Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

On 09/10/2014 03:06 PM, jomali wrote:
> I downloaded the file and examined the parameters of the Level 3 style
> in the document and found that, under "Font Effects", Gray is checked.
> Could this be the source of the difficulty?
No because the issue is that it's inconsistent, not that it's
consistently not bolding. Also the same problem happens with other
heading styles --> just used #3 as an example.

Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[jomali]

I downloaded the file and examined the parameters of the Level 3 style in
the document and found that, under "Font Effects", Gray is checked. Could
this be the source of the difficulty?

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> LOL come on Tom - you know me better than that. It's not bolded for me -
> I look at the bold icon and it is not pressed. Then when I push ctrl  +
> b the font changes to the bold like all the other heading 3'syou
> should know that I wouldn't make such a mistake. If you really want
> proof I can upload another one with the line not bolded ;)
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
>
> On 09/10/2014 08:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > It is bold but "Header 3" makes things grey in the "Font Effects" tab
> > so it just doesn't look as bold as usual.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> > On 10 September 2014 16:01, Joel Madero  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
> > times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
> > style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
> > previous line when you start typing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Joel
> >
> > On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> > > Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
> > > Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it
> > off, it
> > > should go off.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero
> > mailto:jmadero@gmail.com>
> > > >>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
> > > "bold." I
> > > am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
> > provide an
> > > example if need be.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Calligra picked up on the styles correctly!
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 September 2014 19:29, Joel Madero  wrote:

> Hm - in bibisect package I can't confirm that, I went all the way back
> to 3.5beta0 :-/ Can you add your findings to the bug?
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
> On 09/10/2014 11:25 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> > Stays bold in Version 3.6:build-304 so a regression.
> > steve
> > On 2014-09-11 03:01, Joel Madero wrote:
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
> >> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
> >> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
> >> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
> >> previous line when you start typing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Joel
> >>
> >> On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> >>> Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
> >>> Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
> >>> should go off.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>  Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
> >>>  "bold." I
> >>>  am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
> >>> provide an
> >>>  example if need be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Best,
> >>>  Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Brian Barker]

At 19:40 10/09/2014 +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote:

Le 10/09/2014 19:10, Brian Barker a écrit :

At 18:36 10/09/2014 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote:
Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all 
previous style information though ?


This depends on what you mean. Applying one 
style of a type (character, paragraph, page, 
etc.) should replace the effects of the 
previous style of that type - but not styles of 
other types. So applying a paragraph style (as 
suggested in this enquiry) will replace any 
previous paragraph style but not, for example, 
any existing character style - which may well affect formatting.


In addition, the disparaged local (manual) 
formatting always supersedes that applied by 
styles, so applying a fresh paragraph style will not remove this.


It's really a bug because it's a predefined style.


Oh, indeed - as I'd already remarked to the 
questioner privately. This was just a response to 
the bare question asked by Mr Thurgood.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2014-09-10 17:09, Brian Barker wrote:

At 16:58 10/09/2014 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I think the trick is to not calculate the difference/no. samples and 
keep adding but to calculate the difference and multiply by position 
over number of samples added to start time.


For the avoidance of doubt, you will see that this is what my original 
suggestion (two days ago) does.



For a quick test this seems to give times to 0.00 of a second ...


No, it gives times to about *ten* fractional places of a second 
(0.00), but it may well *display* with less precision - 
depending on your cell formatting. This is one of the original 
questioner's misunderstandings.


Just meaning there is a pre-defined format that showed in my test to 
0.00 seconds.

Got to dash to beat the traffic, but can post the formula when I'm home.


Or see my original reply: " In B2, enter: =B1+(B$6-B$1)/5 and fill 
this down to B5"!



Hi Brian.
What I am meaning would be
B2=B1+(B$6-B$1)*1//5
B3=B1+(B$6-B$1)*2/5
.
.
B5=B1+(B$6-B$1)*4/5

Using =$B$1+($B$6-$B$1)*(ROW(A3)-ROW($A$1))/(ROW($A$6)-ROW($A$1)) makes 
the formula a bit more transferable.

As you say you can use time format HH:MM:SS.00 or HH:MM:SS.000 as desired.

Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

Hm - in bibisect package I can't confirm that, I went all the way back
to 3.5beta0 :-/ Can you add your findings to the bug?


Best,
Joel

On 09/10/2014 11:25 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Stays bold in Version 3.6:build-304 so a regression.
> steve
> On 2014-09-11 03:01, Joel Madero wrote:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
>> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
>> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
>> previous line when you start typing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>> On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
>>> Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
>>> Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
>>> should go off.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi All,
>>>
>>>  Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
>>>  "bold." I
>>>  am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
>>> provide an
>>>  example if need be.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Best,
>>>  Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Steve Edmonds]

Stays bold in Version 3.6:build-304 so a regression.
steve
On 2014-09-11 03:01, Joel Madero wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
previous line when you start typing.



Best,
Joel

On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:

Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
should go off.

Regards,



On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero mailto:jmadero@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Hi All,

 Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
 "bold." I
 am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
 example if need be.


 Best,
 Joel

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Spurious "Circular reference" errors

[djlynch]

Spreadsheet attached.

If there are circular references, I don't understand why they are not
flagged as errors after I recalculate.

David Lynch



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Sophie]

Hi Brian,
Le 10/09/2014 19:10, Brian Barker a écrit :
> At 18:36 10/09/2014 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote:
>> Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information
>> though ?
> 
> This depends on what you mean. Applying one style of a type (character,
> paragraph, page, etc.) should replace the effects of the previous style
> of that type - but not styles of other types. So applying a paragraph
> style (as suggested in this enquiry) will replace any previous paragraph
> style but not, for example, any existing character style - which may
> well affect formatting.
> 
> In addition, the disparaged local (manual) formatting always supersedes
> that applied by styles, so applying a fresh paragraph style will not
> remove this.

It's really a bug because it's a predifined style. So it should stay
consistent all over the document. I my test, there was no hard
formatting, I removed the content and apply the style as Joel said.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
I've sometimes had to bounce around between 2 or 3 unwanted styles before
the desired style will fully apply.  It's a bit of a pain but i figured it
was just me stuffing up somehow.

However, i am pretty sure that is a separate issue.  What Joel is showing
is soemthing i've not seen before.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 10 September 2014 17:36, Alex Thurgood  wrote:

> Le 10/09/2014 17:56, Dave Barton a écrit :
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> > Setting existing manually formatted text to "Heading 3" is an issue, if
> > the formatting is not completely cleared first.
>
> Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information
> though ? In that case, it would still be a bug.
>
> I've been hit by this very annoying behaviour more than once when using
> the default Heading styles - after all, what is the point of a default
> style if it isn't applied correctly ?
>
>
>
>
> Alex
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think just post the bug-report as is at the moment.  Then come back to do
all the fancy stuff later.  Otherwise i tend to find weird time-distortions
happen and get me in all sorts of trouble.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 September 2014 17:39, Joel Madero  wrote:

>
> On 09/10/2014 09:36 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:
> > Le 10/09/2014 17:56, Dave Barton a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> >> Setting existing manually formatted text to "Heading 3" is an issue, if
> >> the formatting is not completely cleared first.
> > Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information
> > though ? In that case, it would still be a bug.
> >
> > I've been hit by this very annoying behaviour more than once when using
> > the default Heading styles - after all, what is the point of a default
> > style if it isn't applied correctly ?
> Yup - pretty annoying but still a minor bug. Need to investigate if it's
> a regression or not. It's particularly an issue when you're working on
> really long documents (most of mine are at least 100-200 pages).
> Anyways, I'll see what I can figure out.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

Bug report: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83726


Best,
Joel


On 09/10/2014 10:10 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 18:36 10/09/2014 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote:
>> Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information
>> though ?
>
> This depends on what you mean. Applying one style of a type
> (character, paragraph, page, etc.) should replace the effects of the
> previous style of that type - but not styles of other types. So
> applying a paragraph style (as suggested in this enquiry) will replace
> any previous paragraph style but not, for example, any existing
> character style - which may well affect formatting.
>
> In addition, the disparaged local (manual) formatting always
> supersedes that applied by styles, so applying a fresh paragraph style
> will not remove this.
>
> Brian Barker 
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Spurious "Circular reference" errors

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If it's not hugely heavy and doesn't have confidential stuff such as names
and addresses or super-secret financial info then how about just uploading
it to Nabble and let us have a look?

It sounds to me like there is a circular reference buried somewhere in the
sheet but somehow you are managing to keep on dodging it
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 September 2014 17:59, david_lynch 
wrote:

> I have a quite complex spreadsheet. About half the time, when I change a
> cell, I get several hundred "Err: 522" cells. This will happen even when
> the cell I change is referenced by no other cell.
>
> I can get rid of all the Err:522 entries by CNTL:SHIFT:F9 or by double
> clicking on the column heading boundary of any affected column.  All is
> then fine for a little while.
>
> Is this a bug? Or is there something wrong with my spreadsheet?
>
> David Lynch
>
>
> 4.3.0.4 on windows 8.1
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Brian Barker]

At 18:36 10/09/2014 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote:

Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information though ?


This depends on what you mean. Applying one style of a type 
(character, paragraph, page, etc.) should replace the effects of the 
previous style of that type - but not styles of other types. So 
applying a paragraph style (as suggested in this enquiry) will 
replace any previous paragraph style but not, for example, any 
existing character style - which may well affect formatting.


In addition, the disparaged local (manual) formatting always 
supersedes that applied by styles, so applying a fresh paragraph 
style will not remove this.


Brian Barker  



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[libreoffice-users] Spurious "Circular reference" errors

[david_lynch]

I have a quite complex spreadsheet. About half the time, when I change a 
cell, I get several hundred "Err: 522" cells. This will happen even when 
the cell I change is referenced by no other cell.


I can get rid of all the Err:522 entries by CNTL:SHIFT:F9 or by double 
clicking on the column heading boundary of any affected column.  All is 
then fine for a little while.


Is this a bug? Or is there something wrong with my spreadsheet?

David Lynch


4.3.0.4 on windows 8.1

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

On 09/10/2014 09:36 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:
> Le 10/09/2014 17:56, Dave Barton a écrit :
>
> Hi Dave,
>
>> Setting existing manually formatted text to "Heading 3" is an issue, if
>> the formatting is not completely cleared first.
> Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information
> though ? In that case, it would still be a bug.
>
> I've been hit by this very annoying behaviour more than once when using
> the default Heading styles - after all, what is the point of a default
> style if it isn't applied correctly ?
Yup - pretty annoying but still a minor bug. Need to investigate if it's
a regression or not. It's particularly an issue when you're working on
really long documents (most of mine are at least 100-200 pages).
Anyways, I'll see what I can figure out.


Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Alex Thurgood]

Le 10/09/2014 17:56, Dave Barton a écrit :

Hi Dave,

> Setting existing manually formatted text to "Heading 3" is an issue, if
> the formatting is not completely cleared first.

Shouldn't applying the style overwrite all previous style information
though ? In that case, it would still be a bug.

I've been hit by this very annoying behaviour more than once when using
the default Heading styles - after all, what is the point of a default
style if it isn't applied correctly ?




Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

> Don't be in too much of a rush to post a bug Joel. Wherever I type on a
> blank line in your example file and set "Heading 3" (either before or
> after typing) I get 14pt Bold Liberation Sans text in a "User Defined"
> colour. Which in my assessment is the correct behaviour.
>
> Setting existing manually formatted text to "Heading 3" is an issue, if
> the formatting is not completely cleared first.
I have confirmation from 4 people that this is a bug so indeed going to
report a bug.


Best,
Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

[Dave Barton]

Also the data acquisition software. I have written a few data
acquisition programs and in some cases the sample rate was extremely
high over an extended period of time. To keep the file sizes down to
something reasonable I stored the captured data with a compression
algorithm which, amongst other things, eliminated most of the time
stamps. I then provided an user option in the UI to either
display/export the raw data or a representation of the full details.

What the OP describes is simple raw data and maybe there is a similar
display/export option in the capture software being used here.

Dave

Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> It might also be helpful if you mentioned your data acquisition hardware.
> 
> It might be that using a standard interval reading is possible and you
> don't have to guess about the readings at all.
> 
> Start 00:00:00, first interval 00:01:00, second interval 00:02:00 etc...
> 
> 
> On 9/10/2014 7:45 AM, William Drago wrote:
>> It might be helpful if you post the actual start/stop times for the
>> 2026 samples. There's more than one way to skin this cat and I'd only
>> look for solutions outside of Calc as a very last resort.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>> On 9/9/2014 8:22 PM, office76#xt wrote:
>>> Thanks for the replies.
>>>
>>>My earlier example was a
>>> simplified version of the data I'm working with. When Brian & Wdragos
>>> technique is applied to the 2026 samples I really have, it sort of
>>> works so
>>> I can see what your talking about. I keep altering the incrementation
>>> that
>>> takes place in this technique to try to get the last cell to say the
>>> stop
>>> time.  It comes pretty close but is always off by a few minutes. The
>>> reason
>>> for this is theres a limit to the precision you can do with Times in
>>> OpenOffice Calc. Using the hr/mn/sec format you can't generate small
>>> enough
>>> increments to get the generated times to match the stop time. If
>>> there was a
>>> hr/mn/sec/fraction of a second format you could do it. In Calc theres  a
>>> time format that looks like this, but in practice it doesn't 'roll over'
>>> like say minutes or seconds.
>>>
>>> It looks like Calc's stock functions won't do the job. I'm thinking of
>>> getting around this by finding some source for a stopwatch program, and
>>> maybe modifiying it to do something similar, but with a greater
>>> precision of
>>> incrementation.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Dave Barton]

Joel Madero wrote:
> 
> On 09/10/2014 08:21 AM, Sophie wrote:
>> Hi Joel,
>> Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
>>> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
>>> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
>>> previous line when you start typing.
>> It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
>> it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
>> You found a bug I guess ;)
> \O/ Sweet! One point for me :-D That being said, it's actually not just
> the end - that's just one of the obvious ways to trigger the issue. I'd
> have to play around with the document to find another consistent place
> where it happens. I shall report the bug, quite minor I suppose since
> you can always just select and bold the text - just styles should be
> consistent all the time (as this is their entire point). Thanks Sophie
> for confirmation that I'm not going crazy.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Joel

Don't be in too much of a rush to post a bug Joel. Wherever I type on a
blank line in your example file and set "Heading 3" (either before or
after typing) I get 14pt Bold Liberation Sans text in a "User Defined"
colour. Which in my assessment is the correct behaviour.

Setting existing manually formatted text to "Heading 3" is an issue, if
the formatting is not completely cleared first.

Version: 4.3.1.2
Build ID: 958349dc3b25111dbca392fbc281a05559ef6848
Win 7 x64

If it would help I can test a few other versions and Linux later.

Best
Dave




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Just confirmed on LO 4.2.6 on Ubuntu.

Of course Joel was right!  The B button wasn't pushed in but in the styles
settings it was marked.  I looked in the obscure only, not in the obvious.
I've also only just noticed several style changes in the UI that look
rather nice.  Several icons look much prettier and/or clearer now.  The
Bold button has a nice lighting effect.

Nice work and good changes! :)))
Regards from
Tom :)


On 10 September 2014 16:29, Joel Madero  wrote:

>
> On 09/10/2014 08:21 AM, Sophie wrote:
> > Hi Joel,
> > Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
> >> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
> >> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
> >> previous line when you start typing.
> > It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
> > it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
> > You found a bug I guess ;)
> \O/ Sweet! One point for me :-D That being said, it's actually not just
> the end - that's just one of the obvious ways to trigger the issue. I'd
> have to play around with the document to find another consistent place
> where it happens. I shall report the bug, quite minor I suppose since
> you can always just select and bold the text - just styles should be
> consistent all the time (as this is their entire point). Thanks Sophie
> for confirmation that I'm not going crazy.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

It might also be helpful if you mentioned your data acquisition hardware.

It might be that using a standard interval reading is possible and you 
don't have to guess about the readings at all.


Start 00:00:00, first interval 00:01:00, second interval 00:02:00 etc...


On 9/10/2014 7:45 AM, William Drago wrote:
It might be helpful if you post the actual start/stop times for the 
2026 samples. There's more than one way to skin this cat and I'd only 
look for solutions outside of Calc as a very last resort.


-Bill

On 9/9/2014 8:22 PM, office76#xt wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

   My earlier example was a
simplified version of the data I'm working with. When Brian & Wdragos
technique is applied to the 2026 samples I really have, it sort of 
works so
I can see what your talking about. I keep altering the incrementation 
that
takes place in this technique to try to get the last cell to say the 
stop
time.  It comes pretty close but is always off by a few minutes. The 
reason

for this is theres a limit to the precision you can do with Times in
OpenOffice Calc. Using the hr/mn/sec format you can't generate small 
enough
increments to get the generated times to match the stop time. If 
there was a

hr/mn/sec/fraction of a second format you could do it. In Calc theres  a
time format that looks like this, but in practice it doesn't 'roll over'
like say minutes or seconds.

It looks like Calc's stock functions won't do the job. I'm thinking of
getting around this by finding some source for a stopwatch program, and
maybe modifiying it to do something similar, but with a greater 
precision of

incrementation.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

On 09/10/2014 08:21 AM, Sophie wrote:
> Hi Joel,
> Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
>> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
>> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
>> previous line when you start typing.
> It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
> it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
> You found a bug I guess ;)
\O/ Sweet! One point for me :-D That being said, it's actually not just
the end - that's just one of the obvious ways to trigger the issue. I'd
have to play around with the document to find another consistent place
where it happens. I shall report the bug, quite minor I suppose since
you can always just select and bold the text - just styles should be
consistent all the time (as this is their entire point). Thanks Sophie
for confirmation that I'm not going crazy.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Sophie]

Hi Joel,
Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
> previous line when you start typing.

It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
You found a bug I guess ;)
Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

LOL come on Tom - you know me better than that. It's not bolded for me -
I look at the bold icon and it is not pressed. Then when I push ctrl  +
b the font changes to the bold like all the other heading 3'syou
should know that I wouldn't make such a mistake. If you really want
proof I can upload another one with the line not bolded ;)


Best,
Joel


On 09/10/2014 08:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :) 
> It is bold but "Header 3" makes things grey in the "Font Effects" tab
> so it just doesn't look as bold as usual. 
> Regards from
> Tom :) 
>
> On 10 September 2014 16:01, Joel Madero  > wrote:
>
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
> previous line when you start typing.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
> On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> > Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
> > Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it
> off, it
> > should go off.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero
> mailto:jmadero@gmail.com>
> > >>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
> > "bold." I
> > am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
> provide an
> > example if need be.
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It is bold but "Header 3" makes things grey in the "Font Effects" tab so it
just doesn't look as bold as usual.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 September 2014 16:01, Joel Madero  wrote:

>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
> times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
> style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
> previous line when you start typing.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
> On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> > Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
> > Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
> > should go off.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
> > "bold." I
> > am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
> > example if need be.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
previous line when you start typing.



Best,
Joel

On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
> Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
> should go off.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero  > wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
> "bold." I
> am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
> example if need be.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good point.  It could be a rendering issue in one program or it might be a
glitch in a graphics card or even a screen-fault.  I very much doubt the
later but either of the former are possible.  Of course if the glitchy
program is Adobe Reader then you're still stuck because it's so widely
prevalent and difficult to post bug-reports against it.  Lets hope it was
just a problem in a friendly OpenSource reader!
Regards from
Tom :)



On 10 September 2014 14:41, anne-ology  wrote:

>Are you sure these so-called images exist?;
>   I see extraneous lines whenever I view any PDF ...
>  yet they disappear when the image is viewed in another program
> ???
>
>
>
> From: dave boland 
> Date: Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects
> To: LibreOffice 
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>
> All,
>
> I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF.  The PDF had some
> extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they came
> from.  The first step is to see if there are any objects that are hidden
> (behind something else, or a color the same as the background, etc.) in
> the source drawing.  How do I do that?  Select All doesn't seem to help.
>
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> Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Errors in (google drive doc - gdoc) --> ( open doc -- odt ) conversion.

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry we couldn't help you with this!

After you've done the current work it might be good to post a bug-report
with google.  It's likely to be google docs fault and it's a shame they
don't offer good alternatives!  They are one of the companies that
expressed support for LibreOffice and are listed on our supporters page.
So it might be good to mention it on our discussion mailing-list to try to
reach someone with an official TDF email address to see if they can get
something done about it for next time.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 8 September 2014 00:18, Alexandros Prekates 
wrote:

>
> On 07/09/2014 01:19 μμ, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> You can switch LibreOffice to use ODF 1.1 instead of the default
>> 1.2 (Extended)
>> by going to;
>>
>> Tools - Options - Load/Save - General
>>
>> Then about halfway down (or up) is a drop-down that lets you choose;
>> 1.0/1.1
>> 1.2
>> 1.2 (Extended)
>> Note that the "Extended" part of that 3rd option is to test-drive things
>> that Oasis are considering for the next version of ODF, maybe 1.3 or
>> something.  However it normally takes ages to define a new version of ODF
>> as it's decided by a committee of several hundred software companies, and
>> other organisations along with some fairly expert volunteers.  Nothing
>> gets
>> into an ODF standard until after it has been rigorously tested out in the
>> wild on real-world machines.
>>
>> The devs have been working on a new option for that drop-down to hopefully
>> wrap-up most of those options into 1 consolidated version.  I'm not sure
>> if
>> that's what the 1.0/1.1 is about or if a 4th option might suddenly appear.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, going by what Owen Genat said 22hours ago it might be worth
>> setting
>> this option to see if it helps import the gdocs.  I've a feeling this
>> setting is just about exporting/saving documents but it might help deal
>> with the issue Owen raised.
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
> I tried it with no luck.
> Alexandros.
>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects

[anne-ology]

   Are you sure these so-called images exist?;
  I see extraneous lines whenever I view any PDF ...
 yet they disappear when the image is viewed in another program  ???



From: dave boland 
Date: Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Finding hidden Draw objects
To: LibreOffice 


All,

I did a drawing using Draw, then exported to PDF.  The PDF had some
extraneous objects in it, so I was trying to figure out where they came
from.  The first step is to see if there are any objects that are hidden
(behind something else, or a color the same as the background, etc.) in
the source drawing.  How do I do that?  Select All doesn't seem to help.

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If you are not happy with Calc and looking for a reason to use something
else then maybe try Gnumeric.

It is a specialist tool that focusses more on spreadsheeting functionality
without having to worry about any other apps as it's a stand-alone tool.
It co-operates well with LibreOffice/OpenOffice and others in the same
eco-system.

Brian's answer probably works in that too or (unlikely but theoretically
possible) might need a little tweak for Gnumeric.

I still think Mr Drago's post was to help explain Brian's answer rather
than being intended as an answer in it's own right.  It alerts us to the
potential for a "fence post" error and that clarifies why Brian set his
figures as he did.

Now that the question has been extended to a greater sample it might be
better to upload the problem file (or just the sheet) to Nabble or
somewhere so that people can help identify the problem created by
up-scaling the formula.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 10 September 2014 06:09, Brian Barker  wrote:

> At 16:58 10/09/2014 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>
>> I think the trick is to not calculate the difference/no. samples and keep
>> adding but to calculate the difference and multiply by position over number
>> of samples added to start time.
>>
>
> For the avoidance of doubt, you will see that this is what my original
> suggestion (two days ago) does.
>
>  For a quick test this seems to give times to 0.00 of a second ...
>>
>
> No, it gives times to about *ten* fractional places of a second
> (0.00), but it may well *display* with less precision - depending
> on your cell formatting. This is one of the original questioner's
> misunderstandings.
>
>  Got to dash to beat the traffic, but can post the formula when I'm home.
>>
>
> Or see my original reply: " In B2, enter: =B1+(B$6-B$1)/5 and fill this
> down to B5"!
>
>
> Brian Barker
>
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[libreoffice-users] Five tips for speeding up your work within LibreOffice Writer - TechRepublic

[James Knott]

I came across this article recently.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/five-tips-for-speeding-up-your-work-within-libreoffice-writer/?tag=nl.e011&s_cid=e011&ttag=e011&ftag=TRE475558a


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

[William Drago]

I think we understand each other, Brian. It's all good...

Regards,
-Bill

On 9/9/2014 8:03 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 07:22 09/09/2014 -0400, William Drago wrote:
Since the OP was confused by your instructions 
(indicating his level of inexperience with spreadsheets) 
and you did not explain how to fill the column or the 
purpose of $, I offered what I thought would be easier 
for someone at his level to understand.


And I had - *of course* - no problem with that.

My solution is not intended as a criticism of your 
solution, which made perfect sense to me and is 
frequently what I do in my own spreadsheets.


My only quibble was that you presented it as what I was 
"trying to say" - which wasn't so. Sorry if I gave any 
impression of being dismissive. This is a discussion list, 
after all.


I merely offered an alternative to someone who was 
struggling.


Splendid! And exactly why I offered my approval by 
finishing "chacun à son goût".


Brian Barker




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

[William Drago]

It might be helpful if you post the actual start/stop times 
for the 2026 samples. There's more than one way to skin this 
cat and I'd only look for solutions outside of Calc as a 
very last resort.


-Bill

On 9/9/2014 8:22 PM, office76#xt wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

   My earlier example was a
simplified version of the data I'm working with. When Brian & Wdragos
technique is applied to the 2026 samples I really have, it sort of works so
I can see what your talking about. I keep altering the incrementation that
takes place in this technique to try to get the last cell to say the stop
time.  It comes pretty close but is always off by a few minutes. The reason
for this is theres a limit to the precision you can do with Times in
OpenOffice Calc. Using the hr/mn/sec format you can't generate small enough
increments to get the generated times to match the stop time. If there was a
hr/mn/sec/fraction of a second format you could do it. In Calc theres  a
time format that looks like this, but in practice it doesn't 'roll over'
like say minutes or seconds.

It looks like Calc's stock functions won't do the job. I'm thinking of
getting around this by finding some source for a stopwatch program, and
maybe modifiying it to do something similar, but with a greater precision of
incrementation.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Footnotes

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
My post was a question.  I was asking IF Zotero can handle this too or even
makes the problem evaporate.

Zotero has seemed to help a lot of people in the past who have had lots of
different problems with referencing things.

My money would be on Brian's answer being the one that fixes the problem,
especially since Jean-Francois has had success with it.  Brian's answers
usually fix exactly the thing that the person asks about and quite often
deals with some of the side issues too, but not always.  Owen's answer was
also good because by defining the technical definitions of the terms used
in the original question might help "draw out" the real question either for
Steve or for someone in the future looking through the archives and finding
this thread.

We still haven't heard back from Steve so it's uncertain if he has solved
the problem or if his problem doesn't fit into the neat definitions
outlined by Owen and Brian.

Sorry for the confusion there!
Regards from
Tom :)


On 10 September 2014 09:59, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:

> Sorry about the half email before...
>
> On 10 September 2014 10:13, Sigrid Carrera 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>> Hi :)
>> I thought Zotero was often used as an Extension/Add-on/Plug-in to improve
>> the handling of this sort of thing?  The default one included in
>> LibreOffice is more than good enough for me but uni students and others
>> might benefit from adding in a specialist tool such as Zotero
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>
> Can you explain to me, what Zotero has to do with footnotes? Zotero is a
> tool, that can handle all the scientific references for you and format
> everything in the specific format, that you are required to provide those.
> It has really nothing to do with footnotes at all. Please have a look at
> zotero.org for more information.
>
> Sigrid
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Footnotes

[Sigrid Carrera]

Sorry about the half email before...

On 10 September 2014 10:13, Sigrid Carrera  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> Hi :)
> I thought Zotero was often used as an Extension/Add-on/Plug-in to improve
> the handling of this sort of thing?  The default one included in
> LibreOffice is more than good enough for me but uni students and others
> might benefit from adding in a specialist tool such as Zotero
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

Can you explain to me, what Zotero has to do with footnotes? Zotero is a
tool, that can handle all the scientific references for you and format
everything in the specific format, that you are required to provide those.
It has really nothing to do with footnotes at all. Please have a look at
zotero.org for more information.

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Footnotes

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi Tom,
Hi :)
I thought Zotero was often used as an Extension/Add-on/Plug-in to improve
the handling of this sort of thing?  The default one included in
LibreOffice is more than good enough for me but uni students and others
might benefit from adding in a specialist tool such as Zotero
Regards from
Tom :)




On 8 September 2014 17:50, Jean-Francois Nifenecker <
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Le 08/09/2014 13:43, Brian Barker a écrit :
> >
> > I'm not sure a note that doesn't relate to any point in the text makes
> > sense, but ...
>
> neither am I
>
> >
> > You may have to tinker with spacing in the footnote itself. And I don't
> > guarantee what will happen to the automatic numbering of any other
> > footnotes: you may have to resort to manual numbering of those.
>
> Very clever! I've tested this hint and it works very nicely (I've added
> the DT autotext for testing the footnote contents). The other footnotes
> numbering stays normal. Great hint! Thanks a lot!
>
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