Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter and oauth/authenticate

2010-01-19 Thread Abraham Williams
Oauth/authenticate was added later and I guess the application detail page was never updated. Abraham On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 17:29, eco_bach wrote: > yeah thanks > Just curious why that isn't displayed as an option in my Application > details page... > Might cause some confusion for anyone who

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter and oauth/authenticate

2010-01-19 Thread eco_bach
yeah thanks Just curious why that isn't displayed as an option in my Application details page... Might cause some confusion for anyone who hasn't read the wiki in detail.

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter, PIN authentication and Desktop Clients

2010-01-17 Thread eco_bach
Thanks Ryan On Jan 17, 5:38 pm, ryan alford wrote: > 1. Desktop applications are those that are installed or ran from a PC > /Mac/Linux or on a mobile device.  They are outside of the browser. > > 2. One is used for web applications, the other is for desktop applications. > > 3.  You are correct.

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter, Auto-Follow Question

2009-08-15 Thread Doug Williams
Hi -- Auto following is discouraged. However if your app relies on the user following your account, you should clearly state well ahead of the auto follow action what relationship changes will occur to the user's account. Thanks, Doug Sent from my mobile. On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:07 PM, b

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Babcock
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Dewald Pretorius wrote: > If I understand you correctly, you're saying one should login for the > user in the OAuth process? Wouldn't that involve scraping the Twitter > web interface? Or am I outside the ballpark with my understanding? I'm saying that, f

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-06 Thread Coderanger
> Some users aren't comfortable giving their Twitter password to another > website.  For them, it's sort of a good thing to be sent to Twitter's I would hazard a guess that they really are the long tail. Only a small percentage of people would care, most would not but they are going to be penalize

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-06 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Chris, If I understand you correctly, you're saying one should login for the user in the OAuth process? Wouldn't that involve scraping the Twitter web interface? Or am I outside the ballpark with my understanding? Dewald On Aug 6, 10:36 am, Chris Babcock wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 05:09:48 -0

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-06 Thread John Kristian
Some users aren't comfortable giving their Twitter password to another website. For them, it's sort of a good thing to be sent to Twitter's UI to authenticate; it builds confidence that their credentials won't be abused. I'm looking for a sweet spot, where the user knows Twitter is participating

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Babcock
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 05:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Dewald Pretorius wrote: > Amen to that. > > When one does customer support for long enough, you quickly realize > that: > > a) People do not read instructions, and > > b) Many people are not as computer literate as you'd wish them to be. > > If you send

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-06 Thread John Kristian
It's a subtle distinction: users aim to use the application, not the Twitter website. They expect Twitter to ask for their permission, but they don't expect to start using the Twitter website. So they're a little surprised when Twitter asks them to log in. The page doesn't make it clear that th

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-06 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Jesse, Amen to that. When one does customer support for long enough, you quickly realize that: a) People do not read instructions, and b) Many people are not as computer literate as you'd wish them to be. If you send people all over the place, many go, "WTF," and abandon the process out of fe

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Stay
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Duane Roelands wrote: > > If your users don't understand why they're seeing the Twitter login > screen, then your application needs to do a better job of explaining > it. > Duane I don't think this has anything to do with that. Having worked on e-commerce sites for

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-05 Thread Duane Roelands
If your users don't understand why they're seeing the Twitter login screen, then your application needs to do a better job of explaining it. On Aug 4, 2:05 pm, John Kristian wrote: > a user who's focused on the application won't see the > first page and wonder, "Why must I log in to Twitter?  I

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-08-05 Thread Coderanger
I would agree, this area needs some TLC as my post suggested: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/0f57965561504a1c?hl=en

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter , old access token /secret will be invalid ?

2009-07-20 Thread Abraham Williams
The pin is only required to exchange the request token for the access token. After you have an access token the pin is useless. Abraham On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 07:06, srikanth yaradla wrote: > > What about the pin?(for desktop clients) How long will it be > accessible. > > Regards > Srikanth > >

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter , old access token /secret will be invalid ?

2009-07-20 Thread srikanth yaradla
What about the pin?(for desktop clients) How long will it be accessible. Regards Srikanth On Jul 20, 4:24 pm, Mandakini kumari wrote: > Hi > > No it will not expired/ invalid you can store it in DB or cookie > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM, CG wrote: > > > Hi all, I have a newbie que

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter , old access token /secret will be invalid ?

2009-07-20 Thread srikanth reddy
What about the pin?(for desktop clients) How long will it be accessible. Regards Srikanth On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Mandakini kumari wrote: > Hi > > No it will not expired/ invalid you can store it in DB or cookie > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM, CG wrote: > >> >> Hi all, I

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter , old access token /secret will be invalid ?

2009-07-20 Thread Mandakini kumari
Hi No it will not expired/ invalid you can store it in DB or cookie On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM, CG wrote: > > Hi all, I have a newbie question would like to seek the confirmation > from experienced twitter app developer ... hopefully somebody can > help . > > > I would like to develop

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter - Flow chart error?

2009-07-12 Thread Chad Etzel
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Wynn Netherland wrote: > If you want to give your users the ability to use multiple twitter accounts > with your service, Authorize allows them a chance to switch accounts during > the login flow. We consciously do that on a couple of our apps. Bingo. ditto my ap

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter - Flow chart error?

2009-07-12 Thread Wynn Netherland
If you want to give your users the ability to use multiple twitter accounts with your service, Authorize allows them a chance to switch accounts during the login flow. We consciously do that on a couple of our apps. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Abraham Williams <4bra...@gmail.com>wrote: > >

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter - Flow chart error?

2009-07-12 Thread Abraham Williams
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 20:54, Scott Carter wrote: > > > I am using as a reference the Sign in with Twitter documentation at: > http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Sign-in-with-Twitter > > When I issue an authenticate call to: > https://twitter.com/oauth/authenticate?oauth_token= > > The callback I get is:

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-06-01 Thread Matt Sanford
Hi Romeo, In order to make 'Sign in with Twitter' secure we do indeed now return the request token, and you can then exchange that for an access token. There is a ticket in place [1] to update the documentation to match. Thanks; – Matt Sanford / @mzsanford Twitter Dev [1] - ht

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-05-31 Thread Romeo Olympia
Hi all, So it looks like that the token being returned to the callback from oauth/authenticate is now the same request token we sent. Can someone please confirm this? This is the last message I found on the topic. If this is the case, how are we supposed to proceed? Should we exchange the reques

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter added to EpiTwitter (PHP/OAuth)

2009-05-02 Thread jmathai
Thanks Doug. It might help users to also post a link to the blog entry as it explains the code and flow. On May 1, 10:00 am, Doug Williams wrote: > Adding this to the wiki. Thanks for sharing! > > Thanks, > Doug > -- > > Doug Williams > Twitter Platform Supporthttp://twitter.com/dougw > > On Fri

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter added to EpiTwitter (PHP/OAuth)

2009-05-01 Thread Doug Williams
Adding this to the wiki. Thanks for sharing! Thanks, Doug -- Doug Williams Twitter Platform Support http://twitter.com/dougw On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:54 AM, jmathai wrote: > > Did a quick write up on using PHP to sign in to Twitter. > > Working Example: http://www.jaisenmathai.com/sign_in_

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-20 Thread Jesse Stay
Was there an announcement that this was going down? I'm seeing "This feature is temporarily disabled" as well. Jesse On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Rore wrote: > > Any idea when authenticate url will work again? > > > On Apr 17, 4:31 pm, Matt Sanford wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This behav

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-19 Thread Rore
Any idea when authenticate url will work again? On Apr 17, 4:31 pm, Matt Sanford wrote: > Hi all, > >      This behavior (i.e. which token is returned) is likely to change   > soon. Once again, stay tuned for updates. > > — Matt > > On Apr 17, 2009, at 01:02 AM, Abraham Williams wrote: > > > Th

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-17 Thread John Kristian
It would be nice to support applications that merely authenticate, never authorize. That is, they don't ask for permission to access Twitter on the user's behalf. Such an application would never direct a user to /oauth/authorize, and thus would never get a token secret from the authorization flo

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-17 Thread Matt Sanford
Hi all, This behavior (i.e. which token is returned) is likely to change soon. Once again, stay tuned for updates. — Matt On Apr 17, 2009, at 01:02 AM, Abraham Williams wrote: The oauth_token returned from oauth/authenticate is the key from the users access tokens. as long as you stor

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-17 Thread Abraham Williams
The oauth_token returned from oauth/authenticate is the key from the users access tokens. as long as you store the access tokens you can match the returned oauth_token with what is in your database. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 01:35, John Kristian wrote: > > I'm having trouble using /oauth/authentic

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-17 Thread John Kristian
I'm having trouble using /oauth/authenticate, too. After authenticating, Twitter redirects back to my consumer with a different oauth_token than the one I sent to initiate authentication. Twitter APIs don't accept either token. Sending the original request token to /oauth/access_token elicits H

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-17 Thread John Kristian
It just dawned on me: it looks like /oauth/authenticate is designed to merely deliver a user's ID and screen_name to a application, not to authorize the application to access Twitter on the user's behalf. Is that so? A suggestion: treat the user ID and screen_name as a resource that's protected

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Abraham Williams
An idea is to have the oauth/authorize page display login/don't login instead of accept/deny if the user has already approved the application. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 16:29, djMax wrote: > > Did this stop working? All of the sudden I'm getting 500 server > errors back. Was working ok 15 minute

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread djMax
Did this stop working? All of the sudden I'm getting 500 server errors back. Was working ok 15 minutes ago. On Apr 16, 12:52 pm, Doug Williams wrote: > Matt has deployed our answer for one click login. It requires only a small > change to the normal Twitter OAuth workflow and is documented her

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Doug Williams
Allen, OAuth is the third-party authorization protocol that we have decided to embrace. You can search the group's archives [1] for past discussion on OpenID and the Twitter API. 1. http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/search?group=twitter-development-talk&q=openid&qt_g=Search+t

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Matt Sanford
Hello again, We've discussed OpenID but adding it is not something we can do in the near-term. With OAuth just out the door we felt like this was a better user experience than have to continually re-display the Accept/ Deny dialog. I'm looking into a few issues raised in this thread that

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Allen Tom
On Apr 16, 9:52 am, Doug Williams wrote: > Matt has deployed our answer for one click login. It requires only a small > change to the normal Twitter OAuth workflow and is documented here: > > http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Sign-in-with-Twitter > > This is the perfect tool for web applications wanting

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 4/16/09 2:33 PM, Matt Sanford wrote: The initial token required is a RequestToken rather than an AccessToken. Making the request for the RequestToken requires you know the consumer key/secret and (a) let's us know what application this is for (callback_url alone would not) and (b) preven

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Ahmed R
Awesome this will definitely improve the process. In particular the users will only have to face the question of "Deny or Allow" access only once. The only problem I foresee is if multiple users use the same computer. This way if USERA is already signed in to Twitter and USERB attempts to log int

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Doug Williams
Zac, Matt and I agree there is value here. I've opened Issue 469 [1] to track this enhancement. 1. http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/detail?id=469 Doug Williams Twitter API Support http://twitter.com/dougw On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote: > > On 4/16/09 2:33 P

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 4/16/09 2:37 PM, Abraham Williams wrote: I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Oauth/authenticate works pretty much exactly the same as oauth/authorize but uses a different path and may not require any action by the user if they have previously authorized. How do you know which oauth_to

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 4/16/09 2:33 PM, Matt Sanford wrote: The initial token required is a RequestToken rather than an AccessToken. Making the request for the RequestToken requires you know the consumer key/secret and (a) let's us know what application this is for (callback_url alone would not) and (b) prevent the

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Abraham Williams
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 13:26, Dossy Shiobara wrote: > > On 4/16/09 12:55 PM, Doug Williams wrote: > >> Related: More OAuth documentation is to come throughout the day so >> some of the links will be broken. It's a glaring omission in the >> documentation. >> >> Let's use this thread to fill the

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Matt Sanford
Hi Dossy, The initial token required is a RequestToken rather than an AccessToken. Making the request for the RequestToken requires you know the consumer key/secret and (a) let's us know what application this is for (callback_url alone would not) and (b) prevent the token-shooting met

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 4/16/09 12:55 PM, Doug Williams wrote: Related: More OAuth documentation is to come throughout the day so some of the links will be broken. It's a glaring omission in the documentation. Let's use this thread to fill the holes people find while implementing Sign in with Twitter for the time b

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Abraham Williams
That is why there are 2 methods: 1) Authorize that always displays prompt on Twitter. 2) Authenticate that shows nothing if already signed in and authorized. Use them based on your needs. Something to keep in mind that OAuth is not designed for identity authentication. It is designed for data aut

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Zac Bowling
Sorry, a little confused by your email. :-) It's really not directly related to "twitter sign-on" directly but with OAuth authentication in general that doesn't force the user to authenticate each time. The problem is with all OAuth providers that shortcut the process of associating and granting

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Chad Etzel
Ivan, that doesn't solve the original problem of getting those accounts authenticated. Zac, you should just use the /oauth/authorize link instead. the /oauth/authenticate link is what will do the auto-redirect. -Chad On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ivan Kirigin wrote: > > Zac, this can be sol

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Ivan Kirigin
Zac, this can be solved just be properly modeling user accounts and twitter accounts. It should be one-to-many. Signing in with any of their twitter accounts can sign in that user. Let me know if that doesn't address your problem. Ivan http://tipjoy.com On Apr 16, 1:18 pm, Zac Bowling wrote:

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Zac Bowling
Hi Doug, There is a use case that sort of sucks when you don't force the user to authenticate each time, and thats when a your application supports multiple twitter accounts. Its nice to shortcut authenticating because it removes a step for the end user, but it sucks when you are trying to associ

[twitter-dev] Re: Sign in with Twitter

2009-04-16 Thread Doug Williams
Related: More OAuth documentation is to come throughout the day so some of the links will be broken. It's a glaring omission in the documentation. Let's use this thread to fill the holes people find while implementing Sign in with Twitter for the time being. Cheers, Doug Williams Twitter API Sup