did not take long reading the post to see it was Pagan. LDS do point to PAGANISM as a source of truth. I was round about pointing out they both are whacky doctrines. LDS are very PAGAN!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Watch out that those around you do not get decieved. I have seen christians talk to LDS decievers who full well knew what they were doing, in concealing the "meat" The christians could not find the differences, till someone who knew LDS doctrine drew them out. Here is part of an email I just

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Kevin, Thats why LDS (and Scientologists) have secret ceremonies, etc. If the undoctrinated heard how RIDICULOUS their core beliefs are they would laugh themselves silly! So the uninitiated have to be treated like boiling a frog: just turn up the heat inch by inch so they wont notice the

Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
What exactly is so BAD about a PUBLIC display of Temple attire? Why also is the LDS HIGH PRIEST who asualted one of the "preachers", called a HERO by the LDS? I call that a THUG! My pastor would not asault someone for holding underwear? Is this how yor HIGH PRIESTS behave? Why the BIG Play on

[TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes: Kevin Her shield is up against us-we are only beating our swords against her shield-But she will lower it to bring one of a different doctrine to her home for dinner on Christmas Day-contrary to the Bible. I think

[TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spirit of Godinspired the apostle Paul to write that we are only to judge ourselves and those within the body of Christ or Church Only to judge ourselves those inside the church Where did you get those limits on your judgement? My BIBLE says 1 Co

[TruthTalk] The Meat/Kevin

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Watch out that those around you do not get decieved. I have seen christians talk to LDS decievers who full well knew what they were doing, in concealing the "meat" The christians could not find the differences, till someone who knew LDS doctrine drew

[TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread Arsene Lupin
The best argument I've heard yet for Believers to NOT have a Christmas tree. TPW, did you ever actually answer David Miller's question directly when he asked if you were the one who sent the lewd and threatening email regarding his daughter? Until you actually deny this I will not talk to you.

RE: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
AP, TPW, why do you not reveal your real name as most of the TT'rs have. Is there something you're afraid of, or are you hiding from someone or something? From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking

Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Essay by Leroy Garrett (something to ponder)

2003-12-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Thanks Judy. Iwill save this one and forward it to many others. Terry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:33 AM Subject: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Essay by Leroy Garrett (something to ponder)

[TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly is so BAD about a PUBLIC display of Temple attire? Judy: It is like getting in someone's face and telling them they are 'a dirty, rotten, sinner' kind of like Holy Hubert did. There isa difference between holding up Christ as an ensign -

RE: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/21/2003 9:38:15 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle See red response below: Subject: [TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Terry Clifton
If the below be true, how can Jesus tell the vast majority of those He loved,"I never knew you. Depart from me". Terry ,it is impossible to love people and reject them at the same time. Grace and Peace, Judy

[TruthTalk] Photo of ghost in Henry 8 castle

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
See red response below: From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, what do you mean, exactly, by familiar spirits? Why would a demon from a dead person hang around imitating them for centuries? Certainly they could go inhabit someone else. No ones

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the below be true, how can Jesus tell the vast majority of those He loved,"I never knew you. Depart from me". Terry I wrote: it is impossible to love people and reject them at the same time. Grace and Peace, Judy ** Jesus loved

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
Why the BIG Play on the emotions of others to try and pressure us to stop? When that failed why the pressure thru city hall to write City ordinances to silence our speech put away our signs consign us to a location up the street?

Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread Marlin Halverson
Izzy: The best argument I've heard yet for Believers to NOT have a Christmas tree. Again, Gentiles who turned to God did not identify with their past heritage or ways. They repented: Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 1CO 12:2 And what

RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/21/2003 11:51:01 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the below be true, how can Jesus tell the vast majority of those He loved,"I never knew you. Depart

[TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2003-12-21 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I am curious as to whether either of you two (Dean and/or Ruben) have walked through Temple Square as a normal visitor rather than a protester? Have either of you been inside and toured the visitors center or heard the Tabernacle Choir or walked the grounds? -- ~~~ Dave

RE: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread Arsene Lupin
CPL: AP, TPW, why do you not reveal your real name as most of the TT'rs have. Is there something you're afraid of, or are you hiding from someone or something? TPW: Not fearful, I am in a line of work that requires me to. It's nothing personal and furthermore, what would my true identity bring

RE: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/21/2003 12:38:43 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben DAVEH: I am curious as to whether either of you two (Dean and/or Ruben) have walked through Temple Square as a normal visitor rather than

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
Response in red below - judy From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the below be true, how can Jesus tell the vast majority of those He loved,"I never knew you. Depart from me". Terry I wrote: it is impossible to love

RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
Dean writes: Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to? Matt:25:41...into everlasting fire,prepared for the devil and his angels: **Wrong tense Dean,sorry bout that ... I should

[TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why the BIG Play on the emotions of others to try and pressure us to stop? When that failed why the pressure thru city hall to write City ordinances to silence our speech put away our signs consign us to a location up the street?

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes: Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to? Matt:25:41...into everlasting fire,prepared for the devil and his angels:

RE: [TruthTalk] Reply to both David and Izzy

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/20/2003 6:39:42 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Reply to both David and Izzy Dean writes: Each time I get the shot I get the flu-connection? Don't know but it is starting to seem odd. Yes, there

RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/21/2003 2:14:24 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes: Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to? Matt:25:41...into everlasting

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes: Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to? Matt:25:41...into everlasting fire,prepared for the devil and his angels:

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
Dean wrote: But David when we rebuked them you stepped in and spoke against us for rebuking them-Both Izzy and I experienced this-In a sense we were rebuked for rebuking the Mormons. A lot of people have experienced this. We have one rule on TruthTalk, and that is that there

RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/21/2003 2:55:38 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes: Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to? Matt:25:41...into everlasting

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look how I've learned to change text colors from DaveH it's fun - so all has not been a total loss even if he never embraces my Lord and Savior which is my hope and prayer for him. DAVEH: Thank you, Judy. Though I disagree with your conclusion, I appreciate your

[TruthTalk] Is writing letters to false teachers sin?

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Hi Dean. As I understand it, your position is that continued letter writing to false teachers and sinners is sinful. From my perspective, it is not much different than preaching daily at the street corner. If this is not the point of difference between us, please outline exactly what you think

RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/21/2003 4:12:41 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes: Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to? Matt:25:41...into everlasting

Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: What exactly is so BAD about a PUBLIC display of Temple attire? DAVEH: I think Judy has given you some good reasons, so I don't feel a need to repeat them. However Kevin, what I will repeat is something I've mentioned to Ruben and Dean previously. Have any of the protesters

Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Judy: What if the neighbors believe they are already part ofthe Kingdom Dean mine do and I am not ordained to inspect their lives and judge them. I go to ahairdresser who is homosexual, he was raised in a Pentecostal Church andhe believeshe is OK. He talks about praying all the time. Should I

RE: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
TPW, Thank you for your direct (if not kind) response. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arsene Lupin Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email The best argument

RE: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hi Marlin! I hope you will give us an update on Jessica's family when there is something to report. And on your own family! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy: What if the neighbors believe they are already part ofthe Kingdom Dean mine do and I am not ordained to inspect their lives and judge them. I go to ahairdresser who is homosexual, he was raised in a Pentecostal Church andhe believeshe is OK. He

[TruthTalk] Faux-Christians

2003-12-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Non-Christians have no right to tell Christians how to behave as Christians. (How would a faux-Christian know???) Izzy -Original Message- DAVEH: I think Judy has given you some good reasons, so I don't feel a need to repeat them. However Kevin, what I will repeat is

[TruthTalk] Faux-Christians

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Non-Christians have no right to tell Christians how to behave as Christians. (How would a faux- Christian know???) Izzy **I understand that I am on your "ignore" list Izzy but do you have any idea how obnoxious the above sounds? You talk as

RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
and what if the light withinbe darkness and we become a stumbling block to others as some of the Mormons have been stating. What if we run before we are sent? God prepared ppl for a long time before sending them on a mission for Him. I think the question is not what if we run before we are sent.

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: What do you think of some of the obnoxious displays of the street preachers in SLC? I support it. You might find me out there next year if I feel that I can spare the time and expense to go. DaveH wrote: Not with respect to the effect on the LDS folks, but do you think

Re: [TruthTalk] Faux-Christians

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I would rather loose a few fish, while fishing, than to never cast a line! I love those that don't fish exponding on what lures to use! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Non-Christians have no right to tell Christians how to behave as Christians. (How would a

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
DAVEH wrote: Would you think the public display of the street preachers in SLC waving LDS underwear is one of those exceptions? No, I don't see that as a problem at all. I wondered about it from the reports coming out, but Ruben, who was doing it, answered it well, in my opinion. I see

Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I did not say to get in his face. have you talked to him? I do not make you responsible. That is between god You. If you do not WARN him, God says EZ 3:13 Ez 33 He will require his blood at your hand! How do you interpret that? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Faux-Christians

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would rather loose a few fish, while fishing, than to never cast a line! I love those that don't fish exponding on what lures to use! **Kevin you are speaking in ignorance. You don't know what I do, or have done so why are you allowing yourself to be

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Exactly! The real problem is that there are LDS members in Good standing been in the church for a year. They have NO IDEA what this garment is all about. They go to the Bishop, he gets Denies gets short with them. It causes all kinds of problems. The name of the game is DENY Conquer. They must

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: Why also is the LDS HIGH PRIEST who asualted one of the preachers, called a HERO by the LDS? I call that a THUG! My pastor would not asault someone for holding underwear? Is this how yor HIGH PRIESTS behave? Judy: You fellows were tweaking him on purpose Kevin and his

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: There is only one person that I had to ban from the list and that is because when he was rebuked by me, he did what he wanted anyway. Some people just like to flame others and make them mad. We don't allow that here. Dean wrote: Was that Jim Webber? Was he sent

RE: [TruthTalk] flu shots

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: BTW, flu shots are not really big business for the drug companies. The (ever-so-helpful-finger-in-everything- way-too-huge) gov't has made it so unprofitable that there is a major shortage of flu shots this year--which is why we have all the media coverage about flu shots this

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Faux-Christians

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am not accusing, do you FEEL accused? Iam simply stating I love getting told how to witness to the Lost by those that NEVER witness to the LOST. It is the wierdest thing! same crowd that says Street preaching does not work. It does not work for them for the same reason hunting never bags me a

[TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin wrote: Why also is the LDS HIGH PRIEST who asualted one of the "preachers", called a HERO by the LDS? I call that a THUG! My pastor would not asault someone for holding underwear? Is this how yor HIGH PRIESTS behave?Judy: You fellows were

RE: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: The best argument I've heard yet for Believers to NOT have a Christmas tree. Why? So if pagan's eat with a fork, then we had better use a spoon instead? If pagan's celebrate birthdays, then we better not? If pagan's name the months or days of the week after their false gods, then

Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS have been asaulting us with impunity for years. The police have actually aided the thugs to escape. This was before we used garments. the Secret Service Bouncers at the temple gates have even asaulted a group of tracters. Not preachers! They have also asualted the pastor from Jude 3 missions

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: I guess they would throw Jesus in jail too if he anonymously did to their Temple what Jesus did to the Jewish Temple. Judy wrote: ***Why go into a pagan temple and try to cleanse that? Jesus went into the temple in Jerusalem which was supposed to be His Father's

Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
How about your comments on the UN Chriastian behavior of the LDS HIGH PRIEST? How about comments on why LDS Security Attacks individuals handing out only printed, literature on a PUBLIC sidewalk? Why is your church one of the only churches with bouncers? What is so UN Christian about standing

RE: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I have but lately they have decided to asault arrest any ANTIs I have taken the Misiionary lessons (I have a copy) I have read the books I have studied the books doctrine I have talked to thousands of LDS what is your point? We can not get a FAIR representation from ANTI materials? ps. You

Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
How is God expressing that LOVE to those that are presently in HELL? I once saw a tract that had a picture of Noah's Ark on the cover. There were people scattered in and treading water, all around the ark. On the side of the Ark, in BIG letters was written, SMILE, God Loves you! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David Miller wrote: I guess they would throw Jesus in jail too if he anonymously did to their Temple what Jesus did to the Jewish Temple.Judy wrote: ***Why go into a pagan temple and try to cleanse that? Jesus went into the temple in Jerusalem which

Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
God's word is THE RULE BOOK! 1 Co 14: If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. So if I understand what you are saying it is that you place yourself ABOVE God's word here. You Judge God's

Re: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Liars Decievers Seducers That is part of the SEDUCER Always give the appearance of piousness All Phony men of God put on the Dog Pony show for the Sheeples. Ever watch the Pope? Why does he always walk around with his hands clasped as in prayer? Why all the dresses that they wear? The smoke

RE: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2003-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, I have done all that you mentioned, including visiting the ancestral library. I was attending a trade show and conference at the Salt Palace and invited my LDS mother-in-law to share the room with me. While I "conferenced", she "genealogied". In fact, I thought it was quite unholy, an

RE: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CPL: AP, TPW, why do you not reveal your real name as most of the TT'rs have. Is there something you're afraid of, or are you hiding from someone or something? TPW: Not fearful, I am in a line of work that requires me to. It's nothing personal and

Re: [TruthTalk] flu shots

2003-12-21 Thread Marlin Halverson
David: Exodus 15:26 says, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians. If God gives me such a promise, it would be nothing but doubt and unbelief for me to inject myself or my family with these same diseases with the idea that I am going to protect

Re: [TruthTalk] flu shots

2003-12-21 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: Marlin Halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/21/2003 7:50:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] flu shots David: Exodus 15:26 says, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians. If God gives me such a

Re: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
BlaineRB: I THINK we agree here, but MAYBE NOT No authoritative Mormon ever taught THAT we intend to be equal with God, or the trinity, or whatever you choose to call it. snip We believe we will be Gods in the sense that we will have access to all power that is God's, to continue in eternity--as

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon view of the godhead

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Here is Joe's sad understanding of the trinity: Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism. It

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] How is God expressing that LOVE to those that are presently in HELL? **Cute. Those presently in Hell had plenty of time to get their house in order. Are you saying that God is unjust and/or a respecter of persons? Kevin: I once saw a tract that had a

[TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] God's word is THE RULE BOOK! 1 Co 14: If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. **The Commandment of the Lord is to love God, and others; what part

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: Here is a picture of Ruben and I in front of the Church of Jesus Christ sign in front of the Temple on the north Gate of Temple Square. Hi Dean. I like the picture, but you have to learn some things about sending pictures on e-mail. That picture was 1 MB in size, which doesn't

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

2003-12-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am absolutely NOT saying God is unjust. he will Judge people in righteousness. he cast people into hell. i am just saying he shows NO LOVE to those that are in Hell. I am just saying he is a God of love AND a God of Righteous Judgement. One of those judgements is casting people in hell. SMILE

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: **But those walking in the light know that it is not the Father's House First because God no longer put's his name on buildings, His house is the body of Christ, living stones, a human temple. That's what Stephen preached and was stoned for. Don't you see a similar attitude of

[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?/Judy

2003-12-21 Thread irebukeu
Jt writes: Thank you for your intent but what would make you think I have a chip on my shoulder Reuben? Just because I'm talking about LOVE? Ruben: Well I read that you have a hard time with men who preach the truth like Dean or Kevin. It appears to me that you seem to think that love was the

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: I believe the Street Preachers knew they would get a reaction and this is why they were waving the underwear about in front of the Temple during one of the busiest times. Wait a minute. Are you saying that you think the Street Preachers knew they would get a VIOLENT reaction?

Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-21 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 12/21/2003 5:12:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy wrote: The best argument I've heard yet for Believers to NOT have a Christmas tree.Why? So if pagan's eat with a fork, then we had better use a spooninstead? If pagan's celebrate birthdays, then we

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-21 Thread Dave
David Miller wrote: this forum is setup for discussion, not converting people. Everybody here hopefully is interested in talking about what they believe and answering questions. I can't tell you how much I value being able to talk with someone like DaveH and Blaine and learn first hand

Re: [TruthTalk] Try this one, Blaine.

2003-12-21 Thread Blaine R Borrowman
That works!! BlaineRB On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:26:11 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine wrote: Perry, your messages go to an attachment whenever I try to reply tothem. Yours are the only ones that do that. Any idea why? Blaine, I have not had anyone

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave/Blaine

2003-12-21 Thread Blaine R Borrowman
Hi again Judy, I think we are closer in beliefs than you think. I don't even disagree with most of what you have said. However, one of our articles of faith states, "We believe men (and women) will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression."We do not believe in

Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-21 Thread Blaine R Borrowman
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:23:44 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine wrote: The Mormon missionaries are far from being like you street preachers. They wear suits, Some street preachers do that, just not Ruben. He is always in shorts. **BlainerB And a T shirt with a

Re: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

2003-12-21 Thread Blaine R Borrowman
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:30:36 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine wrote: I THINK we agree here, but MAYBE NOT No authoritative Mormon ever taught THAT we intend to be equal with God, or the trinity, or whatever you choose to call it. We believe that Jesus Christ as

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2003-12-21 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Thank you for the background, Perry. At first I thought you were responding to something DavidM said. So..if I am reading you right, you have not toured the Temple grounds or visitor center Did your mother-in-law do so? And if she did, did she offer any specific comments?