Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/17/2002 8:23:33 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have obviously never heard me preach. You are imagining what you think I must be preaching. Don't you understand that I have worked with sinners of all kinds, from the homosexual with aids, to

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) DaveH's explanation below is about how I would have explained it. I would only add that if the angel was previously a mortal and is doing the work of the Lord in post-mortal life, he (she) may be a spirit, as yet unresurrected, or may be a resurrected being--either. Most likely the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: The ones who ignore personal responsibility for sin, in my opinion, are those who cop-out and say that we will always sin and there is nothing that we can do about it until Jesus comes back. Glenn wrote: This very statement is why I think people are blinded to this

Re: [TruthTalk] No message--new message--new truth

2002-10-18 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) to Glenn--You sent me this blank sheet, so I assumed you wanted me it fill it in with something worthwhile. Well, I had to have SOMETHING on tt worth reading!!! (:) ***The point is that when some hear the word 'kabbalah', they automatically assume it means evil when it is not.

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) The Big Picture seems to be what is missing here. Maybe this will help. We have learned from JS--whom we believe to have had many experiences with angels--that all angels who minister to the peoples of this earth are either former or future inhabitants of this earth, with the one

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread bborrow26
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:31:19 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/17/2002 6:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, remember there are not 130 divisions in Mormonism. Nope. Christianity is not divided and Mormonism is not divided. Nope.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: interestingly, Isaiah doesn't preach this passage the way you do, David--he isn't clutching apriori to perfectionism for himself alone; he actually includes himself as a sinner among sinners in the audience Of course, and so did Peter during the first few years of his

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/17/2002 6:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, remember there are not 130 divisions in Mormonism. Nope. Christianity is not divided and Mormonism is not divided. Nope. Blainer) That's the female in you talking. (:) I am upset that Joe boy

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: I have not met anyone like you describe above. What is the difference in your perfect doctrine and the Lordship doctrine. I understand the Lordship doctrine teaches you much not only make Jesus your Savior but also be totally committed to Him as your Lord, or you won't go to

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread Dave
Michael Douglas wrote: > As for your second question...Jesus had an elevated status over >Lucifer in the pre-mortal existence as I understand. That's interesting. What gives you this idea though? DAVEH: Jesus (as Blaine pointed out in a parallel post today) was the firstborn of our Father.

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/17/2002 7:51:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) The Big Picture seems to be what is missing here. Maybe this will help. We have learned from JS--whom we believe to have had many experiences with angels--that all angels who minister to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: What happens when one of these hard sinners is saved. Is he immediately perfect? Perfect in the sense that he never sins again. I've met both types. Some immediately clean up an start a new life. Others appear that way for awhile, but stumble and have to get back up again.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread ttxpress
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:19:54 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:You have obviously never heard me preach. You are imagining... ..well, what does this sound like(?): Isaiah 64:6..is a major part of my preaching to sinners, especially to religious, self-righteous hypocrites.

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/18/2002 12:22:41 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all, I find it difficult to carry on a mutually respectful conversation with you when you refer to a man I greatly respect as "Joe Boy." I didn't mean to be disrespectful and maybe I did

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-18 Thread GJTabor
Larua, Of course it is difficult to carry on a conservation when Blainer lies about 130 Mormon divisions. Until he admits this foundational truth he has no credibility in ANYTHING he says. To deny the 130 division facts is to bring disdain upon Joe Smith and Mormonism. This is why I no longer

[TruthTalk] A false prophecy of Joseph Smith

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: I know many women who are stronger in the faith than their husbands. Blainer wrote: Yes, so do I, but that was not the case with Joseph and Emma. First, how do you know that this was not the case, and how confident are you in this statement? It seems to me that in your

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: being 'in Christ' and being Christ are two different realities: when you *are* Christ you will never sin The Bible says, We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (1Jo 5:18) I realize

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread ttxpress
ftr, 1 Jn 5, in either KJV or NIV (but in the NIV, as follows), teaches that the only perfect one is JC himself--among us humans there is no one perfect but God Evidence: 1Jn.5:16ff.: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask [God], and[God] shall give him

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection/correction, in *red*

2002-10-18 Thread ttxpress
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:52:17 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ftr, 1 Jn 5, in either KJV or NIV (but in the *[KJV]*, as follows), teaches that the only perfect one is JC himself--among us humans there is no one perfect but God Evidence: 1Jn.5:16ff.: If any man see his

Re: [TruthTalk] True or False Test

2002-10-18 Thread GJTabor
Geneva Study Bible 16:2 All the ways of a man [are] b clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits. (b) He shows by it that man flatters himself in his doings, calling that virtue, which God terms vice. A person who claims to be perfect flatters himself and is calling it

[TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-18 Thread GJTabor
Verse 48 Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. No one can say that Christ did not set a high standard for man to follow! To be perfect as God is perfect, what a challenge this is! At the outset, every candid student of the Holy Scriptures should admit and understand

[TruthTalk] Judging Motives

2002-10-18 Thread GJTabor
1Co 4:5 - [In Context|Read Chapter|Original Greek]Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, {but wait} until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of {men's} hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: This is where the NIV clears up the KJV. Actually, this is where the NIV CORRUPTS the text by adding words that do not exist in any of the manuscripts. The NIV gives heavier weight to corrupted Egyptian manuscripts that lack many of the verses contained in the majority of

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: 1Jn.5:16ff.: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask [God], and [God] shall give him life..We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. the Ap. John is

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-18 Thread David Miller
Coffman, unfortunately, is filled with unbelief when he reads this passage. Here's what John Wesley says about the passage. Mat 5:48 - Therefore ye shall be perfect; as your Father who is in heaven is perfect - So the original runs, referring to all that holiness which is described in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-18 Thread GJTabor
Right, this is proof texting. I have had my fill of proof texting with the C/C. YOU CAN TAKE ANY ONE VERSE AND MAKE IT MEAN ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO MEAN! If you stand by 1 John 1:8, you had better read it in context. I stand by 1 John 1:8 too, because it is foundational for my teaching on