Our pastor recommended using either
Compassion International (www.compassion.com),
or Samaritans Purse (www.samaritanspurse.com).
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005
8:36 AM
To:
I noticed a couple of books in our church
bookstore about movies: How Movies
Helped Save My SoulFinding Spiritual Fingerprints in Culturally
Significan Films by Tony Campolo, and HP The Hollywood ProjectA Look into the Minds of the Makers of
Spiritually Relevant Films by Alex Field. Our
In marriage counseling, compatibility testing for
couples, pre-marital, postulates the notion that there are well defined borders
to a personality. Change is only a positioning within
those borders. If this were not true, compatibility testing would not be
helpful - its basis
Terry,
The Trinity is the relationship as one of
the Father, Son and Spirit eternally. It is who God is. To deny the
eternal sonship of the Son is to deny the Trinity existing eternally. It
means there is no Father, and no Son prior to the incarnation with no Spirit
mediating between
Terry,
The Trinity
is the relationship as one of
the Father, Son and Spirit eternally. It is who God is. To deny the
eternal sonship of the Son is to deny the Trinity existing eternally.
It
means there is no Father, and no Son prior to the incarnation with no
Spirit
mediating
Jonathan
writes:
The
Trinity is the relationship as one of the Father, Son and
Spirit eternally. It is who God
is.
jt: God calls Himself
by many titles in scripture, Elohim is only one of them.
To deny the eternal
sonship of the Son is to deny the Trinity
David Miller wrote:
Sorry if you feel that my comments facilitate an us v. them mentality. I
guess it does, but it seems to me that we already have that here. Perhaps I
should not facilitate that, so I will consider your kind corrective here.
John has repeatedly refered to *THEM* as the
Just
had to completely change the subject line. It was annoying to
me.
Continue on with your conversation
Kay
Jonathan writes:
The
Trinity is the relationship as
one of the Father, Son and Spirit eternally. It is who God is.
jt: God calls Himself by many titles in
scripture, Elohim is only one of them.
JBH: I would suggest moving away
from titles to who God is inherently in
Amen Terry! What needs be determined is that which falls under the rubric
'non-negotiable'.
- Original Message -
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2005 08:01
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Believing scripture
David Miller wrote:
Which I would think would boil down to one issue: salvation.
All other topics (or arguments) are subject to opinion and don't really
matter. If it's not a salvation issue, then it's essentially a non-issue,
but can be fun to kick around ideas and opinions. Same with
prophecy...nobody really knows
So then Kay, just how is one to make such a determination?
- Original Message -
From: Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2005 10:36
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Believing scripture
Which I would think would boil down to one issue: salvation.
People are to work out their own salvation. They are responsible for
themselves and no one else. I think Scripture is pretty clear on the
born-again aspect. HoweverI do find one part
interesting...(paraphrase) believe on the Name of the Lord and you SHALL BE
saved. Interesting to me, at least.
Hi Jonathan. I really enjoyed reading this post. We are truly having a
civil conversation. Thanks. I hope we both have the patience to discuss
our difference in approaching truth, and that we both gain some appreciation
for the difference in emphasis that we both have.
Jonathan wrote:
You
Terry, you always speak absolute
sense. Thanks and keep it up. Izzy
You feel some compulsion to think that way Jonathan. I do not. The
Godhead is three persons. The second person has always been God just as
certainly as the first and third
Kay wrote:
All other topics (or arguments) are subject
to opinion and don't really matter.
If it's not a salvation issue, then it's essentially
a non-issue, but can be fun to kick around ideas
and opinions.
I think non-salvation issues do matter. What we believe influences our
decisions
Hail David
Greetings and many blessings in the name of the Lord Jesus For this new year, Both to you and your blessed family! Please give a special blessing to The Terry's for me as well.
How is it going? I hope that the new year started with bright hope and great expectations for you all. I also
TTers
I sent an email intended for David Miller to TT by error. Please ignore. I apologise for any embarrassment caused to David or any one else on TT.
As I am at it I wish God's perfect will for everyone on TT in this year ahead, and may we all come to know Him who is true, as He requires us to
I guess I should clarify. Nobody has the whole kit-n-kaboodle on anything.
If someone is saved they generally will act as such. I don't think what
you believe regarding...pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, what you eat or don't
eat, where you live, your education, what day of the week you worship,
Michael, many blessings to you. I miss
hearing from you. Please keep us updated on your walk with the Lord. Izzy
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005
10:54 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject:
You 'string together' several ill-founded ideas in this post. You really
ought to employ more rigour in your assertions.
Perhaps your posts ought not be so brief.
Seriously, David, I for one do not engage you more extensively for the same
reason that others occasionally back off. Slade came up
John Smithson wrote:
when did The Father become the Father
We already talked about this. This question falsely assumes that the father
is the father of only Jesus the Son. Only in this circumstance would you be
led to conclude that without the Son Jesus, there would be no father.
Because
Kay wrote:
I'm also waiting for your answer as to what
aspects of the Messianic Movement you feel
may be dangerous are, David.
The dangerous aspects are those within the movement who emphasize shadows
over reality. For example, those who think that keeping Torah commandments
that deal with
Lance wrote:
You 'string together' several ill-founded
ideas in this post.
Which ideas are you having trouble understanding?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man.
I don't know of anyone who emphasizes the shadows over reality. Maybe I'm
not understanding what you mean.
Killing a lamb as in sacrificing a lamb?? I know of no Messianic Believer
who does this.
Observing the moadim...please elaborate. Observance of the Holy days are
commanded, Sabbath
The ill-founded ones, of course. No time so, just a declaration (perhaps
itself ill-founded?)
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2005 15:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Believing scripture
Lance wrote:
You 'string
There's that 'became' again.
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2005 15:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
John Smithson wrote:
when did The Father become the Father
In a message dated 1/3/2005 7:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You feel some compulsion to think that way Jonathan. I do not. The Godhead is three persons. The second person has always been God just as certainly as the first and third person, but there was no reason to
In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:10:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John has repeatedly refered to *THEM* as the Triad. I guess that is some
other kind of Trinity?
And to be quite honest, I was not the first to separate some from the others. Not a bad thing -- there is a
In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:11:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you might have missed it John . A saved person yoked to a lost person is an unequal coupling. They cannot be a team. That is what the Bible is telling us. Saved and lost do not pull together. They pull
In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:48:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this too is an overstatement. A lot of statistical noise does not
mean that "nobody really knows." If you have one thousand people saying one
thousand different things, that does not mean that they
David Miller wrote:
The father became the father when Elohim
first created life, such as an angel.
Lance wrote:
There's that 'became' again.
The term father denotes a function of being a parent over offspring. Are
you going to try to argue that the creation always existed? If the creation
In a message dated 1/3/2005 12:21:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We already talked about this. This question falsely assumes that the father
is the father of only Jesus the Son. Only in this circumstance would you be
led to conclude that without the Son Jesus, there
Lance wrote:
The ill-founded ones, of course.
None of the ideas in that post appear ill founded to me, but I realize that
such may not be the case with those that do not have the background of
knowledge that I have. To a mathematician, I would not need to establish
that y = mx +b, but to
The term Father as applied to God that we are referring to is the classical
definition of the Trinity as Father, Son, and Spirit. This is not the
Father you are referring to. I believe you are thinking that God must have
created offspring to be a Father. Jesus Christ and the Spirit were not
In a message dated 1/3/2005 12:37:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The dangerous aspects are those within the movement who emphasize shadows
over reality. For example, those who think that keeping Torah commandments
that deal with shadows is the only way to be pleasing to
In a message dated 1/3/2005 1:26:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Denouncing trinity? I didn't know there was such a Biblical term in the
first place.
I think David has a problem here. If you are not denying God in Trinity by refusing to consider Christ as the Eternal
In a message dated 1/3/2005 3:04:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The term "father" denotes a function of being a parent over offspring. Are
you going to try to argue that the creation always existed? If the creation
did not always exist, then there was some point in time
In a message dated 1/3/2005 3:08:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
None of the ideas in that post appear ill founded to me, but I realize that
such may not be the case with those that do not have the background of
knowledge that I have.
I'm going to go have a beer.
JD
John Smithson wrote:
What was your scripture on this conclusion
Judy gave us the passage: Heb. 12:9.
The case is much more than surmise and conjecture. It is an absolute proof
given the accepted premises. If we define the word father to mean someone
who is the originator of something, and
In a message dated 1/3/2005 3:33:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy gave us the passage: Heb. 12:9.
The case is much more than surmise and conjecture. It is an absolute proof
given the accepted premises. If we define the word "father" to mean someone
who is the
Jonathan wrote:
I am continually astounded that those who have
been termed 'liberals' on this forum are the only
ones who hold to orthodox Christianity, that which
the church catholic has decreed for millennia.
The more we discuss the more we see how the
'non-liberals' spurn the faith of
John, can you give us the definition of father? Why is Yahweh called
father? Why does Jesus teach us to address him as, our heavenly father?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:17 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
The term Father as applied to God
Hi David,
When I was younger there were a few arguments that one used to determine
where one stood on the evangelical spectrum. Ten to fifteen years ago it
was evolution versus creation, the end-times, and the use of the 'sign'
gifts. Nowadays the litmus tests seem to be either abortion or your
I
think I'll join you, if you don't mind consorting with a dangerous
oneHehehehehe...
Kay
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 03 January, 2005
18.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:
The
Bentile Legalist? What's that mean? Bent people?
Kay
:)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 03 January, 2005
18.18To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Judaizers within
God is
one, Scripture says so. God has many different aspects or
manifestations
I
still haven't found any reference to trinity in Scripture. What I truly think is
that some dude tried to make God more understandable to our very limited minds
and taught us about the three in one. Makes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 7:25:59 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You
feel some compulsion to think that way Jonathan. I do not. The
Godhead is three persons. The second person has always been God just
as certainly as the first and third
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:11:36 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you might have missed it John .
A saved person yoked to a lost person is an unequal coupling. They
cannot be a team. That is what the Bible is telling us. Saved and
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
The term Father as applied to God that we are referring to is the classical
definition of the Trinity as Father, Son, and Spirit. This is not the
Father you are referring to. I believe you are thinking that God must have
created offspring to be a Father. Jesus Christ and
I'll join ya for a Guinness, John!
Jeff
- Original Message -
From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005
18:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Believing
scripture
In a message dated 1/3/2005 3:08:01 PM Pacific
Standard
In a message dated 1/3/2005 3:59:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, can you give us the definition of "father"?
Why is Yahweh called "father"?
Why does Jesus teach us to address him as, "our heavenly father"?
A father is one who births an offspring in
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:20:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think I'll join you, if you don't mind consorting with a dangerous oneHehehehehe...
Kay
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In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:21:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Bentile Legalist? What's that mean? Bent people?
Kay :)
Dang me !! Let's try Gentile Legalist. I really need to proof read more carefully. but I get excited, start typing, and BAM I have
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:35:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God is one, Scripture says so. God has many different aspects or manifestations
I still haven't found any reference to trinity in Scripture. What I truly think is that some dude tried to make God more
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:35:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I honestly do not know. I suppose that you could say He became a father when He created angels, and there is some justification for that in scripture. You could also say He became a father when He created Adam
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:40:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Glad that I misunderstood you John. The way you worded your post, I got the idea that you felt it was okay for a Christian to marry a lost person as long as they were not unequal.
Terry
Well, they are noing
I
thought you were purposely being funny...
K.
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[TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:49:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll join ya for a Guinness, John!
Jeff
Amstill Light and tomato juice is good for me. A toast !!!
John
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:44:58 -0500 "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi
Judy,
judyt:
Hi Jonathan, You write: I would like to think
that this email will solve the image of God for all of humankind discussion
once and for all. I am being naïve if I think this. I would ask that
I
think there's a Scripture that says not to mix beer and tea...or maybe that's
tradition! :)
Kay
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 03 January, 2005
20.08To:
jt:
Jonathan,
Please tell meyou don't think that all the "image of God"
consists of is being human with a positive orientation of life
toward God.
Is this remaking God in
our own image - or is it humanism? David Miller would probably be more
qualified to discern. judyt
The basis for this
Isn't this an oxymoron since "eternal" means forever
and it would be impossible for God to die?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:09:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:35:46 PM Pacific
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I honestly do not know. I suppose that you
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:35:00 PM Pacific
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:God is one, Scripture says so. God has many different aspects or
manifestations I
still haven't found any reference to trinity in Scripture. What I truly think is
that some dude tried to make God
Hi Izzy,
The reason I have not replied to you was because of what you
said at the end of your first request to me on why my belief in the eternal
sonship matters. I will quote the ending:
How has it made you a better person? (I cant
imagine.)
The sarcastic nature of the I cant
Thanks, Judy. Hmmm...just did a little research and found both of them
were Catholics. Small wonder. The dude who also came up with the pre-trib
rapture theory was also a Catholic a Jesuit priest who claimed to be a Jew.) I
can't remember his name. Very interesting indeed.
Again,
thanks,
Hi Judy. I admit to being disappointed
that you appear to not have wrestled with my post. I put a lot of work
into that post to help you move from a non-biblical viewpoint to one supported
by scripture. Ah well, two points to me for trying!
You are correct in that I do not think
that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:35:46 PM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
honestly do not know. I suppose that you could say He became a father
when He created angels, and there is some justification for that in
scripture. You could also say He
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:21:33 PM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
Bentile Legalist? What's that mean? Bent people?
Kay
:)
Dang me !! Let's try Gentile Legalist. I really need to proof read
more carefully. but
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:44:55 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And where in Heb 12:9 does it speak of
angels? The side bar for this verse is "our
spirits."
jt: John are you one of the ones who
claimedwe humans are merely minds with a body,
(orbody and soul only)?
Moses knew God was the
I meant to tell you that I appreciated the time and
work you put into that post Jonathan and I'm sorryI forgot
to.
Actually I did go over all those scriptures and gave it
a lot of thought. [BTW Where does one find Ecclesiasticus?]
I believe the viewpoint I have on the image of God
right now
From:
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005
7:00 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers
within the Messianic Movement
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:21:33 PM Pacific Standard
Hi Jonathan:
God also says in His Law "thou shalt not kill"
withoutreference to God's image. God is a Spirit with a nature and
character unlike ours. When Cain slew Abel God said that Abel's blood
cried to him from the ground and we know that the life of the flesh is in the
blood. I don't
Izzy in blue:
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005
7:33 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Why the
Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
Hi Izzy,
The reason I have not
I honestly do not
know. I suppose that you could say He became a father when He created
angels, and there is some justification for that in scripture. You could
also say He became a father when He created Adam and Eve. The only
certainty I see is that He became the Father of Jesus when His
In a message dated 1/3/2005 5:16:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think there's a Scripture that says not to mix beer and tea...or maybe that's tradition! :)
Kay
You are correct, my dear. It is found in 2 Thought 10:4 next to the passage that allows for tomato juice
In a message dated 1/3/2005 5:56:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't this an oxymoron since "eternal" means forever and it would be impossible for God to die?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:09:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 4:35:46 PM Pacific
In a message dated 1/3/2005 6:02:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I honestly do not know. I suppose that you could say He became a father when He created angels, and there is some justification for that in scripture. You could also say He became a father when He created
In a message dated 1/3/2005 6:43:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John are you one of the ones who claimed we humans are merely minds with a body,
(or body and soul only)? Guess again, miss judy. Moses knew God was the Father of spirits and so did Aaron
[See Numbers
In a message dated 1/3/2005 6:44:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I meant to tell you that I appreciated the time and work you put into that post Jonathan and I'm sorry I forgot to.
Actually I did go over all those scriptures and gave it a lot of thought. [BTW Where does
In a message dated 1/3/2005 6:53:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dang me !! Let's try Gentile Legalist. I really need to proof read more carefully. but I get excited, start typing, and BAM I have fathered another misspelling.
John
Without a mother???
DAVEH: H...are you a THEM or an US, JD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:10:56 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John has repeatedly refered to *THEM*
as the Triad. I guess that is some
other kind of Trinity?
And to be quite
In a message dated 1/3/2005 7:30:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Id appreciate it if JD or Jonathan or Lance could please write in ONE CONCISE statement what they mean by Eternal Fatherhood or Eternal Son so we could at least decide if we agree once and for all. I still
In a message dated 1/3/2005 10:53:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: H...are you a THEM or an US, JD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:10:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John has repeatedly refered to *THEM*
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