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Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
I could be completely misunderstanding your comment ...execute a login
as that user. How does one automatically execute a login when the U2
dbms service starts? Are you suggesting that I start the service
Of Wally Terhune
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
RFS with TP has been available in UniData for 15-20 years too.
I understand your issues. I'm just saying you do have the ability in UniData
to generate a consistent backup
, August 09, 2012 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Has the issue on Windows been resolved? Our customers reported that UniData
maintained 'open files' at a dbpause, which still made the backup difficult
with a dbpause.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wally Terhune
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Dbpause doesn't close files. It blocks updates by UniData processes to
UniData files. This is via a flag
List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
*Date:* 8/9/2012 6:35 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Has the issue on Windows been resolved? Our customers reported that UniData
maintained 'open files' at a dbpause, which still made the backup difficult
with a dbpause.
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: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
David:
I'm sure I don't have a complete understanding of your situation. I use
dbpause all the time and run backups using Windows backup utilities.
I don't think they have a problem backing up locked files because of the
volume Shadow Copy
] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
David:
I'm sure I don't have a complete understanding of your situation. I use
dbpause all the time and run backups using Windows backup utilities.
I don't
You've restored from backups where files were locked during the backup?
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From: Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net
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Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
David:
I'm sure I
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
It's dependent on the software in use -- we have customers who want to use
what they've always used as backup software, and many of the products they
have been using will not back up 'open' files. So they end up skipping our
primary datafile
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*From:* dwolv...@flash.net
*To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
*Date:* 8/9/2012 8:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
It's dependent on the software in use -- we have customers
*Date:* 8/9/2012 8:29 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Hey -- this was a question I got though: Is there a way to make UniData
VSS/Shadow-Copy 'aware'?
Does that question come up to other people as they transition users to U2?
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From: u2-users
09, 2012 9:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
WELL... in theory UniData has SOME control --
I mean, on Windows, there could be a dbpause 'flag' that tells UniData to close
all the open file handles on dbpause and reopen them on dbresume.
That would fix
] On Behalf Of Wally Terhune
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
I would not envision having every active UniData process on the system close
all of their files when a dbpause command is run. Each process has it's own
file handles
...@flash.net
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*Date:* 8/9/2012 6:35 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Has the issue on Windows been resolved? Our customers reported that
UniData maintained 'open files' at a dbpause, which still made the
backup difficult
-
From: Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net
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Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 9:33 am
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
As far as I know, Windows doesn't care about UniData. If the Volume
Shadow Copy service is running the backups cruise
. :-(
Bill
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*From:* wjhon...@aol.com
*To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
*Date:* 8/9/2012 9:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
You have to write a script that logs
the phantoms you want to
start. So when that user logs in, the phantoms start.
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From: Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net
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Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
I have no idea
script you put the phantoms you want to
start. So when that user logs in, the phantoms start.
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From: Bill Haskett wphask...@advantos.net
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Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
I
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thomas.bo...@firstgroup.com
Sent: 26 July 2012 10:34
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Subject: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Importance: High
U2users,
Will I get the same benefits by using stopud
: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
You get an extra benefit from stopud and startud in that your database will be
consistent.
dbpause does not enforce consistency
Personally I would never suggest using dbpause to take a snapshot because of
that issue.
You're never guarenteed that you have
pm
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
If you have put transaction processing semantics in your code you will have
logical consistency with dbpause. For RFS enabled systems, dbpause forces a
checkpoint.
Wally Terhune
Technical Support Engineer
Rocket Software
4600 South Ulster
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Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
That's the rub isn't it?
We have a few thousand programs written over 30 years, and only a limited
staff, and users always want more.
Users don't see the need to go back and *fix* code that's working
...@rocketsoftware.com
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Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
RFS with TP has been available in UniData for 15-20 years too.
I understand your issues. I'm just saying you do have the ability in UniData to
generate
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 05:34
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Subject: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
Importance: High
U2users,
Will I get the same benefits by using stopud and startud
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Are you certain that the dbpause finished? We've had cases here where
our backup scripts would hang on the dbpause command. Those
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