Dear you LibO folks,
I have now wasted a lot of time reading some 30 mails in this thread -
it was of no use because most of them did not
handle neither give an answer to the original very relevant question:
Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
So, what is the conclusion - if there is any?
On 6/4/12 8:25 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
Dear you LibO folks,
I have now wasted a lot of time reading some 30 mails in this thread -
it was of no use because most of them did not
handle neither give an answer to the original very relevant question:
Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
So,
Hello Pertti,
As a long-time (now retired) IBM-Systems Engineer serving large customers
I can only agree with you completely.
I myself keep using the latest LO-versions - having used OO/LO for at least
6 to 7 years.
However, there are a couple of - to my mind VERY important - insufficiencies
) magically becomes interested and starts sorting it.
Regards from
Tom :)
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From: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 4 June
Why don't you just download it and see if it does what you need? If
it works for your business needs it's ready! If not, don't use it
yet. I would NEVER depend on somebody else to determine whether
something is ready for me. Only I can determine that!
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Pertti
Am 04.06.2012 17:22, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:
Hello Pertti,
As a long-time (now retired) IBM-Systems Engineer serving large customers
I can only agree with you completely.
I myself keep using the latest LO-versions - having used OO/LO for at least
6 to 7 years.
However, there are a couple of
for it is to sitwait to see if one of our supporter companies (Redhat, Google, Canonical etc) magically becomes interested and starts sorting it.
Regards from
Tom :)
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Problems?
It's crucial that people test each particular use of an application, and THEN
decide.
I've gone to using Apache OpenOffice V3.0, as LO seems to have fallen over
badly -- none of the responses I got in response to a problem I was
experiencing with using Zotero were even minimally useful to me, so
On 6/4/12 10:42 AM, RustyRiley wrote:
snip
but being able to use Zotero AND export to PDF are CRUCIAL for me, so, as I
said, it's back to AOO, I'm not even bothering with LO as I basically use
it, currently, as a wordprocessor only (with Zotero support).
Just curious, have you tried IBM's
why? further complicate the issue, Aoo works
From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 5:21 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
On 6/4/12 10:42 AM, RustyRiley wrote
for oneself
From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
On 6/4/12 4:00 PM, Russell Wilson wrote:
why? further complicate the issue, Aoo
. There will be a 3.4.1 and perhaps
progression to an AOO 3.5 before that.
- Dennis
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From: Ken Springer [mailto:snowsh...@q.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 19:13
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
On 6/4/12 4:00
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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 20:30
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
it's been some months since I tried it; I think there are supposed to be some
added extras, but they're all much the same, depends on what features one
webmas...@krackedpress.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 2 June, 2012, 22:29
I was told by one member of the list that was part of TDF, do not remember who
since it was months ago, that business users would
Le 02/06/12 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :
Hi,
Would 3.5.4 be considered ready to give to a large local business or
local government office? Are there any show stoppers that are still
there that needs to be fixed before you would give it to your boss in a
business or other
Am 02.06.2012 21:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
No. Not ready for Government academic or business users. What's worse,
the accessibility problems inferior jre with windows registry patch
merged didn't start in libreoffice at all.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46114#c7 [Resolved, not
On 03/06/2012 at 01:58, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:
The real problem is that ODF 1.2 is not supported by MS and I am not
sure if MSO XP supports any ODF formats.
But Andreas is not talking about DOC vs ODF. He is talking about DOC vs DOCX.
I agree with him - DOC was around earlier,
On 02/06/2012 at 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com
wrote:
The real big thing is how ready is this line to be used for business
users. During the 3.3.x and 3.4.x line crossover, you keep getting told
that this version is ready and that version is not.
I think you are
-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 10:40
On 02/06/2012 at 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com
wrote:
The real big thing is how ready is this line to be used for business
users. During the 3.3.x and 3.4
On 06/03/2012 05:40 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
On 02/06/2012 at 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_Pwebmas...@krackedpress.com
wrote:
The real big thing is how ready is this line to be used for business
users. During the 3.3.x and 3.4.x line crossover, you keep getting told
that this version is
On 06/03/2012 05:29 AM, Miros?aw Zalewski wrote:
On 03/06/2012 at 01:58, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:
The real problem is that ODF 1.2 is not supported by MS and I am not
sure if MSO XP supports any ODF formats.
But Andreas is not talking about DOC vs ODF. He is talking about DOC vs
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Jay Lozier wrote:
My choice of MS formats is done for*political* reasons not technical.
Some people I interact with need to feel comfortable that I can read a
MSOX format file and the best way to convey this is to send them MSOX
format files. Thus they do not need to worry
Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
.doc to .docx?
You divide by zero and a black hole appears. ;-)
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from .doc
to .docx?
Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.
Brian Barker
sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about
On 6/2/12 5:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
Unfortunately for MSO users its use the ribbon only, no option to use a
different interface.
No so, Jay.
I'm no longer a Windows or MSO user, although I have them except for
Office 2010. But I found these on the web:
To hide the ribbon in 2007 and
Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
.doc to .docx?
F.
Brilliant idea! This way you get much better results while the WinWord
user will not notice any difference at all.
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On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension
from .doc to .docx?
Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.
Brian Barker
sorry I
Am 03.06.2012 22:18, Jay Lozier wrote:
My idea is to show that whatever MS does with file formats that you are
not required to use MSO at all.
And this is falsified each and every day as you can read on this list,
in the press, anywhere on the internet.
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On 06/03/2012 03:30 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/2/12 5:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
Unfortunately for MSO users its use the ribbon only, no option to use a
different interface.
No so, Jay.
I'm no longer a Windows or MSO user, although I have them except for
Office 2010. But I found these on
On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension
from .doc to .docx?
Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.
Brian Barker
sorry I
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
.doc to .docx?
Roughly the same as if
Jude DaShiell wrote
No. Not ready for Government academic or business users. What's worse,
the accessibility problems inferior jre with windows registry patch
merged didn't start in libreoffice at all. Those same problems exist in
openoffice 3.45 which I think is its current version.
On 06/03/2012 05:17 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension
On 6/3/12 2:25 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
On 06/03/2012 03:30 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/2/12 5:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
Unfortunately for MSO users its use the ribbon only, no option to use a
different interface.
No so, Jay.
I'm no longer a Windows or MSO user, although I have them except for
On 6/2/12 8:46 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
There seems to be differenting opinions on how business ready 3.5.3 was
So now that LO 3.5.4 is out,
I ask the users, is it ready to be deployed to my/our business users?
We really need to know.
The last official word on the 3.5.x line was
[mailto:ville...@t-online.de]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 13:04
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
.doc to .docx?
F
At 19:03 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension
from .doc to .docx?
Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.
sorry I cut the thread
At 22:04 03/06/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes
the file extension from .doc to .docx?
Brilliant idea! This way you get much better
results while the WinWord user will not notice any difference at all.
then we will be able to choose formats later. If we can't then we
will stay stuck with the wrong format.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users
Hi :)
You have to use Save As ... Just renaming the file-extension probably wont
work as they are 2 very different formats.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4
Am 04.06.2012 00:59, Tom Davies wrote:
Andreas' and e-letter's answer is to tell people that to use LO they must stop
communicating with anyone that uses MS Office, so that is all their customers
and clients, their colleagues, their boss and people that work for them, their
family and
Am 04.06.2012 00:50, Brian Barker wrote:
You are implying that a file with a .docx extension but actually in .doc
format will be happily opened by Microsoft Word - that Word will simply
interpret the contents and ignore the inappropriate extension, that is.
Sadly for your theory, that appears
@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
Am 04.06.2012 00:50, Brian Barker wrote:
You are implying that a file with a .docx extension but actually in .doc
format will be happily opened by Microsoft Word - that Word will simply
interpret the contents
]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 13:04
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
.doc to .docx?
F.
Brilliant idea! This way
Am 02.06.2012 16:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
There seems to be differenting opinions on how business ready 3.5.3 was
So now that LO 3.5.4 is out,
I ask the users, is it ready to be deployed to my/our business users?
We really need to know.
The last official word on the 3.5.x line was
On 6/2/2012 8:37 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 02.06.2012 16:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
There seems to be differenting opinions on how business ready 3.5.3 was
So now that LO 3.5.4 is out,
I ask the users, is it ready to be deployed to my/our business users?
We really need to know.
The
No. Not ready for Government academic or business users. What's worse,
the accessibility problems inferior jre with windows registry patch
merged didn't start in libreoffice at all. Those same problems exist in
openoffice 3.45 which I think is its current version. Something or
somethings
Correction what I wrote applies only to the Windows version. I don't
have g.u.i. installed on Linux, I need something stable to use and
haven't tried this on my mac yet.
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012, Spencer Graves wrote:
On 6/2/2012 8:37 AM, Andreas S?ger wrote:
Am 02.06.2012 16:46,
Am 02.06.2012 21:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
No. Not ready for Government academic or business users. What's worse,
the accessibility problems inferior jre with windows registry patch
merged didn't start in libreoffice at all. Those same problems exist in
openoffice 3.45 which I think is its
trying the 3.5.4.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Sat, 2/6/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 2 June, 2012, 16:37
Am 02.06.2012 16:46
, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 2 June, 2012, 16:37
Am 02.06.2012 16:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
There seems
Tom :)
--- On Sat, 2/6/12, Andreas Sägerville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Sägerville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 2 June, 2012, 16:37
Am 02.06.2012 16:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote
Am 02.06.2012 23:26, Jay Lozier wrote:
I use 3.5.4.2 from the repository for both business and personal use and
do not have any issues for what I need and do with it. But I have
limited business needs with the most important issue being the ability
to open and to create docx and xlsx files from
Am 02.06.2012 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I do not know of any professional IT person who would offer a major
package to their boss with the an attitude of lets find out if it will
work, instead of these sources indicates it should work, so lets look
into it more.
Yes, sure. Recently
On 06/02/2012 05:50 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 02.06.2012 23:26, Jay Lozier wrote:
I use 3.5.4.2 from the repository for both business and personal use and
do not have any issues for what I need and do with it. But I have
limited business needs with the most important issue being the ability
On 06/02/2012 06:06 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 02.06.2012 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I do not know of any professional IT person who would offer a major
package to their boss with the an attitude of lets find out if it will
work, instead of these sources indicates it should work, so
Am 03.06.2012 01:21, Jay Lozier wrote:
Can you please explain why you create docx and xlsx and not doc and xls?
To keep others happy,
How can you be sure that you keep others happy with a poorly supported
file format? Why should a user of MSO be unhappy with doc/xls being a
second native
On 06/02/2012 07:35 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 03.06.2012 01:21, Jay Lozier wrote:
Can you please explain why you create docx and xlsx and not doc and
xls?
To keep others happy,
How can you be sure that you keep others happy with a poorly supported
file format? Why should a user of MSO
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