In a message dated 12/23/2005 10:31:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Blainerb:Pe le El--from the language of Adam and
Eve--sacred words that pertain specifically to the ceremony, so cannot
discuss further. Sorry--
You lost me on this
one. are you
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Blainerb:
Apparently I am not the first to wonder if the loss of blood at Gethsemane
In a message dated 12/22/2005 4:41:28 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Congratulations,
Blaine.
So you are not the first to be wrong. iz
cd: Yes amen-Truth is
having her perfect way Blain.
Blainerb: Opinions . . .
In a message dated 12/22/2005 5:04:21 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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I am always happy to publish the great
truths of Mormonism on TT or anywhere. :)
Blainerb
cd: Then please tell us of this Pay-Lay-Ale
ceremony
Blainerb:Pe le El--from the language of
Blainerb:Pe le El--from the language of Adam and Eve--sacred words that pertain specifically to the ceremony, so cannot discuss further. Sorry--
You lost me on this one. are you saying that Mormonism knows the language spoken by A and E?
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Congratulations, Blaine. So you are not the first to be wrong. iz
cd: Yes amen-Truth is having her perfect way Blain.
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I am always happy to publish the great truths of Mormonism on TT or anywhere. :)
Blainerb
cd: Then please tell us of this Pay-Lay-Ale ceremony?
In a message
Congratulations, Blaine. So you are not the first to be
wrong. iz
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tle import.
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Blainerb: Apparently I am not the first to
wonder if the loss of blood at
premises, not God’s Word. Please discuss this further on TT rather than
private posts, thank you. izzy
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Blainerb: Apparently I am not the first to
wonder if the loss of blood at Gethsemane was considerable. See
below:
In a message dated 12/19/2005 8:53:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Although some authors have suggested that hematidrosis produced
hypovolemia,
'sweating blood' is
a classic nuanced English figure of speech, Bro, sorta like 'making a
silk purse from a sow's ear'
the underlying
elemental requirementsofProtestant orthodoxy arenot too
complicated--ourhistory in Christ--all its documents, too--allow (any)one
to discover,
Earth to Blainer:Please do a little homework on this one.
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In a message dated 12/18/2005 10:00:08 P.M. Mountain Standard
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In a message dated 12/18/2005 10:00:08
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Blaine that is SO ridiculous. Where do you
get this stuff?? iz
Sorry my thinking does not jive
In a message dated 12/18/2005 7:28:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and
his name is called The Word of God.
I have trodden the winepress alone, . . .
Sure seems to be a strong emphasis on lots of
Thank you Iz, this is talking about none other than the Lord Jesus Christ,
right? John also calls him "the Word."
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/18/2005 1:33:45 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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rev.11And I saw heaven opened, and
behold a white horse; and he
Oh, well, at least we have agreed he bled in Gethsemane, is that a
conclusion I can count on? :) Maybe not so much as I thought tho,
huh?
Blainerb
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Although this is a very rare phenomenon,
Yup.
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Oh, well, at least we have agreed he bled
in Gethsemane, is that a conclusion I
Yup again.
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Thank you Iz, this is talking about none
other than the Lord Jesus
The Cross?
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BLOOD is the key word, I think--which he shed in large quantitiesin Gethsemane--apparently more than he actually shed on Calvary. When he returns he
most
likely).
Perry
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CPL, what's your perspective on (just) this question?
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BLOOD is the key word, I
think--which he shed in large
cd: Thanks Izzy.
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rev.11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True
In a message dated 12/17/2005 4:03:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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English nuancecaptures the
foregoingNT concept in the compounded wording, blood shed, or, shed
blood, which, as is obvious,isproperly associatedwith
Golgotha, not
Gethsemane
Then you must
Blaine that is SO
ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff?? iz
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In a message dated 12/18/2005 10:00:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Blaine that is SO
ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff??
iz
Sorry my thinking does not jive with yours--Actually, this is not
necessarily Mormon doctrine, just my own thinking
A good reason, but there had to be a more profound reason, huh?
In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:59:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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How about to fulfill prophecy? Is that a good reason?
Blainer wrote
I am not sure why dying
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Hmm, good points, Kevin, but I doubt there is really a discrepancy or
contradiction, otherwise how are you going to explain the agony of
Gethsemene? What he suffered on the cross was more physical, which
lead to his death
BLOOD is the key word, I think--which he shed
in large quantitiesin Gethsemane--apparently more than he actually shed on
Calvary. When he returns he will be wearing red--right? This is a
symbol of his blood drenching his entire body, which it did not do on the
cross. In fact, other than
think with us about 'blood
shed', Bro--the connotation of 'blood shed' makes it the key, not merely
'blood'--eh?
'blood shed', as you've
already realized,accurately accounts for the NTcrucifixion violence,
the literary emphasis of the Gospel accounts of 'the
Cross'
English
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Hmm, good points
Blaine, I honestly believe you are baiting Christians on TT, or else you
truly have not read the Bible.
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BLOOD is the key word, I
CPL,what's
your perspective on (just) this question?
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Blainerb: Kevin, you quoted the passage in the DC where the doctrine of the garden
is taught. Now you are asking where it was taught? It all began in the garden. He suffered there , "even unto
death." Did you miss that part or something?
In a message dated 12/15/2005 5:45:54 P.M. Mountain
Blainerb: Here's your quote,
Kevin. This is where the doctrine of the garden is
taught. But it is also
taught in the Bible. Luke 22:41-44; Mark 14:33-36; Matt 26:
37-39
In a message dated 12/15/2005 5:44:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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DC 19:15-19
Therefore
Forgiveness is available because of the atoning sacrifice of the Great Jehovah. Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent. Forgiveness is available because "God
Hmm, good points, Kevin, but I doubt there is really a discrepancy or
contradiction, otherwise how are you going to explain the agony of
Gethsemene? What he suffered on the cross was more physical, which lead to
his death--but there obviously was the agony of Gethsemene, wherein he suffered
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Hmm, good points, Kevin, but I doubt there is really a discrepancy or contradiction, otherwise how are you going to explain the agony of Gethsemene? What he
How about to fulfill prophecy? Is that a good reason?
Blainer wrote
I am not sure why dying had to take place on the cross,
eventually, unless it has something to do with overcoming death--which
had to be done in order to overcome the effects of Adam's
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How about to fulfill prophecy? Is that a good
reason?
Blainer wrote
I am not sure
The scripture says his sweat was as You say he bled from every poreChurch Manual says: "The Savior atoned for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of
Blainerb: These are the words of Jesus Christ--as revealed to
the prophet Joseph Smith. Thanks, Kevin, I was trying to find
them.
In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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AND SHRINK?
DC 19 Therefore I command you to
In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Jesus Christ did not ATONE for our
sins by suffering in the Garden
Thanks Kevin, we were waiting for the final word from your Royal Highness .
. . Now we know the truth because you said it--What
Sure just let me know what you need I'll be there for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Blainerb: These are the words of Jesus Christ--as revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith. Thanks, Kevin, I was trying to find them. In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
The Holy Bible is the authority. The bible does not teach any such thingAs a Matter of fact where does the BoM or DC teach such?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/15/2005 8:47:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus Christ did not ATONE for our
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