Whether or not Southern Baptists are racists in general I have no idea. But, you know what they say aboutCults that live in glass houses.
I do know that the LDS General Authorities have a history of racism
There still is NO Black man in the LDS presidency or Apostles.
2 Nephi 30:6 in the Book
It is not a put down it is how I see your theology, in some ways, it is juvenille
I have posted many things you simply ignore.
Care for me to go through them and bring some of them back to the table?
Right now you are on a LOST SHEEP binge
As soon asI post a full answer you somehow will loose
And Mormons are proof of that falling away!
There was NO TOTAL APOSTACY that needed a RESTORATION thru a a money digging OCCULTIST, who could not stay away from other mens wives.Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote: C'mon Blaine. If a Mormon missionary ever got a handle on the truth,
We are talking past each other, Judy. I think I
want to wait a while before going any farther with you.
Bill
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:55
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Please Hear Me Out
Before
DAVEH: Your comment interests me, Terry.
Where does it say that?
Second Thessalonians, 2:3 New KJV
DAVEH: Thanx Terry.Let me quote it...
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
Kevin Deegan wrote:
And Mormons are proof of that falling away!
There was NO TOTAL APOSTACY that needed a RESTORATION
DAVEH: I would have thought the Protestants would be happy to suggest
the RCC or the Dark Ages represented a time of apostasy and falling
away. Couldn't Protestants
DaveH wrote:
Here's the deal, DavidM.The T-Doctrine speaks to the oneness of
God. I've tried to find out just what that means, and so far I've not
found consistency with the answers in their relation to the Bible. At
first, Perry objected to my use of /purpose /to define /oneness/, and
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH: Your comment interests me,
Terry.
Where does it say that?
Second Thessalonians, 2:3 New KJV
DAVEH: Thanx Terry.Let me quote it...
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH wrote:
Here's the deal, DavidM.The T-Doctrine speaks to the oneness of
God. I've tried to find out just what that means, and so far I've not
found consistency with the answers in their relation to the Bible. At
first, Perry objected to my use of
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:36:01 -0700 Blaine Borrowman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
... he is the God of all Israel, not just the
God of the Jews in Jerusalem. His
new covenant had to be given
to ALL of the House of Israel.
Where do you get the idea that there were only Jews in the land of
DaveH,
I have been down the T-Doctrine road with you before, so no need to
repeat what I (as well as many others) have already stated. If you haven't
gotten it in four years, it isn't likely to come to you today.
Perry
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:13:47 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave:
That would then open the door to the Reformers claiming they were the
answer to Biblical prophecy. Yet I don't recall any Protestants making
such a claim. I'm curious as to why they don't adopt this scenario. By
not
Dave wrote:
=
Could men have also perverted the scriptures? If God allowed it, they
could. Did He allow it? No one is qualified to say.
DAVEH: Seems to me that the Bible itself
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition.
.Now let me quote your comment, Terry..
We are told that in the last days,
I'm probably going to make you all cringe a little
bit here, and some of you more than a little. By the way, I hope you don't mind
if I butt in. Excuse me, excuse me, coming through.
The problems, it seems to me, that we get in to in
these "Trinity" discussions arise not because of the
Gentlemen, many hold that the falling away in 2 Thes 2:3 referred to below
actually means separation, which refers to the rapture of believers prior
to the revealing of the man of sin. This is in agreement with end-times
revelation that Jesus will not come until after the rapture and the beast
True Christianity wasNEVER lost
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
EPH 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
God's word
In a message dated 3/9/2004 1:55:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
we get in to in these "Trinity" discussions arise not because of the threeness idea of the Trinity but because of the oneness idea we have about "God."
Another new guy on the list. Hi.
I am thinking that
John, welcome to TT, and thanks for your thoughtful input.
Perry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:14:57 EST
In a message dated 3/9/2004 1:55:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings John, welcome to the conversation. I am
glad you are interested and want to participate.
For the sake of context, since it is I whom you are
quoting, I would like to include the whole sentence here: I say, "The problems,
it seems to me, that we get in to in these "Trinity"
Wm. Taylor wrote:
I'm probably going to make you all
cringe a little bit here, and some of you more than a little. By the
way, I hope you don't mind if I butt in. Excuse me, excuse me, coming
through.
The problems, it seems to me, that
we get in to in these "Trinity"
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank
you!
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:10
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
Trinity
Wm. Taylor wrote:
I'm probably going to make you all
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Gentlemen, many hold that the falling away in 2 Thes 2:3 referred to
below actually means separation, which refers to the rapture of
believers prior to the revealing of the man of sin. This is in
agreement with end-times revelation that Jesus will not come until
John, you say A second reason for the confusion (as I understand it) is
that God did not chose to explain Himself to us. Without official
explanation, we have only conjecture. Each of the three are there, in the
inspired text. I am afraid that if we try to explain what has not been
fully
True Terry,
But it does get frustrating - at times it feels like wading
through
molasses, just going round and round and never getting any
place.
Maybe you need to share about your wife again - that was
really
encouraging :)
judyt
God allows the devil to raise up hereticsto make his people
Hi Terry,
I think working out our own salvation takes a lifetime and learning
how to love is probably the most difficult because of the generational stuff we
all have to learn to overcome and none of us escape that.
It's more difficult using this means of communication because at
times
Terry,
Thios is not one of my do-or-die beleifs, and it certainly will determine
no one's salvation either way, but does seem to fit well with the end times
and the rapture.
This translation of apostasia in this verse in no way indicates that
there won't be many who fall away from the
When Jesus comes back in the future
Act 3:20-21 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The headings chapter verses are not in the mss. They are not part of the text and not part of Gods word
You embarass yourself by claiming you thought the headings were scripture. that is just foolishness on your part. Perhaps you greatly desire to see something, anything, that will align with
Some call it TRI - UNITY
Trinity is a contraction of triUnity"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
- Original Message -
From: Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
Wm.
John,
By the way, the closest equivalent that koine Greek
has to the idea of person, as I've laid it out below, is the word soma.
This word is translated in English translations as "body." The good thing about
this word, that is missed in the English, is that it speaks of the wholeness of
ECHAD is the word for "Compound United oneness" instead of the word yachid, "the only one," "alone."
ECHADis used instead of yachid in places such as Genesis 2:24 where a man woman become ECHAD flesh, or ECHAD cluster of grapes
ECHADis used in Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God,
DAVEH: Sinners.yes. Lost?.Can one be lost if he endures to the end?
YESDave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
Look at how the
apostle Paul dealt with a similar situation in Acts 13:10 he said "O full of
all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of
Thanks, Kevin.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:41
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
Trinity
ECHAD is the word for "Compound United oneness" instead of the word
yachid, "the only one," "alone."
In a message dated 3/9/2004 4:05:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you willing to go that far?
Absolutely. Understand that I (we?) are not talking about the sinful use of unbiblical wording. Trinity is a good word, I suppose --- but it is not biblical. Person, as you so
Judy wrote:
More experts with a different date and time.
How is it so simple?
Corresponding dates of the past with our present calendar is not always
so simple. However, determining that the moon was full when Jesus was
crucified is VERY simple.
You don't seem to understand that the
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Terry,
Thios is not one of my do-or-die beleifs, and it certainly will
determine no one's salvation either way, but does seem to fit well
with the end times and the rapture.
This translation of apostasia in this verse in no way indicates
that there won't be
Wow, Lance.
That was real interesting.
I just received a book in the mail by Torrance called the Mediation of Christ. I cant wait to read more. It appears that Torrance took a TRULY holistic approach toward understanding, which
is a challenge to me because I have been trained to be
There exists more than 24,000 partial complete manuscript (mss) copies of the bible.They are available for inspection.The existing quotes (of portions of the New Testament) of the Bible number over 86,000These are found in letters and documents of the "church fathers" including several thousand
"And God said, let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness . . ."So according to LDS theology God should have made man after the gods
images.Instead Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him"A plural image (OUR image - TRINITARIAN Formula; Father,
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: Sinners.yes. Lost?.Can one be lost if he endures to
the end?
YES
DAVEH: Now let me ask you, Terry.Do you believe one can be saved if
he does not endure to the end?
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
Good enough, John. Now that I know where you are,
welcome again. I hope to have many fruitful discussions with you.
How about some of you others. What about
HenryBlackaby's famousTruth-is-a-Person dictum. I've seen it used
here on TT(although not with reference toBlackaby). And don't
Kevin Deegan wrote:
The headings chapter verses are not in the mss. They are
not part of the text and not part of Gods word
You embarass yourself by claiming you thought the headings were
scripture.
DAVEH: Forgive me for being naive, Kevin. As you are well aware, I'm
not high on
Bill wrote:
Hey David Miller,
Did you get the book?
Have you read it yet?
You sure are quiet.
I still haven't caught up reading all the posts on TruthTalk. I have a
two day conference I'm doing in Jacksonville for Gene Edwards and
company on March 19th and 20th, so I will probably be
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:33:32 -0600 Terry
Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Perry Locke wrote:..the
rapture..
is thisbiblical wording now; what
verse?
G
~ P
235
Kevin Deegan wrote:
When Jesus comes back in the future
Act 3:20-21 And he shall send Jesus Christ,
which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until
the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken
by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world
Wonderful, David, I can hardly wait. It's good to hear from you, and hope
you enjoy the book,
Oh, and thanks for responding to Lance Muir. I don't know if he's still on,
but if he is, I'm sure he will be glad that someone got it!
Thanks again,
Bill Taylor
- Original Message -
From:
DaveH wrote:
That would then open the door to the Reformers
claiming they were the answer to Biblical prophecy.
Yet I don't recall any Protestants making such a claim.
I'm curious as to why they don't adopt this scenario.
By not seeing it from this perspective, it seems to me
they
Perry wrote:
However, if the order of events is preserved in the
2 Thes 2:3 (and we know it is since it's entire purpose
is to state the order of events), then the above cannot
be possible since at the time the falling away occurs,
the man of sin has not yet been revealed.
I think you are
Kevin Deegan wrote:
True Christianity wasNEVER lost
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon
this rock I will build my church;
DAVEH: IMHO..that rock was revelation, Kevin. So, to me
it makes sense that after a general apostasy (falling away), it
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
I respectfully disagree, Terry. I will explain it to you if
you wish, but it is a tangential path away from the nature of my
questions to you about the falling away and why Protestants don't claim
to be the resultant restoration of all things.
In a message dated 3/9/2004 5:11:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The answer now, it seems to me, is not to trash the language -- as if that
will make the controversy go away -- but to learn how to speak it in a way
that is both historically and biblically accurate, while
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH,
I have been down the "T-Doctrine" road with you before, so no need to
repeat what I (as well as many others) have already stated. If you
haven't gotten it in four years, it isn't likely to come to you today.
DAVEH: I can only assume you are trying
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:13:47 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave:
That would then open the door to the Reformers claiming they were the
answer to Biblical prophecy. Yet I don't recall any Protestants making
such a claim. I'm curious
Not in the Bible, but an english word commonly used to refer to the catching
up or snatching away of the church as described in 1 Thes 4:17 (but, you
knew that already). Like trinity, or the antichrist (when used as an
epithet for 'the beast of Revelation). English words that catch the idea of
Well stated, John. Thank you. When I said trash, I
was thinking in terms of discarding, to throw away, to stop using. I agree, I
should have selected my words more carefully here.
Bill
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
DavidM,
Actually, we know the order is true despite what falling away may mean,
right? Paul is laying out the order. The falling away happens, then the man
of sin is revealed, then the Lord comes.
Now, if one takes falling away to mean a falling away of the faithful from
the faith, then the
If I may add a comment, there is a difference between reformation and
restoration. The protestant movement was a reformation...JS' movement was a
restoration. I see them as quite different. Luther thought the church had
gone astray, and reformed it to correct doctrinal error. JS thought the
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
That would then open the door to the Reformers
claiming they were the answer to Biblical prophecy.
Yet I don't recall any Protestants making such a claim.
I'm curious as to why they don't adopt this scenario.
By not seeing it from this
Kevin Deegan wrote:
And God said, let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness . . .
So according to LDS theology God should have made man after the gods
images.
DAVEH: All Gods at that point of time were in the same (deified) image,
as there were not yet any false gods created by men.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
There exists more than 24,000 partial complete manuscript
(mss) copies of the bible.
They are available for inspection.
The existing quotes (of portions of the New Testament) of the Bible
number over 86,000
These are found in letters and documents of the "church
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