[TV orNotTV] The Duke leaves "Miss Scarlet and the Duke"

[Diner]

Well, this is a disappointing turn of events on one of the few series I 
actually watch. 

Miss Scarlet on her own can be a little hard to take, but what has made the 
show work was the way she interacted with everyone else. But first Moses 
disappeared at the beginning of season 4 (I think they only mentioned his 
absence in one line - shades of Susan Saint James' departure from "McMillan 
and Wife"). Then season 4 ended with Nash in jail and Eliza back to working 
on her own. And now she will have no Duke for her to play off of. 

So now Eliza has no romantic partner, no work partner, and no easy way to 
investigate cases unless they introduce a whole new supporting cast... 
what's the point of continuing the series?

https://deadline.com/2024/02/miss-scarlet-and-the-duke-will-continue-without-duke-masterpiece-1235841918/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Super Bowl Ratings

[Diner]

And the layoffs include 20 at CBS News, notably reporters Catherine 
Herridge (national security) and Jeff Pegues (justice).
https://deadline.com/2024/02/cbs-news-layoffs-catherine-herridge-1235824772/


On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 5:44:11 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:

> Apparently ratings success equals mass-layoffs at Paramount 
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/13/paramount-global-lays-off-about-800-employees-after-super-bowl.html
>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 7:10 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> For two years, the networks disavowed the ratings system. Then when 
>> people called on the streamers to open their data up to verify the numbers 
>> they were dependently releasing, suddenly the ratings system was fine 
>> again. 
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, no studio or streamer is allowing any 
>> independent verification of the numbers they are releasing. So we are 
>> taking Paramount’s word, even though they have every reason to lie and 
>> inflate their numbers.
>>
>> I believe it was a highly rated tv event. I just don’t accept the lack of 
>> data used to manufacture the specific numbers. 
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 7:03 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're being unfair Kevin. This is certainly the most accurate 
>>> count of any large sporting event ever. Far more accurate than figures for 
>>> things like the finale of MASH or the 1969 moon landings.
>>>
>>> Any global number I would, however, take with a pinch of salt. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 2:51 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
 The vagueness of people’s responses to my initial comment emphasizes my 
 point. 

 Kevin M. (RPCV)


 On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 6:37 AM PGage  wrote:

> Well, it has never been true that they count every single person 
> watching a program, but the observation was made in several sites last 
> night that they have probably never had a more accurate estimate of SB 
> viewers than they did this year. They now estimate viewers in public 
> venues 
> and those who streamed and a separate count for those who only watched 
> part 
> of it. Indeed, for comps purposes that is a drawback, as the claim this 
> year had the most viewers ever is undermined by the possibility they just 
> counted more of the viewers than ever. And of course, there are a lot 
> more 
> people in the country and the world than 10 and 20 years ago, so it is 
> also 
> probably true that more people than ever did not watch the Super Bowl.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 7:34 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> What verifiable data is being supplied to or by Nielsen to support 
>> these numbers? I feel like the networks and streamers distrust ratings 
>> unless the numbers serve them. And I’ve not seen evidence that streaming 
>> services are sharing user data needed to accurately report ratings.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 7:31 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> Puck News’ Matt Belloni predicted  123.1M - pretty close to reported 
>>> 123.4.
>>>
>>> It was a fabulous game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Catching up with Joanna Lumley

[Diner]

She once gave me a hug. She's swell.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 5:05:02 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:

> About to wrap up the Netflix limited, *Fool Me Once*... not spoiling, but 
> writer Marc Malkin does get in an AbFab question...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/columns/fool-me-once-joanna-lumley-netflix-1235891185/
>  (link)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Diner]

I've watched three episodes so far: episode 1 (because it was the 
premiere), episode 2 (for Paul F. Tompkins), and episode 4 (for Milana 
Vayntrub).

And it was a real ordeal. I got tired of the hyped-up energy about 15 
minutes into the premiere, and I'm not sure how I made it through 3 
episodes. Tompkins and Vayntrub, as much as I like them, didn't do 
themselves or the show any favors.

Tomlinson wasn't horrible, and I'm sure she'll get better. But she mostly 
made me think "What would Hollywood Squares have been like if Peter 
Marshall did a big fake laugh for every single joke?" She's likable, but 
she's working really, really hard to be likable, and the effort is obvious.

There were two moments on episode 4 that stood out for me. One was a joke 
Tomlinson made along the lines of "We're only here because CBS wants young 
eyeballs." Which is true, of course, and reminded me that maybe the reason 
I'm not crazy about this show is that this show isn't made for me.

The other was the best moment on the episode: when comic Kelsey Cook told a 
story about how she and Tomlinson once attended a male strip show together 
and Tomlinson got freaked out. And she was clearly uncomfortable hearing 
the story again. It was the best part of the show, but it had nothing to do 
with the game - it was basically a talk show story that would have worked 
equally well on any of the other late night network shows. It was the one 
moment when Tomlinson's true personality broke through. I hope there are 
more moments like this.

As Dave said, if I watch again, it'll be because of the guests. And as Tom 
said, I'll check back in a few months to see how it evolves.


On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-5 PGage wrote:

> Her ratings are about 66% of Cordon’s in his last year (maybe around 75% 
> when DVR is included. She makes 50% of Cordon’s $6 Million salary, so maybe 
> CBS is doing better on net cost. I am surprised they are paying her that 
> much though, which makes me think they are expecting her to do better in 
> three months, and that she would become a hotter property down the road and 
> be cheap at $3 Million.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 7:11 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> The follow up question is not, “why isn’t this show doing better?” It’s 
>> “what could CBS possibly put on in this time slot that would do better?”
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:56 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> The ratings are… unremarkable 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/after-midnight-premiere-week-ratings-cbs-1235806088/amp/
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 1:00 PM Adam Bowie  
>>> wrote:
>>>

 On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 8:06 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The charm of the past and current generation of late night hosts is 
> their acknowledgment of when a joke or bit doesn’t work. Dave was a 
> master 
> of it, bringing the audience into his own discomfort. Seth gleefully 
> throws 
> a writer under the bus when a monologue joke falls flat. My big problem 
> with After Midnight is every joke gets a huge laugh and earns points 
> whether or not it’s actually funny.
>
>
 I think that's why you have to edit ruthlessly on this type of show. I 
 don't think it's a problem that in the final show, most jokes do, rather 
 than don't work. But you should lose a good 50% of what you record. And 
 I'm 
 just not sure you can do that successfully if you're recording only a few 
 hours before broadcast. Of course, if you're smart, you can lean into 
 things that don't work. Reference the fact that nobody in the audience 
 gets 
 it.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CW unveils new branding

[Diner]

My DVR was set to record new episodes of "Whose Line," but when the current 
run of episodes started in November, I noticed it wasn't working anymore. I 
soon discovered that was because CW had changed its affiliation from WPSG 
to WPHL, and my DVR was set to record only from the old station.


On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:35:49 PM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:

> Correct, WPHL is owned by Nexstar, so it was natural that the affiliation 
> would move over there.
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:17 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>
> With the end of the Arrowverse, I think the only thing left that I watch 
> regularly on The CW is "Whose Line...?", but even that'll be going away 
> soon.  And come to think of it, I'm not even sure where the CW affiliation 
> went in Philly - I know that with the split from CBS, WPSG/57 is back to 
> being branded as "Philly 57"...did it go to PHL17?
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:36:31 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> And the CDub has added "The Conners" reruns to the lineup, but running it 
>> once a week.  There have to be people at ABC who just want to wring Tom 
>> Werner's neck for this deal, because it makes it look like the show moved 
>> first-run to CW when it didn't.
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotl...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 4:58 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> They are literally giving their programming the hook 
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:45 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 The "The" will be partly dropped by controlling owner Nexstar, and the 
 logo will look thicker and change to a hot color... 
 https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/the-cw-new-branding-logo-look-critics-choice-awards-1235870260/
  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ABC News brings back Love in the Afternoon

[Diner]

In related news, Matt Lauer won't be returning to morning TV.


On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:

> On Robach/Holmes' podcast Tuesday, Amy asserted that they won't return to 
> daytime TV...
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2024/01/03/amy-robach-tj-holmes-wont-return-daytime-tv-hosting/72093339007/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Moi, Dec 5th 2023:
>
> Amy Robach and TJ Holmes finally talk about their ouster, a year after the 
> fact, on (*of course!*) their new podcast, which débuted today:
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/amy-robach-tj-holmes-affair-podcast-gma-firing-1235821783/
>  (link)
> And oddly, the people they left for each other, Marilee Fiebig and Andrew 
> Shue, have been seeing each other...
>
> https://pagesix.com/2023/12/05/gossip/amy-robach-and-t-j-holmes-exes-are-dating/
>  (link)
> Like Dan Patrick sometimes says, I love love.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[Diner]

And now Claire McNear, whose reporting helped bring down Mike Richards, 
tells the story of Mayim's departure:
https://www.theringer.com/tv/2023/12/27/24015707/mayim-bialik-jeopardy-main-host-history-ken-jennings-writers-strike


On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:43:28 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:

> THR's Alex Weprin discusses things with Ken... the celebrities, he said, 
> appear to be far more terrified than a regular-show contestant...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jeopardy-host-ken-jennings-mayim-bialik-exit-celebrity-jeopardy-semifinals-1235766161/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Tom Wolper, to M-D November, Dec 20th:
>
> In any internet pile-on most participants are expressing their own outrage 
> or pushing their agendas with no regard for the well being of the object 
> they’re outraged about. Sony was right to be sensitive about choosing their 
> host as they didn’t want to be at the center of an outrage storm that could 
> tank ratings. And Ken probably did better than expected in settling in as 
> the host.
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Group member Brad Beam has passed away

[Diner]

Marti - Facebook wouldn't let me add you as a friend. The error I got was: 
It looks like you may not know this person. Send requests to people you 
know personally to see their updates on Facebook.

I'm really upset to hear about Brad's passing. I always enjoyed his 
contributions.
-Tim
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 1:58:49 PM UTC-5 Marti Lawrence wrote:

> If any of you want to be Facebook friends, I will gladly accept.  
> https://www.facebook.com/marti.lawrence
>
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:47:08 PM UTC-6 Marti Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Yes, I looked and found these:
>>
>> https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/joe-beam-obituary?pid=205708651
>>
>> https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/malden-wv/joe-beam-11535535
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:17:28 PM UTC-6 Bob Jersey wrote:
>>
>>> Marti: If / when an announcement is posted to Legacy.com, or directly by 
>>> a "parlor" handling arrangements, kindly pass its link along. (Either 
>>> usually allows for visitors to post remembrances.) Thanks for any help you 
>>> can provide. B
>>>
>>> Marti Lawrence, Dec 14th:
>>>
>>> He was a regular contributor to this group, and we became Facebook 
>>> friends some time back. I was shocked to see that his brother posted of his 
>>> passing - he was only 49 years old.  [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>> Hug those close to you, we never know how much time is left.
>>>
>>>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Super Bowl Means Scripted Back on CBS

[Diner]

Just saw an "88 Days Until the Super Bowl" card in the closing credits of 
The Price Is Right.


On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:25:53 PM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> The BIg Game on Feb. 10 will be the Eye's official call for the return of 
> scripted programming, with the new Justin Hartley action drama tracker 
> getting the coveted post-Super Bowl slot as originally announced. The 
> following night, the schedules start to return to normal 
> ("Neighborhood"/"Abishola"/"NCIS Original"/"NCIS Hawaii" on Monday, Dick 
> Wolf FBI Night on Tuesday, "Young Sheldon"/"Ghosts USA"/"So Help Me Todd" 
> and the "Good Wife/Fight" spinoff "Elsbeth" on Thursday, "SWAT"/"Fire 
> Country"/"Blue Bloods" on Friday and "Equalizer" after "60 Minutes," 
> "Tracker" in its regular slot and "CSI Reboot" on Sunday). In the only 
> night remaining the same, "Survivor" and "TAR" will play 90-minute episodes 
> on Wednesday (meaning that since a season of "TAR" is on hold because they 
> were made in the hour format, either they taped another season or Van 
> Munster is reformatting the season in the can to the 90-minute format), 
> with "Survivor" starting in late February with two weeks of two-hour 
> episodes:
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/cbs-2023-2024-winter-schedule/
>
> And the Kathy Bates "Matlock" reboot and the Damon Wayans pere et fil 
> sitcom "Poppa's House" have been postponed to the fall--if you want to see 
> a Wayans on CBS before then, hope that "Raid the Cage" with Damon Jr. gets 
> renewed.
>
> And speaking of the Big Game, after that initial promo last week with Drew 
> Barrymore, all four Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, SpongeBob and some people 
> I didn't recognize, CBS/Nick/Paramount+ hasn't run any "Super Bowl 
> Countdown" promos since then, unless they're running only on sports for now.
>

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[TV orNotTV] Sinclair shuts down news production in Tulsa

[Diner]

WTUL Channel 8, the Sinclair-owned ABC affiliate in Tulsa, is moving its 
news production 100 miles away to Oklahoma City, where Sinclair owns two 
stations (Fox affiliate KOKH and independent KOCB). 

>From what Erin Christy (an anchor at Tulsa station KJRH) is writing on 
Twitter/X, it appears (though it is not confirmed) that they will still 
have reporters in Tulsa but that all the anchoring and news production will 
be done out of Oklahoma City, and that Tulsa will be more like a "bureau." 
https://twitter.com/Erin_Christy/status/1722996630998102422
There's a news story behind a paywall 
at 
https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/sinclair-broadcast-group/article_d4298c30-7f44-11ee-a9a5-4747bab26bfa.html

For reference, Tulsa is the 47th most populous city in the country, and the 
station - which moved its license from Muskogee to Tulsa in 1957 - is a 
longtime part of the city's cultural identity. And if this can happen in a 
city with a population larger than New Orleans, Cleveland or Pittsburgh, 
who knows what's next.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Low World Series TV ratings in 2023 continue 7-year downward trend

[Diner]

Last week I was listening to "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me," and one of the 
guests was comedian Zainab Johnson. During the final round (Lightning Fill 
in the Blank), Johnson was asked to complete this sentence: "On Friday the 
Arizona Diamondbacks face the Texas Rangers in the first game of the 2023 
BLANK."
Johnson replied "Don't even know what sport that is."
A good joke, but for a lot of people I think it rings true.

On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:22:00 AM UTC-4 PGage wrote:

>  I am a baseball fan, and while I knew the series was going on I barely 
> cared. I watched most of the games the morning after, FF through major 
> segments, and perhaps most telling, was never in jeopardy of having the 
> final score spoiled because it seemed absolutely nobody in my social media 
> networks cared enough to discuss the games.
>
> MLB partly just got unlucky with two teams with low interest from the 
> southwest with no connection to high population east coast TV markets.
>
> I give them some credit this year. I was against the pitch clock at first, 
> a proponent of the idea that one of the things that makes baseball unique 
> is that it has no clock. But I was quickly won over, the clock cut a lot of 
> the dead air out, and games were more than 20 minutes shorter than the 
> previous year. At an average length of 2’40”, down from over 3 hours the 
> previous season, they approached the classic period when a baseball game 
> was usually over in less than 2 hours and 20 minutes. Far more enjoyable.
>
> But greed still drives them to artificially inject drama into the season 
> with too many wildcards, and too many post season games. One result is the 
> WS was decided in freaking November, and League Championship and World 
> Series games are competing for attention with NFL mid-season games, a 
> competition MLB will always lose.
>
> But it’s worse than that, WS baseball not only got beat in the TV ratings 
> by a la luster MNF game with the Raiders, it got beat by a 60 Minutes 
> episode.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 8:07 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Admittedly I’m not a baseball fan, but I didn’t know the series was going 
>> on until a student of mine mentioned it yesterday. 
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 6:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>>  
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Canadian TV Show Claims Well-Known Singer Is Not Indigenous

[Diner]

Can't comment on the episode, but I read the article last week after seeing 
a Twitter link to it, and it seems remarkably well-researched.

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/buffy-sainte-marie

I don't have a vested interest in the story either, although I did see the 
documentary about her on American Masters last year. I thought it was 
well-done, although I still don't think she's a major artist.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:02:21 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:

> Canadians will have to tell me whether the tone of that story was typical 
> of that series. I found it tainted with so much bias that I couldn’t help 
> but wonder who emotionally wounded the reporter to make him feel that way. 
>
> I have no vested interest in the ethnicity of the woman in question; I 
> don’t know enough about her to care about her background, but they very 
> clearly did. Everything from the sinister music normally reserved for axe 
> murderers and rapists to the darkened almost noir-like old photos reeked of 
> bias. Maybe she made up her background, or maybe she misunderstood her 
> background, or maybe she simply didn’t know… didn’t matter to the reporter… 
> he was out to tarnish her reputation and destroy her career. That was some 
> truly, remarkably, unbelievably bad television. 
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:31 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> It's on the 'toob, and not blocked outside Canada... 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMsqCWNCUc4 (link)
>> B
>>
>> Mark Jeffries, Oct 27th:
>>
>> Tonight's episode of the CBC's long-running newsmag "The Fifth Estate" 
>> will contain a report supposedly revealing that an "iconic Canadian singer" 
>> is not what she claimed to be for many years--folk singer Buffy 
>> Sainte-Marie, the first indigenous winner of an Oscar in 1982 for 
>> co-writing the "Officer and a Gentleman" theme "Up Where We Belong," 
>> believes that she is the subject of the report and that the report wrong,  
>> saying that the Canadian pubcaster interviewed her last month her ancestry 
>> and being sexually assaulted as a child and that although she does not know 
>> everything about her ancestry, "I know who I am":
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/buffy-sainte-marie-responds-pretendian-1235628540/
>>
>> The above contains a video statement from Sainte-Marie--Americans will 
>> only be able to see the program if they live near the Canadian border and 
>> can pick up a CBC station OTA or on cable or if it is put online.
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Late Night News: TDS & @Midnight

[Diner]

I'm guessing you mean Taylor Tomlinson, a comic who was recently on the Fly 
on the Wall podcast, and not Taylor Thompson.

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:13:16 AM UTC-4 PGage wrote:

> Matt Belloni at Puck News last night had two items on late night shows:
>
> 1. Litigation is on the horizon between Hassan Minhaj, who believes he had 
> an enforceable oral contract to take over TDS prior to the Strike that CC 
> breached after the New Yorker story was published on 9/15, and CC, which 
> says that while they were close to a deal, they were still completing their 
> due diligence and had not closed a deal, oral or otherwise. Or maybe cool 
> heads will prevail and they settle on a payoff. I have not followed the 
> details of the Minhaj situation, but from afar do not understand the fuss; 
> has any other comic gotten in trouble because elements in the set up for 
> their punchlines were not literally true? Are we meant to believe there 
> really was a family vaudeville act called The Aristocrats who performed 
> disgusting sexual and scatalogical acts on each other?
>
> 2. @Midnight host options down to three: Ricky Velez, X Mayo, Taylor 
> Thompson. Belloni did not note that Velez was on the at home Covid Colbert 
> show this week, and maybe that bit about Velez taking over the hosting of 
> that episode with Pete Davidson was meant to signal that he would soon be 
> hosting the show following Colbert. For me it was painfully unfunny, and 
> more of a reason to go with one of the other two candidates.
>
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: "Wonder Years" 2.0 over

[Diner]

I watched the first episode, thought it was fine, but didn't find any 
compelling reason to keep watching.

I guess I wasn't ready for a version of "The Wonder Years" where I like the 
mom and dad more than the kids.

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:02 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/the-wonder-years-canceled-abc-1235725307/
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] And here's your full S32 DWTS cast...

[Diner]

Having never watched more than a few minutes of DWTS at a time,  my first 
reaction upon seeing this list was "Is Mira Sorvino the first Oscar-winning 
performer to compete on this show?"

And after checking Wikipedia, I can report that the answer is no. Tatum 
O'Neal (9th place in season 2) and Cloris Leachman (7th place in season 7) 
were also contestants. (Did I miss anybody?)

However, Ms. Sorvino is, I believe, the first DWTS contestant to have won 
an Oscar for a film not directed by Peter Bogdanovich.

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:32:24 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:

> I’ll bring the snacks.
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:14 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I’m organizing a not-watch party! 
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 7:13 AM Joe Hass  wrote:
>>
>>> You wait in line, mister: we'll all have a chance not to watch in due 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 9:03 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
 I can’t wait to not watch 

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 tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> My picks for the final:  the former "Bachelorette," Alyson Hannigan, 
> and Tyson Beckford.
>
> https://deadline.com/2023/09/dancing-with-the-stars-season-32-cast-1235545247/
>  (link)
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: "Friends" character almost recast, recalled Jim Burrows in memoir

[Diner]

The memoir was published in June 2022 - not sure why People has just gotten 
around to reading it...

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:06:53 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Not one of the main cast, but Emily, Ross' eventual wife... Helen 
> Baxendale "was nice, but not particularly funny" compared to, say, 
> Aniston...
>
> https://people.com/friends-nearly-recast-emily-because-helen-baxendale-david-schwimmer-chemistry-did-not-compare-jennifer-aniston-7964524
>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] Re: "This Is Us"' William gone

[Diner]

Yes, I knew him as the corrupt congressman Kilbride on L: Organized Crime.
Intense, sensational actor. What a loss this is.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:34:28 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> A "long-standing pulmonary issue" claimed Ron Cephas Jones, whom we 
> reported joined his daughter in presenting Emmy nominations for the 2021 
> ceremony 
>  
> (link)... 
> his other roles included several in the Wolf-verse... 66.
>
> https://deadline.com/2023/08/ron-cephas-jones-dead-this-is-us-truth-be-told-actor-1235523376/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'If You Watch These, You May Want to Come Out...'

[Diner]

"My TiVo Thinks I'm Gay"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoUJvAQg7KI


On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:59:49 PM UTC-4 John Edwards wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 5:22 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:50 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> Her preferences wouldn’t have changed just because she came out. She was 
>>> probably choosing to watch shows and movies with a queer sensibility 
>>> without being conscious of it and Netflix was able to connect the dots 
>>> before she did.
>>>
>>
>> Wonder what dots Netflix connects between my wife and all the shows she 
>> watches about serial killers? 
>>
>
> It will not be recommending any long series to you. 
>
> John 
> -- 
> John Edwards
> "You can insure against the weather, but you can't insure against 
> incompetence, can you?" - Phil Tufnell
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Re: [TV orNotTV] IYC: Robin Roberts, Michael Strahan missing from GMA Friday

[Diner]

Gayle King and Tony Dokoupil were BOTH on vacation from CBS Mornings last 
week.
I demand a Congressional investigation!!

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 2:31:26 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:

> I guess this is what becomes of entertainment news when there’s a strike 
> on.
>
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 9:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Stephanopoulos, who was on set, said "we're gonna get right to the news" 
>> and wouldn't explain the absences... Deborah Roberts and Rebecca Jarvis 
>> filled in...
>>
>> https://tvshowsace.com/2023/07/28/gma-loses-robin-roberts-michael-strahan-at-same-time/
>>  (link)
>> Meanwhile, Deb's husband Al Roker was off "Today" this week for a 
>> combination of embarrassing moments... Jacob Soboroff, former MSNBC 
>> correspondent, pinch-hit:
>>
>> https://tvshowsace.com/2023/07/28/today-al-roker-replaced-with-jacob-soboroff/
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Well, here it comes: the Trek musical

[Diner]

As usual, Mad Magazine was there first.
http://mystartrekscrapbook.blogspot.com/2008/11/1976-mad-star-trek-spoof.html


On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:29:03 AM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> There've been musical scenes across the franchise, but never a full 
> episode... but *Strange New Worlds* will go there in season two... a 
> "space anomaly" zaps the *Enterprise *(well, *of course*)... the 
> Comic-Con panel where this was announced also touted an *SNW/Lower Decks* 
> crossover, 
> and showed a taste of the fifth season opener for *Discovery*...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-musical-episode-1235541620/
>  (link, 
> with two 'toobs and a link to the third)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Not sure when they'll be given out...

[Diner]

Michael J. Fox and Lin-Manuel Miranda were both nominated for playing 
themselves on "Curb Your Enthusiasm." Both in the Guest Actor category.
There may be others.

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:

> Speaking of “Jury Duty”, I see that Jason Marsden is nominated for playing 
> “himself”.
>
>  
>
> Has that ever happened before?
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com] 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2023 17:18
> *To:* TVorNotTV
> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] Re: Not sure when they'll be given out...
>
>  
>
> The snubs-and-surprises include Mr Ford... "Jury Duty"... and Keri Russell 
> over, say, Helen Mirren??
>
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/emmy-snubs-surprises-harrison-ford-elizabeth-olsen-jury-duty-1235667916/
>  (link)
>
> B
>
> Moi, July 12th:
>
> ...but Emmy nominations are out... 
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/2023-emmy-nominations-list-1235666521/
>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] Re: "Simpsons" reunion on picket line at Fox

[Diner]

And Cozi TV. Three episodes a day. 

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 7:02:51 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Another reunion last week at said lot... Emily Deschanel and Hart Hanson 
> lead "Bones" writers/producers... and at least a couple of fans, now that 
> repeats are on Hulu, Freevee and BBCA...
>
> https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/bones-reunion-strike-wga-emily-deschanel-hart-hanson-1235664379/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Moi, June 10th:
>
> Greg Daniels wore his 100th-episode jean jacket... Matt Groening scribbled 
> Disco Stu saying "PAY UP, HULU!" on his sign... Conan said “My career 
> wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for my job as a writer.”
>
> https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/the-simpsons-conan-obrien-wga-writers-strike-1235639644/
>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] Re: The death of streaming, we forgot

[Diner]

Rachel Brosnahan Reacts to 'The Golden Arm' Going Viral: "I Don't Think 
They Got The Joke!"
https://collider.com/rachel-brosnahan-interview-the-golden-arm-quibi/

On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 8:07:44 PM UTC-4 Doug Eastick wrote:

> https://twitter.com/KalhanR/status/1664407672832028674?s=20
>
> Remember quibi?
> I hadn't heard of this Rachel Brosnahan "show" but , my god, the the 
> clip... is bad.
>
> A reply tweet in the thread includes a link to an Esquire article on the 
> "show".
>
>  
>
> /Doug 
> eas...@mcd.on.ca
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'Price' First Out of TV City Before Renovation

[Diner]

According to Randy West on Facebook (random quotes):

The Price is Right has moved maybe 75% of their massive number of games, 
set pieces, props and prizes from TV City. The big wheel has yet to make 
the trip down towards Glendale.
You'd be surprised to know how many storage areas, buildings and 
underground holding areas they had. If the new owners of the studio were 
charging rental for all of those thousands of square feet, I'd have left 
even sooner!
More to come. Taping at the new studio starts August 2nd and, oh yes, you 
will want to watch the first shows of the new season in September!

It's called Haven Studios and is near the L.A. - Glendale border. Price 
will share a massive studio with Let's Make a Deal. The space was very 
recently transformed from an industrial building, and this summer's Press 
Your Luck already taped there.

Even after rehearsals, CBS Electronics used to be down the hall with the 
last guy who built the electronics for those games. There'll be one tech in 
the new studio, but he doesn't have the experience with the older games, nor 
will he have lots of spare parts on site. It's a 30 minute drive... tick, 
tock, tick, tock, tick, tock...

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 2:13:11 PM UTC-4 David Lynch wrote:

> Press Your Luck has already moved to Haven Studios, taping this week and 
> next according to On Camera Audiences. (Although I assume that's based on 
> the assumption that Elizabeth Banks' voice improves from what we heard at 
> the Oscars last night.) I think that was the only one of ABC's game shows 
> that taped at Television City, but Fremantle-owned Celebrity Family Feud is 
> also moving to Haven when it tapes its next season. Presumably To Tell The 
> Truth will as well when/if it records more episodes, but there has been a 
> full season that's been sitting unaired for over a year.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 12:40 PM Diner  wrote:
>
>> Press Your Luck has always taped at Television City, except for the 
>> pandemic-affected Season 3, which was done at Radford.
>> Pyramid and The Chase tape at Radford.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:57:28 PM UTC-5 M-D November wrote:
>>
>>> Don't some of the ABC primetime game shows (Pyramid, PyL, etc.) also 
>>> tape at Television City?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>>
>>>> The venerable CBS game show will begin its 52nd season in the fall at 
>>>> the new Haven Studios in Glendale after 51 years in Studio 33 (aka "The 
>>>> Bob 
>>>> Barker Studio") as Television City Studios in the Fairfax District 
>>>> undergoes a $1.25B renovation project that will double the number of 
>>>> studios and modernize facilities--network and production company 
>>>> stablemate 
>>>> "Let's Make a Deal" will also move to Haven from its current home in Van 
>>>> Nuys,  and no indication if the show will go back to a fuller audience 
>>>> after two pandemic-induced years of seating pre-selected contestants and 
>>>> their families in pods (which have increased lately), a year before that 
>>>> of 
>>>> no audience with the pre-selected contestants standing in the hallway 
>>>> wearing masks until George Gray called their name and three years of 
>>>> extremely obvious sweetening:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://deadline.com/2023/03/the-price-is-right-move-production-television-city-renovations-1235283050/
>>>>
>>>> As for the other current shows in TV City (Corden, who's ending, "Y," 
>>>> "B," Maher, "Idol," "Dancing with the Stars," maybe the "@midnight" 
>>>> reboot), no indication yet, although I would not be surprised if the Bell 
>>>> family soaps move to Sony (even if "B" isn't owned by Sony).
>>>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Peacock: Everybody pays for Premium content starting June 26

[Diner]

In related news, I'll finally be getting around to watching the last few 
Harry Potter movies over the next four weeks.

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 11:59:47 AM UTC-4 Ron Casalotti wrote:

> When it launched, NBCUni owned Comcast cable provided free access to it's 
> subscribers to Peacock premium content for free, in a bid to ramp up 
> membership numbers while claiming itself as the "fastest growing streaming 
> network".
>
> Now, effective June 26, everyone will have to subscribe to a pay level of 
> service to keep access to that content, primarily next day streaming of NBC 
> and Bravo shows.
>
> And, of course, you will pay that premium and *still* be subject to 
> commercials (isn't that paying twice?) unless you pay even more for Peacock 
> Premium *Plus*.
>
> It will be interesting to see how membership levels react to this 
> imposition of a fee for something they
> previously got "for free".
>
>
> https://cordcuttersnews.com/peacock-will-no-longer-be-free-for-comcast-customers-next-month-here-is-everything-you-need-to-know/
>
> Thank you,
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[TV orNotTV] In "I didn't expect THAT to be released on DVD" news...

[Diner]

The 2012-2013 Matthew Perry sitcom "Go On" will be released on DVD May 23 
from Mill Creek Entertainment.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/complete-series-of-tv-comedy-go-on-due-on-dvd-may-23-from-mill-creek/

I actually watched every episode of this show (we Laura Benanti fans will 
put up with a lot of crap), and when I read the article, I realized that I 
had completely forgotten that Tyler James Williams was a regular on this 
show. (Though I did remember that Jack Carter made one of his last 
appearances on it.)


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[TV orNotTV] Ray Austin R.I.P. - stuntman turned director for UK and US TV

[Diner]

>From doing stunts in "North by Northwest"... to acting in bit parts on 
shows like "The Saint"... to his work on "The Avengers," where he was the 
stunt coordinator, doubled for both Patrick Macnee AND Diana Rigg, and 
taught Rigg how to do kung fu... to directing British series like "Space: 
1999" and "The New Avengers"... to directing American TV series like 
"Magnum P.I." (12 episodes), "JAG" (7 episodes), "The Love Boat," "Hart to 
Hart" and "Spenser: For Hire," plus genre TV reunion movies like "The 
Return of the Man from UNCLE" and "The Return of the Six Million Dollar Man 
and The Bionic Woman"... Ray Austin had quite a wide-ranging career. He was 
90. His death was confirmed by his website, http://www.raymondaustin.com/ .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Austin_(director)

 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: ABC cancels three dramas

[Diner]

Correction - "The Company You Keep" only ran one season. (The grammar in 
the THR article makes that unclear.)


On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:49:27 AM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> "Alaska Daily" after one season, "The Company You Keep" and David E. 
> Kelley's "Big Sky" both after three... four other series including "The 
> Conners" and six pilots also await decisions... 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/company-you-keep-big-sky-alaska-daily-canceled-abc-1235486942/
>  (link)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: SWAT be gone

[Diner]

Meanwhile, both *East New York* and *True Lies* were canceled after one 
season. 

Streaming rights were an issue for *East New York* - CBS wanted them beyond 
the current season, Warner Bros. wouldn't give them up. And since *SWAT* 
and *ENY* were basically competing for the same slot, *SWAT's *return came 
at *ENY's* expense. 

https://deadline.com/2023/05/east-new-york-canceled-cbs-one-season-1235357988/amp/

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 8:44:21 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:

> I’m sure their viewer will be pleased 
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:30 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> *Not so fast, my friend...*  Renewal for one last go-round.
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/swat-renewed-final-season-7-cbs-cancellation-1235606807/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> Kevin M, May 6th:
>>
>> The reboot bites the dust after six seasons 
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/swat-canceled-cbs-6-seasons-1235604967/
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[TV orNotTV] Re: "Kat" put down

[Diner]

It was a mercy killing.

After Leslie Jordan's death I decided to watch the next episode because I 
was a fan of his work. I couldn't even make it halfway through the episode. 
It was horrifically bad. A bunch of talented actors, but not one line was 
even remotely funny.

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:43:34 AM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:

> Let the “Jeopardy!” jockeying begin in earnest….
>
> https://deadline.com/2023/05/call-me-kat-canceled-season-3-fox-1235358083/
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Comisar Collection Auction

[Diner]

It's amazing, isn't it? I'd listened to Comisar's interview on The Carson 
Podcast a while back, so I knew he had quite a collection, but I hadn't 
realized it was this good and this diverse. I mean, it's one thing to have 
Johnny's desk, but to have Doc's music stand too? And a set of doors from 
The Price Is Right, and a set of doors from Jeopardy? And Bob Crane's 
leather jacket from Hogan's Heroes, and Linda Kaye Henning's wedding dress 
from Petticoat Junction, and Jim Rockford's business cards? And the 
orchestrations from when Steve Martin sang "King Tut" on SNL, orchestrated 
by... Tommy Newsom?? And all that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Though probably my favorite item is "A Group of Prop Human Remains Evidence 
from Law & Order: Special Victims Unit."

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 8:09:37 AM UTC-4 Adam Bowie wrote:

> I don't know if anyone here has found some spare cash down the back of the 
> sofa recently, but there's an extraordinary auction of TV memorabilia 
> happening including things like Letterman and Carson desk sets as well as 
> the Cheers bar! And much much more...
>
>
> https://entertainment.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=7318=hero-comisarCollection-AuctionHome-7318-050123
>
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Anyone else recently locked out of Twitter?

[Diner]

Today Twitter banned my daily "Map My Walk" post for violating "Community 
Standards on nudity or sexual activity."

Hey guys, I walked 1.16 miles in 21 minutes - I just didn't have time for 
any nudity or sexual activity! But I'll try to walk faster next time.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 11:47:17 AM UTC-4 M-D November wrote:

> Same. I had stopped really giving a damn about Twitter a few years ago, 
> but I kept the account open mainly because a number of companies I 
> subscribe to use it for customer service.  But in light of SpaceKaren's 
> antics, I finally deactivated my account last month.  I've been on Mastodon 
> since the beginning of the year and enjoy it very much; it reminds me a lot 
> of Twitter back in 2007 or so, before the brands and the N*zis showed up in 
> droves.
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 6:45:29 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:
>
>> I logged off over a month ago. It turns out, if I’m not on Twitter, 
>> Twitter doesn’t matter… at all. 
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:35 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At least that still works for me, but I wish I could adjust the size of 
>>> columns to fit my desktop screen... B
>>>
>>> Jim Ellwanger, to moi, May 1st:
>>>
>>> Am I the only one who dislikes using the term "application" to refer to 
>>> something running on a website - as this article does - as opposed to a 
>>> separate, dedicated application running on a phone/tablet/laptop/desktop 
>>> PC/whatever?
>>>
>>> There USED TO be an actual desktop TweetDeck application, but it was 
>>> discontinued (shortly pre-Musk) - nowadays the website version is how I 
>>> usually interact with Twitter, and it's still working for me as well as it 
>>> has in the Musk era (sloow).
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[TV orNotTV] Re: The final Corden postmortem, If You Care

[Diner]

Per Brian Stetler: 

Well-placed sources tell me *The Late Late Show* was costing $60 million to 
$65 million a year to produce but was netting less than $45 million.

“It was simply not sustainable,” says one executive. “CBS could not afford 
him anymore.”
https://www.lamag.com/article/james-corden-bows-out/

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/late-late-show-james-corden-final-episode-highlights-1235405328/
>  (link)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBC chairman resigning

[Diner]

Via Twitter, that is.


On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 7:32:39 PM UTC-4 Diner wrote:

> I must say that Mike Barnes, the obituary writer at THR, has been very 
> friendly and agreeable to me when I correct (admittedly minor) mistakes in 
> his articles.
>
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:56:38 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:
>
>> I used to message HR and Variety writers who were especially egregious on 
>> social media and tell them that, for a nominal fee, I’d proofread their 
>> articles. They always refused… usually belligerently.  
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 9:24 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Sharp failed to completely explain a loan he'd made to onetime 
>>> Prime Minister Boris Johnson... how do we scream to the THR reporter about 
>>> typos?
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bbc-chairman-richard-sharp-resign-boris-johnson-loan-1235405496/
>>>  (link)
>>> B 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBC chairman resigning

[Diner]

I must say that Mike Barnes, the obituary writer at THR, has been very 
friendly and agreeable to me when I correct (admittedly minor) mistakes in 
his articles.


On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:56:38 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:

> I used to message HR and Variety writers who were especially egregious on 
> social media and tell them that, for a nominal fee, I’d proofread their 
> articles. They always refused… usually belligerently.  
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 9:24 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Richard Sharp failed to completely explain a loan he'd made to onetime 
>> Prime Minister Boris Johnson... how do we scream to the THR reporter about 
>> typos?
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bbc-chairman-richard-sharp-resign-boris-johnson-loan-1235405496/
>>  (link)
>> B 
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: Lingo w/RuPaul

[Diner]

Ralph Andrews Productions has just posted a video recorded at some time in 
the late '70s: a run-through in the NBC offices for a format called "The 
Word Game." 
If you've seen "Lingo," the gameplay might look familiar to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYsgbMuUyCE

Andrews was the creator and producer for the original 1987-88 run of 
"Lingo," and he took over as host after firing the original host, 
presidential progeny Michael Reagan.

Speaking of Ralph Andrews Productions, they've also posted a 
not-seen-in-47-years episode of "Celebrity Sweepstakes," hosted by "Word 
Game" emcee Jim McKrell. 
Thanks to Game Show Author Adam Nedeff on Facebook for the links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYjOBTctL3Y


On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:41:40 PM UTC-5 Diner wrote:

> Pretty spot on.
>
> One other thing that annoys me is how they prime the audience to applaud 
> over and over for no reason. Ru asks a contestant where he's from, the 
> contestant replies "Little Rock, Arkansas," and it gets a HUGE round of 
> applause. Then that contestant's partner gets asked the same question, and 
> he mentions a town in Arkansas that nobody outside Arkansas has ever heard 
> of, and that gets just as big a round of applause. Oh, and did I mention 
> this show tapes in Manchester, England? Why are people in England giving 
> huge rounds of applause for Podunk, Arkansas? Who knows.
>
> I actually watched some episodes of the Bill Engvall version a few months 
> ago on Pluto TV - basically to help me fall asleep! It was an okay way to 
> spend a half hour, but I remember thinking at the time that the scoring was 
> all screwed up and that the bingo element complicated the game 
> unnecessarily. I actually thought "instead of playing to win numbers on a 
> bingo board, they should play for money, but have the money decrease as 
> they go down the board." And whaddaya know, that's exactly what this new 
> version does. Except even with the improvements to the gameplay, it's still 
> not remotely exciting. (Hey, neither is "Wheel of Fortune," so what do I 
> know?) But it's a fairly pleasant (if annoyingly repetitive) way to spend 
> an hour.
>
> One more game show-related thing: the "Superfans" edition of "The Price is 
> Right at Night" that aired this week was a wonderful celebration of the 
> show and why the fans love it, and it seemed, as Adam Nedeff wrote, a love 
> letter to the fans. Catch it on cbs.com.
>
> https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/SfW89a354ICDEwwEHhg7sQEvTXm76xr5/
>
> -Tim
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 5:11:55 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>> “Hey, let’s do a game show based on Wordle.”
>>
>> “We don’t have the rights to Wordle, but we can remake Lingo, changing 
>> the format to basically be Wordle.”
>>
>> “OK, plus we can get RuPaul to make the same joke about touching balls 
>> over and over again.”
>>
>> “We so deserve a raise.”
>>
>> “And a vacation.”
>>
>> on CBS and Paramount+ 
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>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Netflix Out of DVD Rentals

[Diner]

Well, I continued to use the discs until 2 or 3 years ago for that very 
reason.

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 10:52 AM Diner  wrote:
>
>> It's also going to cause problems for people who can't stream because 
>> they live in areas without good internet access.
>
>
> The lack of DVD rentals would be the least of their concerns 
>
>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/18/netflix-dvd-mail/
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> The last red envelopes will go out on the week of Sept. 29 as Netflix 
>>> shuts down DVD.com, the last remnant of their original business of DVD 
>>> rentals, while many complain that streaming is taking away content on 
>>> physical media--Redbox is the last major national distributor of DVDs and 
>>> they are getting into PPV streaming:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/netflix-dvd-business-closing-when/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=breaking_news_72456
>>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Netflix Out of DVD Rentals

[Diner]

It's also going to cause problems for people who can't stream because they 
live in areas without good internet access.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/18/netflix-dvd-mail/


On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> The last red envelopes will go out on the week of Sept. 29 as Netflix 
> shuts down DVD.com, the last remnant of their original business of DVD 
> rentals, while many complain that streaming is taking away content on 
> physical media--Redbox is the last major national distributor of DVDs and 
> they are getting into PPV streaming:
>
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/netflix-dvd-business-closing-when/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=breaking_news_72456
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carol Burnett at damned-near 90

[Diner]

She's mentioned the *Stage Door-*type project in previous interviews, so it 
was no surprise to me.
And the *Tár *reference was given away in the headline.

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:27:52 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> *Stage Door,* and *Tár*. B
>
> Tom Wolper, to moi, April 13th:
>
> I read all the way to the end and I have no idea why you said to.
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Mini review: Miami Vice

[Diner]

I was in college when Miami Vice was the hottest show on TV, and I was 
never able to get into it.
My college friend Phyllis Stark, who went on to become one of the top 
journalists in the world of country music, put it best at the time: "The 
problem with Miami Vice is that no matter how early I tune in, I feel like 
I missed the first fifteen minutes."

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:44:13 AM UTC-4 Doug Eastick wrote:

> I watched the first three episodes of season one the past couple weeks of 
> travel.
>
> Still great cinematography for the era.
>
> Still great music included.
>
> Misogynistic office roles in the police station (crocket: " can you get me 
> a coffee, sweetie" )
>
> Tv lighting was still pronounced. My how that changed over the next few 
> decades.
>
> Woke role of a cross dressing killer.
>
> Spoiler: Modern Family father kills himself.
>
>
> Wikipedia tells me that in the first few seasons , they never allowed 
> "earth tones" (Brown, beige) on the screen.  Always blue, grey, black, 
> white. 
>
>
> /Doug 
> eas...@mcd.on.ca
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Re: [TV orNotTV] I guess Bill Kurtis is hanging it up

[Diner]

The new brand and focus seems rather more downscale and less curated than 
their current schedule... although I suppose one man's "Petticoat Junction" 
is another man's "Full House." 

Overall, it's not going to have a huge impact on their schedule, since most 
of Decades was comedy anyway... but sadly, this does mean the end of 
nightly "Dick Cavett Show" reruns. (Just last night I caught part of a 1971 
pre-bout showdown between Ali and Frazier, which was truly a glimpse at a 
bygone era.)

I believe the only dramas on their regular schedule were "Dark Shadows" and 
"The Millionaire," both buried in the 5 a.m. and 6 a.m. hours. But they did 
often feature dramas on their weekend binges - "77 Sunset Strip" this 
coming weekend (including the complete "noir" final season) and "The Mod 
Squad" the weekend after that, just before the rebranding begins. I wonder 
how often we'll see dramas like that on subchannels in the future. 


On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:33:46 PM UTC-4 David Bruggeman wrote:

> Kurtis has been the announcer for NPR's "Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me" since 
> the retirement of Carl Kasell, and AFAIK, isn't planning to stop doing that 
> any time soon.
>
> David
>
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 06:51:18 PM PDT, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>
>
> He is in his 80s, and his show on the Decades sidechannel wasn't the big 
> attraction there anyway, so Weigel is rebranding the netlet as "Catchy 
> Comedy!", going for full-time laughs from classics from across the... well, 
> you know... the new brand débuts March 27th, and here's a sampling of its 
> daily menu, along with the continuing weekend binge, from its affiliate in 
> Green Bay, where the NFL team has been under major scrutiny lately...
>
> https://www.wbay.com/2023/03/14/goodbye-decades-hello-catchy-comedy/
>  (link)
>
> B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Remembering Rick "Shecky" Scheckman

[Diner]

Yep - Phil Serling, who was a cousin of the legendary Rod Serling. What a 
character Phil was!

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:46:30 PM UTC-5 ko...@frontiernet.net wrote:

> Darn that tablet auto correct. I meant Phil Serling!
>
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> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:18 PM, Diner
>  wrote:
>
> Just heard from mutual friends on Facebook that Rick, who was David 
> Letterman's longtime film coordinator at both NBC and CBS, has died. No 
> cause of death is known yet.
>
> Rick was the guy who found all the obscure film clips that turned up on 
> Dave's shows, like the clip of a monkey washing a cat. I knew him from when 
> I used to attend the Syracuse Cinefest every year along with my fellow 
> vintage movie enthusiasts. Can't say I knew him well, but I do remember him 
> being a very nice guy.
>
> The Letterman YouTube channel has posted this compilation of his on-air 
> appearances, starting with a real eye-opener:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZokshpZyA
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Remembering Rick "Shecky" Scheckman

[Diner]

The Donz, of course, goes into much more detail. Worth reading.

https://twitter.com/TAMisnik/status/1634237947414233099


On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:18:01 PM UTC-5 Diner wrote:

> Just heard from mutual friends on Facebook that Rick, who was David 
> Letterman's longtime film coordinator at both NBC and CBS, has died. No 
> cause of death is known yet.
>
> Rick was the guy who found all the obscure film clips that turned up on 
> Dave's shows, like the clip of a monkey washing a cat. I knew him from when 
> I used to attend the Syracuse Cinefest every year along with my fellow 
> vintage movie enthusiasts. Can't say I knew him well, but I do remember him 
> being a very nice guy.
>
> The Letterman YouTube channel has posted this compilation of his on-air 
> appearances, starting with a real eye-opener:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZokshpZyA
>
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[TV orNotTV] Remembering Rick "Shecky" Scheckman

[Diner]

Just heard from mutual friends on Facebook that Rick, who was David 
Letterman's longtime film coordinator at both NBC and CBS, has died. No 
cause of death is known yet.

Rick was the guy who found all the obscure film clips that turned up on 
Dave's shows, like the clip of a monkey washing a cat. I knew him from when 
I used to attend the Syracuse Cinefest every year along with my fellow 
vintage movie enthusiasts. Can't say I knew him well, but I do remember him 
being a very nice guy.

The Letterman YouTube channel has posted this compilation of his on-air 
appearances, starting with a real eye-opener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZokshpZyA


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[TV orNotTV] Re: 'Price' First Out of TV City Before Renovation

[Diner]

Press Your Luck has always taped at Television City, except for the 
pandemic-affected Season 3, which was done at Radford.
Pyramid and The Chase tape at Radford.


On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:57:28 PM UTC-5 M-D November wrote:

> Don't some of the ABC primetime game shows (Pyramid, PyL, etc.) also tape 
> at Television City?
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> The venerable CBS game show will begin its 52nd season in the fall at the 
>> new Haven Studios in Glendale after 51 years in Studio 33 (aka "The Bob 
>> Barker Studio") as Television City Studios in the Fairfax District 
>> undergoes a $1.25B renovation project that will double the number of 
>> studios and modernize facilities--network and production company stablemate 
>> "Let's Make a Deal" will also move to Haven from its current home in Van 
>> Nuys,  and no indication if the show will go back to a fuller audience 
>> after two pandemic-induced years of seating pre-selected contestants and 
>> their families in pods (which have increased lately), a year before that of 
>> no audience with the pre-selected contestants standing in the hallway 
>> wearing masks until George Gray called their name and three years of 
>> extremely obvious sweetening:
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2023/03/the-price-is-right-move-production-television-city-renovations-1235283050/
>>
>> As for the other current shows in TV City (Corden, who's ending, "Y," 
>> "B," Maher, "Idol," "Dancing with the Stars," maybe the "@midnight" 
>> reboot), no indication yet, although I would not be surprised if the Bell 
>> family soaps move to Sony (even if "B" isn't owned by Sony).
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] How to Fix the Oscars (But It Won't Happen)

[Diner]

I understand the desire to move the lifetime achievement awards back to the 
broadcast.
However, it's my understanding that the separate Governors Awards ceremony 
is popular with Academy members, because it allows lifetime achievement 
winners to give long speeches befitting their status without having to deal 
with a TV-imposed 45-second time limit. At the most recent ceremony, two of 
the winners, directors Peter Weir and Euzhan Palcy, spoke for 15 minutes 
apiece; Michael J. Fox spoke for 13 minutes; and Diane Warren spoke for 6 
minutes. No way they're going to get rid of that. 
Also, it's held at a dinner which allows stars to shmooze with their fellow 
stars. They just love that stuff.
 
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 1:54:49 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:

> It won’t happen because it might be a hassle for ABC to take the 5:30-8 
> slot and it would require a large investment from ABC with no guarantee 
> they would recoup the money.
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 1:28 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
>> The Ringer's Daniel Joyaux says admit that it's going to be a five-hour 
>> show and start it at 5:30 p.m. ET, the same time the Super Bowl kicks off, 
>> make the first two hours the craft awards, shorts, documentaries and 
>> international film hosted by a familiar person but not a big star 
>> (examples:  BIll Hader, Issa Rae, Jenny Slate), from 7:30 to 8:30 a 
>> half-time show from another location with the original songs (see Rhianna 
>> and Lady Gaga singing their nominated songs back-to-back!), the composers 
>> conducting the orchestra with excerpts from the nominated scores, the 
>> necrology and the only ads previews of upcoming movies while everyone at 
>> the Dolby is drinking and socializing, and a final two hours with a big 
>> star host and the big awards, with a graphic like the "Pardon the 
>> Interruption" rundown showing which awards are coming up, the lifetime 
>> achievement awards returning to the live telecast, and getting off in time, 
>> even with an overrun,  for the late local news at 11 p.m. ET:
>>
>>
>> https://www.theringer.com/oscars/2023/3/6/23626817/academy-awards-2023-how-to-fix-the-oscars-telecast-show
>>
>> But as I said, it'll never happen, because the Academy be the Academy.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SuperBowl comments

[Diner]

My favorite commercial was the "triangle player" commercial for Doritos. 
The "triangle player of the year" reveal at the end really made me laugh 
hard. I liked the Dunkin' commercial too.

I wasn't crazy about Rihanna - the dancing and the spectacle were good, but 
the music did nothing for me. And as Darlene Love wrote, "Hmm … I have 
mixed feelings about Rihanna’s halftime performance… was expecting a high 
energy performance like Beyoncé 
,
 
Bruno Mars 
,
 
Janet Jackson and JLo."
Chris Stapleton was superb. Sheryl Lee Ralph was good but the lip syncing 
took me out of it.

As for the game - as a Philadelphian and a big Eagles fan, I have to admit 
that the holding call was not the deciding factor. The biggest factor in 
the loss was that the Eagles' defense, one of the best in the league, made 
almost no big plays to stop the Chiefs. They got outplayed/outcoached in 
that area, and when the Chiefs started making big plays in the second half 
the Eagles had no way to stop them. The second biggest factor was the 
slippery field, which the Chiefs were prepared for (the Chiefs equipment 
manager had been "in constant communication with the groundscrew all week 
and knew the Chiefs would need the seven-stud cleats for the field Sunday," 
said CBS Sports)  and the Eagles were not (Hurts changed cleats at one 
point because he hadn't expected the field conditions).
Overall, though, a pretty good game. Hard to see my team lose, but I can't 
deny that the Chiefs played better.



On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:25:28 AM UTC-5 PGage wrote:

> When was the last time Super Bowl commercials were really entertaining? It 
> may have been 1984. There is no bigger success in the history of American 
> advertising than the creation and perpetuation of the myth that more people 
> watch the SB for the commercials than the game. This is the only game all 
> year I watch completely live,  not because I want to watch the ads (I do 
> not) but because I have too many friends and family who are casual sports 
> fans who try to contact me during the game  with spoiling comments if I am 
> an hour behind to allow for commercial zapping.
>
> Strongly disagree that the defensive holding call at the end was bad. It 
> clearly was holding (the defender himself admitted it after the game), and 
> probably prevented the Chiefs from scoring a TD on the play. Fans (and Fox 
> Analyst Greg Olsen, who himself did not have a great game) may have been 
> disappointed they were robbed of a more dramatic ending, but real life is 
> often like that. The biggest impact of the penalty was that, without the 
> Hold KC would likely have scored a TD, allowing the Eagles to get the ball 
> with enough time for a potentially dramatic game tying (or winning) drive.
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 7:47 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> The ads were mostly meh. Honorable mention to the Dave Grohl Canada 
>> commercial. The halftime show was mostly meh. Honorable mention to the 
>> flying platforms. The game was at least close, but I’m blind in one eye yet 
>> even I could see a few genuinely bad calls that impacted the outcome. -- 
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: (formerly TV) Jon Batiste drops track from "Marlowe" soundtrack

[Diner]

Speaking of hard-boiled detectives, last week on the "Movies!" channel I 
saw the 1948 movie "I Love Trouble," written by Roy Huggins and based on 
one of his novels. It's a very tough and gripping noir mystery, very much 
in the Chandler mode, and I highly recommend it. 
Franchot Tone plays the lead, detective Stuart Bailey. Huggins reused the 
Bailey character on his later TV series "77 Sunset Strip," with Efrem 
Zimbalist Jr. as Bailey, but Tone's version is much more edgy and 
dangerous, with none of the lightness of the series. If you like Chandler, 
I think you'll enjoy it.

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:56:33 PM UTC-5 PGage wrote:

> I am a huge Chandler (and Hammett) fan. If you like that sort of thing 
> highly recommend reading all of it, starting with short stories (both 
> authors have proto versions of their later Novel length protagonists, 
> either unnamed it differently named).
>
> Marlowe is the more developed character (compared to Spade). Chandler 
> described him in a famous quote: “down these mean streets a man must go who 
> is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid.”
>
> Marlow has his own moral code but he lives in a tough and grimy and 
> complex Los Angeles where the cops are often as dirty and violent as the 
> criminals. Marlow is not above using violence, and even killing people; if 
> the new show depicts him as a bully or a thug they will have it wrong, but 
> if they show him kicking the shit out of a few guys who he thinks deserve 
> it, or shooting someone who is trying to stop him from his Knight’s quest, 
> that would be about right.
>
> Robert Parker’s Spenser is in the mode of Marlow (though Spenser is a more 
> socialized and civilized and watered down version, with a Black friend and 
> a psychotherapist GF).  Parker was given permission by the Chandler estate 
> to complete and unfinished Chandler novel.
>
> Bogie will always be my favorite, but there are other good Marlowe’s out 
> there (Robert Mitchum and James Garner).
>
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 2:36 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I read one Raymond Chandler novel as a kid. I don’t remember which one. 
>> So I’m not sure how Philip Marlowe is portrayed in the books. I’ve seen 
>> “The Big Sleep” several times and love Humphrey Bogart’s take on Marlowe. 
>> He’s sly and maybe a little bit crooked, but not too much. Quite endearing. 
>> I wasn’t a fan of Elliott Gould’s hippy Philip Marlowe in “The Long 
>> Goodbye.”  The trailer for “Marlowe” shows Liam Neeson beating up people. 
>> I’ll wait and see it before passing judgment, but I’m not sure I’ll like a 
>> brutish Philip Marlowe.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 8:52 AM Diner  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this. I like the song too.
>>> I am a Marlowe fan, but I hadn't heard of this movie until now. (I 
>>> didn't read Banville's book, but I did listen to a podcast interview with 
>>> him when it was published.)
>>> I am hopeful, but Neeson's and Cumming's accents have me worried.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:55:06 PM UTC-5 David Bruggeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> The former LSwSC bandleader has a song on the soundtrack to the Neil 
>>>> Jordan/Liam Neeson film "Marlowe", which debuts in U.S. theaters soon 
>>>> (I've 
>>>> seen conflicting dates) - either today (2/10) or Wednesday (2/15)).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOwkaf2RVg
>>>>
>>>> The film stars Neeson as Philip Marlowe, and the cast includes Jessica 
>>>> Lange, Diane Kruger and Danny Huston. The source material is a 2014 novel 
>>>> written by John Banville.
>>>>
>>>> I like the song, but I don't know if I'll like the film.  The trailer 
>>>> didn't seem that impressive, even with the stacked cast.
>>>>
>>>> David
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[TV orNotTV] Re: (formerly TV) Jon Batiste drops track from "Marlowe" soundtrack

[Diner]

Thanks for this. I like the song too.
I am a Marlowe fan, but I hadn't heard of this movie until now. (I didn't 
read Banville's book, but I did listen to a podcast interview with him when 
it was published.)
I am hopeful, but Neeson's and Cumming's accents have me worried.

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:55:06 PM UTC-5 David Bruggeman wrote:

> The former LSwSC bandleader has a song on the soundtrack to the Neil 
> Jordan/Liam Neeson film "Marlowe", which debuts in U.S. theaters soon (I've 
> seen conflicting dates) - either today (2/10) or Wednesday (2/15)).
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOwkaf2RVg
>
> The film stars Neeson as Philip Marlowe, and the cast includes Jessica 
> Lange, Diane Kruger and Danny Huston. The source material is a 2014 novel 
> written by John Banville.
>
> I like the song, but I don't know if I'll like the film.  The trailer 
> didn't seem that impressive, even with the stacked cast.
>
> David
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS reviewing captioning policy after Bad Bunny issue at Grammys

[Diner]

I usually watch music performances with the captions turned on so that I 
can read the lyrics, and I've noticed that most late night shows rarely, if 
ever, use captioning for foreign language musical guests - they usually use 
a standard "singing in foreign language" message. 
The one program I watch that takes care to use Spanish captions is "Austin 
City Limits," which has had one or two Spanish language acts per season for 
the last few years.

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:56:20 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote:

> Based on my experiences during my closed-captioning career, the CBS 
> president's statement "We worked with a closed captioning vendor that did 
> not execute at a standard to which we should rightfully be held" is code 
> for "We didn't spend enough money on the captioning for them to use a 
> bilingual live captioner, but I guess we're going to be forced to shell out 
> the extra cash from now on." (It's also highly likely that the Grammys 
> didn't care enough about the captioning to provide the captioners with a 
> rundown so that they could prepare captions for the song lyrics in advance, 
> although that obviously wouldn't have helped with the Bad Bunny acceptance 
> speech.)
>
>
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> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> The generic "*speaking/singing in non-English*" subtitle, natch, didn't 
> go over too well... especially with California congressmember Robert 
> Garcia, to whose complaint network head George Cheeks responded Friday 
> (10)...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/cbs-live-closed-captioning-bad-bunny-grammys-controversy-1235519958/
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[TV orNotTV] Eugene Lee, R.I.P.

[Diner]

Longtime set designer for SNL and The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon. 
Three-time Tony winner for set design (including "Wicked") and member of 
the American Theater Hall of Fame. 
He was 83.

Lorne has said that when he came to New York in 1974 for the meetings that 
first led to SNL, he was asked if he had anything to do that night after 
the show, and when he said no, he was told "Go see 'Candide' on Broadway." 
He did, and soon hired Eugene, the show's set designer, to design SNL's 
sets.

https://www.golocalprov.com/news/providences-eugene-lee-set-designer-for-snl-tonight-show-and-trinity-has-di


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[TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: Lingo w/RuPaul

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Pretty spot on.

One other thing that annoys me is how they prime the audience to applaud 
over and over for no reason. Ru asks a contestant where he's from, the 
contestant replies "Little Rock, Arkansas," and it gets a HUGE round of 
applause. Then that contestant's partner gets asked the same question, and 
he mentions a town in Arkansas that nobody outside Arkansas has ever heard 
of, and that gets just as big a round of applause. Oh, and did I mention 
this show tapes in Manchester, England? Why are people in England giving 
huge rounds of applause for Podunk, Arkansas? Who knows.

I actually watched some episodes of the Bill Engvall version a few months 
ago on Pluto TV - basically to help me fall asleep! It was an okay way to 
spend a half hour, but I remember thinking at the time that the scoring was 
all screwed up and that the bingo element complicated the game 
unnecessarily. I actually thought "instead of playing to win numbers on a 
bingo board, they should play for money, but have the money decrease as 
they go down the board." And whaddaya know, that's exactly what this new 
version does. Except even with the improvements to the gameplay, it's still 
not remotely exciting. (Hey, neither is "Wheel of Fortune," so what do I 
know?) But it's a fairly pleasant (if annoyingly repetitive) way to spend 
an hour.

One more game show-related thing: the "Superfans" edition of "The Price is 
Right at Night" that aired this week was a wonderful celebration of the 
show and why the fans love it, and it seemed, as Adam Nedeff wrote, a love 
letter to the fans. Catch it on cbs.com.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/SfW89a354ICDEwwEHhg7sQEvTXm76xr5/

-Tim

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 5:11:55 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> “Hey, let’s do a game show based on Wordle.”
>
> “We don’t have the rights to Wordle, but we can remake Lingo, changing the 
> format to basically be Wordle.”
>
> “OK, plus we can get RuPaul to make the same joke about touching balls 
> over and over again.”
>
> “We so deserve a raise.”
>
> “And a vacation.”
>
> on CBS and Paramount+ 
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[TV orNotTV] The Return of Scottish Conan Guy

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Sony Pictures Television 
 is plotting a return 
to the syndicated talk show arena with a half-hour late-night strip hosted 
by Craig Ferguson. Produced by Whisper North, a division of SPT-backed 
production company Whisper, *Channel Surf with Craig Ferguson 
* shot a pilot 
in the UK earlier this month and is being taken out to potential buyers by 
distributor SPT this week in Los Angeles.

*Channel Surf with Craig Ferguson*, which also marks the comedian’s return 
to late-night since leaving CBS’ *The Late Late Show* in 2014, will feature 
Ferguson and his friends as they “review the shocking, surprising and 
hilarious moments of the week’s shows.”


https://deadline.com/2023/01/channel-surf-with-craig-ferguson-syndicated-late-night-talk-show-sony-fall-2023-1235224549/


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[TV orNotTV] Re: Next Tony Awards trying a different (but still NY) theater

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Normally shows do a 3pm matinee on Tony day, then dash over a few blocks to 
Radio City (or the Winter Garden or whatever) to perform on the Tonys.
Now, with the awards show moved over 7.5 miles north, and with actors 
having to fight New York traffic to get there on time (and hit the red 
carpet beforehand), my guess is that many shows will be cancelling their 
Sunday matinees that week.

On the plus side, it's a gorgeous theater that will probably look great on 
TV.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 10:33:35 AM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:

> No, not the Ed... the multi-purpose United Palace, "Home of Spiritual 
> Artistry," Broadway around the 170s.
>
> https://variety.com/2022/theater/awards/tony-awards-united-palace-date-1235459218/
>  (link)
> B
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Jim Gardner is retiring

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Brian Taff, currently co-anchor on 6ABC's noon and 4 pm newscasts, will 
take over the 6 pm newscast when ol' Jimbo retires. 
Gardner's last newscast will be on Wednesday, December 23. 
Taff, who is in his early 40s, has been with the station since 2009.
Rick Williams will continue to anchor the 11 pm newscast, as well as 
co-anchoring at 5 pm.
https://www.inquirer.com/entertainment/tv/6abc-jim-gardner-action-news-brian-taff-replacement-20221206.html

Interesting that the station is keeping a solo anchor on both its 6 and 11 
pm broadcasts - definitely a rarity these days - but splitting Gardner's 
old job between two anchors.

BTW, check out this adorable video of Gardner and "Abbott Elementary" star 
Quinta Brunson finally meeting - and gushing over each other - at this 
year's Philadelphia Thanksgiving Parade.
https://6abc.com/6abc-thanksgiving-day-parade-jim-gardner-quinta-brunson-abbott-elementary/12490525/
  

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 3:03:31 PM UTC-5 Diner wrote:

> And the station has named Rick Williams - who has been an anchor at 6ABC 
> since 1988 - to be Gardner's successor at 11 pm. 
> Good choice. He's a solid anchor. 
> And I'm glad they stayed with a solo anchor rather than switching to a 
> team.
>
> https://6abc.com/rick-williams-anchoring-action-news-11pm-jim-gardner-last-who-is/11454165/
>
> BTW, the new ABC sitcom "Abbott Elementary" had a scene in which they 
> watch Jim Gardner on the news and fawn over him. Pretty darn funny.
> https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1478040961297047553
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:13:04 PM UTC-5 Diner wrote:
>
>> Great clip:
>> https://twitter.com/RayDunneBTB/status/1458535096885997571
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 3:28:29 PM UTC-5 Diner wrote:
>>
>>> Gardner, lead anchor at 6ABC Action News in Philadelphia and the 
>>> top-rated (by far) anchor in the city for his entire run, has announced he 
>>> will be leaving the 11 pm newscast in January but continue to do the 6 pm 
>>> newscast until his retirement at the end of 2022.
>>>
>>> Gardner is 73 and has been the 6 and 11 pm anchor since 1978, when he 
>>> replaced Larry Kane. 
>>>
>>> I believe he is the last remaining solo anchor in a major market. 
>>>
>>> Oh, and I ran into him once at a car wash.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1458528498503634945
>>>
>>>
>>> https://6abc.com/jim-gardner-retirement-action-news-anchor-6abc-philadelphia-tv-station/11220502/
>>>
>>>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Last Surviving 'Hogan's Heroes' Cast Member Dies at 96

[Diner]

Let's note that Clary was the last surviving *original* cast member. 
Kenneth Washington, who replaced Ivan Dixon in the final season, is still 
with us.
Born in 1946, Washington was also the youngest cast member by far, born 
more than a decade after the next youngest cast member, Larry Hovis. 

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:49:09 PM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> Robert Clary was actually interned in a Nazi concentration camp as a child 
> before he played Cpl. LeBeau on the long-running sitcom--he later pointed 
> out that the camp in the show was a stalag, not a concentration camp, and 
> that the soldiers had it easy compared to those interned in the camps--he 
> later was a regular on several daytime soaps, including "The Young and the 
> Restless" and "Days of Our Lives":
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/robert-clary-dead-hogans-heroes-1235263555/
>
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: RIP: Meanwhile, watermelons rejoice

[Diner]

Great story.

I'll always remember watching Leno in early 1992 (he was still filling in 
for Johnny) when he did a joke that went something like this:
"As a goodwill effort, Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko will be doing 
a tour of the United States next month. That's the good news. The bad news: 
he's opening for Gallagher."

I don't think it got a big laugh from the audience, but I remember Jay 
reacting to the people to his left and right - the joke got a lot of 
laughter from Doc and the band, plus the people offstage.
So even at that point, it was obvious to me that people in show business 
hated Gallagher.

Rob Martinez just posted this story on the Gilbert Gottfried Podcast 
Facebook group:

The date: early 1990s. The place: A Suncoast Motion Picture Company store 
in the Midwest.
My best friend was working behind the counter waiting on a customer with 
two other people standing nearby to check out. Other employees are helping 
other customers in the store - it's a Saturday, it's crowded.
At this moment, Gallagher walks into the store as if he owned the place. He 
looks around waiting to be recognized. Some people look up and recognize 
him but by the comedian's body language, it's not the reception he wanted. 
My friend looks up and sees him but continues to ring up his waiting 
customers.
After one minute, Gallagher raises his voice and yells "DOES ANYONE HERE 
KNOW WHO I AM?" The entire store stopped and looked at the entrance. 
My friend looks up and simply says "Yes, I know you. You're fourth in line 
and when I'm done here, I'll gladly help you."
Gallagher did a complete double-take, turned around, and left the store.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:36:52 AM UTC-5 Dave Sikula wrote:

> A friend of mine posted this story today:
>
> In 1975 I was working stage crew at the theater venue at Knott's Berry 
> Farm. That year the summer show was "Pop Your Buttons" this was an 
> archetype of a theme park show and is like that this was probably the worst 
> thing ever. It was supposed to be a vaudeville review. It was awful. The 
> music was provided by an accordionist sitting on a stool downstate left in 
> front of the main drape. That is how bad it was. And I wore a gorilla 
> suit in part of it. And part of the show was Leo Gallagher.
>
> He had an ongoing walk on bit through the show, and then would do his 
> routine with props and the Sledge-o-Matic. He would put the apple between 
> the patented pans and turn it to applesauce. Then he would say to the 
> audience 'Imagine this with a watermelon' and some laughter ensued. 
>
> So eventually, while looking for amusement, we went out between shows and 
> bought a watermelon. The next show, after he made the watermelon joke, two 
> of our usherettes in pillbox hats roller skated onstage carrying the 
> watermelon. And then for the very first time he smashed up a watermelon. 
> After that he never stopped.
>
> So the watermelon bit was our fault. We did this. You can blame us. It was 
> we who doomed so many poor innocent watermelons. 
>
> It feels good to finally admit to this.
>
>
> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 9:10:14 AM UTC-8 Brad Beam wrote:
>
>> Gallagher (as portrayed by Paul F Tompkins in the Weird Al movie), 76.
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/gallagher-dead-comedian-smashing-watermelons-1235430439/
>>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Kimmel Back on Oscars

[Diner]

Yes, the Moonlighting fiasco was when Cybill Shepherd won the Oscar for 
best actress.


On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:28:11 PM UTC-5 PGage wrote:

> I think this is a good decision, though I know a lot of folks who are 
> still pissed over his focus stealing commitment to shins comedy shtick this 
> year, and who somehow blame him for the Moonlighting fiasco.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 11:27 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
>> As the Academy seems to hint that all of the awards will be given out 
>> live again this year and that there will be no Twitter "fan favorite" poll 
>> (which Musk would probably rig to have a Dinesh D'Souza "documentary" win):
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/oscars-2023-host-jimmy-kimmel-show-abc-1235255340/
>>
>> Mar. 12.  ABC.
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: WDIV Detroit 75th anniversary special

[Diner]

Thanks for this. 
I remember Mort Crim fondly from his days in Philadelphia, so seeing this 
story about the station where he spent most of his career is interesting to 
me.


On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 1:53:57 PM UTC-4 Paul Murray wrote:

> NBC affiliate WDIV (originally WWJ-TV) became Detroit's first TV station 
> 75 years ago, and aired this documentary special about itself last night.
>
> Notably, it is not all nostalgia viewed through rose-colored glasses. The 
> station lost credibility in the 1960's due to dictates from the station's 
> conservative owners who also owned the Detroit News, e.g., no replaying 
> Huntley-Brinkley coverage of Vietnam, downplaying the 1967 riots, and 
> refusing to play Saturday Night Live. In the 1970s, their 6 pm newscast was 
> being beaten by Little Rascals reruns, with ABC affiliate WXYZ-TV 
> dominating. They went through six lead anchors in nine years trying to get 
> out of the cellar.
>
> While they had been grandfathered in to the FCC ruling that newspapers and 
> tv stations could no longer share ownership, they swapped stations with the 
> Washington Post (WTOP) in 1978, and the new management eventually staged a 
> serious turnaround (with assists from a surging NBC and the Detroit Tigers).
>
> Obviously this is primarily of interest to those who know Detroit, but 
> anyone interested in TV of decades ago may appreciate at least some of it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T4p6EwAO1k
>
>

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[TV orNotTV] 'Whose Line' headed to final season

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 Another CW show bites the dust. 
And when it dies, so dies any reason for me to watch the network again.


[image: whose line.JPG]

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[TV orNotTV] Re: If it's Thursday night, it's Philadelphia-Houston

[Diner]

Eagles/Texans will be on FOX29
Phillies/Astros will be on PHL17 (the MyNetwork affiliate)

(Channel 17 used to carry Phillies games back in the last century)


On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:51:52 PM UTC-4 mdnov...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just checked my Kabletown EPG - Eagles/Texans is still slotted for 
> broadcast on FOX29, and the World Series game doesn't appear anywhere on 
> the schedule, so either they're still working out the details, Comcast 
> hasn't updated the EPG, or Phillies fans are just going to have to cram 
> into the Wells Fargo Center and watch on closed circuit.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:24:55 AM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> The "official station" of the Iggles is NBC10, but they've got *all new* L 
>> Thursday... likewise with 6ABC and the Shondaland double + "Alaska 
>> Daily"... that'll just leave now-Nexstar-owned PHL17 to toss "Modern 
>> Family" and "Friends" repeats + the early 6ABC newscast at 10... a 
>> Phiily tweeter  
>> (link) with print-media history thinks the ABC-owned will make the move, 
>> but cautions "...write it in pencil"...
>> B
>>
>> Brad Beam, Oct 31st:
>>
>>> With tonight’s rainout of Game 3 of the World Series (currently tied at 
>>> 1), Game 5 from Philadelphia will now air on Thursday – which is also the 
>>> night Amazon will stream the Eagles-Texans game from Houston.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Of course, the local markets have OTA coverage, but in both cities, it’s 
>>> the Fox O So in Houston, football will shift to sister station KTXH 
>>> (My). Alas, WTXF is a corporate orphan in the City of Brotherly Love, so 
>>> the undefeated Eagles are looking for a place to bunk Thursday night.
>>>
>>

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[TV orNotTV] Leslie Jordan, 67, "Will & Grace" and "Call Me Kat" co-star, killed in car accident

[Diner]

Damn. What a unique talent.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/obituaries-people-news/leslie-jordan-dead-will-and-grace-american-horror-story-1235412784/


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Re: [TV orNotTV] To Explain Those Promos on Colbert This Week...

[Diner]

Yes, except that I doubt we're going to see Emma Watson or Aisha Tyler 
going into the dunk tank like Lynda Carter or Catherine Bach did.

(Although frankly that would be the only way they would to get me to watch.)

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:54:25 PM UTC-4 eas...@eastick.ca wrote:

> This reminds me of Battle of the Network Stars 
>
>
>
> /Doug 
> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 1:29 p.m. Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> I remember when November sweeps meant exciting programming.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:19 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>>
>>> Colbert is hosting "Pickled," a celebrity pickleball tournament to air 
>>> on CBS in prime time Thurs. Nov. 17.  He'll sing the national anthem with 
>>> Kenny Loggins and preside over the events to be played as a benefit for 
>>> Comic Relief US. Among the contestants are Will Ferrell, Aisha Tyler, Emma 
>>> Watson, Tig Notaro, Phil Keoghan and Sugar Ray Leonard, and CBS Sports' 
>>> Cari Champion and Bill Raftery will call the action, along with John 
>>> MIchael Higgins, who better not be repeating any of his lines from 
>>> "Licorice Pizza":
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theblendnow.com/cbs-announces-16-celebrities-competing-on-sports-special-pickled/
>>>
>>> Funny or Die is doing the actual production, with Evie listed as an 
>>> executive producer along with her husband.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie review: the real love boat

[Diner]

"You lost your wife to the fat kid from 'Stand By Me.'" 
- Greg Giraldo to John Stamos, at the Bob Saget Roast


On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 6:11:43 PM UTC-4 Jim Ellwanger wrote:

> Jerry O'Connell had a very good attorney present when he made his deal 
> with the devil.
>
> On Oct 6, 2022, at 3:05 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>
> *The (Real) Love Boat*
> *Soon you'll be getting an STD...*
> *The (Real) Love Boat...*
> *How is Rebecca with Jerry O'C...?*
>
> (No, seriously, how?  I've NEVER understood that relationship.)
>
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 10:41:18 PM UTC-4 eas...@eastick.ca 
> wrote:
>
>> Take an old intellectual property,  mix with any 'love' reality show, add 
>> some special gimmicks, cameo by Isaac, and other things = The Real Love 
>> Boat.
>>
>> It came on after Survivor,  and we were intrigued so we stuck with it.
>> Some parts actually funny.Even more hilarious that the contestants 
>> eliminated are left on the dock in a port.
>>
>>
>>  I often avoid these romance reality shows, but this one might be campy 
>> or funny enough to give it a few more episodes. 
>>
>> I have set the TiVo to record it. 
>>
>>
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Al Primo, 87, creator of the "Eyewitness News" format

[Diner]

https://www.inquirer.com/news/al-primo-obituary-20220930.html
Al Primo, creator of ‘Eyewitness News,’ has died at 87
He modernized TV news and diversified newsrooms across the U.S.
by Layla A. Jones
Published Sep 30, 2022

Albert “Al” Primo, 87, who transformed television news when he created the 
now-ubiquitous Eyewitness News format, died Thursday, Sept. 29, at his home 
in Old Greenwich, Conn.

Mr. Primo launched Eyewitness News at Philadelphia’s KYW-TV, now CBS3, in 
1965 as the station’s 30-year-old news director. Mr. Primo’s makeover of 
the TV news format ushered in an era of record viewership and profits for 
the medium and changed America’s relationship with local news.

Diverting from the static, newsreader format of the day, which featured a 
sole, middle-aged white anchor, Mr. Primo created a beat system and hired 
women and people of color for the first time.

He paired men and women to anchor together, creating the first “family” of 
local news people.

“They said ‘it was not journalism’ and ‘he’s using show-business 
techniques,’ ” Mr. Primo told The Inquirer earlier this year of critics who 
challenged his strategy. “And of course, I said, ‘Yes, that’s right. This 
is television, so we use lights, camera, action — that’s what we do.’ But 
we do the news, too.”

Integral to Mr. Primo’s vision were newsrooms that looked more like the 
communities they were covering. Soon after taking a top role at KYW-TV, he 
began meeting with civic leaders in Philadelphia.

“What it did for me was really highlight the fact that there was no 
minority representation on the station,” Mr. Primo said. “And so I began to 
look around for someone who was qualified to join the team.”

The young newsman then recruited Trudy Haynes, the first African American 
television reporter in the city. Haynes died in June at 95.

“It took a lot of courage to take a radio reporter from Detroit and put her 
in Philadelphia, the fourth biggest city in America,” Mr. Primo recently 
told The Inquirer of hiring Haynes.

>From mailroom to mogul
With his success in Philadelphia pushing him into the national spotlight, 
Mr. Primo moved to New York City’s WABC-TV in 1968, and unrolled the 
Eyewitness News format there.

In New York, he gave big names like Geraldo Rivera their start.

Building on his successful approach to television news, Mr. Primo innovated 
again when he became a news consultant, inventing an entirely new media 
profession and spreading the Eyewitness News format to more than 100 
stations across the world.

His brainchild emphasized action on video, the perception that reporters 
were always on the scene when news was breaking, the familial coanchor 
arrangement with quippy banter, music, and graphics, and a more narrative 
storytelling approach. These elements still define local TV news stations 
across the country and some national TV news programs.

Later in life, he created Teen Kids News, a children’s television program 
that still airs and publishes online today.

A Pittsburgh native, Mr. Primo began his journey to media mogul in the 
mailroom of a local television station and worked his way up to assistant 
news director. Frustrated by lack of promotion to news director, he left 
first for Cleveland before coming to Philadelphia.

Once he arrived, pioneering female broadcaster Marciarose Shestack helped 
Mr. Primo launch Eyewitness News.

”What I can tell you about Al is he really revolutionized the news 
business,” she said, noting that his death came as a “shock.” Shestack 
emphasized Mr. Primo’s drive to hire people of color like Haynes and 
prominent newspaper columnist Claude Lewis, who was Black. “He was a very 
dynamic personality,” she said. “He was forward looking.”

“We’re so proud of my dad and the advancements he did for women and 
minorities and we’re so heartbroken. I knew him as dad and he was a great 
one,” daughter Juliet Primo told The Inquirer.

In addition to Juliet, Mr. Primo is survived by another daughter, Valeri 
Primo Lack, and other relatives.

Services are tentatively planned for Saturday, Oct. 8, at First 
Congregational Church in Old Greenwich, Conn.

Published Sept. 30, 2022
Layla A. Jones

© 2022 The Philadelphia Inquirer, LLC

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chase Leaving 'Community'

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Brown and McHale did an episode of "Password" together a few weeks ago, so 
clearly they are still friends. I still have hopes she'll be in the movie.

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:17:41 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> Been rewatching this series. It holds up better than I thought it would. 
> I’m up to the season where Chase was filmed separately from others and just 
> cut in to make it look like he was there. Ultimately, removing him from the 
> show was not a significant loss. Not having Brown or Glover for the movie 
> would be sad. 
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:47 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> "The new flick will be written by series creator Dan Harmon 
>> , and will return many of the 
>> original stars: McHale, Pudi, Alison Brie 
>>  (Annie Eddison), Gillian 
>> Jacobs  (Britta Perry), Jim 
>> Rash  (Craig Pelton), and Ken 
>> Jeong  (Ben Chang)."
>>
>> Chase not returning is no great loss (especially since is character was 
>> killed off). Was hoping to see either Donald Glover or Yvette Nicole Brown 
>> on this list, but I guess you can't win 'em all.
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:43:58 AM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
>>
>>> And I'll venture to guess he won't be involved in the made-for-Peacock 
>>> movie that was just announced...
>>> https://consequence.net/2022/09/community-movie-peacock/ (link)
>>> B
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries, Nov 21st *2012*:
>>>
 By mutual agreement, to no one's surprise--he won't be seen in the last 
 few episodes of what will probably be the NBC sitcom's last season:


 https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en=navclient#inbox/13b22430f5867253

 For the record, "Community"'s back Feb. 7, although the fanboiz won't 
 believe it until they see it.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Quantum Leap reboot

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All I've seen is the trailer. It looks slick and cool, but...
So he's being chased through 1985 Philadelphia by 1980s-vintage 
Philadelphia police cars. So far, so good. But... the street has palm trees 
on it! And the cars spin out in front of a building marked "Children's Home 
Society of California"! Huh?

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:31:31 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 8:11 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> Some of that might be an extra big budget to make the pilot pop. They’ll 
>> probably cut back on the CGI in future episodes.
>>
>
> What I think is the CGI is meant to reduce the show’s dependence on a 
> studio backlot or, Heaven forbid, location shooting. But I believe the lack 
> of realia affects an actor’s performance. I have the same criticism of Star 
> Trek: Strange New Worlds. Give me a cardboard set from the 1960s any day 
> over a green or blue screen creation. 
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> The CGI is distracting… there are too many sets and effects that aren’t 
>>> practical. It’s a decent first story, but the cast seems to have been 
>>> chosen more for diversity than for talent. That said, Raymond Lee has the 
>>> potential to be a good lead. It is not as bad as it could have been, but it 
>>> is also not as good as it could have been.
>>>
>>> Streaming on the Peacock 
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[TV orNotTV] Re: To quote Barack Obama, “We got him!”

[Diner]

That article is dated October 10, 2015.


On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:16:25 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> Yep, Randy Quaid is finally in custody. Our long national nightmare is 
> finally over.
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/randy-quaid-taken-custody-trying-831194/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Of course he went there: Oliver rips D!ck Wolf

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Interesting to see this now. I'm catching up on the last season of "L: 
Organized Crime" - I have 4 or 5 episodes to finish before it expires from 
Hulu in a week - and I am finding the story arc about police corruption and 
the officers' Mafia-like code of silence surprisingly critical of the 
police. (Though the criticism is directed at rank-and-file officers, not 
the police administration.) Not to mention the recurring plotline about 
Sergeant Bell's wife suing the NYPD for police brutality.

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 10:35:39 AM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> And to anyone who would say "If Dick Wolf worked for WBD, would Oliver say 
> anything?"--yes, he would.  Going back to his many shots at "Entourage."  
> There are probably those who are wishing he'd start attacking Bill Maher, 
> except that are also those who think it would be a staged feud.
>
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>
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>
>> Dude, it's scripted television. Nobody will watch if the script truly 
>> reflects reality. Deal with it. 
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/john-oliver-law-and-order-dick-wolf-police-portayal-1235217673/
>>  (link)  
>>B 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, HM Queen Elizabeth II

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Wow, they read Twitter and Facebook too. ;-)

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 8:46:08 AM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:

> *From:* tvor...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Kevin M.
>
> *>*Multiple news outlets streaming coverage of the death of the Queen 
> have titled or tagged their coverage with the words “Live update.” I’m a 
> terrible person, too, because that makes me laugh. 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> This morning’s *Charleston Gazette-Mail* has us all beat. The headline?
>
>  
>
> “Charles in charge”
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Emmy Winners: Academy Prefers Thanks by Chyron

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They tried that at the 2016 Oscars, and it didn't work. A scroll at the 
bottom said "Alicia Vikander would like to thank..." and a bunch of names - 
but she thanked them all verbally anyway. And she wasn't alone.


On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 3:23:32 PM UTC-4 PGage wrote:

> I would welcome moving the thanking of the winner’s various employees and 
> retainers to CC, but not the shortening of speeches themselves. While there 
> are occasional abuses, an Awards show is basically about the acceptance 
> speeches. If you are not wanting to feature those, then just announce the 
> Winners on Twitter.
>
> I would like to see the evidence that suggests that ratings are down due 
> to the show going 15 min over. That pressure has always been coming from 
> East Coast affiliates. 
>
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 at 10:05 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
>> In the never-ending attempt to speed up the awards show a week from 
>> tomorrow night and get off by 11 p.m., the Television Academy is requesting 
>> that nominees submit their thank-you lists in advance to run as a lower 
>> third during their speech (350 characters maximum, can include telling the 
>> kids to go to bed) and if they do run over the 45 seconds, the producers 
>> are threatening to cut off the next winners early to stay on time:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/emmys-winner-thank-yous-advance-speeches-1235211562/
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[TV orNotTV] Re: He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named to Host 'Wheel Live'

[Diner]

Mark L. Walberg left "Antiques Roadshow" in 2019. Since 2020 the show has 
not had an onscreen host. Announcer Coral Peña has filled Walberg's duties, 
though she is billed as narrator rather than host.

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> The former "American Idol" contestant who we hope is still beloved by our 
> Melissa will be splitting off a tour of the long-running game show 
> (inspired no doubt by the "Price is Right Live" touring show) with 
> journeyman emcee Mark L. Walberg (currently "Antiques Roadshow").  Clay's 
> first gig will be Oct. 13 in Portland, Me. and will go until Nov. 30 in 
> Sioux Falls, S.D.  Details below and you do not have to buy a ticket to 
> sign up to be a contestant on the show:
>
> https://www.wheeloffortunelive.com/
>
> Since the current contract will probably be Pat and Vanna's last contract 
> with the show, would Clay be under consideration to be Pat's replacement?  
> Hm...
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[TV orNotTV] Jeff Garlin's character gets killed off on "The Goldbergs"

[Diner]

*On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:35:19 PM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:*

*WEDNESDAY:*
*8:00--The Conners (new time)*
*8:30--The Goldbergs (new time)--With any luck, Jeff Garlin's character 
should be dead.*


Well, it's our lucky day. Or more precisely, theirs.

https://ew.com/tv/the-goldbergs-season-10-preview-murray-dead-new-baby/


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[TV orNotTV] Re: Another wardrobe malfunction at VMAs

[Diner]

They've been on Fallon a couple times. The second time, their bassist was 
ill, so Fallon himself played bass for them.


On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 8:30:24 AM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Camerapeople averted a Janet-like sitch with Måneskin's bassist losing her 
> top during a performance of "Supermodel," yet didn't bat an eyelash at the 
> lead singer's lack of a seat in his pants... hat-tip 
> AmericanSongwriter.com: https://youtu.be/qtBTXtLcZIw (link)
>
> Weren't these folks on at least one late-night show? B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "The Worst Series Finales of All Time"

[Diner]

The critiques of Northern Exposure and Scrubs are criticisms of the final 
seasons, not the final episodes, and thus should not be on the list.
As for the others, well, my reaction to the Gilmore Girls finale was WAY 
different.
And as one of the commenters noted, the final Castle was one of those "what 
the hell just happened?" moments.

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:12:56 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:21 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> While it's hard to argue most of the selections, I disagree with the 
>> presence of "Quantum Leap" on this list, as the episode in question was 
>> never intended to be a series finale, but ended up being one because NBC 
>> was dicks and the only thing the EPs could do was slap a hastily-prepared 
>> title card on the end of the episode (so hastily, that their protagonist's 
>> name is spelled wrong).
>>
>> While I agree with "Scrubs" actual finale being on the list, I feel like 
>> that should exist in its own category, because had ABC not insisted on the 
>> 9th season, the 8th season finale (literally titled "My Finale", FFS) would 
>> have gone down in history as one of the best sitcom finales of all time.
>>
>
> As you said, many of the finales listed were merely, as with Quantum Leap, 
> Lois and Clark, and Scrubs, final episodes of a season of shows not 
> renewed. I don’t fault them as much as the ones written as a series finale. 
>
> Almost as bad was my favorite series “Moonlighting” which took a basic 
> episode then slapped a few minutes at the end to give the illusion of a 
> finale. No finale at all would’ve been better. MacGyver did the same only 
> worse with just a 30 second voiceover. 
>
> I’d list Star Trek Voyager’s finale as among the worst. It took six 
> posthumous novels to really explore what it would have meant for the crew 
> to return to their own Galaxy and the aftermath of everything they did to, 
> for, and with the Borg.
>
> Also on the list should be the entire final season of The West Wing, which 
> bore little to no resemblance to the first several years of the series and 
> offered only the most superficial character resolution… some characters 
> were changed entirely to the point even the actors admit they were lost in 
> how to portray them. Between that and the death of a cast member, the 
> finale was basically the characters as mindless zombies. 
>
> I disliked the series Dinosaurs but for what the show was, the finale was 
> superb and extremely daring for a show of that time.
>
> The reboot of Battlestar Galactica was so poorly written that there was no 
> hope that the series finale would be good, so it probably scores points for 
> not being as bad as it could have been. 
>
> We’ve been rewatching House the last couple months (annoyed they didn’t 
> secure the rights to the theme song for streaming distribution). Once the 
> series had the “Survivor” season where House picked a new team, the series 
> suffered a catastrophic decline. So although the finale was bad, by that 
> point the whole series was bad. 
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-4 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Variety's list of the worst series finales:
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/lists/worst-series-finales-ever/1235346338/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Inside Jeopardy podcast

[Diner]

I do recall that when Katie Couric was hosting she did not seem to be 
writing anything down, and I wondered how she was able to keep track of 
what was going on.

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 2:39:31 PM UTC-4 Jim Ellwanger wrote:

> Alex's system was that he had, basically, a printout of all the clues on 
> the board on one large sheet of paper, and he would use a marker or grease 
> pencil to cross out each clue after it was used. (If I recall correctly, if 
> you go to a taping, you can see one of these used sheets on display in the 
> studio lobby.)  I'd obviously be interested to know which guest host 
> couldn't handle that.
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2022, at 11:33 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
> From this week’s episode:
>
> They announced last week that the Tournament of Champions will start on 
> October 31. They got feedback from concerned viewers that the November 8 
> episode will be pre-empted for election coverage. The producers decided to 
> air a special episode on that day instead. There was an issue with the last 
> tournament with the first to win three games format. TV listings and DVRs 
> gave away the actual number of games played in advance. This happened 
> during the prime time GOAT Tournament. They said for this ToC the listings 
> will read “Game 4 (if necessary), etc. And since the tournament will air in 
> Jeopardy’s usual time slot DVRs are going to record it anyway.
>
> Most of the episode was an interview with the co-head writers. The 
> interesting things I got out of that were in the old days when the board 
> was made up of placards, they kept category names simple so they could 
> reuse the placards. That’s why potent potables would come up so often. When 
> they switched to video screens they could be much more flexible with 
> category names.
>
> The other thing was that Alex came up with a way to keep track of what was 
> going on in the game. If you recall watching him, he would make a check 
> mark on something on his lectern after each response. The producers had 
> already been working with a vendor for a new system and when one of the 
> guest hosts proved simply unable to use Alex’s system they stopped tape, 
> put in the new system, and started tape again. They never went back to the 
> old system.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "Password": Rapid review

[Diner]

I just saw episode 2, and there's a feature that didn't turn up in episode 
1 called the Redemption Round. 
If a contestant doesn't get all ten words in the bonus round, they then 
have a chance to double their winnings on one word. The contestant gives 
one clue, then puts on noise-canceling headphones and turns around. The two 
celebs then have 30 seconds to decide between them what their guess is. The 
contestant is then asked what the password is, and if the celebs were 
correct, the prize is doubled.
In this case, the contestant didn't win the $25K grand prize, but he was 
able to double his winnings from $8K to $16K.
It's way too drawn-out, but it's not a bad feature. 

Episode 2 also featured Fallon accidentally blurting out the password at 
one point... just like his "Tonight" predecessor Jack Paar did repeatedly.


On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> Pray that if the show gets renewed, Fallon will be too busy with other 
> things.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotl...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:15 PM Jon Delfin  wrote:
>
>> If I read a thing this morning correctly, you'll be waiting a very long 
>> time for
>> an episode without Fallon.  
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 5:06 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, game play moved fast enough. My problem with prime time game shows 
>>> has been the way they get stretched out and Password doesn’t have that 
>>> issue. I’ll have to wait until there’s an episode without Fallon (good 
>>> player but way too much excess energy) and watch again.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 2:10 PM Diner  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I liked it. It's got some kinks to work out, and the game (and the 
>>>> host) are too hyper for their own good, but for a premiere I can let that 
>>>> slide. 
>>>> (Haven't seen episode 2 yet.)
>>>>
>>>> But I could do without the rehearsed, fake-shocked "oh" reaction 
>>>> from the audience every time the password was announced. Even Jon Hamm was 
>>>> like "c'mon!"
>>>> (That crap ruined the Jane Krakowski "Name That Tune" for me - why was 
>>>> the audience shocked that somebody said "I can name that tune in three 
>>>> notes"?)
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 1:49:06 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I watched the first one and my only comment is on classic Password you 
>>>>> could imagine the celebrities and contestants sitting in the green room 
>>>>> before the show and studying thesauruses, and before this version you can 
>>>>> imagine them sitting there and binging on cocaine. There was a lot of 
>>>>> energy expended out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 1:39 PM M-D November  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't watched yet, but it's nice to see a return to classic 
>>>>>> gameplay after the atrocity that was Regis' "Million Dollar Password".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:12 PM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gameplay: Ludden classic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tiebreaker: “Super”/”Plus” puzzle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bonus round: tag-team Alphabetics, with replacement clues (first 
>>>>>>> half only)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The password is… hour-long?!
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "Password": Rapid review

[Diner]

I liked it. It's got some kinks to work out, and the game (and the host) 
are too hyper for their own good, but for a premiere I can let that slide. 
(Haven't seen episode 2 yet.)

But I could do without the rehearsed, fake-shocked "oh" reaction from 
the audience every time the password was announced. Even Jon Hamm was like 
"c'mon!"
(That crap ruined the Jane Krakowski "Name That Tune" for me - why was the 
audience shocked that somebody said "I can name that tune in three notes"?)

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 1:49:06 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:

> I watched the first one and my only comment is on classic Password you 
> could imagine the celebrities and contestants sitting in the green room 
> before the show and studying thesauruses, and before this version you can 
> imagine them sitting there and binging on cocaine. There was a lot of 
> energy expended out there.
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 1:39 PM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> I haven't watched yet, but it's nice to see a return to classic gameplay 
>> after the atrocity that was Regis' "Million Dollar Password".
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:12 PM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:
>>
>>> Gameplay: Ludden classic
>>>
>>> Tiebreaker: “Super”/”Plus” puzzle
>>>
>>> Bonus round: tag-team Alphabetics, with replacement clues (first half 
>>> only)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The password is… hour-long?!
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Inside Jeopardy podcast

[Diner]

No, it was "And now, here is the host of Jeopardy, Alex Trebek!"
Same intro Johnny is doing now for Mayim, just a different name.

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:50:12 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 10:39 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> The first episode of the Inside Jeopardy podcast dropped on Monday. It 
>> had the insecure vibe most first episodes do so it’s hard to say if the 
>> podcast will be worth listening to. The podcast seems geared for people who 
>> follow Jeopardy on social media more than those who just like to watch the 
>> show. They’re also building up the Jeopardy YouTube channel, this week 
>> starting to add a <2 minute highlights video for the previous night’s show.
>>
>> Announcements: the Tournament of Champions will have a new format though 
>> they gave no details as to what it will be. There will be a Second Chance 
>> Tournament where 18 players who lost but who had good advance stats will 
>> compete for 2 ToC slots. Each week will start with 9 players and end with 
>> one.
>> Last season Mayim was introduced as the host of Jeopardy and Ken was 
>> introduced as hosting Jeopardy. That was a result of the way the contracts 
>> were done. In the upcoming season both will be introduced as the host of 
>> Jeopardy.
>>
>
> I believe they used to say “Here’s your host… Alex Trebek!” 
>
> I believe they should change it to “Here’s a host…” and not name a name… 
> the host du jour can just walk out and the gameplay can begin. 
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Russell

[Diner]

He also did a funny turn as the sidekick/Oddjob to bad guy Ricardo 
Montalban on a 1968 episode of "It Takes a Thief."

Heck, he even hosted SNL! He was The Black Shadow!

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 3:58:35 PM UTC-4 PGage wrote:

>
> Dead at 88. I’m going to go ahead and give him his own thread here, not 
> just because he was the biggest star in the early phase of the NBA’s 
> television history, but because he was a high impact Analyst for, as I 
> recall, both ABC and CBS’s coverage of the NBA in the 70s. He was much 
> maligned in some quarters in that role, but if I, a tied in the purple and 
> gold fanatic, could appreciate him, I think he was doing something right.
>
> Also, of course, one of the most courageous and effective of civil and 
> human rights fighters produced by professional sports.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/31/sports/basketball/bill-russell-dead.html?referringSource=articleShare
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tony Dow near death

[Diner]

And now it's official.
https://www.facebook.com/TonyDowActorDirector/posts/pfbid0ZrqHaW2DbWmo7UcSM37goqzJBnyiLHJQM2ofFtwjP6d2pBHeYN4gmjihxiLyZXBl

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 11:34:37 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> This is going to be a little hard on the Beaver 
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 5:24 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> His managers jumped the gun, but as of late this afternoon West Coast 
>> time the actor-turned-director-turned sculptor, 77, is still on a 
>> respirator... he's been through years of depression, a brief bout with 
>> pneumonia, and now an unidentified cancer...
>>
>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/leave-beaver-star-tony-dow-180251910.html
>>  (link)
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: US Would I Lie to You

[Diner]

I've seen all 13 episodes, but had not been exposed to the foreign versions.

My overall verdict: it's okay. It's not a horrible way to spend a half 
hour, but it doesn't really grab me as much as I would like.

My biggest problem with it is that it's edited within an inch of its life, 
and it feels so rushed that I'm very conscious that a lot is missing. 
That's a big difference between this show and Whose Line - they're both 
heavily edited, but on Whose Line I never feel as if I'm missing anything.
On Would I Lie to You, the first round has the four guest panelists telling 
a story, but because of time and commercial limitations they usually only 
fit in three of the stories. (Sometimes excerpts of the fourth story are 
shown during the closing credits.) This week Krysta Rodriguez's story was 
cut, and as a result she barely registered as a presence. 
And then at the end of the first act Aasif says "Sabrina's team is in the 
lead" and I think "Well, of course they are, we only saw 3 of the 4 
stories." (And what are they leading by? 3 to 1? 4 to 0?)

I agree with your comments about Richard Kind, Michael Ian Black and Allie 
Wentworth. All excellent panelists.
And I do like their use of New York stage actors like Dylan Baker, Becky 
Ann Baker, Laura Benanti and Nikki M. James - it reminds me of how 
Goodson-Todman used stage actors so extensively on their New York panel 
shows.

-Tim

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:42:18 PM UTC-4 David Bruggeman wrote:

> I finished the 13th episode this past weekend.  While I can't confirm it, 
> I am assuming that the season had a 13-episode order.  I've heard nothing 
> about a renewal, but I think the CW would be willing to take a chance on it 
> to join "Whose Line" and its magic shows.
>
> For the most part, my initial reactions haven't changed much.  I prefer 
> the British show, but this is certainly enjoyable.  I think if you compared 
> the first season of the British show to the first season of the US show 
> that the gap would be smaller.
>
> The US show has kind of standardized it's episodes.  But the half hour 
> with commercials is still a little too short.  They get in four stories on 
> average.
>
> Generally speaking, the few non-comedians or non-actors that have appeared 
> have been non-entities.  The actors do better, but can be hit or miss.
>
> While the US captains don't have the David Mitchell - Lee Mack 
> relationship on screen, they do pretty well.  Aasif Mandvi has grown into 
> the host role.  I still think Richard Kind would be a natural regular on 
> the show.  I'd add Michael Ian Black and Allie Wentworth to that list, as 
> both shined (IMO) in their episodes.
>
> Regards,
> David
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Adam Wade, 87 - R.I.P.

[Diner]

Wow, that's news to me! Thanks.

On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> Well, he did. The long-running PBS series "Black Journal" (aka "Tony 
> Brown's Journal") had in the 1975-76 season a quiz segment called "Can You 
> Dig It?" originally hosted by Nipsey Russell. He was unable to continue the 
> segment and was replaced by Mr. Wade. The segment was dropped after that 
> season, but Mr. Wade did get to host a game show segment after "Musical 
> Chairs."
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022, 4:19 PM Diner  wrote:
>
>> As a singer, he had three top ten hits in 1961. 
>> As an actor, he had a long list of credits on TV and stage. 
>> And as a scientist, he worked as a lab assistant to Dr. Jonas Salk on the 
>> polio vaccine - an accomplishment that landed him a spot as the central 
>> character on a 1960 episode of "To Tell the Truth."
>> But to people like me who grew up watching game shows in the 1970s, he 
>> will always be remembered as the suave, smiling host of "Musical Chairs" 
>> (CBS, June 1975 - October 1975). A mediocre format, alas, but he was an 
>> excellent host. 
>> After the show quickly flopped, he never got a second chance to be an 
>> emcee. But his place in history as the first African-American game show 
>> host is secure.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/adam.wade.16906/posts/pfbid0H31aarJAdM8z9sFJg1onqxMpC8Q83isxuk2GJgM4P1miFf8oNuyHtg2ycmV7Jn62l
>> Adam Wade
>> Friday, July 8, 2022 at 10:35 PM
>> It is with deep sadness that we inform you of the passing of our husband, 
>> father, brother, friend, Adam Wade. Arrangements are being made for his 
>> memorial and we will keep you updated; it is a great loss for everyone who 
>> knew and loved him. 
>> Please keep our family in your prayers. 
>> With deep sorrow, 
>> The Wade Family ❤
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[TV orNotTV] Adam Wade, 87 - R.I.P.

[Diner]

As a singer, he had three top ten hits in 1961. 
As an actor, he had a long list of credits on TV and stage. 
And as a scientist, he worked as a lab assistant to Dr. Jonas Salk on the 
polio vaccine - an accomplishment that landed him a spot as the central 
character on a 1960 episode of "To Tell the Truth."
But to people like me who grew up watching game shows in the 1970s, he will 
always be remembered as the suave, smiling host of "Musical Chairs" (CBS, 
June 1975 - October 1975). A mediocre format, alas, but he was an excellent 
host. 
After the show quickly flopped, he never got a second chance to be an 
emcee. But his place in history as the first African-American game show 
host is secure.


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Adam Wade
Friday, July 8, 2022 at 10:35 PM
It is with deep sadness that we inform you of the passing of our husband, 
father, brother, friend, Adam Wade. Arrangements are being made for his 
memorial and we will keep you updated; it is a great loss for everyone who 
knew and loved him. 
Please keep our family in your prayers. 
With deep sorrow, 
The Wade Family ❤

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[TV orNotTV] Larry Storch, 99 - R.I.P.

[Diner]

https://www.facebook.com/LARRYSTORCHSPAGE/posts/pfbid02yGq4DQSgcXvVBgGhNUaV1svGxzAq4QTsGbRPbcRdRc3eHjiN9EaQ6Ty2mSK9rWyZl

Larry Storch
Friday, July 8, 2022 at 9:30 AM

It is with the heaviest of hearts that we share with you the news our 
beloved Larry passed away in his sleep overnight. We are shocked and at a 
loss for words at the moment. Please remember he loved each and every one 
of you and wouldn’t want you to cry over his passing. He is reunited with 
his wife Norma and his beloved F Troop cast and so many friends and family.

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[TV orNotTV] ‘Why Women Kill’ Canceled at Paramount+ Despite Season 3 Renewal

[Diner]

My friend Kerry O'Malley is a semi-regular on this show. She just posted on 
Facebook: "I was on my way to Vancouver on Tuesday to shoot three 
episodes Heartbreaking. I love these people and this show. We did table 
reads of 301 and 302 this week and I was so delighted with this season’s 
premise and the cast they put together. This business is just so hard."

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/why-women-kill-canceled-paramount-plus-1235307752/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Peacock Ends Xfinity Affinity

[Diner]

Uh oh, I better finish watching those last few Harry Potter movies QUICK!

On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 10:22:41 AM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:

> In discussions I heard about consolidation among streaming platforms 
> Peacock is the one ripest for takeover because so much of their subscriber 
> base is unpaid from Comcast. I’m a little surprised that they are going to 
> end the free subscriptions and plow more money into content.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Ron Casalotti  wrote:
>
>> Comcast proud as a peacock to announce tiered pay model for all.
>>
>> Variety: Comcast to End Peacock Premium Free Promotion for Xfinity 
>> Customers.
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/comcast-ending-peacock-premium-free-xfinity-1235293778/
>>
>> Ron from NJ
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Late-night's Covid roster complete

[Diner]

Colbert mentioned last night - at the end of a segment where Jon Batiste 
did the Colbert Questionert - that Jon will be taking the rest of the 
summer off ("for personal time... for the best of reasons," Colbert said), 
with Louis Cato leading the band until September.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 7:50:08 AM UTC-4 Jon Delfin wrote:

> On Wed, May 18, 2022, 5:27 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Colbert also mentioned that Batiste will be out until he's done filming 
>> "The Color Purple," so it's probably a combination of those two and what I 
>> assume will be his eventual departure. There's also a new enclosure around 
>> the bandstand that one assumes will come down when there's a piano.
>>
>> In other news, Armisen is back on drums in 8G this week after a long 
>> absence.
>>
>
> Marnie Stern still missing and unaccounted for; full credits ran Monday 
> night, but the slide identifying the band was skipped. 
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Rene Auberjonois

[Diner]

Died two and a half years ago.
I remember being at my friend's Christmas party when the news popped up on 
my phone.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 6:42:29 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> Best known as Odo on ST: DS9
>
> Also memorable as the original of the chaplain in the movie M*A*S*H*
>
> https://www.startrek.com/news/rene-auberjonois-1940-2019
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[TV orNotTV] Re: The Last (?) CW Fall Annotated

[Diner]

And not to be confused with the CBS series "Family Law" (1999-2002) 
starring Kathleen Quinlan.
(And running in repeats on Start TV at one time, though it's not in their 
current rotation.)

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 3:21:23 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> Is this one drawing "Arrested Development" comparisons? B
>
> Mark Jeffries, in part, May 19th:
>
>> SUNDAY IS HOSER NIGHT, EH?:
>> 8:00--FAMILY LAW--A law firm run by a dysfunctional family takes cases 
>> involving other dysfunctional families.  This drama just finished its 
>> second season on Canada's Global and stars Victor Garber and C-Dub fave 
>> Jewel Staite.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS Fall Annotated

[Diner]

I still watch L (original flavor) and L: Organized Crime. The current 
L cast is really good, and the energy they're bringing to their roles has 
really refreshed the franchise. Anthony Anderson's Detective Bernard was 
rather nondescript on the old series, but now he's playing the role with a 
take-no-crap attitude, seething at every little micro-aggression from the 
witnesses he interviews, and even from his unenlightened partner (Jeffrey 
Donovan).  
As for Organized Crime, I still like it, though it doesn't work as well 
without a love-to-hate villain like Dylan McDermott. (Turning McDermott 
from a mob boss into a Bond villain out to destroy the city was way over 
the top.) And I get a kick out of Ainsley Seiger as Sloot. 
I watched "FBI" a few times when a friend guest starred, but it was really 
a chore. The formula already seemed worn out the first time I watched. 

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 1:41:18 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:30 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> For the record, Dick Wolf now has three full nights of prime time 
>> programming across 2 networks (FBI on CBS, L & Chicago on NBC). Two more 
>> and he gets a free sandwich at the NBC Commissary.
>
>
> Three more and he gets two free sandwiches. 
>
> Seriously, all those shows, and none of them watchable 
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> PAGE 2:
>>>
>>> In mid-season, there'll be the new TV version of "True Lies," with Steve 
>>> Howey playing the Ahnld role.  James Cameron's listed as a producer, but I 
>>> think he's got all those "Avatar" movies to make.  From Disney's 20th.
>>>
>>> Also mid-season or sooner in the unscripted front will be "Super Fan," 
>>> where contestants are tested on their knowledge of a music star and said 
>>> star shows up to do a song or two (bookings include Gloria Estefan, CBS 
>>> star LL Cool J, Shania Twain and Pitbull, papi).  CBS NFL analyst and 
>>> "Mornings" host Nate Burleson hosts with Keltie Knight of "ET."  In 
>>> addition, there's the reboot of "Lingo" with your host RuPaul, which will 
>>> shoot on the set of the UK version in Manchester suburb Salford (RuPaul is 
>>> also hosting a prime time celebrity edition of the UK version on ITV, which 
>>> must piss off regular host Adil Ray).  They will both join returning "Tough 
>>> as Nails" and "Secret Celebrity Renovation" on the docket.
>>>
>>> And CBS is getting back into the made-for-TV business, unfortunately 
>>> with three Hallmark Channel-ly Christmas movies, one produced by Sheryl 
>>> Crow, another starring "Talk" co-host Amanda Kloots.
>>>
>>> Tomorrow--see The CW shrink before your very eyes!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:28:12 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>>
 Sorry to hear Kimmel still has COVID.

 From Variety, you know the rest:

 MONDAY:
 8:00--The Neighborhood
 8:30--Bob Hearts Abishola (one of only two Chuck Lorre series left)
 9:00--NCIS
 10:00--NCIS Hawaii

 TUESDAY IS DICK WOLF NIGHT:
 8:00--FBI
 9:00--FBI International
 10:00--FBI Most Wanted

 WEDNESDAY:
 8:00--Survivor
 9:00--The Amazing Race
 10:00--THE REAL LOVE BOAT--As posted earlier, it's a dating show set on 
 an actual Princess Cruise line ship (like the original series).  No hosts 
 announced yet and I wonder if a laugh track will be put on.  From 
 recently-acquired by Fremantle Eureka ("Holy Moley") from Paramount Global 
 IP.

 THURSDAY:
 8:00--Young Sheldon
 8:30--Ghosts (new time)
 9:00--SO HELP ME TODD--It sounds like a sitcom, but actually it's a 
 legal drama about the scruffy title investigator (Skyler Astin) working 
 for 
 his attorney mom (Marcia Gay Harden).  She's going to try to straighten 
 him 
 out, but probably not.  Oh no, Dr. Phil's a producer of this in-house.
 10:00--CSI Vegas (new time, Billy Petersen's not coming back)

 FRIDAY:
 8:00--SWAT (new time)
 9:00--FIRE COUNTRY--Drama about a prison release firefighting program 
 in northern California wildfire country.  Jerry Bruckheimer is a producer 
 on this in-house.
 10:00--Blue Bloods

 SATURDAY:
 8:00--Reruns
 10:00--48 Hours

 SUNDAY:
 7:00--60 Minutes
 8:00--The Equalizer
 9:00--EAST NEW YORK--What looks like a cop show for a "Defund the 
 Police" world, this show is set in a gentrifying Brooklyn precinct and 
 follows the diverse people assigned there.  An ensemble cast includes 
 Jimmy 
 Smits, Tony winner Ruben Santiago-Hudson and Richard Kind.  CBS says "from 
 an executive producer of 'NYPD Blue,'" but Bochco is dead.  From Warners.
 10:00--NCIS LA (new time)

 The rest will be in a separate post, thanks to two instances of 
 accidental deletion.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Late-night's Covid roster complete

[Diner]

Kimmel tests positive again.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jimmy-kimmel-tests-positive-covid-001610569.html


On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 2:53:45 PM UTC-4 pbrownpbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Trevor Noah's "Gogo" (grandmother) passed. 
> https://twitter.com/Trevornoah/status/1524805426507927552
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 6:15:04 PM UTC-4 Jon Delfin wrote:
>
>> "The Daily Show" sent out their regular e-mail list of this week's 
>> guests, but all of this week's shows were reruns.
>>
>> And Marnie Stern has been missing from the 8G Band for several weeks 
>> (can't confirm her status, as the show hasn't run full end credits in all 
>> that time).
>>
>> What's going on? Come on, late-night Kremlinologists, get to work!
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 5:33 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Update #2: Tonight and tomorrow kablooey. B
>>>
>>> Moi, May 10th:
>>>
 Update: Wed's show off. The NDGT repeat in its place.
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[TV orNotTV] Re: NotTV: So long, iPods

[Diner]

I concur with all your points. 
I still have two iPod Nanos that I use every day. One contains upbeat 
comedy podcasts that I listen to when I wake up, plus music that I listen 
to when I do my daily exercises. The other one contains more 
serious/longform podcasts that I listen to while doing my daily lunchtime 
walk. (I used to keep that one at the office, but since the pandemic 
started I work at home 95% of the time. So I ended up keeping two iPods at 
home, but that works out fine.)
One other thing I like about the Nano (in addition to Paul's points) is 
that the final version of the Nano (7th generation) has a power button on 
the side that allows me to easily turn it on and off with just a click of 
my left thumb, if I hold the iPod in my left hand. I tried upgrading to an 
iPod Touch, but the lack of that power button caused serious problems - I 
could no longer toggle the music off and on when I was crossing a street or 
dealing with loud noises (lawn mowers, overhead planes). I disabled the 
passcode to make it a bit quicker to turn it back on, but it wasn't a great 
solution.
Another problem I had with the Touch was its inability to keep a charge. I 
would charge it for hours, unplug it, and almost immediately it would lose 
most of its charge. Even though I wasn't running anything. The solutions I 
found online didn't work. Never did figure that out.
The only thing I don't like about the Nano is that my 2013 Honda doesn't 
recognize its operating system, so I can't play it there (except through 
the auxiliary jack, which is not convenient when driving). But since the 
pandemic I don't do as much driving, so that's not a big issue. These days 
in the car I listen to music on CDs, or I put podcasts on a thumb drive and 
play them through the USB connection. 
Paul, what non-iPod do you use for portable music?

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 3:01:01 PM UTC-4 Paul Murray wrote:

> Conventional wisdom is "why carry two devices when you can carry only one?"
>
> But I still use an iPod for several reasons:
> 1. Combined with iTunes, it's still the most convenient way I know to 
> follow a lot of podcasts
> 2. Reduce battery drain on my iPhone
> 3. Lower replacement cost than an iPhone
> 4. Still has a headphone jack, unlike the iPhone -- wired connection has 
> better quality and reduces battery drain
> 5. While I do have a Spotify subscription, I still like to own my music 
> and not need a connection to play it (yes, I know about offline mode)
>
> (I use a non-iPod for portable music because I prefer the simplicity of 
> loading/managing music via drag-and-drop.)
>
> So it probably doesn't make sense for Apple to make them anymore, but I 
> like using them.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 2:42:14 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> Apple has ended production of iPod Touches, last iteration of the compact 
>> audio storage unit... said CNN, it "makes for a great first iOS device for 
>> younger users who don’t need a full-on phone just yet — especially 
>> considering it’s more than half the price of even the cheapest iPhone" at 
>> around $200...
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored/electronics/apple-ipod-touch-discontinued
>>  (link)
>>
>> Should I be surprised this didn't happen in, say, 2018?
>>
>> B
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Why Late Night is in Trouble

[Diner]

Do you mean "albeit," Bob? Not familiar with "how-be-it."

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:39:19 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> TV in general is moving to interactivity only anyway, how-be-it slowly...  
>B
>
> Mark Jeffries, May 12th:
>
>> A former writer for Fallon turned college professor on why he believes 
>> late night is in decline, criticizing the overemphasis on the news cycle 
>> and celebrity worship and defending Lilly Singh and, uh, Greg Gutfeld:
>>
>> https://theconversation.com/what-can-reverse-late-night-tvs-decline-177028 
>> 
>>  [etc.; 
>> link]
>>
>> Discuss.
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: James Olson, RIP

[Diner]

He was James *Olson*, not Olsen.

Also remembered as Father, opposite Mary Steenburgen as Mother, in Milos 
Forman's "Ragtime" (1981).


On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 12:08:50 PM UTC-4 Paul Murray wrote:

> Veteran of stage, screen and TV. I always remember him as the lead in the 
> original film version of The Andromeda Strain.
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/james-r-olson-dead-andromeda-strain-rachel-rachel-1235143789/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Late-night's Covid roster complete

[Diner]

Colbert is out again, with Covid symptoms.
 
https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1523764952124719104

(And Jon Batiste has been out with Covid since Wednesday.)

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:36:53 AM UTC-4 Mark Jeffries wrote:

> I was sort of surprised, considering that Birbiglia is doing his one-man 
> show in Chicago, but his next performance is not until Friday night (and 
> he's not doing an eight-performance week, just six performances over four 
> days a week).  He's also not doing any Sunday shows this week, meaning he 
> could be doing Kimmel next Monday.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotl...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 8:49 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>
>> *@Jimmy Kimmel: Our daughter brought us covid (even though we 
>> specifically asked her not to).*
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mike Birbiglia will fill in as host, starting tomorrow.
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/jimmy-kimmel-covid-positive-1235256152/
>>
>>  
>>
>> _   _
>>
>> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>>
>> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
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[TV orNotTV] My thoughts on "Dalgliesh"

[Diner]

Xfinity is having a "free movie" week, which allowed me to check out Acorn 
TV and the first season of "Dalgliesh." 

I was familiar with P.D. James' character of Detective Chief Inspector Adam 
Dalgliesh from the Roy Marsden-starring adaptations that ran on PBS' 
"Mystery!" in the 80s and 90s. I also saw one of the later adaptations 
starring Martin Shaw. (I think the only James novel I've read was "An 
Unsuitable Job for a Woman," which did not feature the Dalgliesh character. 
And I've also listened to a few of the BBC Radio dramatizations.) 

The Marsden series were told in a leisurely fashion - my recollection is 
that each novel was dramatized over six one-hour episodes. This time 
around, each novel gets two 45-minute episodes (the season is three stories 
told over six episodes). But the stories move briskly, and you won't feel 
like you're missing anything. And the production values are much higher 
this time around - the Marsden series were shot on videotape.

The cases are complex and challenging - you have to pay close attention, 
and not just because of the British and Irish accents. (The show is set in 
England but filmed in Northern Ireland.) And Bertie Carvel's subtle, 
restrained take on the title role is perfectly suited to the material.

Two things struck me while watching this that I didn't remember from the 
last time around. One is that Dalgliesh is an example of the "Crusading 
Widower" trope - when we meet him, his wife and child have died recently of 
unstated causes. But since the character first appeared in print in 1962, 
this could be seen as an early example. And the stories do not go overboard 
in using it to establish pathos - we don't find out about the son's death 
until about halfway through the second story, for example.

Another is the subtle way that this version of Dalgliesh strikes blows for 
feminism, and against racism, as the series progresses. The series is set 
in 1975 (which explains the sideburns, smoking, and lack of seat belts). In 
the first story, Dalgliesh's assistant Charles Masterson (Jeremy Irvine) is 
a jerk who seems more concerned with screwing a nubile suspect than finding 
the killer. The second story, "The Black Tower," is set in the Dorset 
countryside, and Dalgliesh gets help from highly competent local sergeant 
Kate Miskin (Carlyss Peer). By the third story, "A Taste for Death," Miskin 
has moved to London and joined the team - and her solid professionalism 
leads to Masterson's jealousy, sexism and racism bubbling to the surface. 
Casting a POC as Miskin for the first time really pays off, and moving the 
stories to the 1970s places Masterson's behavior in a different context 
than it would have if it were set in the present day. These are smart moves 
by the producers, and things you'd miss if you stop watching before the 
season ends.

Anyway, it's an absorbing, entertaining series that is worth watching 
closely.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Joel returns to MST3K for 13th season

[Diner]

I'm subscribing to the new season, though I haven't had a chance to watch 
it yet (I started watching "Santo" last night but realized about 10 minutes 
in that I was too tired to devote myself to it). I'll catch up eventually.

I had the same experience as you with the live tours - I missed the last 
one, but I saw the previous one and was very impressed with Emily (although 
at that point she was mostly a sidekick to Joel).

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-4 mdnov...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kevin - your concerns re: Season 11 are justified; the writing was 
> definitely uneven, and while there were some great episodes ("Carnival 
> Magic", "Avalanche", "Yonggary"), there was something just...off.  
>
> Things leveled out somewhat during the abbreviated Season 12 ("The 
> Gauntlet") - I think partially that they figured out how to write for 
> Jonah's voice vs. Joel/Mike, and partially that the cast had much better 
> chemistry at that point.  I think some of it also comes down to the writers 
> figuring out the right joke density, and when to let the movies breathe.
>
> I went in on the most recent Kickstarter, so I've seen the first three 
> episodes of Season 13 ("Santo", "Robot Wars", "Beyond Atlantis") and 
> they're very good.  I'm also hugely impressed with Emily, who joined the 
> cast two live-tours ago (I didn't have a chance to see her front the most 
> recent tour, but I hear she did a great job). Looking forward to Joel's 
> return to the jumpsuit, and curious to see who they're going to use to 
> voice his bots (Jonah's & Emily's use separate puppeteers/voice casts).
>
> Also, just FYI, if you don't want to go in on the new episodes, a free 
> Gizmoplex account gets you access to ~150 classic episodes of MST with no 
> commercials. There are some notable holes in the library, largely due to 
> rights issues ("Diabolik" and "Riding With Death" are both MIA, as are many 
> of the Sandy Frank movies...although fans of the show shouldn't be 
> surprised by that last thing.)
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:12:13 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>> The writing on season 11 led me to not bother with any subsequent 
>> episodes. If the new Joel episodes surface on a free service (or one I’m 
>> already paying for) I’ll check them out. But the RiffTrax guys have 
>> maintained a steady level of quality, so I’ll happily give a few bucks for 
>> one of their riffs than any of the new MST3k. 
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 11:40 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The character, not the actor (he's played the "Movie in the Hole!" guy 
>>> since S11) joins Emily, Jonah, the bots, and the mads on the Gizmoplex at 
>>> mst3k.com, charging $50 for three months or $130 for a full year...  
>>> hurry, season starts Friday...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mystery-science-theater-3000-returns-231048163.html
>>>  (story)
>>> https://season13.mst3k.com/season13 (sign up)
>>>
>>>
>>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: SAG Awards split with Turner networks

[Diner]

There's also been discontent within the ranks about the limited number of 
categories, per the great voice artist Bob Bergen.

https://www.facebook.com/bob.bergen.756/posts/10162046591027119

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:17:38 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:

> 'Cuz, as we established a bit ago, WBD has far less capital to invest.
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2022/05/tnt-tbs-no-longer-air-screen-actors-guild-awards-sag-1235016113/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Gilbert Gottfried

[Diner]

He was the host of my favorite podcast - a show I've been listening to 
obsessively since I discovered it at least five years ago.
Listen to his recent interviews with Michael Feinstein, Frank Ferrante 
(they did dueling Grouchos), or Richard Benjamin and Paula Prentiss. Or one 
of his many Christmas episodes with Mario Cantone. His humor was only 
exceeded only by his in-depth knowledge of old time show biz.
https://www.gilbertpodcast.com/

And though I only met him once - for a few seconds in an elevator at the 
Museum of TV and Radio (he was kind enough to pretend to laugh at a little 
joke I made) - I will miss him very much.

-Tim

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:25:43 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 6:00 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Right in that article he'd told the network years ago, basically, it's 
>> *never* too soon. B
>
>
> Agreed… as epitomized by his telling of The Aristocrats during the Hefner 
> roast, Gilbert knew when to work blue when nobody else would dare. He was 
> not one of my favorite comedians, but he was good at what I did. I admired 
> his style. 
>
>
>>
>> Kevin M, to Brad Beam, April 12th:
>>
>>> Hope he had Aflac 
>>>
>>> Too soon?
>>>
>>> NPR reports the cause of death as “recurrent ventricular tachycardia 
 due to myotonic dystrophy type II.”

 https://www.npr.org/2022/04/12/1092411804/gilbert-gottfried-died

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