Re: [TV orNotTV] This week's J! test

2016-10-15 Thread 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
Pidge's take on Alex has changed. 

Before the show aired, her memory of it was that she tanked early and the 
eventual winner ran away with it. She didn't even mention the Nerdcore 
thing (she claimed to have few memories of it). 

Once it aired, her impressions changed, especially when she saw how she'd 
done much better than she remembered. 

Seeing it, her initial reaction was that there wasn't much there; she's 
more lately characterized Alex as a dick. (My own impression on the show 
was that he seemed to like me, but when asked a question he hadn't heard a 
million times or was something he was interested in, he was quite charming. 
When asked about something he's been asked about a million time, he was, 
indeed, a dick.)

--Dave Sikula

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, PGage wrote:
>
> I also would like to know how Pidge though it played in the room; I know 
> some people who are getting rather bothered by it, which I kind of found 
> surprising.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Bob Jersey  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Diner, to PGage, Diner, Jim Ellwanger, and Dave Sikula, in part:
>>>
>>> BTW, Alex is drawing some flak for a rather innocent joke he made to the 
>>> contestant who ended up besting Pidge:
>>> (Philly newspapers link) 
>>> 
>>> Well, it made me laugh. Maybe not the greatest joke in the world, but at 
>>> least Alex has a sense of humor, which is more than I can say for the 
>>> people responding to him...
>>>
>>>
>>> I couldn't tell (for the poster of the clip's own guffawing) how the 
>> audience reacted, but it didn't seem like much.
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
Deepest condolences and sympathies, Bob.

--Dave Sikula

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 7:32:36 AM UTC-7, Bob Jersey wrote:
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>
> Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off 
> our kitchen. 83.
>
> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: I noticed something about the LDS...

2016-10-15 Thread daniel anderson 
It happens with college football too: Today, ABC had to start the 
Nebraska-Indiana game on ESPN2 and the North Carolina-Miami game on ESPNU 
because the NC State-Clemson game went into OT. 
With the NFL, the networks are required to show the home team's game in its 
entirety. However they can stick with a late-running game elsewhere- and 
i've seen both FOX and CBS give a overtime finish priority  over the start 
of the second game-  CBS gave Cleveland at Miami priority a few weeks ago 
over the start of Pittsburgh at Philadelphia, and FOX did the same thing 
with the Oakland at New Orleans game in the first week over New York Giants 
at Dallas.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:43:46 PM UTC-4, daniel anderson wrote:
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> FOX has been using MLB Network when the first game runs late to cover the 
> second game(FOX announcers and graphics) once the frist game is over, they 
> move the second game to FS1 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Kim's Convenience

2016-10-15 Thread Tom Wolper 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> CBC has been pumping up the promo's for their latest sitcom - Kim's
> Convenience.  It's about a Korean family that runs a convenience store in
> Toronto.  They were supposed to air the pilot on Sunday, but rescheduled
> due to the Blue Jay's ball game (not the debate).
>
> I just watched it and LOL'd a few times.   I asked my 20-yr old daughter
> to watch and after the first 10 mins she said "I don't find this as funny
> as you do" and then went to another room.
>
> If you can find the pilot online, I suggest you watch it.  There is a
> reference to Anderson Cooper.The main thing I was thinking while
> watching it was "oh there's so many of the trump-states that would not like
> this".
>

I downloaded and watched the pilot. It's tough to review a sitcom pilot
because they have to introduce all the main characters and define their
relationships while setting a tone for the series. I thought they did a
decent job of covering all that business. I also think they succeeded in
the setup: having the main family be Korean and making them comprehensible
and sympathetic to a diverse (and mostly white) audience.

I had one big problem with a character and that was the manager of the car
rental agency. Maybe she is there to be a comic foil or maybe her character
will evolve in later episodes but her basic insecurity and lack of
authority as a manager irritated me.

The other issue I had might relate to your daughter's reaction. I'm 56 and
when in conversation with educated young adults it becomes obvious that
their viewpoints are based on different core assumptions than mine are.
Just as they are digital natives, they are also diversity natives and they
have a comfort level with gender and orientation diversity as well as
immigrants from other cultures. I think the show tried to base its comedy
on tensions built around the gay community and the Asian immigrant
experience and those tensions are absent to the younger generation. So the
jokes don't have a strong payoff.

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Brad Beam 
Peace and love to your family at this time of change.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread JW 
Bob,

I just got the digest, and I'd like to add my condolences.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Tom Wolper 
I'm sorry for your loss, Bob. Losing both parents in a relatively short
time is very difficult.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rules On Misleading Drug Ads

2016-10-15 Thread Tom Wolper 
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:07 PM, PGage  wrote:

> The US allowed direct advertising to consumers during the Clinton
> administration (hopefully we will have to start referring to that with some
> more specifies soon).


I'm sure we will adapt the Bush precedent and refer to Clinton 42 and
Clinton 45.


> While the increased competition may have led to lower prices ( think this
> is debatable, because it has also fueled the development of more products
> which are just different enough to start the patent clock over, which keeps
> prices high), it has also led to a dramatic increase in the number of
> prescriptions that are written in the US. Some of this of course is
> probably good, and gets needed illness and symptom relief to those in need.
> But part of it is very bad, both resulting in over medication, and a
> significant drain on limited health care dollars.
>
> My interest in this has long been from the POV of psychoactive
> drugs; Xanax, Prozac and Viagra (and the cousins of each of these) have all
> been huge drivers of direct to consumer advertising. It is hard to tell who
> would win in an overall social asshole competition, but Big Pharma is neck
> and neck with oil and financial companies.
>
> I am not optimistic that a Preisdent H Clinton will be inclined exorcize
> this particular demon, but I would at least like to see renewed attention
> to common sense regulation of the practice. This is why the Invokana ad got
> my attention. Off-label prescription is a huge source of Pharma profits,
> and is driven in part by off label, direct to consumer advertising. This is
> an area where we can still crack down. It seems to me the Invokana ad is in
> violation of what should be current regulation, but maybe the current regs
> have large enough loopholes to let it through.
>

Nothing can replace Big Pharma in their scale and amount of advertising. If
the FTC or public pressure were to cause Big Pharma to cut back on their ad
buys network television would be in big trouble and so their media
companies will always be on Pharma' side.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] In hosting news

2016-10-15 Thread Mark Jeffries 
It has to depend on whether the station feels they have to (like if they
promised an underwriter that they would get a plug on every break), but I
believe WBEZ in Chicago has never used the break, partially because they're
on automation on Saturdays at 5 p.m. and the automation can't leave the
network on in the background, which is about the only way doing the
Powdermilk break would work.  I can't imagine rolling a promo that's two
seconds longer than what the screen says it is (that's label on the cart in
the old days of radio before the AudioVault) and then potting back up on
"...tried 'em, Powdermilk!", followed by, hopefully with the mike turned
off, the board-op/announcer saying "oh shit."  If it's stuff they have to
run like underwriting announcements or it's a pledge drive, I would
understand, but if it was an announcer just doing a "coming up tonight here
on public radio..." reading of the schedule for the rest of the night, I'd
be pissed.  I'd be curious how many stations that run "PHC" do take
advantage of the hidden station break.

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On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Diner  wrote:

> WHYY Philadelphia has never had an announcer cut in during the Powdermilk
> theme - they've always played the song all the way through, going back to
> when they first started carrying PHC over thirty years ago.
> The first time I listened on WNYC and heard an announcer talk over the
> music, I was really shocked at how crass it sounded. I had no idea at the
> time that it was normal behavior.
> -Tim
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>> And John Hodgman next week.
>>
>> Thile has only thirteen new shows to prove himself, although I assume
>> they'll be spread out.  There'll probably be a Kellior rerun within the
>> next few weeks.  And since the "sponsors" are the same familiar ones from
>> all these years, one wonders if "Manuel Transmission" (Kellior's most
>> recent pseudonym for himself as a writer) will still be heard in the
>> credits.  I would also expect that the Powdermilk Biscuits jingle will
>> still be heard in the first hour as the secret station break (Kellior would
>> not agree to what has become the standard breaks at :20 and :40 on most
>> public radio shows for mostly promos and underwriting announcements--so
>> standard that even Amy Goodman does it--sort of--so as a compromise in the
>> first hour what will now be Thile saying "Powdermilk Biscuits, heavens
>> they're tasty and expeditious!" is the cue for stations who choose to do so
>> to run their break, preferably with just an announcer talking over the band
>> playing the Powdermilk jingle--and Thile will start singing the jingle at
>> exactly one minute from the band starting to play, so the station announcer
>> better hit the post--on other shows, the break is 90 seconds to 2 minutes).
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> Saints Spotlight Editor
>> spotl...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:42 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Harry Connick Jr will host the third hour of today on the 17th and 18th
>>> (the Variety link says just Monday, but an email I received from Connick's
>>> fan club says both days).  Not sure if this is still technically subbing
>>> for Billy Bush or not.
>>>
>>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/harry-connick-today-billy-
>>> bush-1201889493/
>>>
>>> Already saying I'm a fan of Connick, take my thumbs up of his daytime
>>> talk show with the appropriate amount of salt.  The Stangels from
>>> Letterman's Late Show are co-executive producers, but there are plenty of
>>> daytime-style talk segments.
>>>
>>> Tomorrow (15th) marks the first Prairie Home Companion with Chris Thile
>>> as host.  The lineup (see link) is consistent with the shows that Thile has
>>> served as guest host.  Plenty of people who have been on with Garrison,
>>> with a few additions aimed at younger listeners (really anyone under 60).
>>> Thile will play an original song, there will be a comedian, and most of the
>>> supporting cast from Keillor's crew remain with the show.
>>>
>>> https://www.prairiehome.org/shows/52949
>>>
>>> David
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Bob Jersey 

Thanks for all your responses. As with the earlier threads, "more to come."

B
 

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[TV orNotTV] Bad weekend at Black Rock

2016-10-15 Thread Bob Jersey 

The power-company substation serving the iconic 51 W. 52 St. building long 
associated with CBS is out of commission due to an internal fire. Employees 
of the corp's headquarters and other tenants including brokerage giant 
Charles Schwab are relocated for the duration.

"524," the network's ops center a few blocks away, chugs on as usual.

Variety 

 
(link)

B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Kevin M. 
Bob, my heart goes out to you. I do want to thank you for sharing the
goings on of your dad, as it is a reality of life that doesn't get
discussed. Take care of yourself as you adjust over the next few months.

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> PGage, to moi:
>>
>> Bob, like other long time members here I am hit by this news, and so
>> sorry for your loss.
>>
>> I have been wondering in recent months as you have been sharing his
>> declining condition what the impact would be on you if you were the one to
>> find him. How are you doing? Do you have someone who can be with you?
>>
>> I've long suspected something might be afoot with Allen*, which is only
> being reinforced by the fact that he hasn't shown up to the house yet
> today; then again, he may be in too deep of his own emotional stew to want
> to do much of significance yet, and anyhow enough of those things won't get
> done till certain places open up Monday.
>
> *I can now refer to my brothers without guilt as Allen (#1), Dave (#2) and
> Chris (#3), given other posters freely drop names of their relatives here
> similarly.
>
> Still, I don't expect to be in any type of "hot water"... Dad's sitch is
> something everyone concerned with it knew about to one extent or another,
> including the advance directive (DNR). What I hope to happen is that Allen
> (since his postal mail comes here anyway, at least) eventually moves back
> in to continue to do what he's able to, but that's still his call.
>
> I've taken things very well so far, and obviously can now go out anywhere
> if I get bored... Dad hasn't left behind much that isn't transferable to
> us. Still, real soon, before the end of the year, I'll have to come up with
> a future plan, 'cause my personal health, while not insignificant, isn't as
> impacted as severely as dad's was.
>
> I have ideas about what I want to do and what direction to take, but
> exactly who's going to be involved in developing those ideas hasn't been
> thrashed-out yet.
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Bob Jersey 

PGage, to moi:
>
> Bob, like other long time members here I am hit by this news, and so sorry 
> for your loss. 
>
> I have been wondering in recent months as you have been sharing his 
> declining condition what the impact would be on you if you were the one to 
> find him. How are you doing? Do you have someone who can be with you?
>
> I've long suspected something might be afoot with Allen*, which is only 
being reinforced by the fact that he hasn't shown up to the house yet 
today; then again, he may be in too deep of his own emotional stew to want 
to do much of significance yet, and anyhow enough of those things won't get 
done till certain places open up Monday.

*I can now refer to my brothers without guilt as Allen (#1), Dave (#2) and 
Chris (#3), given other posters freely drop names of their relatives here 
similarly.

Still, I don't expect to be in any type of "hot water"... Dad's sitch is 
something everyone concerned with it knew about to one extent or another, 
including the advance directive (DNR). What I hope to happen is that Allen 
(since his postal mail comes here anyway, at least) eventually moves back 
in to continue to do what he's able to, but that's still his call.

I've taken things very well so far, and obviously can now go out anywhere 
if I get bored... Dad hasn't left behind much that isn't transferable to 
us. Still, real soon, before the end of the year, I'll have to come up with 
a future plan, 'cause my personal health, while not insignificant, isn't as 
impacted as severely as dad's was.

I have ideas about what I want to do and what direction to take, but 
exactly who's going to be involved in developing those ideas hasn't been 
thrashed-out yet.

B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread PGage 
Bob, like other long time members here I am hit by this news, and so sorry
for your loss.

I have been wondering in recent months as you have been sharing his
declining condition what the impact would be on you if you were the one to
find him. How are you doing? Do you have someone who can be with you?

On Saturday, 15 October 2016, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off
> our kitchen. 83.
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
My condolences, Bob.  Best wishes to you and your family.
David

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Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off our 
kitchen. 83.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] In hosting news

2016-10-15 Thread Diner 
WHYY Philadelphia has never had an announcer cut in during the Powdermilk 
theme - they've always played the song all the way through, going back to 
when they first started carrying PHC over thirty years ago.
The first time I listened on WNYC and heard an announcer talk over the 
music, I was really shocked at how crass it sounded. I had no idea at the 
time that it was normal behavior.
-Tim

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 7:29:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
> And John Hodgman next week.
>
> Thile has only thirteen new shows to prove himself, although I assume 
> they'll be spread out.  There'll probably be a Kellior rerun within the 
> next few weeks.  And since the "sponsors" are the same familiar ones from 
> all these years, one wonders if "Manuel Transmission" (Kellior's most 
> recent pseudonym for himself as a writer) will still be heard in the 
> credits.  I would also expect that the Powdermilk Biscuits jingle will 
> still be heard in the first hour as the secret station break (Kellior would 
> not agree to what has become the standard breaks at :20 and :40 on most 
> public radio shows for mostly promos and underwriting announcements--so 
> standard that even Amy Goodman does it--sort of--so as a compromise in the 
> first hour what will now be Thile saying "Powdermilk Biscuits, heavens 
> they're tasty and expeditious!" is the cue for stations who choose to do so 
> to run their break, preferably with just an announcer talking over the band 
> playing the Powdermilk jingle--and Thile will start singing the jingle at 
> exactly one minute from the band starting to play, so the station announcer 
> better hit the post--on other shows, the break is 90 seconds to 2 minutes).
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
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> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:42 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Harry Connick Jr will host the third hour of today on the 17th and 18th 
>> (the Variety link says just Monday, but an email I received from Connick's 
>> fan club says both days).  Not sure if this is still technically subbing 
>> for Billy Bush or not.
>>
>> http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/harry-connick-today-billy-bush-1201889493/
>>
>> Already saying I'm a fan of Connick, take my thumbs up of his daytime 
>> talk show with the appropriate amount of salt.  The Stangels from 
>> Letterman's Late Show are co-executive producers, but there are plenty of 
>> daytime-style talk segments.
>>
>> Tomorrow (15th) marks the first Prairie Home Companion with Chris Thile 
>> as host.  The lineup (see link) is consistent with the shows that Thile has 
>> served as guest host.  Plenty of people who have been on with Garrison, 
>> with a few additions aimed at younger listeners (really anyone under 60).  
>> Thile will play an original song, there will be a comedian, and most of the 
>> supporting cast from Keillor's crew remain with the show.
>>
>> https://www.prairiehome.org/shows/52949
>>
>> David
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[TV orNotTV] Re: OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Diner 
So, so sorry for you, Bob.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rules On Misleading Drug Ads

2016-10-15 Thread Jim Ellwanger 

> On Oct 15, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Melissa P  wrote:
> 
> I think I was in graduate school just about the time advertising barriers 
> were coming down.  A lot a people don't remember, but years ago, advertising 
> goods and services such as eyeglasses, lawyers, prescription drugs, and even 
> funerals wasn't permitted.

One thing I've been thinking about while watching the baseball playoffs is the 
fact that there used to be no TV advertising for hard liquor -- not due to FTC 
or other national government regulations, but because the 
manufacturers/distributors had agreed to it through their industry association. 
That voluntary ban ended 20 years ago: 
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/08/business/liquor-industry-ends-its-ad-ban-in-broadcasting.html

(The broadcast networks still don't accept hard liquor ads -- although some of 
their affiliates do -- but the baseball playoffs, being on cable up until the 
World Series, are rife with liquor commercials, mostly bourbon.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Adam Bowie 
My deepest condolences Bob.

On 15 Oct 2016 16:58, "Jay Lewis"  wrote:

> Very sorry to hear, Bob. Best wishes to you & your family.
>
> On 10/15/2016 12:15 PM, Doug Eastick wrote:
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> My condolences Bob. Damn.
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 11:10 AM John Edwards  wrote:
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>> I'm sorry to hear that, Bob. My condolences to you and your family.
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
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>> My condolences Bob
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2016 9:39 AM, "Melissa P"  wrote:
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>> Oh, Bob.  I am so sorry.  Through your posts, I felt like I knew him.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Bob Jersey
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:33 AM
>> *To:* TVorNotTV
>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone
>>
>>
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>>
>> Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off
>> our kitchen. 83.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Doug Eastick 
My condolences Bob. Damn.

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> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
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> My condolences Bob
>
> On Oct 15, 2016 9:39 AM, "Melissa P"  wrote:
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> Oh, Bob.  I am so sorry.  Through your posts, I felt like I knew him.
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Bob Jersey
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>
>
> Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off
> our kitchen. 83.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread John Edwards 
I'm sorry to hear that, Bob. My condolences to you and your family.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
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>
> On Oct 15, 2016 9:39 AM, "Melissa P"  wrote:
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>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Mark Jeffries 
My condolences Bob

On Oct 15, 2016 9:39 AM, "Melissa P"  wrote:

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Ben Scripps 
My deepest sympathies to you and your family, Bob.

> On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Bob Jersey  wrote:
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> Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off our 
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[TV orNotTV] OT: My dad is gone

2016-10-15 Thread Bob Jersey 

Found him this morning collapsed on the floor going into the bathroom off 
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