Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now please answer my question. According to Torah, is it right or wrong to pick up sticks on Sabbath. Shouldn't we define work on the Sabbath according to God's Word and not according to what we personally think is ok or not?That's been my point... allow the
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Slade writes:
It's not the Torah that is cruel... it would be legalists like you who
demand a certain bar which cannot be moved for a demanding situation.
You
are the reason the Pharisees created a series of If... Then...
regulations
Hu Slade,
You wrote:Speaking of tradition... the Original Apostolic Church kept the
Sabbath AND met to eat a communal meal on the First day of the week.
I believe the original apostolic church was found at Jerusalem. Where do you
find that the Jerusalem church kept the sabbath?
The church at
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:58:16 -0500 "Slade
Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What Yeshua reminded us is that the commandments
are not just physicalthings we do... we need to have a HEART for the
commandments as well.
Not true; while ignoring the crux of the
NT, you've selfishly reduced
ROFL!!!
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David Miller wrote:
Now please answer my question. According to Torah, is it
right or wrong to pick up sticks on Sabbath. Shouldn't
we define work on the Sabbath according to God's Word
and not according to what we personally think is ok or
not?
Slade wrote:
That's been my point...
Izzy wrote:
David, What don't you understand about doing no unnecessary
work? Yes, you must still feed and diaper the children, keep
the house warm, doing kind deeds, etc. No, you should not do
anything unnecessary, such as gathering sticks or earning money,
or anything that you should
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Izzy
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David, What don't you understand about doing no unnecessary
work
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writes:"Gal 5:4 -- You are severed
from Christ, you who would be justified by
thelaw; you ha
i'm wondering, when did you start?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:19:35 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One day, I'm sure you will provide something
uplifting and participatory to these conversations. I am still praying for
you.
shalom
slade
Izzy wrote:
David, Are you trying to turn me into a Pharisee with
all of your rule-making?
No! I do not make the rules. I am not a law maker. These rules are the
rules of Torah. I only interpret the rules of Torah according to the
best of my understanding (which is admittedly very
David,
I
am really becoming exasperated with you. God forbid we should make holy SATURNDAY.
And God forbid that we should think that what HE says doesn't really
matter, and conveniently change it to what WE think is a better idea. Izzy
Exodus
20
8
Remember the sabbath day,
to keep
Obviously, much too late. J Izzy
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i'm wondering, when did you
start?
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[DavidMs] idea of "spiritually keeping
commandment"is western thought... just so you know. It's called
Hellenism.)
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Check the TT internet archives, Slade,
if they still exist (I suspect they are no longer
Slade writes:
It's not the Torah that is cruel... it would be legalists like you who
demand a certain bar which cannot be moved for a demanding situation. You
are the reason the Pharisees created a series of If... Then...
regulations
that they tied to the Torah. This was their way of protecting
Slade wrote:
The man was in rebellion. It just so happened that
he violated the Shabbat with a high hand.
David Miller wrote:
This would explain why he was not offered forgiveness,
but it does not mean that picking up sticks is ok on
Shabbat. Are you really trying to say that the Torah
Now please answer my question. According to Torah, is it right or wrong
to pick up sticks on Sabbath. Shouldn't we define work on the Sabbath
according to God's Word and not according to what we personally think is
ok or not?
That's been my point... allow the Bible to define the subject.
Hmmm!
This is interesting. Situational ethics Slade?
I don't see it practiced at all under the Old Covenant, although some
of those who have been stoned probably wished it were so.
Judy
Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now please answer my question. According to Torah, is it right or
I suggest you look again.
shalom
slade
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Hmmm!
This is interesting. Situational ethics Slade?
I don't see it practiced at all under the Old Covenant, although some
of those who have been stoned
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Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"Gal 5:4 -- You are severed from Christ, you
who would be justified by thelaw; you have fallen away from grace."
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..Ecclesiastes: "..: Fear God and keep
His commandments; for this applies
to EVERY MAN.."
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:24:57 -0500 "Slade
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Christ, you who would be justified by thelaw; you h
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Slade wrote:
The man was in rebellion. It just so happened that
he violated the Shabbat with a high hand
Izzy:
Trying to help you unscramble your thinking hardly qualifies as persecution.
When you have been scourged and stoned you can start saying poor me.
Nothing could please me more than to see you start to understand what the
Holy Spirit is screaming at you from the pages of your Bible, but since
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:37:13 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
UNDER THE LAW = salvation through
works
UNDER GRACE = salvation through
grace
Compare; DavidM wrote,
11/4/03:
"..the law *is only* a
subset of what defines righteousness..."
--
*Thisis misleading*--not
I'd agree on
that:)
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Perhaps I'm missing
something..
DAVEH: I think your humor may be too dry for this webfoot, g.
Either that, or maybe you haven't a funny bone in your body that hasn't
already been broken in two But keep trying.someday
you may say something that is truly humorous! ;-)
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I'd
agree on that:)On
Wed,
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:42:31 -0800
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: I think your humor may
be too dry for this webfoot,
g...
How's this?
An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska, admiring all
that evolution had created. "What majestic trees! What a powerful
DAVEH: That's much better, g...but, it is a rather old joke..funny
none the less. Perhaps you really do have a funny bone after all..Well
done, brother!
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DAVEH:
I think your humor may be too
:
michael
douglas
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Michael D: Izzy and Judith, Exodus 20:9-10 are truly God's word
and commandment. However, that same God stated in the New Testament in
Rom.3
to characterize your contributions as such, I will concede that that's fair enough.
shalom
slade
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Slade wrote:
UNDER THE LAW = salvation through works
UNDER GRACE = salvation through grace
Can you justify these statements? I do not find them Biblical.
The context in which I have been discussing under law has been
sanctification / holiness, not salvation. The two are related, but to
Numbers 15 indicates that picking up sticks on Sabbath is punishable by
death. I don't see much difference between picking up sticks and
picking up a television remote or the kids toys. I don't know about
you, but around here, picking up the kids toys is work! :-)
The man was in rebellion.
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Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
UNDER THE LAW = salvation through
works
UNDER GRACE = salvation through
grace
Nowhere has
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Hi Izzy,
Relative to tjhe Sabbath, you quoted parts of Exodus 20:
8 Remember (1) the sabbath
in the scriptures. Izzy
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Hi Izzy,
Relative to tjhe Sabbath, you quoted parts of Exodus 20:
8
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Bruce,
I am, as a Believer, part of spiritual Israel. I am not a gentile
(ie:
heathen, pagan), and don't wish to be considered as one. You
may
consider
yourself to be one if you wish. Then it would make perfect sense
Hi Izzy,
You wrote:Bruce, I am, as a Believer, part of spiritual Israel. I am not
a gentile (ie: heathen, pagan), and don't wish to be considered as one.
You may consider yourself to be one if you wish. Then it would make perfect
sense for you to ignore whatever you wish in the scriptures.
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"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I am, as a Believer, part of spiritual
Israel.
Apparently John Wesley thoughtit
isn'tpossible, while bogged down in legalism like you are, Iz, to belong
to 'spiritual Israel' (and if that's Abe's 'offspring' in
Slade wrote:
The man was in rebellion. It just so happened that
he violated the Shabbat with a high hand.
This would explain why he was not offered forgiveness, but it does not
mean that picking up sticks is ok on Shabbat. Are you really trying to
say that the Torah allows for picking up
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writes:
>I am, as a Believer, part of spiritual
Israel.Apparently
John Wesley thought it isn't possible, while bogged down in legalism like
you are, Iz, to belong to 'spiritual Israel' (and if that's
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Date: 11/3/2003 8:14:37 AM
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This so much reminds me of Jesus conversation with the religious
leaders about the ox that falls
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Date: 11/3/2003 8:14:37 AM
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This so much reminds me of Jesus conversation with the religious
leaders about the ox that falls into the ditch on the sabbath
because of
their outrage over him healing a person on that day. He taught
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I
have some questions for you, Izzy, Slade, and any others who stress
the
need to keep the seventh day Sabbath. Have you or do you ever
[Original Message]
From: Judith H. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It
is here and now while we are living in this world of fear,
stress,
anxiety, and unbelief that we need his 'sabbath' rest every day of the
week
not just Saturday and/or Sunday.
Exodus 20
8
Remember (1) the
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The way I understand it presently (I am open to correction by anyone
who can show me in the Word where I am wrong) is that the Hebrews 4 rest
for the people of God is in this life rather than in the world to
on Sabbath.
Sabbath is a joy, not a burden.
Kay
shalom
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Slade wrote
g, who taught you Bible exegesisAlan Ginzberg? Izzy
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Slade
IF you are a Jew, hoping to be saved by keeping the
law:
Exodus
20
8
"Remember (1) the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 "(2)
Six days you
shall labor and do all your work,
10 but
the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it (3) you shall not do
any
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Judith H. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is here and now while we are living in this world of fear,
stress,
anxiety, and unbelief that we need his 'sabbath' rest every day of the
week
not just Saturday and/or Sunday.
Exodus
David Miller wrote:
I have some questions for you, Izzy, Slade, and
any others who stress the need to keep the seventh
day Sabbath. Have you or do you ever pick up a stick
or maybe the remote control to your television on
Saturday? On a Saturday, have you ever put away a
toy one of the
Hi Izzy,
Relative to tjhe Sabbath, you quoted parts of Exodus 20:
8 Remember (1) the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 (2) Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall
not do any work, you or your son or your
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:46:43 + "Bruce
Woodford" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The "Ten Commandments" as a unit
have never been addressed to or required of any Gentile!
Bruce,
Doesit matter who they're
addressed to if they're meant ultimately to be adhered to 'spiritually'?
Were
This so much reminds me of Jesus conversation with the religious
leaders about the ox that falls into the ditch on the sabbath because of
their outrage over him healing a person on that day. He taught that the
sabbath was made for man rather than man for the sabbath and that
He is Lord of the
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11/3/2003 7:57:03 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping
Judy wrote:
How did this get so complicated?
Dean wrote:
It is only complicated by those whom don't want
to keep Gods
The point is that we are striving to keep the Sabbath holy. I encourage you
to tell me where the use of a television remote, putting a toy away, or
cooking a meal on Saturday is against the Law?
Why do you and people like you attack the commandments in this way? Why do
you try to show that the
. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This so much reminds me of Jesus conversation with the religious
leaders about the ox that falls into the ditch on the sabbath because
Slade: "Why do..people like you attack the
commandments..?"
For one thing, Slade,'the
Commandments' have nothin' to do with Abe's 'offspring'.
As I see it, Abe's 'offspring'
(Gen15:4Then the word
of the LORD came to him: "..a son coming from your own body will be your heir."
5He took
FTR, the Mormons defy Abe's
'offspring', too.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:53:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Slade: "Why do..people like you attack
the commandments..?"
For one thing, Slade,'the
Commandments' have nothin' to do with Abe's
'offspring'.
DAVEH: Nice to know you are still thinking of me, G!
:-)
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FTR,
the Mormons defy Abe's 'offspring',
too.On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:53:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Slade:
"Why do..people like you attack the commandments..?"For
one thing, Slade, 'the Commandments' have
Are you trying to keep 'the commandments' literally
orspiritually?
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:38:09 -0800 Dave
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DAVEH: Nice to know you are still
thinking..
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