Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread ttxpress
interesting eh, DavidM? On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:38:31 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||Judy Taylor wrote: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:20:45 -0800.. I don't make up things that paint God into any corner..I go to a higher authority

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
No. Thanks for the information. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006 21:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance. Lance have you attended these meetings? http://politicsofthecross.blogspot.com/ The

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Sectarians indeed, John! You've identified the real question.Yes, He is (the creator)! I thinkthat the sectarians marginalize themselves. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Sectarianism! Amen! Have you (of course you have) taken note of those who so identify others as sectarians while their group (sect) is thus reflective of a repristinated gospel. They seem themselves as 'recovering' the truth. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
I'm wondering what would motivate someone to send a msg like this to a public list Can you help me with it DavidM? It is not conversation that's for sure It is not communication either Is this written to helpencourage or instruct? What is the point in taking one line out of it's setting to

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Agreed! I to hate all the isms and all the ologies. In fact I don't see why we can not lay them aside so that we may recognize the faith once delivered to the saints and "walk in Truth" or reality. Jesus was not referring to any "Unity in diversity" in John 17.He prayed they would be One as

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'. Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David) 'transgresses the commandments of God', David. You then, David, ought to be and, likely are, warning those non-protestants within your sect concerning

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 18, 2006 23:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? JD wrote: And virtually all of my

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
As everyone here already knows, I believe God is a Trinity that is exactly why I was wondering how you would answer. Is this that difficult to answer?Who do you, believe to be God? Father Son Holy Ghost Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: For a guy who knows so much about LDS

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell? DAVEH wrote: No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to be more positive in my approach. I guess the LDS organization has not restored the church then, eh? You are not doing what the early church did.

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
I don't know what you mean,Gary. Judy is just speaking the basics of a spiritual man. I like what Judy said. I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions about the relationship between Jesus and truth. Could you comment after each of the falling statements with the word "agree" or

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him? ONCE AGAIN, I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling' Richard Lyman Bushman - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Judy, I'm scratching my head on this one. I think maybe you might understand the response better than me. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:41

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
You, David, may be DOING what the early church DID without MEANING what the early church MEANT. On this one DH may be closer to the truth than DM. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Confined by Laws of Physics

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
JT I don't make up things that paint God into any corner DAVEH: Here's the problem as I see it Could the disagreement between JT DH bebecause Judy believes God CREATED all things while Dave believes in the ORGANIZATION by PHYSICAL LAWS of preexisting matter?In contrast to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth? I seem to remember you saying quite the opposite!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'. Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David) 'transgresses the commandments of God', David. You appear to be using the word sect here rather loosely. I'm anti-sectarian, remember?

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
The vaunted Larry King once said that he asked no question of those being interviewed to which he already knew their answer. Based on your thoroughgoing knowledge of LDS theology and, to a lesser extent, Kevin himself, I'd say that this is not a practice to which you subscribe. Hm?

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist. If you define rationalist in the more esoteric sense of the idea that reason is the source of truth, then I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a rationalist. By this definition, I am not a rationalist either. However, I do believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
I have read all of these passages numerous times. Yes, I do read the Bible. Like it or not David, you are co-leader of a sectarian group. You posted a family anecdote on TT in the last week or so. What that reflected concerning 'your God' spoke volumes. If anyone should be fearful, David, I'd

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
We've been here before have we not? IFF you believe that the laws of logic to which you subscribe are those out of which God operates then, David. you deceived. What you are practicing is anthropological theology as against theological anthropology. - Original Message - From: David

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Your suggestion is a possibility if my speaking was a matter of trying to imitate the early Christians. However, I speak from my heart, from a source of love that dwells in my heart. Therefore, if my speech happens to coincide with the early believers, I know that I am walking in the same

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:38:31 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't make up things that paint God into any corner;DAVEH: Here's the problem as I see it, Judy. You seem to think God can do anything, yet he seems to do things the hard way from our perspective. jt:

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Well, perhaps I should have kept that to myself, or shared privately with a few others, but then, wouldn't that have tended toward sectarianism? At least my daughter is healed, Lance. You should be rejoicing with me, not fearing dangerous sect or cult. The difference between us on this

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:00:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like it or not David, you are co-leader of a sectarian group. Can you justify this announcement Lance by giving us a list of the various sects that comprise this group? Mormon is obvious, what are the others.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are not doing what the early church didDM brings up a great point. Since the LDS are a RESTORATION of the Early Church, why are you are not doing what the early church did?I checked the word CONFOUND and it seems to be the Spirit of God come upon the characters in the BoM etc. Yet it

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I believe God operates with logic, not against it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I don't expect you to be able to understand at this point, but you should know

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David could 'justify' this truth better than I, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:00:09

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
This stuff looks like it is right down your alley and in your nieghborhood! Are you a 21st Century Friend? Do you also believe in the Emergant Church? Are these guys nothing more than there "Politically" active RC Fathers? Are they trying to bring in the Kingdom and establish their own brand

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
I DID discuss it with you off the list but, you did not respond, David. What we (most believers) have here is a failure to communicate with you (your sect). You cite Heb 11 as if it amounted to 'case closed'. When I wrote you privately David, I mentioned Hobart Freeman. Please look at his

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
What truth do you refer toLance? Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group because he encourages his daughter to believe God to speed healing of herwrist and relieve the pain? or Because there are many religious sects on this TT list? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:13:20 -0500 "Lance Muir"

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Of course! I'm hoping to be appointed King. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance. This stuff looks like it is right down your alley and in your nieghborhood!

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Kevin, we are not supposed to be talking about anything to do with "torrance" Lance has made him off-limits But your list below does include what Lance and friends seem to hold dear Community, relationship, a dancing trinity - all that... I don't understand his reticence re the relational or

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly (I don't expect you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on this last post') IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie,

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
No! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM What truth do you refer toLance? Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group

[TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
David and Lance, why would you have the most interesting discussions off the list? Do you think the rest of us are too immature or not up to your level? I'm aware of E.W. Kenyon and Hobart Freeman, New Thought and on and on These are not sects per se even if these men did get off into

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
As to the former, I agree. As to the latter, that's what I'm suggesting to David but, he seems not to want engagement at that level. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:31 Subject: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
What is so difficult about a simple question? Are you attempting to imply that his religion is secretive?What do you mean EMARASS him are you Embarassed by your understanding of his theology?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already

[TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who is not permitted to speak about torrance; seems to beOK for Lance and those he approves/respects ... you may not be on the "forbidden" list?From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David.

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Nuff said. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God? What is so difficult about a simple question? Are you attempting to imply that his religion is secretive?

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was akin to Kevin stating that DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he (Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being identified with Reformed theology and John Calvin when you personallyinform the list as follows and torrance quotes these doctrines in his own writings? Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
George Burns used to close his act with his wife Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie Allen would reply, 'Goodnight Gracie' As to your homework on various topics along with your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and better. Many meanings elude you but,

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Only we are not talking about me Lance The subject is you and your mentor. If you know something that eludes me - then lay it out. Also you need to tell DavidM and I what nonexistent promise we lay claim to. The above is your duty as a professing believer who sees a brother/sister in a fault

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
I did not believe the former to have been the case, David. As to the latter, not unlike Judy, I've always thought you spoke from the heart. I also believe that you both believe that you 'know'. However..I needn't remind you, by name, of the host of persons over the centuries who

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
Repetition, thy name is ...well Judywell David! Even David, your 'knowing' colleague in all of his lucidity could not make known to you some things. That was my point, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
And who is the 'knowing' colleague Lance? George Burns and Gracie Allen? Please speak with lucidity and give up the riddles. What is the nonexistent promise? You can at least tell us that much On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Repetition, thy name

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Since when has truth been evaluated by how many have in the past gotten of the track and fallen? As sad as that may be every one will stand or fall before his own Master. On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:34:49 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did not believe the former to have been

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
It hasn't Judy but, untruth has. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 09:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM Since when has truth been evaluated by how many

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
The 'knowing colleague' to whom I made reference was David Miller. You and he seem to believe that the two of you apprehend the Scriptures in a way that I, along with others over the years on TT, simply don't believe. IMO, you and he believe that you've been promised that such,

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
So let's just throw it all out since noone can know what is true and what is not anyway? I can see where you get this idea since your mentor writes: Justification means that at every point in our theological inquiry we have to let our knowledge, our theology, our formulations, our

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
You are wrong then; I have been misguided in the past and I have testified of it openly on TT. We are warned all over the scriptures about false prophets and false teachers However, when he rose Christ gave gifts to the Church. We also have His Word so there is no excuse for staying in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread ttxpress
myth (as alluded to,somethoughtful readersmaywanna explore the relationship betw jt's notions:'truth is JC' is 'Jesus wasting [her] time'in pursuitof truth--how about you, Bro?) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:35 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || 1. Jesus said, "I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread ttxpress
i know so which of the three utterances do you like most, 1., 2. or 3.? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:35 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like what Judy said. --- for ref: - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread ttxpress
..or is it #4? (take all the time in the world, Bro,esp if youreally most likeher notion thatJC himselfwasted his) On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:38:31 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||Judy Taylor wrote: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:20:45 -0800.. I don't make up

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
All out of context, just a mumbo, jumbo of words but I guess it makes no difference when one is way out there On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:09:06 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i know so which of the three utterances do you like most, 1., 2. or 3.? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:26:35

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread ttxpress
..actually, on #4, DaveH may lean a little toward it himself ..but what do you think,like, couldhe jt be onto somethingbetter than wastingtime with JC? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:29:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..or is it #4? (take all the time in the world, Bro,esp if

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Dave
I was wondering how you would answer. DAVEH: Thank you for your below succinct answer, Kevin. I will reciprocate. Contrasted to the man-made doctrine of the Trinity, I believe in the Biblical version of the Godhead where each person (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) of the Godhead is referred

Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread Dave
jt: It was necessaryif mankind were to be redeemed eternally because without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. DAVEH: ??? Jesus could not forgive sin without shedding of blood? Is that what you believe? if we were privy to the Jewish sacrificial system we would understand

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Dave
The tables have been turned! The SP's call the LDS shudder! DAVEH: Perhaps you are right, Kevin. I know I don't have much fight in me at the moment. Perhaps the modern LDS people just aren't conditioned to be contentious, which would explain why some would rather avoid the SPers rather than

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
One smiles! Hokey Smokey, Dave! You'd be so bold as to contrast man-made vs Biblical when, granted IFF your first 'prophet' wasn't a prophet then, your whole system/foundation/restored version is man-made. PS:Do YOU know of anyone who has read that new biography on Joseph Smith? 'Joseph

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
A 'posture' from which a 'blithering idiot' like myself might learn. - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 12:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS The tables have been turned! The SP's call the LDS

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Lance, I don't know what you are talking about. We do have a failure to communicate here. 1. Heb. 11 isn't meant to be case closed, just helpful. 2. I don't know who Hobart Freeman is, or his legacy. 3. I am familiar a little with E.W. Kenyon. No, I am not one of his offspring. 4.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
What this reminds me of is when the Pharisees complained about Jesus healing on the Sabbath. My daughter is healed now, and she is happy, I'm happy, my wife is happy, everybody is happy except for these 3 people who came together and talked about how disturbing my post to TT was about it.

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Judy quotes a mentor of Lance: Out of sheer respect for the majesty of the Truth as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures, we have to do our utmost to speak correctly and exactly about it -that is the meaning of orthodoxy and the way of humility-but when we have done all this, we have still

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
I see no conflict. -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy quotes a mentor of Lance: Out of sheer respect for the majesty of the Truth as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures, we have to do our utmost to speak correctly and exactly

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
Dean is anti- charismatic. He would challenge most of your theology as relates to faith and healing. No surprise. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What this reminds me of is when the Pharisees complained about Jesus healing on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is no thing as a NON SECTARIAN unless you meana Unitarian who has no beliefsDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'. Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David) 'transgresses the

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sorry position is filled.As far as that crowd Reformed (RC) to the core. They are right all other clods have it wrong.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course! I'm hoping to be appointed King.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Nice theory but just a fable as Kevin never has stated any such thing! Maybe you do not understand all you think you do. The mind can be a funny thing. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was akin to Kevin stating that DH believes in

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
So if TFT only held to say 75% of calvinism that makes him non REFORMED? Lets just call him the continuosly reformed reformer OK? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being identified with Reformed theology and John Calvin when you

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks DH Since Jesus is called the FULLNESS of the Godhead Bodily how does that fit into your theology?I read your reply. I am not trying to mock here but...You say the Trinity is confusing? You left the question unanswered in my mind. Is there one God or Three?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
But Jesus did not have a command as in DC 71 COMMANDING him to confound. Why all the verses on confounding when to all observers it would seem that it is in reality the LDS who are confounded? Seems the LDS god has called and none have answered. Men women or children. On paper in 1Nep 17 LDS

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Dave
Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? DAVEH: You certainly seem to know a lot about it, Kevin. However, it is obvious that you don't understand it. Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you agree with Lance DH? Do I know LDS theology as well as you do? Or is Lance putting words in your mouth?

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Dave
I'd recommend the book 'Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling DAVEH: Have you read it, Lance? Lance Muir wrote: As DH has acknowledged and, 'everyone here already knows', you know the teachings of his sect as well or better than he does. Are you attempting to teach or embarrass him?

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where are the valiant ones like in Helaman? LDS don't have even one that believes thier gods words inDC 71?No one believes the promise of DC 71? there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; 10And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confoundedI lift my voice

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Riddle me this one Batman!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 'posture' from which a 'blithering idiot' like myself might learn.- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 12:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have one.That is hard to understand and hard to comprehend too. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I know

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is God?

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
I understand your reluctance todefend the mormon faith!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You are right about that! I do have a hard time understanding how you have THREE gods but you tell me you really have one. Take that back you have an INFINITE nuber of gods but you say you have

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
Unitarians, of course, have beliefs. Here is a definition of sectarian that allows many to escape the curse of "Sectarian !!" Sectarianism refers (usually pejoratively) to a rigid adherence to a particular sect or party or denomination. It often implies discrimination, denunciation, or

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
OH like Paul For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Unitarians, of course, have beliefs.Here is a definition of sectarian that allows many to

Re: [TruthTalk] DOGMAtism

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Did I miss your response Lance?Do you think that you could change the mind of one who might fit the description of Acts 15:26? Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.Would you say that men that put their own lives in hazard are not somewhat DOGMATIC?

Re: [TruthTalk] Sectarianism defined

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
Actually, when sectarians become angry, which is most of the time, they call others "sectarian" just to complicate things. One cannot read Romans 14 and come away believing that Pual was "secatarian." Further, his role in revealing the mystery of the gospel, that Jews were not the only ones in

Re: [TruthTalk] Sectarianism defined

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Then there are a lot more sectarians out there they even they(sectarians) know themselves.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Actually, when sectarians become angry, which is most of the time, they call others "sectarian" just to complicate things. One cannot read Romans 14 and come away believing that

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: FW: Canadian Press on Bush

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
George Bush, the man. David Warren. The Ottawa Citizen Sunday, September 11, 2005There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I believe God operates with logic,--- dm Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect you

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
A discussion between DM and apracticing scientist would be most interesting !! jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] As to the former, I agree. As to the latter, that's what I'm suggesting to David but, he seems not to want engagement at

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
You might plead lack of intelligence or that the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist or any number of things, but it is quite simple and true that if you do not keep the commandments, you are not in Christ. Here is the reason that you and I cannot understand one another concerning the

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance and logic

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
David , in other posts of the day, I find you saying that yoou and Torrance are in agreement concerninglogic. I may ahve misunderstood your wording, but that was what you said according to my perspective. Below you say this: If you define "rationalist" in the more esoteric sense of the idea

Re: [TruthTalk] Polytheist Pope

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2006-03/17/article03.shtml Pope Calls on Religious Leaders to Come Together "Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the one God, creator of heaven and earth. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
A noun is a noun irrespective of the race, creed or culture of the interpreter!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'knowing colleague' to whom I made reference was David Miller. You and he seem to believe that the two of you apprehend the Scriptures in a way that I, along with others

Re: [TruthTalk] torrance and logic

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Rationalist : Human reason experience is the Origin of Truth instead of the God of the Bible. Unwittingly making man the judge of God instead of God the judge of man.Thus the difference between Deductive vs Inductive"reasoning" as a method for Theology. Christian Thelogy comes from "Above"

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Funny all you focus on is the (in your imagination) money, while in fact money has nothing to do with anything. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;

RE: [TruthTalk] torrance

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
No, he prefers to put up with your insults this week. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance

RE: [TruthTalk] torrance.

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just wondering; does anyone know if this John Knox is the same one who in the early 1700s apparently won Alexander Hamilton to Christ when he was a teenager in the West Indies? izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Saturday,

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
What is the positive message about hell? iz Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell? DAVEH: No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to be more positive in my approach.

RE: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Random acts of insanity. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:41 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance and cohorts, please stop referring to David Miller's sect. Can you identify or name any such sect? Why do you insist on such arrogant insults? David please close this snakepit. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent:

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
The problem with you, Lance, is that you live an insular life; thinking that others who don't agree with you don't get out enough. My husband is a medical doctor and research scientist who believes exactly as DM does, and he knows many others who believe as he does. Stop being so narrow minded

RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
So do I. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:28 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? Demonstrate that you and

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