pick up a virus or bug! (I think I found them all now -
but you never
know)
-Original Message- From: Kevin King
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Isn't there something that strips the symbol table during compile
Sounds reasonable.
George
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Clark
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
My guess would be that it's because
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Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:32 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
My guess would be that it's because the loop was very tight. I've seen lots of
instances where tight loops couldn't be interrupted at all
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:24 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
I don't think this is it.
Perhaps George you could post the full code that is the actual issue, not just
an example.
We
Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
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Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
I'm fairly confident that the Break= is not applicable to my connection
Since it's not a serial connection where a break signal could be sent
If it worked fine for you, then what's the problem?
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Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Yes, it worked fine for me as well - which is what
Good question...
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
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If it worked fine for you
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Yes, it worked fine for me as well - which is what confused me.
The only other time I've seen the D option not available, is when it's
Executing a TCL command, which
, October 03, 2013 1:40 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
It's impossible to debug your situation, without more details.
The code you posted is NOT the problem.
It's elsewhere. To determine where we need to know more details.
Sorry, there's just too many ways to turn
, Oct 3, 2013 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
I can't really provide any more details.
What would be the most common ways to turn off the debugger? By not actually
trying...
George
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[mailto:u2-users-boun
oops the compiler... not the run engine
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From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com
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Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
The command that makes the BASIC program *run* supports an option to turn
-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 1:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
The command that makes the BASIC program *run* supports an option to turn it
off.
That's one way out of dozens
I'm not going to go
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Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Well that one is an obvious no - since the debugger works at the input
statement
in that program,
But wasn't working when it was stuck in the loop.
That is what I meant by by not actually trying - if it's a method
LOOP
IF (1=1) THEN CONTINUE
REPEAT
END
Run this program (yes, I know - it's an endless loop).
Then Control C to break out
D is one of the debug options (and lets you know what line your on).
However, when I had something like this in my program, when it got stuck
D wasn't one of the options
Subject: [U2] Interesting
LOOP
IF (1=1) THEN CONTINUE
REPEAT
END
Run this program (yes, I know - it's an endless loop).
Then Control C to break out
D is one of the debug options (and lets you know what line your on).
However, when I had something like this in my program, when it got stuck
D
The use of PORT.STATUS using the PID option and LAYER.STACK (PORT.STATUS
PID 123456 LAYER.STACK)
over and over again can show you what hex address in the program your process
is at. I suggest calling this
50 or 100 times in a row and inspecting the output. Once you have the hex
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Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
The use of PORT.STATUS using the PID option and LAYER.STACK (PORT.STATUS
PID 123456 LAYER.STACK)
over and over again can show you what hex address in the program your process
is at. I
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
The INTR.KEY entry in the VOC determines what options are given when a user
breaks out of a program. The D is for the debug option.
INTR.KEY
001 X-type - Define options available when INTR key is hit
002 ACLQD
One thing to note
am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Both accounts (my login and the active one) have the D in INTR.KEY
I now if I break out of a VOC, then the D is not an option
And if I break out of that same program at an input, or when it's not stuck in
a
loop - the D was an option
And when I wrote the test
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:16 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
You mean if you break out at a BASIC input ?
If you break from a VOC you don't get the debug option, because you cannot
debug VOC entries
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From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Yes...
The only time I've not had the D option, is when I break from a VOC
Which is expected, since
ENABLE FLUSH BREAK=NULL
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:23 PM
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The INTR.KEY in the VOC
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
I have to think (and I havent' yet checked
What is !strings ?
I have no such command in Universe
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From: McGowan, Ian james.mcgo...@bankofthewest.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting... Unidata VLIST options
Changing
: [U2] Interesting... Unidata VLIST options
What is !strings ?
I have no such command in Universe
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From: McGowan, Ian james.mcgo...@bankofthewest.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
A, my tool was written for use on Windows.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Davis dda...@harriscomputer.com
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Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting... Unidata VLIST options
It's a *nix command that shows
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Will Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:51 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Is BREAK=NULL what you expected to see ?
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:23 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
The INTR.KEY in the VOC is not the only thing controlling breaking behaviour.
It specifies the maximum level
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:52 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting... Unidata VLIST options
A, my tool was written for use on Windows.
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From: Dave
, 2013 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting... Unidata VLIST options
Po-te-to/Po-ta-to.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897439.aspx
A unidata VLIST clone would be great, and I've spent a long time looking at
object code and can see some patterns, but it's grueling to get
Of Will Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Is BREAK=NULL what you expected to see ?
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ml-node+s1073795n41901...@n5.nabble.com
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but you never
know)
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From: Kevin King
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:13 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Isn't there something that strips the symbol table during compile? If the
symbol table were suppressed the D might not appear because
October 2011 17:30
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Subject: Re: [U2] interesting programming dogmas (good and bad)
That is really good George, enjoyed it.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
wrote:
http://badprogrammer.infogami.com
http://badprogrammer.infogami.com/
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I have come to like U2 over the past few years but an honest question:
Why would anyone ever pick U2 beyond familiarity and personal
preference? Can anyone think of any situation that another (and in a
lot of cases a *far* cheaper) database isn't a better fit?
Maybe if U2 had it's own niche
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Holt, Jake
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting Article
I have come to like U2 over the past few years
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R.
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:31 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting Article
You may have answered your own question. Why do YOU like it?
It is easy to develop, quick
and
regulators...
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:22 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting article
Hi Rob
Open source has its advantages
On 13/07/11 16:15, McGowan, Ian wrote:
I respectfully disagree - through the years the few times I've been royally
screwed, it's always by a closed-source vendor. I have never made a major
commitment to an open-source tool and been burned. Debian, Eclipse, Tomcat,
Apache and Postgres have
Not that I'm promoting or selling anything either way... I stumbled upon
this just recently.
I've spent all of an hour tooling around with it.
This may or may not satisfy your yearning for a distributed cloud based
MV environment
http://devwiki.neosys.com/index.php/Main_Page
On Tue, Jul 12,
From: Wol
You only need a couple of users who aren't
free-loading, and the project is unlikely to die ...
I agree with Wol and Ian. Most people just free-load, abuse a
generous author, and then abandon the project when the author
gets burned out, while blaming the open source model for the
Tony wrote:
... the MV market needs to define a consistent web
service / REST API...
Dawn Wolthuis responded:
Any clues on how to get any standard that all MV
vendors would deploy? I'm thinking this would require
third-party software...
Glen responded to Dawn:
...
there has to
Some on here will be interested in this. I esp like Gigaom's quote
old SQL (as he calls it) is good for nothing and needs to be sent to the
home for retired software. After all, he explained, SQL was created decades
ago before the web, mobile devices and sensors forever changed how and how
often
*Subject:* [U2] Interesting article
Some on here will be interested in this. I esp like Gigaom's quote
old SQL (as he calls it) is good for nothing and needs to be sent to the
home for retired software. After all, he explained, SQL was created decades
ago before the web, mobile devices and sensors
From: Bill Haskett
I wonder if this implies that those who U2 are all
database gurus? :-)
I get the humor but...
I need to create a distributed cloud-based MV environment,
obviously smaller than Facebook but using the same concept of
shards for distributed storage and computing. So far most
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.comwrote:
From: Bill Haskett
I wonder if this implies that those who U2 are all
database gurus? :-)
I get the humor but...
I need to create a distributed cloud-based MV environment,
obviously smaller than Facebook but
Distributed autosharding cloud based environment - i can recommend Mongo DB
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: 12 July 2011 20:47
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2
, 2011 2:24 PM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting article
Distributed autosharding cloud based environment - i can recommend Mongo DB
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:24 PM
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Distributed autosharding cloud based environment - i can recommend Mongo DB
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*Date:* 7/12/2011 12:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] Interesting article
From: Bill Haskett
I wonder if this implies that those who U2 are all
database gurus? :-)
I get the humor but...
I need to create
Rob your comments are not wrong. However U2 management want to go where they
think the market is. As users we don't tell them anything and then complain
that they are not mind readers and are not heading in the direction we want to
go. As a user group, we give users a voice to be able to
Hi Bill
There are some options for alternative licensing. Rocket will not stay in
business giving away licenses, but they are also not silly in turning away
business because of licensing structure. We as a user group need to put a
business case to licensing. There are subscription models we
David,
You're correct that U2 users need to be vocal about what they want, but
Rocket has to be proactive, too. Surely they have a few analysts on staff
that can read Techmeme or attend a few conferences and see for themselves
where developers are headed. It's probably not wise to only listen
From: Symeon Breen
Distributed autosharding cloud based environment - i can
recommend Mongo DB
That's a great mainstream solution but it doesn't address the
primary concern for anyone in this forum: How do I make that work
with my U2 environment? The answer is, you don't, you write a
On 7/12/2011 4:06 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
[chop]
As to old SQL, there is a revolution going on out there and I'm
wondering if other MV people have seen this: Look at the data
storage for Android, Google App Engine, AmazonDB, etc. All of
these platforms and others are using name/value pairs
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rob Sobers
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:41 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting article
David,
You're correct that U2 users need to be vocal about what they want, but
Rocket has to be proactive, too. Surely they have a few analysts on staff
David, I appreciate the tone and the messages that you present
here. You're right that there are appropriate approaches and
vectors to product management and development. I submit however
that these forums are not merely suited for community self-help,
but they can and should serve as a conduit
My first reaction to Brian's post is that it's time for this old dog to
hang up the leash and retire. However, there are still many sites out
there still using dumb terminals, and have never been given the
opportunity to see what a really good CUI can be. So, I guess I'll keep
the old shingle
Hi Charlie:
I've trained this old dog to learn Java in the last 3 years and have made
many a change to our Eclipse based editor, developer, resizer and installer.
I've trained 4 of our old dog staff members as well to learn HTML,
JavaScript and Eclipse. Fortunately, all of them picked up the
It is not an issue of old dogs vs young dogs. It is about the separation of
presentation and business logic. The U2 applications are the business logic,
the html, java, .Net are the presentation layer. All the young people are
caught up on the presentation layer and are cheap. What
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: 15 June 2011 21:56
To: U2 Users List
Subject: [U2] Interesting article (pro mobile web) vs mobile app - relating
to previous discussion
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/13-essential-programming-tools
I feel compelled to add a big RightOn! to Brian's observations.
The world has gone from treating programmers like gurus to
treating them like a low-cost and expendable commodity. A
company gets a web developer who may know something about HTML
and scripting (or they may just know drag-n-drop
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/13-essential-programming-tools-the-mobile-web-246?source=IFWNLE_nlt_mobilehdwr_2011-06-15
George Gallen
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Accounting/Data Division, EDI Administrator
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
ph:856.848.9005 Ext 220
The Wyanoke Group
All good stuff
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: 15 June 2011 21:56
To: U2 Users List
Subject: [U2] Interesting article (pro mobile web) vs mobile app - relating
to previous
Both installable apps and browser UIs have their place in the
mobile world. There are pros and cons with each option. As with
everything, it's a matter of understanding the audience and the
technology, and selecting the right tools for the job. What's
important to remember is that it all works
All
Here is an interesting interview with Susie about how things are now with U2
and Rocket.
It's given by Elkie Holland of Prospectus:
http://www.prospectus.co.uk/t/SusieSiegesmundMarch10.htm
Brian
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