Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread Arno Garrels
RTT wrote: Man in the Middle attacks don't work if the man in the middle don't know how to handle the encrypted data/protocol he is intercepting. True, and how do you manage that is not happening? Can't be happening because the man in the middle can't generate valid data, or alter

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread RTT
It is a very simple monitoring system. SSL is okay for this as far as I am concerned. As others have say to you already, just concentrate your efforts in the development of the client and server code. Leave the data encryption to the last stage of the project. Starting with the SSL

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread RTT
With a stolen key that's easy. Sure, and this is exactly what SSL try to circumvent. But not so easy if the encrypt key is not a fixed value, but a variable one. The attacker will need to stole the client or server code and reverse engineering it too. This is also valid for SSL. No,

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread daniel cc
So, leave SSL apart for now. I don't see any reasons to leave the SSL because I already spent 3 weeks with making lot of tests and have learned much about SSL and I will continue. I am also hoping that you guys try to understand my approach instead of asking to leave it. SSL is good enough

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread daniel cc
SOLVED!! -Original Message- From: daniel cc Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:33 PM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port So, leave SSL apart for now. I don't see any reasons to leave the SSL because I already spent 3 weeks with making

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread Arno Garrels
RTT wrote: With a stolen key that's easy. Sure, and this is exactly what SSL try to circumvent. But not so easy if the encrypt key is not a fixed value, but a variable one. The attacker will need to stole the client or server code and reverse engineering it too. This is also valid for

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread RTT
On 27-01-2011 18:27, Arno Garrels wrote: Without the certificate(s) and private key(s) he may intercept transparently as long as he likes. When he wants to decrypt the session on the fly he has to go thru the handshake process on behave of the victim by presenting the stolen certificate(s),

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-27 Thread Arno Garrels
RTT wrote: That's why the security agencies don't like closed protocols. Nobody knows whether a proprietary security protocol has some built-in universal key, given i.e. to a security agency. That's also why users should not rely on proprietary security protocols and cryptographic algorithms.

[twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread daniel cc
Hello all, If I have server and client component at one side, server and client component at the other side Side A: TWSocketServer and TWSocket == Acts as client Side B: TWSocketServer and TWSocket == Acts as server Side A connects automatically to the site B because site A is acting as client

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread Francois PIETTE
I would like to use the same port which the site A uses when it connects to the site B. Yes, you can have a same listening port at both sides. -- francois.pie...@overbyte.be http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread daniel cc
I would like to use the same port which the site A uses when it connects to the site B. Yes, you can have a same listening port at both sides. Thanks for the response. Yes, I know I can listen same ports but my question is, can I do that at Site A without opening any ports at the

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread Francois PIETTE
I would like to use the same port which the site A uses when it connects to the site B. Yes, you can have a same listening port at both sides. Thanks for the response. Yes, I know I can listen same ports but my question is, can I do that at Site A without opening any ports at the

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread daniel cc
The use only one socket and make all communications over that unique connection. No other choise in your situation. Thanks Francois, Please do correct me if I am wrong. Now, You are saying that it is not possible to have only server port opened, I need to open port 443 in both sites. Site

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread Francois PIETTE
Please do correct me if I am wrong. Now, You are saying that it is not possible to have only server port opened, I need to open port 443 in both sites. Site A port 443 need to be open from PC and from the firewall. Site B port 443 need to be open from PC and from firewall. No, I didn't meant

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread RTT
(I am using SSL sockets in both sites) Why you insist in use SSL if the client and server applications are coded by you?!! Why use a standard that only exist because of the need to connect many different implementations of clients to many different implementations of servers? You will be

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread Arno Garrels
RTT wrote: (I am using SSL sockets in both sites) Why you insist in use SSL if the client and server applications are coded by you?!! Why use a standard that only exist because of the need to connect many different implementations of clients to many different implementations of servers?

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread daniel cc
(I am using SSL sockets in both sites) Why you insist in use SSL if the client and server applications are coded by you?!! Why use a standard that only exist because of the need to connect many different implementations of clients to many different implementations of servers? You will be much

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread daniel cc
Thanks Arno, Your answer is just a music to my ears :) RTT wrote: (I am using SSL sockets in both sites) Why you insist in use SSL if the client and server applications are coded by you?!! Why use a standard that only exist because of the need to connect many different implementations of

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread RTT
SSL/TLS aktually uses common, powerful and strong encryption algorithms. However secure peer to peer communication is much more than just that. SSL security includes, for instance, peer verification and protects against Man in the Middle attacks. Man in the Middle attacks don't work if the

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread Arno Garrels
RTT wrote: SSL/TLS aktually uses common, powerful and strong encryption algorithms. However secure peer to peer communication is much more than just that. SSL security includes, for instance, peer verification and protects against Man in the Middle attacks. Man in the Middle attacks don't

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread RTT
Man in the Middle attacks don't work if the man in the middle don't know how to handle the encrypted data/protocol he is intercepting. True, and how do you manage that is not happening? Can't be happening because the man in the middle can't generate valid data, or alter intercepted data

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread daniel cc
RTT, First, I am not building a bank system where I would need extremely high security. It is a very simple monitoring system. SSL is okay for this as far as I am concerned. You may be right or may not. For me the mosty important here is to learn one thing at a time. If I listen you, I have to

Re: [twsocket] TWSocketServer and TWSocket Port

2011-01-26 Thread Anton S.
RTT: Why you insist in use SSL if the client and server applications are coded by you?!! Why use a standard that only exist because of the need to connect many different implementations of clients to many different implementations of servers? It's easy to implement encryption but you'll have