[libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB 10.5.0 alpha now available

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I just thought this might be of interest to anyone using MariaDb or who
thinks they are using MySql or who might want to experiment with the kinda
development branch of MariaDb.  Please make sure you take decent back-ups
of your current database(s) before exploring though!
Regards from a Tom :)



On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 00:01, MariaDB Announce List 
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idk, sorry! :( Re: Re[2]: [libreoffice-users] Impress window position

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I don't know how to do this!  Sorry!

Can you have a 2nd user-login or profile that can have the screens set-up
differently?  Is the problem down to having your desktop extended rather
than as an independent screen?

I use use Ubuntu with Gnome/Unity rather than Kde (ie as in Kubuntu).  Kde
tends to have LOADS more options available easily but sometimes is
surprisingly sparse.  On Ubuntu the "Control Panel" / "System Settings" has
2 or 3 icons for changing different features of the screens.  The one that
lets you set resolution&aspect-ratio has a slider/tick-box to switch
between extending the desktop across the monitors or keeping them somewhat
separate.

However I think that is then set for the whole OS rather than per-user.  So
one option might be to set-up a dual-boot / multi-boot by adding a fairly
small partition (maybe 25Gb? or less? Maybe 8Gb might be enough for
openSuSE?) to install an entirely separate openSUSE on.  That could be on a
Usb-stick.

Another option might be to find how to run an entirely separate X-server
with it's own xorg.conf but I've never tried that and idk what happens
about mouse-keyboard or android-remote(?) sharing.  The apps store for
Android has an Impress app that is specifically for making a handheld
(phone or tablet) or perhaps even a wearable into a remote control unit
that should magically find whichever screen is running the Impress
presentation.


I'm kinda hoping someone has an answer inside LibreOffice or at least has
more knowledge about Kde!

Apols and regards from a Tom :)



On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:23 malcolm moore  Sorry a bit sparce on information...
>
> It's openSUSE Tumbleweed
> KDE Plasma
> The screen is extended to the right
>
> Mal
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> --
> From: Tom Davies (tomc...@gmail.com)
> Date: 11/03/19 18:18
> To: malcolm moore (st-malcolm.mo...@whsg.info)
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress window position
>
> Hi :)
> Errr, which OS platform?  Is it some version of Linux (such as Ubuntu,
> Mint, Redhat or something) or is it some flavour of Windows (such as Xp,
> Vista, Win7, Win8, Win8.1 or Win10 or something?) or is it a Mac or BSD or
> something else?
>
> Also do you know if the the 2 screens are really treated as 1 very large
> screen?  We can probably help with that if we knew which platform, or
> better still which specific OS.
>
> Good luck and regards from a Tom :)
>
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 08:58, malcolm moore 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is it possible to get Impress  to go full screen for a presentation
> > without going
> > over the top of everything - here is the scenario - I have 2 screens, one
> > is an
> > interactive whiteboard and I am running OpenBoard. When I start a
> > presentation
> > it goes full screen and covers the OpenBoard 'control' panel. If I bring
> > the OpenBoard
> > to on top when I move to the next slide Impress goes over the top again
> > and
> > hides OpenBoard
> >
> > Ta
> >
> > Mal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress window position

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Errr, which OS platform?  Is it some version of Linux (such as Ubuntu,
Mint, Redhat or something) or is it some flavour of Windows (such as Xp,
Vista, Win7, Win8, Win8.1 or Win10 or something?) or is it a Mac or BSD or
something else?

Also do you know if the the 2 screens are really treated as 1 very large
screen?  We can probably help with that if we knew which platform, or
better still which specific OS.

Good luck and regards from a Tom :)



On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 08:58, malcolm moore 
wrote:

>
>
> Is it possible to get Impress  to go full screen for a presentation
> without going
> over the top of everything - here is the scenario - I have 2 screens, one
> is an
> interactive whiteboard and I am running OpenBoard. When I start a
> presentation
> it goes full screen and covers the OpenBoard 'control' panel. If I bring
> the OpenBoard
> to on top when I move to the next slide Impress goes over the top again
> and
> hides OpenBoard
>
> Ta
>
> Mal
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Help needed with Excel spreadsheet

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sounds like a perfect time to suggest they install LO too.

If an Excel person hadn't immediately found what they were looking for in
Calc they would have immediately claimed that Calc couldn't do the task.

There are loads of articles about LO that have such posts in the comments
section.  It can be fun to refute them in as few words as possible.
Regards from a Tom :)


On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 18:21 Luuk 
> On 6-3-2019 17:48, Tom Williams wrote:
> > On 3/6/19 8:26 AM, Tom Williams wrote:
> >> I know it's odd to ask for Excel help in this mailing list but I need
> >> help locating a LibreOffice Calc function/feature in Excel.  :)
> >>
> >> I'm helping a friend create a billing invoice and since I'm a Linux
> >> user, I'm using Calc to build the template.  So far, it's working well
> >> and given I'm not an Excel user, I find myself struggling some in
> >> getting Excel to "behave".  Anyway, I recently discovered the "/Expand
> >> reference when new rows are inserted/" in Calc.  It does exactly what I
> >> needed.   When I add/remove a row in/from the spreadsheet, my total
> >> "SUM()" formula is updated automagically.
> >>
> >> Does the equivalent feature exist in Excel?  What I've found is, when
> >> adding rows *after* the last row in my SUM() formula, the new row is
> >> excluded from the SUM() formula.   So, my formula is "=SUM(D7:D27)".
> >> Once I add row 28, I need the SUM() formula to be updated to
> >> "=SUM(D7:D28)".  Conversely, when row 28 is removed, I want the SUM()
> >> formula to be updated to "=SUM(D7:D27".   In Calc, the "/Expand
> >> reference when new rows are inserted/" feature does this work for me.
> >>
> >> I did some web searching and found this article:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/excel/3895-excel-update-formula-when-inserting-rows.html
> >>
> >> but I hope to find an easier and more flexible way to accomplish what I
> >> need.  Or is that approach what I really should use?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance!
> >>
> >> Peace...
> >>
> >> "The Other" Tom
> >>
> >>
> > Nevermind!  I found this:
> >
> > https://bettersolutions.com/excel/formulas/automatic-expansion.htm
> >
> > That should do what I need!
> >
> > Thanks anyway!  :)
> >
> > Peace...
> >
> > "The Other" Tom
> >
> When i was reading above, i thought you were search for subtotals.
>
> Excel has also a function named SUBTOTAL()
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/subtotal-function-7b027003-f060-4ade-9040-e478765b9939
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] saving a calc spreadsheet as template with its functions?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahah!  I knew I was missing something!  :)

Is there any chance of sending the spreadsheet to me?  If there is a
confidentiality issue then just say no.

I'm not clear about the exact details but it sounds similar to something
I've used for something completely different.  In my case a cash-book to
keep track of cash (weirdly) instead of number of words.

If I am correct then you have some numbers typed in somewhere; either in
hidden(?) columns or rows or in a hidden tab or in an external
data-source.  The formulas then display notes, figures, totals or whatnot
based on those typed figures.

If you just delete the hard-coded (typed in) figures then the formulae
should remain.

Since it's a spreadsheet, rather than a database, some individual cells
might not be exactly what they were meant to be but looking at the cells
around will hopefully help you mend them. Copy&paste or dragging the little
black cross from a neighbouring cell often fixes things neatly and Ctrl Z
undoes if it just made things worse (or Edit - Undo etc).


Somewhere in the menus there's an option to "display formulae".  I suspect
it's somewhere in;
Tools - Options - Calc ?


Am I getting warmer or am I further off on a different wild tangent?  The
mailing-list strips attachments off emails before sending the email off to
everyone so if you just "reply to all", or whatever you did last time, then
only I will get your attached spreadsheet.

Regards from
a Tom :)





On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:40 Sharon Kimble  Tom Davies  writes:
>
> > Hi :)
> > I just click on the save button or on;
> >
> > File - Save As
> >
> > Job done.
>
> To clarify ...
>
> I have a spreadsheet of 5 tabs called 'word-count-antonine.ods' which I
> would like to use as
> a word-count template for future books that I intend to write. WCA starts
> at Saturday July 28 2018
> with initial word counts which are then updated manually whenever I do
> more writing.
>
> I would like to have this as a template with blank cells except they have
> kept the functions from
> the original spreadsheet, so that I can start with a new date and work
> onwards from there and show
> exactly the same information as in my original spreadsheet, but the new
> one is now named for another
> project.
>
> I have saved the WCA spreadsheet as a template, but it is still showing
> exactly the same information in each cell as the original one was, whereas
> I was hoping that the functions would remain but the cells appear blank.
>
> Does my original question make sense now please?
>
> Thanks
> Sharon.
>
> > I'm not sure what the problem is.  Is it that someone using Microsoft
> Office can't see the file you have created?  Microsoft is usually blind and
> unable to cope with standards, even 'standards' of it's own devising.
> Using LibreOffice,
> > Google-docs, OpenOffice or any other office program you should be able
> to easily see the file you created.
> >
> > With the File - Save As route a dialogue box pops up.  Near the bottom
> of the dialogue-box, just above it's own Save button, there is an option to
> choose format.  By default it says "All formats" but actually just saves it
> in native
> > .Ods format.  Amongst the other formats it offers are the unreliable,
> ever changing Microsoft formats such as .Xlsx and their older format .Xls.
> There is also a format specifically for proper Templates, and an equivalent
> for Microsoft
> > Office templates.
> >
> > My old boss used to talk about making a template but he really meant
> just a normal file, in an MS format, that he would then overwrite and
> forget to keep an unfilled copy of anywhere.  Having an actual proper
> template would confuse him
> > and he'd delete it.
> >
> > In much the same way he kept using the term "double entry" to mean a
> mistake where someone had entered the same thing twice instead of using it
> the way accountants and bookkeepers have been using it for the last several
> hundred years.
> > Presumably he thought an advert for a "double-entry bookkeeper" was
> because companies were really keen to employ someone who made a LOT of
> mistakes!
> >
> > If you really mean a proper template then Chapter 3 of the "Getting
> Started Guide";
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> > (or scroll down further to Chapter 4 of the "Calc Guide") might help.
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/83/GS6003-StylesAndTemplates.pdf
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e8/CG4104-StylesAndTemplates.pdf
> >
> > There are pre-made t

Re: [libreoffice-users] saving a calc spreadsheet as template with its functions?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I just click on the save button or on;

File - Save As

Job done.

I'm not sure what the problem is.  Is it that someone using Microsoft
Office can't see the file you have created?  Microsoft is usually blind and
unable to cope with standards, even 'standards' of it's own devising.
Using LibreOffice, Google-docs, OpenOffice or any other office program you
should be able to easily see the file you created.


With the File - Save As route a dialogue box pops up.  Near the bottom of
the dialogue-box, just above it's own Save button, there is an option to
choose format.  By default it says "All formats" but actually just saves it
in native .Ods format.  Amongst the other formats it offers are the
unreliable, ever changing Microsoft formats such as .Xlsx and their older
format .Xls.  There is also a format specifically for proper Templates, and
an equivalent for Microsoft Office templates.


My old boss used to talk about making a template but he really meant just a
normal file, in an MS format, that he would then overwrite and forget to
keep an unfilled copy of anywhere.  Having an actual proper template would
confuse him and he'd delete it.

In much the same way he kept using the term "double entry" to mean a
mistake where someone had entered the same thing twice instead of using it
the way accountants and bookkeepers have been using it for the last several
hundred years.  Presumably he thought an advert for a "double-entry
bookkeeper" was because companies were really keen to employ someone who
made a LOT of mistakes!

If you really mean a proper template then Chapter 3 of the "Getting Started
Guide";
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
(or scroll down further to Chapter 4 of the "Calc Guide") might help.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/83/GS6003-StylesAndTemplates.pdf
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e8/CG4104-StylesAndTemplates.pdf

There are pre-made templates at;
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/templates
which you can adapt and use, or just use as they are, for free.

Here's an extremely brief bit of help about templates;
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Creating_a_Document_Template
but it's probably better to go with one (or both) of the chapters above
because they have a lot more information to skim through.


Good luck and many regards from
a Tom :)







On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:52, Sharon Kimble 
wrote:

> I have a question which I can't find an answer to, how can I save a calc
> spreadsheet as a template with all cells being blank, but still retaining
> the functions within it please?
>
> Thanks
> Sharon.
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Renaming user profile. Re: [libreoffice-users] Auto recovery problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
This link might help;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

Renaming the profile, or backing it up before resetting it means you keep
all your galleries and templates and stuff in a separate place.  So you can
copy stuff back into your fresh new profile if you want to.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 13:20 Carl Paulsen  Thanks for this suggestion.  I'll try it next time I notice the problem
> (which could be soon since I'm not convinced I've fixed it).
>
> Carl
>
>
> On 2/4/19 8:09 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:
> > Carl,
> >
> > I have experienced this endless auto-recovery on startup problem
> > before. Whenever I got it, I "reset" my user profile and it stopped
> > doing it. Offhand, I don't remember the exact steps to do that, but a
> > search of this forum should turn up the procedure or maybe someone out
> > there who knows it can give it to you. I have developed the process of
> > occasionally saving the good profile in a directory somewhere so I can
> > just copy it back to resolve such a problem and still keep my settings.
> >
> > HTH.
> >
> > Girvin Herr
> >
> >
> > On 2/4/19 4:13 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote:
> >> Windows 10.  I think the LO version is either 6.1.4 or the previous
> >> one. Note that earlier in the day I was struggling with the same
> >> problems and saw that LO was telling me there was a new release. So
> >> in desperation I upgraded, which I think was to 6.1.4.  That computer
> >> is down for the night but I can check again tomorrow.  In any case
> >> that didn't fix it.
> >>
> >> Note that I eventually got the system to work...sometimes.  I had
> >> de-registered the databases for my other issue, cleared the
> >> auto-recovery, started working with new files and got them to work
> >> sometimes.  An example is a label document, where I saved the labels
> >> as a LO Writer document with the merge fields in it, and merged to a
> >> full sheet.  That document continues to open with the auto-recover
> >> for itself, whether I discard the recovery point or not.  When it
> >> opens it seems to work fine.
> >>
> >> With another document, a merge letter, I saved it with merge fields
> >> in place.  That one appears to open without the auto-recovery, though
> >> this one opened with merge data in the place of the fields.  And in
> >> this case I at some point I exchanged databases so I could build a
> >> merged file with a second data set. What seems like is happening is
> >> the documents get saved and closed, and then there's some kind of
> >> flag in the file that didn't get reset by the save, which marks it as
> >> damaged/needing recovery.  So it triggers the auto-recovery system
> >> even when it's not needed.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/4/19 6:06 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:
> >>> Two things are needed to help you: your version of LibreOffice, and
> >>> your operating system.
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>> On 2/4/19 4:43 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote:
>  I'm trying to create a mail merge document for a letter.  I'm
>  adding fields directly to retain formatting control and NOT have to
>  deal with a text block which is how the wizard inserts addresses.
>  I've had some success after a LONG time trying to figure out how to
>  do this.  Documentation is a bit lacking on this approach.
> 
>  The real problem is happening when I try to close and then reopen
>  the document.  The file appears to close fine but when I try to
>  reopen it, LibreOffice seems to think the file is damaged.  I can
>  recover and the file opens fine, but same thing happens when I try
>  to reopen again.  I can also "discard" the auto-recovery which
>  should fix the auto-recover so it doesn't come up again, but in
>  fact it DOES.  Even when discarding recovery points, the program
>  continues to think there's a problem with the file and re-opens the
>  auto recovery.
> 
>  I can't find any way to deal with this problem.  BTW, it seems that
>  I finally figured out how to generate the merged letters, so I
>  assume the file is basically OK.  But I still get the auto-recovery
>  screen.
> 
>  I'd love to get this to stop.  It's a hassle, slows me down, and
>  doesn't show LO at it's best when I'm showing friends and clients.
> 
>  Carl
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 6.2 New Features video script for translations

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thought you might like to see a video about LibreOffice
Regards from a Tom :)

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 12:32 Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm making a video showing off the new features in the upcoming 6.2
> release. The script is here, for those who'd like to translate it:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/6.2_New_Features_Script
>
> Thanks in advance for all your help! We've had lots of translations for
> the last two videos (LO 6.1, 50,000 views -- and LO 6.0, 209,000 views)
>
> Cheers :-)
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Lost all my spread sheets

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Have you emailed them recently?  Have you copied any onto usb?  Have you
edited them on a different computer recently?

Any of those sorts of things mean you have some sort of informal back-up
that may help you recover.

What happened just before losing spreadsheets?  Is it just MS Excel that
can't find them?  Also if you can, please let us know what Operating System
(Win 10, Xp, Ubuntu, OSX, etc) or even just what platform (ie Windows, Mac,
Linux, Bsd)?

Regards from a Tom :)




On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:54 Tholan Haynes,  wrote:

>
>
> Sent from Mail for
> Windows 10
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding keyboard shortcut

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The crucial part is at the end of Stuart's email.  Apparently you can
modify the action of "backspace" by following his advice.
Regards from
a Tom :)




On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 00:19 Rich Shepard,  wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, V Stuart Foote wrote:
>
> > The *delete* you want is assigned in LibreOffice via the "Backspace"
> > function, aka a *rubout*.
>
>Not quite. The backspace key deletes the character to the left of the
> cursor's position while the Del key deletes the character to the right of
> the cursor's position. I want to make ctrl-d function like the Del key.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
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Congrats!! Re: [libreoffice-users] Help! Can't delete floating frame!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Congrats!!  Nicely done! :)))

You don't need to add a floating frame, or any frame at all.  Just drag the
image onto the page and position it.  If you right-click on the image you
get choices such as;
* add border
* add caption
* anchor to paragraph or
* anchor to page
along with various "wrap" options to make the writing flow around the
image, or through the image, or give it a lot of space.

Sorry this is so late!
Good luck, congrats and regards from
a Tom :)




On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 00:15, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:44:09 -0700
> John Jason Jordan  dijo:
>
> >And the paper I'm working on is due tomorrow!
> >
> >I wanted to add a picture (it's a .png file) so I selected Insert >
> >Floating Frame, gave it a name, and there it was. Then I added my .png
> >file to it, whereupon I realized that I needed to edit the .png file
> >first, plus the floating frame was in the wrong location. I have spent
> >the past hour trying to delete the floating frame, but can't figure out
> >how. It is completely grayed out and I can't figure out how to select
> >it.
>
> Never mind. I stumbled on the answer - you can only select it by
> clicking precisely on the edge, and I mean *precisely*.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The ODF (= Open Document Format) for spreadsheets is .odS the .odT is for
text-based documents.

LibreOffice can open Microsoft formats such as .xlsx and .xls for
spreadsheets.  The older format, the .xls, is the better one because it has
stopped constantly changing in every release of MS Office.

With .xlsx you can never be sure how messed-up it might be, although it
does have the advantage that it can handle advanced features (of MS Office)
that almost no-one uses - although pretty much everyone thinks they use
them because they don't understand that what is routine and basic for a
computer is often complicated and tricky for humans.

However it is worth noting that it is MS Office that has troubles coping
with almost any formats (even with MS formats) whereas LibreOffice can
usually handle pretty much anything.

So the person sending you the file doesn't have to worry about trying to
understand what they are doing and can just send you a file they saved in
the normal way they save anything.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:53 Peggy, <33mar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all of you for helping me to understand how it works.
> Unfortunately, when I tried to open the file with (what I thought was
> Writer but was any of them as I now understand) it was saved with the SLSX
> extenstion, LibreOffice gave me a message that the file was corrupt. I
> selected the try to fix option, but they couldn't repair it. I had another
> option to save the file in the .odt extension, but that didn't work either,
> so it must be the file itself that is the problem. I'll contact the creator
> of the file.
>
> It was worth it to understand yet a little more about LibreOffice!
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:12 AM, M Henri Day  wrote:
>
> > Den fre 10 aug. 2018 kl 15:19 skrev Peggy <33mar...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Sorry. I meant 6.0.6. With Win 7 Pro, although I have a new computer on
> >> the
> >> way with Win 10 (probaby Home verson). This was the first time I wanted
> to
> >> use anything but LibreWriter, so when I couldn't find "Calc"
> >> or any of the other ones like "Draw" or "Base" I downloaded the newest
> >> version (besides the one for early adopters) hoping all the modules
> would
> >> be there.
> >> I didn't see anything about having to download them separately.
> >>
> >> Thanks for replying!
> >
> >
> > Peggy, you certainly shouldn't have to download and install the six LO
> > modules - Base, Calc, Draw, Impress, Math, Writer - seperately  ; if
> you've
> > downloaded the installation package for LibreOffice 6.0.6.2 for Windows
> > from the LO site and then installed it, when you click the Windows 7 menu
> > icon at the left of your taskbar, and then select «All Programs» you
> should
> > see a folder-like icon for LibreOffice 6.0. Clicking that will open to 8
> > applications : LibreOffice, LibreOffice (Safe Mode), Base, Calc, Draw,
> > Impress, Math, and Writer. Clicking on any of these should launch that
> > particular application. Does performing the above lead to a different
> > outcome for you ?...
> >
> > Henri
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] New features in 6.1.0 Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Text for "New Features" page for translation, after LO 6.1 release

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I really liked the way you got instant support from someone else on the
mailing-list confirming that they too had the same problem a then a load of
people trying to pin-down exactly which OSes or at least platforms were
affected and which web-browsers.

It sounds like maybe someone heard us and fixed the problem pretty quickly
or perhaps that had been underway already but either way it was good to see
so many people quickly jumping in to help.  I was about to post my own
machine and web-browser but someone else beat me to it by posting the
result of an almost identical set-up.

This mailing list is ace :))  Thanks all!! :)
Regards from
a Tom :)





On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 19:31, Paul D. Mirowsky 
wrote:

> I don't know what happened, but I tried it in Chrome, Explorer and
> Firefox and had similar loading problems.
>
> Restarted machine and Firefox is working now.
>
> Probably related to NVidia driver, but who knows.
>
> Sorry about the false start.
>
> Enjoying the video now.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 8/8/2018 1:14 PM, Eddie wrote:
> > I watched it just fine on Vivaldi 1.15, Windows 10. I'm stoked about
> > the new icon sets!
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:13:07 -0400
> > "Paul D. Mirowsky"  wrote:
> >
> >> FYI
> >>
> >> 11:08 AM EST
> >>
> >> YouTube video is not displaying.
> >>
> >> Results in message "If playback doesn't begin shortly, try restarting
> >> your device" in Firefox.
> >>
> >> Interestingly enough, if you move your cursor over the time line, it
> >> display image from video.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/8/2018 7:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >>> Hi :)
> >>> Mike Saunders and the rest of the marketing team (and translators)
> >>> have made a video showing the new features in LibreOffice 6.1.0.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoCpnwGNFU
> >>>
> >>> I think some of the new features are things that have been asked
> >>> about quite recently- and might mean we have better answers for
> >>> those questions now.
> >>>
> >>> Be wary though !!  This is the .0 release and it's only just been
> >>> releasedtoday so this is THE point at which the most unexpected and
> >>> unlikely breakages of functionality may occur !  It is also the
> >>> BEST time to try out he new version AWAY from your regular install
> >>> preferably on a system you don't rely on for work or in a sandboxed
> >>> area (Gnu&Linux has MANY different ways of creating safe-areas to
> >>> try things out in).
> >>>
> >>> It is THE time that the most devs are focusing on this new release
> >>> so it's the best time to find bugs or features that have gone wonky
> >>> and post bug-reports about them.
> >>>
> >>> This is also a good time to join the QA Team to help them with
> >>> filing&admin tasks, and perhaps asking bug-reporters for relevant
> >>> information that might help the devs handle their request and
> >>> generally help with first responses.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck and regards from
> >>> a Tom :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 11:13, Mike Saunders <
> >>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 07/08/2018 16:01, Mike Saunders wrote:
> >>>>> 2) There is a new video for LibreOffice 6.1; I'll provide the
> >>>>> updated URL tomorrow just before launch.
> >>>> Here it is:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoCpnwGNFU
> >>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] New features in 6.1.0 Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Text for "New Features" page for translation, after LO 6.1 release

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm really glad about the improved image handling.  Has anyone tried that
feature yet?  There have been all sorts of problems with images over the
years so i'm really glad of the work that has gone into that :))

I don't get hugely excited about icons, unless they are really unclear.
These are clear so it's a big (but unexcited)  thumbs up from me :)

What features do other people like?
Regards from
a Tom :)


On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 18:17, Eddie  wrote:

> I watched it just fine on Vivaldi 1.15, Windows 10. I'm stoked about
> the new icon sets!
>
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:13:07 -0400
> "Paul D. Mirowsky"  wrote:
>
> > FYI
> >
> > 11:08 AM EST
> >
> > YouTube video is not displaying.
> >
> > Results in message "If playback doesn't begin shortly, try restarting
> > your device" in Firefox.
> >
> > Interestingly enough, if you move your cursor over the time line, it
> > display image from video.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > On 8/8/2018 7:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > > Mike Saunders and the rest of the marketing team (and translators)
> > > have made a video showing the new features in LibreOffice 6.1.0.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoCpnwGNFU
> > >
> > > I think some of the new features are things that have been asked
> > > about quite recently- and might mean we have better answers for
> > > those questions now.
> > >
> > > Be wary though !!  This is the .0 release and it's only just been
> > > releasedtoday so this is THE point at which the most unexpected and
> > > unlikely breakages of functionality may occur !  It is also the
> > > BEST time to try out he new version AWAY from your regular install
> > > preferably on a system you don't rely on for work or in a sandboxed
> > > area (Gnu&Linux has MANY different ways of creating safe-areas to
> > > try things out in).
> > >
> > > It is THE time that the most devs are focusing on this new release
> > > so it's the best time to find bugs or features that have gone wonky
> > > and post bug-reports about them.
> > >
> > > This is also a good time to join the QA Team to help them with
> > > filing&admin tasks, and perhaps asking bug-reporters for relevant
> > > information that might help the devs handle their request and
> > > generally help with first responses.
> > >
> > > Good luck and regards from
> > > a Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 11:13, Mike Saunders <
> > > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 07/08/2018 16:01, Mike Saunders wrote:
> > >>> 2) There is a new video for LibreOffice 6.1; I'll provide the
> > >>> updated URL tomorrow just before launch.
> > >> Here it is:
> > >>
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoCpnwGNFU
> > >>
> > >> Mike
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[libreoffice-users] New features in 6.1.0 Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Text for "New Features" page for translation, after LO 6.1 release

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Mike Saunders and the rest of the marketing team (and translators) have
made a video showing the new features in LibreOffice 6.1.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoCpnwGNFU

I think some of the new features are things that have been asked about
quite recently- and might mean we have better answers for those questions
now.

Be wary though !!  This is the .0 release and it's only just been
releasedtoday so this is THE point at which the most unexpected and
unlikely breakages of functionality may occur !  It is also the BEST time
to try out he new version AWAY from your regular install preferably on a
system you don't rely on for work or in a sandboxed area (Gnu&Linux has
MANY different ways of creating safe-areas to try things out in).

It is THE time that the most devs are focusing on this new release so it's
the best time to find bugs or features that have gone wonky and post
bug-reports about them.

This is also a good time to join the QA Team to help them with filing&admin
tasks, and perhaps asking bug-reporters for relevant information that might
help the devs handle their request and generally help with first
responses.

Good luck and regards from
a Tom :)




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mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> On 07/08/2018 16:01, Mike Saunders wrote:
> >
> > 2) There is a new video for LibreOffice 6.1; I'll provide the updated
> > URL tomorrow just before launch.
>
> Here it is:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoCpnwGNFU
>
> Mike
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry all!  Especially sorry to Tim who didn't deserve my rant at all.

It is really hot here and i'm struggling to cope with the heat and it's
making me grouchy so i should have stayed away or at least left it as a
draft for a couple of days before choosing to send or abandon.

Anyway, many apologies and regards from
a Tom :)


On 6 August 2018 at 17:57, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> When you photocopy something or when an artist copies a famous painting
> there are usually differences between the copy and the original.  The copy
> is often thought of as inferrior.  If you take a photocopy of a photocopy
> of something and keep on going copying the most recent copy rather than the
> original then the newer copy's quality plummets.
>
> If you look at a dinner fork then which of the prongs is the continuation
> of the handle?  Can it be said that only 1 is the original handle and the
> others are just copies?  Of course the prongs are usually all smaller and
> thinner so maybe none of them are the original handle as none of them
> resemble it.
>
> If i email you a file then the copy you get is identical - so the idea
> that it is a 'copy' rather than the original is just semantics.
> Philosophically we could argue that you now have the original and i have
> kept a copy.
>
> When a project such as OOo forks it is even less clear which is the
> original and which is the copy.  People who had applied changes to the
> code-base under Sun found those changes finally approved and applied to the
> same code-base but that was now becoming called LibreOffice.  While they
> had been developing the code they had been OOo people·  Their code went to
> OOo and got applied to LO.
>
> Quite sizable chunks of code hadn't been changed since before even Sun,
> back when OOo was called Star Office.
>
> When Oracle bought-out Sun one of it's first acts was to completely cease
> any communication with the community that had been working on OOo.  They
> seized assets belonging to the community and restricted people's access to
> various parts of the infrastructure that the community had built.  They
> fired most of Sun's staff that had been working on OOo or redirected them
> to work on other things.
>
> Meanwhile an awesome bunch of 20 people had been enacting a plan that Sun
> and the community had drawn-up to migrate OOo off to be it's own separate
> and independent organisation.  So pretty much the only people working on
> OOo at that time were continuing to move OOo forwards by making it
> independent.  Most of the community followed them and i think some of the
> ex-Sun staff also followed in a voluntary capacity.
>
> All that Oracle kept was the name, the branding (which almost no-one had
> ever heard of at that point), and a bit of a ghost town where there had
> been a bustling vibrant community.  Their prong was seriously diminished
> and was almost nothing like what OOo had been.
>
> Also meanwhile the various forks that had been using OOo as the base of
> their own projects almost all carried on seamlessly by using LO as their
> base.  Even as it was forming TDF was FAR more responsive to community
> developments than even Sun had been so a lot of those forks sent their work
> upstream to LO, got their work approved and merged back into LO.
>
> One of those forks was Go-OO, which collectively handled all the changes
> required by all the different Gnu&Linux distros.  Their improvements had
> been going on for over a decade so when they merged into LO the code was
> massively improved and all the distros dropped the Sun OOo or Go-OO
> branding and started using LibreOffice's - but by doing so they were
> continuing to use the same thing that they always had been using.
>
> It might only seem like semantics but we are not some random fragment
> picked up by clueless people who had never worked on it before (although
> some of us are - well i am).  We are not a cheap knock-off copy. I think
> it's important for us to realise that we are part of a decades-old project
> with the experience, wisdom and reliability that brings.
>
> Regards from a Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 August 2018 at 05:16, Tim-L  wrote:
>
>>
>> I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades.
>>
>> As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to
>> make it easier maintain and upgrade.
>>
>> Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to use.
>> Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into individual
>> projects.  I am glad I went with LibreOffice.
>>
>>
>> On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
&

Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't print a document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry to ask but which OS or platform are you using?  Windows, Gnu&Linux or
some other?

I'm not sure if it is relevant but which version of LibreOffice?  The
"Help" menu under "About" usually gives that sort of information.

Also have you tried "print to file" instead of selecting a printer - and
then choose Pdf format so that you can have a quick poke around in the
resulting file to see if that looks about right or is also just blank.

Does the printer feed quite a few blank pages or does it just rattle a bit
and then just sit there glowering or acting all innocent or something?

Sorry i can't give any sensible suggestions!  Tim @ Kracked Press is often
good at printer issues.

Regards from
a Tom :)



On 6 August 2018 at 23:55, Eddie  wrote:

> Make a liar outta me, willya? Mere hours after I sent a message to this
> list saying "I'm not sure I've *ever* had a LibreOffice document
> (Writer or Calc) fail on me", I ran into one.
>
> It's a Writer document; the whole thing is a three-column table with
> somewhat different information in each cell. There are 132 rows in
> twelve 8½ x 11 pages. There is some formatting: font attributes and
> sizes, no images, nothing really crazy.
>
> When I've tried to print it, the print "progress bar" (I think that's
> what you call it) takes a somewhat long time on the first page, then
> whips through the next eleven, and then nothing prints.
>
> It's probably a corrupted file. I can live with copy-and-pasting the
> contents into a template and making a brand new document, but I'd
> rather not. Is there some setting I might have unwittingly turned on
> that would forbid printing?
>
> I also tried saving it as a .docx in Writer, and the results were
> identical.
>
> I don't think the capacity of the hardware is at issue here; I have
> several documents very much like this one - some are larger - and have
> never had an iota of trouble printing any of them before or since. For
> the record, though, the printer is a Color LaserJet M477fdw.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Documents wearing out?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yep, sounds good to me :)  It is tempting fate a bit to say such a thing so
i'm crossing my fingers as i try to tpye.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On 6 August 2018 at 23:41, Eddie  wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:46:15 +0100
> Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > It 'shouldn't do'  but what should happen and what actually happens
> > are often at least 2 different things.  In this case it's very
> > unlikely to go wrong though.
> >
> > The main thing is to have a duplicate 'copy' in ODF format as a
> > back-up in case the file does go wonky.  Ideally either emailed to
> > yourself, or copied to a Cloud, or saved on a usb-stick or on a
> > different machine or just somewhere other than the 1 place you
> > usually use it from.
> >
> > I suspect that your file is of the type that it's already got several
> > old versions of itself floating around in different places already -
> > and that might be enough if the main up-to-date version ever does go
> > wonky.
> >
> > Between LibreOffice 3.x.x and 4.0.0 there were significant changes
> > that made it worth refreshing quite a lot of documents in the way you
> > suggested.  Ideally pasting as unformatted text or by going via a
> > text-editor to strip out all the cruft defunct formatting accumulated
> > over the years - and then reapplying styles and formatting after.
> >
> > I don't think it's been needed since then.
> >
> > If you bounce it around between different formats, especially if it's
> > been saved and re-used from a Microsoft format for MS Office 2010 or
> > more recent then it might well be a good idea to de-cruft it - but
> > that is more to do with the messiness and constantly changing
> > "transitional" versions of it's format used in different versions of
> > MS Office.
> >
> > If it's stayed as an Odt (or whatever) then the build-up of cruft is
> > unlikely to be noticeable.
> >
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
>
> Thanks, Tom. This document has never been anything but an .odt, so I'm
> safe there. I haven't noticed the file size getting outlandishly
> bulbous, either. Once in a while I make a plain-text copy, so between
> that and a backup on a flash drive, it sounds like I'm safe continuing
> to do what I'm doing.
>
> Best,
>
> Eddie
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Documents wearing out?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It 'shouldn't do'  but what should happen and what actually happens are
often at least 2 different things.  In this case it's very unlikely to go
wrong though.

The main thing is to have a duplicate 'copy' in ODF format as a back-up in
case the file does go wonky.  Ideally either emailed to yourself, or copied
to a Cloud, or saved on a usb-stick or on a different machine or just
somewhere other than the 1 place you usually use it from.

I suspect that your file is of the type that it's already got several old
versions of itself floating around in different places already - and that
might be enough if the main up-to-date version ever does go wonky.

Between LibreOffice 3.x.x and 4.0.0 there were significant changes that
made it worth refreshing quite a lot of documents in the way you
suggested.  Ideally pasting as unformatted text or by going via a
text-editor to strip out all the cruft defunct formatting accumulated over
the years - and then reapplying styles and formatting after.

I don't think it's been needed since then.

If you bounce it around between different formats, especially if it's been
saved and re-used from a Microsoft format for MS Office 2010 or more recent
then it might well be a good idea to de-cruft it - but that is more to do
with the messiness and constantly changing "transitional" versions of it's
format used in different versions of MS Office.

If it's stayed as an Odt (or whatever) then the build-up of cruft is
unlikely to be noticeable.

Regards from
a Tom :)



On 6 August 2018 at 17:55, Eddie  wrote:

> I have a to-do list in Writer that I update and save at least once a
> day. I've had the same document for several months, and have probably
> revised and saved it 250 times.
>
> I have had no problem at all with it, but I'm wondering if a document
> that has been used and abused that often may be prone to corruption or
> damage? Should I consider cut-and-pasting the information into a blank
> document on a regular schedule? Or just do the whole thing over from
> scratch, also on a regular schedule?
>
> I'm not sure I've *ever* had a LibreOffice document (Writer or Calc)
> fail on me, but I'm certain I've never put one through the grinder at
> this pace.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
When you photocopy something or when an artist copies a famous painting
there are usually differences between the copy and the original.  The copy
is often thought of as inferrior.  If you take a photocopy of a photocopy
of something and keep on going copying the most recent copy rather than the
original then the newer copy's quality plummets.

If you look at a dinner fork then which of the prongs is the continuation
of the handle?  Can it be said that only 1 is the original handle and the
others are just copies?  Of course the prongs are usually all smaller and
thinner so maybe none of them are the original handle as none of them
resemble it.

If i email you a file then the copy you get is identical - so the idea that
it is a 'copy' rather than the original is just semantics.  Philosophically
we could argue that you now have the original and i have kept a copy.

When a project such as OOo forks it is even less clear which is the
original and which is the copy.  People who had applied changes to the
code-base under Sun found those changes finally approved and applied to the
same code-base but that was now becoming called LibreOffice.  While they
had been developing the code they had been OOo people·  Their code went to
OOo and got applied to LO.

Quite sizable chunks of code hadn't been changed since before even Sun,
back when OOo was called Star Office.

When Oracle bought-out Sun one of it's first acts was to completely cease
any communication with the community that had been working on OOo.  They
seized assets belonging to the community and restricted people's access to
various parts of the infrastructure that the community had built.  They
fired most of Sun's staff that had been working on OOo or redirected them
to work on other things.

Meanwhile an awesome bunch of 20 people had been enacting a plan that Sun
and the community had drawn-up to migrate OOo off to be it's own separate
and independent organisation.  So pretty much the only people working on
OOo at that time were continuing to move OOo forwards by making it
independent.  Most of the community followed them and i think some of the
ex-Sun staff also followed in a voluntary capacity.

All that Oracle kept was the name, the branding (which almost no-one had
ever heard of at that point), and a bit of a ghost town where there had
been a bustling vibrant community.  Their prong was seriously diminished
and was almost nothing like what OOo had been.

Also meanwhile the various forks that had been using OOo as the base of
their own projects almost all carried on seamlessly by using LO as their
base.  Even as it was forming TDF was FAR more responsive to community
developments than even Sun had been so a lot of those forks sent their work
upstream to LO, got their work approved and merged back into LO.

One of those forks was Go-OO, which collectively handled all the changes
required by all the different Gnu&Linux distros.  Their improvements had
been going on for over a decade so when they merged into LO the code was
massively improved and all the distros dropped the Sun OOo or Go-OO
branding and started using LibreOffice's - but by doing so they were
continuing to use the same thing that they always had been using.

It might only seem like semantics but we are not some random fragment
picked up by clueless people who had never worked on it before (although
some of us are - well i am).  We are not a cheap knock-off copy. I think
it's important for us to realise that we are part of a decades-old project
with the experience, wisdom and reliability that brings.

Regards from a Tom :)







On 6 August 2018 at 05:16, Tim-L  wrote:

>
> I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades.
>
> As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to make
> it easier maintain and upgrade.
>
> Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to use.
> Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into individual
> projects.  I am glad I went with LibreOffice.
>
>
> On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of
>> infrastructure.  Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo
>> moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible.  The
>> code was initially the same.
>>
>> So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally
>> followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent
>> organisation.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L  wrote:
>>
>> On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of
infrastructure.  Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo
moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible.  The
code was initially the same.

So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally
followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent
organisation.
Regards from
a Tom :)




On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L  wrote:

> On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote:
>
>> On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote:
>>>
 How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help
 files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there
 FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist.
 Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may
 have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius
 has decided it is unnecessary.

 Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04.

 I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT >
>>> PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too.  However, I was able to add a
>>> watermark by doing this:
>>>
>>>   1. Use "Format > Page > Area"  menu to access the "Fill" setting.
>>>   2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic"
>>>  button to import my image.
>>>   3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting
>>>  of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting)
>>>
>>> When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in
>>> full color (no opacity).
>>>
>>> Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Peace...
>>>
>>> "The Other" Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information:
>>
>> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/
>>
>>
>> Peace...
>>
>> "The Other"  Tom
>>
>>
>> I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmapto add a background image.
>
> I use to create an image for the watermark with  GIMP or other software
> and make them look transparent there. I even test them with that package to
> see how the graphic will work.  I made one for a letterhead that showed
> printed, but would not copy when you try to use a printer/scanner or a copy
> machine. This was a security feature I made for an organization I am still
> on the board of [since 2007].
>
> I have use the transparency menu for other background images and
> watermarks.
>
> I have been making watermarks and background images with foreground text
> since the earliest days of LibreOffice and some of the later years of OOo -
> a number of yours before LO came out.
>
> I still need to upgrade to the next version [6.0.6, but have downloaded
> the DEB install files.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Accents in spelling check

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 21:55 Séamas Ó Brógáin,  wrote:

> I was dismayed to discover recently (and surprised that I never noticed
> before) that Libre Office disregards the difference between, say, á and
> a in spelling checks, and in find and replace. (Dismayed also to
> imagine that someone thinks this is a good idea.)
>
> I wonder if anyone knows how (or whether) I could fix this. Or perhaps
> it’s not in Libre Office at all but in Hunspell, or otherwise deep down
> in the system. I’ve done some searching but can’t find any relevant
> information.
>
> In case it matters, I’m using Libre Office 6.0.5.2 on Ubuntu Mate 18.04.
>
> Many thanks for any help.
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer 6.0 Guide published

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I thought some people here might be interested to know there is a new
Writer Guide available.

Apparently there is also a video of the new features in 6.0.x branch.
Regards from a Tom :)

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 13:51 Olivier Hallot, 
wrote:

> Hello Jean
>
> Thank you so much for your effort in bringing this volume to life !
>
> I have updated the documentation site with the new book and all the
> internal links. As you know, this website is also accessed from the Help
> menu of the software so, it is expected quite a lot of downloads of the
> book.
>
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org
>
> Kind regards
>
> Olivier
>
>
> Em 31/07/2018 22:00, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Writer 6.0 Guide published. ODTs and cover files are on ODFAuthors,
> except
> > for the full book ODT which is too large:
> >
> https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/published-lo-6.0
> > PDFs and ODTs of full book and individual chapters are here:
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide
> > Printed copy (for purchase) is here:
> >
> http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/libreoffice-60-writer-guide/23199200
> >
> > Feel free to find all my mistakes and let me know!
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Basic pseudo object code no reachable when defined into a basic library...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Oooo there's some value in a nice cuppa T.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 20 July 2018 at 09:49,  wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> typo spotted in the Initialize sub :
>
> Private Sub Class_Initialize()
>  _valute = 1
> End Sub
>
> instead of
>
> Private Sub Class_Initialize()
>  _value = 1
> End Sub
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error messge interpretation...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is the relationship;
1 to 1
1 to many or
many to 1

Or am i barking up the wrong tree - or just plain barking?
Regards from
a Tom :)


On 17 July 2018 at 14:23, Michael Tiernan  wrote:

> I have a fairly simple form that queries a DB.
>
> I have a form and a subform.
>
> I "linked" the two fields for the subform and when I execute the form, I
> get the error message:
>
> SQL Status: HY000
> Error code: 1
>
> parameter marker count incorrect
>
> I assume it should be obvious but I can't figure out where the problem is.
>
> Anyone able to offer a breadcrumb for me to follow?
>
> Thanks for everyone's time.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Changing the "Get involved" menu on the LibreOffice website?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I thought you might be interested in a question on the Marketing mailing
list at the moment.   If you have some ideas for them or can help them at
all then please contact them directly because i'm not around enough to be
some sort of middle-man or liaison between the groups.

Sorry!
Good luck and regards from
a Tom :)




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> Hi everyone,
>
> On https://www.libreoffice.org we have a menu heading "Get involved",
> where we encourage people to join the project. But I've been thinking:
> it doesn't really express any benefits. So I've come up with a couple of
> alternatives, shown in the mock-ups here:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/ChcTugu
>
> What do you think? Which is better for translation? Any others we should
> try? I quite like "Improve LibreOffice" personally...
>
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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 8th birthday is on 28th September

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
  8th birthday is on 28th September

I'm not planning anything but there is around 2 months to get something
together.  Where i live that is not enough notice to hire a hall or
anything so they'll all be booked up already.

If you fancy planning something you might find the Marketing mailing list
has some helpful ideas and maybe some things.

Regards from
a Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply, Reply all, Reply list, and getting offended (was Calculate difference between two,dates (with time))

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1

This mailing list is a gateway from the Microsquish world so we have got to
be able to handle whatever systems MS users are using at any point in
time.  We cannot expect them to magically know all our individual pet
hates.  We cannot expect them to change ALL their systems at the same time
just in order to be able to communicate with us.

We cannot be unwelcoming and petulant because many people have stayed away
from linux for exactly that reason.  Various projects such as Ubuntu
started using a  "Code of Conduct" to welcome people in  One of the crucial
jobs of this mailing list is to be welcoming instead of judgmental.

Regards from
a Tom :)





On 13 July 2018 at 23:14, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

>
> On 07/13/2018 12:57 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> > So use Thunderbird on Mint and stop using your phone. Or take the
> > trouble to edit recipients on your phone, or get a better mail app on
> > your phone.
> >
> > FWIW, I use claws, which is available for a range of systems.
> >
> > Mails from this list include this header:
> >
> > List-Post: <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
> >
> > and that tells your mail program that it should reply to the list. So
> > the list is not broken, your mailer is if it doesn't.
> >
>
> Even though Dave has bid me farewell, I do want to respond more fully
> for the benefit of the list.
>
> Tom had very accurately described the behavior most of us seem to
> experience daily with the LO mailing list, that hitting "Reply"
> typically responds to the original sender while hitting "Reply All"
> responds to original sender with a Cc to the list. Thunderbird has added
> a "Reply List" button which is helpful in addressing this type of behavior.
>
> Dave responded to Tom claiming that Tom's description of the design of
> the LO list simply isn't true and that any email client that behaves as
> Tom described is "broken." When I agreed with Tom description, Dave
> advised me that, if my mailer doesn't display the header as his does, it
> is because my mailer is "broken." I have been on the LO mailing list for
> many years and none of the mailers I have used, whether under Windows,
> Linux, or Android, have displayed the header as Dave describes. Rather,
> they all display it as seen in my response to Tom below:
>
> >>  Original message 
> >> From: Tom Davies 
> >> Date: 7/13/18 9:55 AM (GMT-06:00)
> >> To: Dave Howorth 
> >> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculate difference between two
> >> dates (with time)
> >>
>
> You'll see that, even though I received the email from the LO list, the
> header states that it was sent from Tom to Dave, with a Cc to the list.
>
> Now, apparently Dave has found a mailer that behaves differently and I'm
> happy for him. Of course, that doesn't mean that any program that
> doesn't behave as his does is "broken." That's the M$ mentality,
> insisting that the whole world comply with its way of working no matter
> if it is unique.
>
> I think we can all agree the LO list behaves differently than other
> email lists. I have belonged to many other email lists and they all --
> with the sole exception of the LO list -- reply directly to the list by
> hitting "Reply." Based on posts that I have read on this list over many
> years, it appears that this is the most common behavior with the
> majority of LO list users across a wide variety of email client
> software. Like Tom, I have never seen a post that claimed, as Dave did,
> that hitting "Reply" responds directly to the list.
>
> Obviously there is a disconnect somewhere. Since other mailing lists are
> designed in such a way that hitting "Reply" responds to the list on all
> email clients, it seems that the LO list could likewise be so designed.
> Tom has suggested that the LO list designers have deliberately chosen
> not to design it that way because most users don't *want* to respond to
> the list by clicking "Reply." Dave has responded by saying that the LO
> list is behaving just fine and everybody else should just use a
> different mailer. He even ordered me to stop using my phone to respond
> to LO emails.
>
> So, assuming both Tom and Dave are accurately describing the behavior of
> the LO list on their respective software, there a several possible
> solutions.
>
> 1. The LO list could be redesigned to behave like other mailing lists so
> that hitting "Reply" responds to the list, not the individual sender.
> 2. The many, many, many LO list memb

Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculate difference between two dates (with time)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Wow!!  That is the first time anyone has said that on this mailing list
afaik

Are you using Thunderbird or "The Bat!" or what?
Regards from
a Tom :)




On 13 July 2018 at 15:13, Dave Howorth  wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:10:38 +0100
> Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > It is the design of the mailing list.  It's designed so that people
> > can't just "reply to" in order to reply to the whole mailing list.
> > Clicking on "reply to" makes the reply private so that it can't be
> > seen by the mailing list as a whole.
>
> That's simply not true. I just clicked on Reply to send this message,
> and as you can see, it has been sent to the whole list.
>
> You must be using a broken mailer.
>
> > The only option offered by most email clients is the "Reply to all".
> > Some specialist and rarely used email clients do offer a "Reply to
> > group" but that is rarely needed for any other mailing list or
> > anywhere so people are not used to using it, even if they are lucky
> > enough to have the option available.
> >
> > This problem is compounded by the "Reply to all" putting the mailing
> > list's address in the "CC" field instead of the "To".  This means
> > that almost everyone is supposed to perform some dexterous
> > cut&pasting for every single reply which is a real pita on a
> > hand-held device and is not entirely easy on the most commonly used
> > email clients.
> >
> > I think a lot of us have complained to the people who carefully
> > set-up the mailing list to misbehave in this awkward and clumsy
> > fashion but they claim that the majority of people prefer it this way.
> >
> > So we have had to learn to just delete twice or answer once and
> > delete the second one or some-such.  Hitting the delete key really
> > not that arduous surely?
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13 July 2018 at 13:48, Robert Großkopf 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi michael,
> > >
> > > at first: Why do you answer to the list, some other persons and my
> > > private mail-address? I am reading and writing the the list and
> > > doens#T need the same message twice.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have tried it with German date-time-values and have set only
> > > >> =A2 - A1
> > > >> ... and it returns 06:50:00
> > > >>
> > > >> Regrads
> > > >>
> > > >> Robert
> > > > That would give difference in hours only, but would not give the
> > > > days This is cells L1-M7 Right of ___ is column M contents.
> > >
> > > OK, need the day as a separate value:
> > > =ABRUNDEN(B1-A1)&":"&TEXT(B1-A1;"HH:MM")
> > >
> > > ABRUNDEN is the German Name for the function. Could be it is named
> > > FLOOR in the English version.
> > >
> > > HH:MM gives the hours and minutes without the days.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calculate difference between two dates (with time)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It is the design of the mailing list.  It's designed so that people can't
just "reply to" in order to reply to the whole mailing list.  Clicking on
"reply to" makes the reply private so that it can't be seen by the mailing
list as a whole.

The only option offered by most email clients is the "Reply to all".  Some
specialist and rarely used email clients do offer a "Reply to group" but
that is rarely needed for any other mailing list or anywhere so people are
not used to using it, even if they are lucky enough to have the option
available.

This problem is compounded by the "Reply to all" putting the mailing list's
address in the "CC" field instead of the "To".  This means that almost
everyone is supposed to perform some dexterous cut&pasting for every single
reply which is a real pita on a hand-held device and is not entirely easy
on the most commonly used email clients.

I think a lot of us have complained to the people who carefully set-up the
mailing list to misbehave in this awkward and clumsy fashion but they claim
that the majority of people prefer it this way.

So we have had to learn to just delete twice or answer once and delete the
second one or some-such.  Hitting the delete key really not that arduous
surely?
Regards from
a Tom :)






On 13 July 2018 at 13:48, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

> Hi michael,
>
> at first: Why do you answer to the list, some other persons and my
> private mail-address? I am reading and writing the the list and doens#T
> need the same message twice.
> >>
> >> I have tried it with German date-time-values and have set only
> >> =A2 - A1
> >> ... and it returns 06:50:00
> >>
> >> Regrads
> >>
> >> Robert
> > That would give difference in hours only, but would not give the days
> > This is cells L1-M7 Right of ___ is column M contents.
>
> OK, need the day as a separate value:
> =ABRUNDEN(B1-A1)&":"&TEXT(B1-A1;"HH:MM")
>
> ABRUNDEN is the German Name for the function. Could be it is named FLOOR
> in the English version.
>
> HH:MM gives the hours and minutes without the days.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
> --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I don't have a specific purpose.  I was more thinking of just learning for
fun as a hobbyist in those brief moments where i have time and fancy
something to get my teeth into for half and hour or so.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 9 July 2018 at 17:40, Andrew Pitonyak  wrote:

>
> Disclaimer: I have only used Python once to to talk to LO. In fact, I work
> pretty hard to write all of my "macros" in Basic because support is very
> consistent across platforms. I cannot comment directly on Python, but, in
> Basic, I do not need to worry about which interface handles which calls,
> that level of detail is handled for free.
>
> If I decided to not use Basic, I would evaluate which other language has
> the best integration, and, I cannot comment on that since I rarely leave
> Basic. I looked at Python because there was an issue with the Python
> version for a macro that someone wrote and they were having trouble with
> integration.
>
> My Primary complaint about Python is that the block structure is directly
> related to the spacing and I have had that messed with as I moved between
> machines and operating system. I do not expect that to be a problem if you
> do not move between machines and if you have full control over the editor
> that use in terms of how it is configured... And if you are not pasting
> code that others have written or from web sites. All of those issues have
> caused me issues all related to how Python interprets blocks. When I write
> code in my Python specific editor and I stay on one machine, and I do not
> integrate code from other places, I have no problems with it. I should note
> that I work with some people who feel that they must solve every problem
> with Python.
>
>
> As for your first language, I do not see a problem with using Python, but
> I also do not see a problem using Basic. Much depends on your end goal.
> Especially if you limit external dependencies, Python should run unchanged
> on most machines with a few caveats.
>
> Why do you want to program? More specifically, what do you want to produce?
>
> What type of programs do you want to write? (GUI, command line, control
> LO, etc...)
>
> How portable must your code be?
>
> If you want to write a GUI and it will only run on Windows, I think that
> Visual Studio has a decent environment for development. I spend way more
> time writing Java and C++ these days, which means that I have not been
> using Visual Studio lately.
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-07-09 6:20, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> @ Mauricio:  Wow!!!  That was very eloquent! :))  Thanks :)
>>
>> @ Gordon:  Sorry!  I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't
>> get
>> very far.  It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using
>> Basic
>> at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time.
>>
>> @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language?  - or is it better
>> to
>> start with something else first to ease into it all?
>>
>> I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but
>> at a very relaxed pace.  Both seem quite good fun now :)
>>
>> Regards from a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper 
>> wrote:
>>
>> GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo.
>>>
>>> When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a
>>> Basic program would  soon become an unstructured mess of
>>> GoTo's and a hassle to debug.  One of our Pascal lecturers was
>>> very  anti-Basic and forbade us to use it,  or to even talk about it
>>> in his presence.
>>>
>>> Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory,
>>> Gordon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty
>>>> easy
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the
>>>> vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was
>>>> called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to
>>>> port software between the various systems that were available.
>>>>
>>>> Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo.
>>>> Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some
>>>> variants don't have GoTo.
>>>>
>>>> jonathon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>&

Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
@ Mauricio:  Wow!!!  That was very eloquent! :))  Thanks :)

@ Gordon:  Sorry!  I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't get
very far.  It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using Basic
at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time.

@ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language?  - or is it better to
start with something else first to ease into it all?

I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but
at a very relaxed pace.  Both seem quite good fun now :)

Regards from a Tom :)




On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper  wrote:

> GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo.
>
> When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a
> Basic program would  soon become an unstructured mess of
> GoTo's and a hassle to debug.  One of our Pascal lecturers was
> very  anti-Basic and forbade us to use it,  or to even talk about it
> in his presence.
>
> Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory,
> Gordon.
>
>
>
> On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote:
>
>> On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>> I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy
>>>
>> There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the
>> vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was
>> called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to
>> port software between the various systems that were available.
>>
>> Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo.
>> Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some
>> variants don't have GoTo.
>>
>> jonathon
>>
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, yes.  Here is often good for anything.  Macros are definitely for this
mailing list.

I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy
back then.  I gather it's become over-complicated now so i'm starting again
from Scratch and then Python - or kinda both at the same time(ish).  It
seems more robust and more standardised.

Regards from a Tom :)



On 8 July 2018 at 21:06, Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Howdy Tom,
>
> Well, I was specifically asking Mauricio, after looking over the example
> basic code particularly, I am interested in his thoughts.
>
> As for this being the user mailing list, macros are user level question I
> would think, Basic is assumed usually, but Python is just as valid and
> about as easily done these only to drop in a couple of extensions.  Maybe
> it is a power user question, but still a user question, yes?
>
> However, I suppose your'e right when moving on to talking about generating
> extension packages from macros libraries (basic or python).
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:50 PM Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better
> at
> > giving a good answer to that.  They may be annoyed as it's prolly not
> what
> > they usually post to there.  Maybe it's best to try the QA Team?
> >
> > There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for
> > LibreOffice.
> >
> > I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C,
> C++
> > and C# and smaller amounts of other code.  I think pretty much all the
> Java
> > has been over-written in Python now.
> >
> > There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it
> > doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too.  Actually i thought you
> were
> > one of our devs but there we go.  I know you have done a lot for LO.
> > Good luck and regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen  wrote:
> >
> >> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick
> >>
> >> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice?
> (ie.
> >> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use
> case
> >> and the example code you supplied there)
> >>
> >> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in
> LibreOffice.
> >>
> >> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to
> with
> >> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.
> >>
> >> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
> >> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you
> suggest I
> >> look at replacing.
> >>
> >> Thanks and best wishes,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin <
> patrick.ge...@free.fr
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was
> >> thinking
> >> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next
> >> > > version ...
> >> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model
> >> > > complient next day ?
> >> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for
> >> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> >> > > futur ?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Of course, definitely, Python is much better, I always recommend;
> learn
> >> > and used Python with LibreOffice
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think the Devs Mailing list or IPA, IIRC or whatever is prolly better at
giving a good answer to that.  They may be annoyed as it's prolly not what
they usually post to there.  Maybe it's best to try the QA Team?

There used to be a "mentoring" program to help people start to code for
LibreOffice.

I think LibreOffice is mainly Python but with significant chunks of C, C++
and C# and smaller amounts of other code.  I think pretty much all the Java
has been over-written in Python now.

There may be some devs on this mailinglist who can answer you but it
doesn't hurt to have other places to ask too.  Actually i thought you were
one of our devs but there we go.  I know you have done a lot for LO.
Good luck and regards from
a Tom :)




On 8 July 2018 at 20:30, Drew Jensen  wrote:

> Howdy, Mauricio, Patrick
>
> I am curious as to why you think python is always the better choice? (ie.
> error handling, or whatever; or is it just always so in Patrick's use case
> and the example code you supplied there)
>
> Also, I you don't mind me asking. I'm new python scripting in LibreOffice.
>
> Do you have recommendations for setting up tools with LibreOffice to with
> Python scripts and perhaps then turning those into an extension.
>
> Right now I am using the following: LibreOffice 6.x, APSO (latest), MRI
> (latest), MS Video Code. Which of those would, if any, would you suggest I
> look at replacing.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:13 PM Mauricio Baeza Servin 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:03:02 +0200, Patrick Gelin 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, with a factory for self variable into pseudo objects. I was
> thinking
> > > of this solution already, but I was hoping a better solution in next
> > > version ...
> > > - Do you need this pseudo object code could be better object model
> > > complient next day ?
> > > - Or do you think python will be a better way for
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> > > futur ?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Hopefully 'just' teething problems that will be ironed out fairly quickly,
inshalla.

Were you able to follow the route;
Tools - Options - Advanced - Expert
and then search for relevant options to get the main top menu back again?
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 6 July 2018 at 15:43, Graham Luffrum  wrote:

> This is all very well, but on my system (6.0.5.2 under Linux Mint 18.1) the
> settings icon does not work which means that I can get back to the default
> only by changing the Notebooktoolbar settings.  Also the menubar is not
> shown by default - again this requires changes to the Notebooktoolbar
> settings.
>
> Graham
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 09:24, M Henri Day  wrote:
>
> > Den tors 5 juli 2018 kl 14:39 skrev Philip Jackson <
> > philip.jack...@nordnet.fr>:
> >
> > > I tried the Notebookbar after looking at the Fedora article. It worked
> > > just as advertised and I managed to return to default using the '3
> small
> > > horizontal lines' icon on the rhs of the ribbon.  I was using LO
> 6.0.0.2
> > > (I think)
> > >
> > > I wasn't impressed by the Notebookbar - it seems to be variations on a
> > > theme started by MS some years ago and immediately followed by some
> > > other software houses just like it was the fashion of the day. The
> > > introduction of the ribbon by Avid Sibelius raised howls of protest
> from
> > > the veteran users of Sibelius - but that's just because we're mostly
> > > very conservative and don't like change.
> > >
> > > Yesterday, I upgraded LO to 6.0.5.2 and took the opportunity to recheck
> > > Notebookbar. Out of the 6 variants, the first 2 'Contextual Groups' and
> > > 'Contextual Simple' don't show the little icon. The next 2 variants,
> > > 'Tabbed' and 'Tabbed Compact' do show the icon.
> > >
> > > The last two, 'Grouped bar full' and 'Group bar compact' don't show the
> > > icon BUT they do have an item at the far right called 'Menu' which has
> a
> > > drop down which allows you to toggle on the Menu Bar  - and to select
> > > the different variants of Notebookbar.
> > >
> > > The number of combinations seem to be numerous. I may have missed a
> > > combination but it seemed to me that although I could turn off the
> > > regular MenuBar in the Grouped Bar full and compact variants, it still
> > > appeared in the 2 tabbed variants.
> > >
> > > This ribbon seems good to pass away a few spare minutes. For a new
> user,
> > > it may provide something of interest but I think I'll stay with the old
> > > menu bar.
> > >
> > > Philip
> >
> >
> > ​
> >
> > Agree with Philip above about retaining the old toolbar layout - one
> could,
> > of course, learn the «ribbon»​, but why bother - especially when it is
> more
> > complicated to use and doesn't seem to provide any advantages. But I do
> > think it's worthwhile experimenting with and it's easy to get back to the
> > default toolbar layout, så long as the menubar is shown (which it is by
> > defautl ; if one doesn't see it in the ribbon view, click the settings
> icon
> > (the three horizontal lines) at the upper right and check the
> alternative))
> > just click there on View → Toolbar Layout and choose Default
> >
> > Henri
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
A lot of normal users see the normal menu and icon-bar as being old and
arrive at the conclusion that LibreOffice is old.

The 'new' ribbon-bar / Notebookbar will probably help reduce barriers to
migrating people away from MS Office.  It prolly needs a lot more polish
because it's the first appearance of this feature.  I've still not seen it
myself so i'm just guessing.

The ribbon-bar in MS Office also does nothing to make it easier to use and
several iterations of it have just made it harder to figure-out where
things might be.  It also seems to reduce the amount of space for the
document itself.  However it looks shiny and glossy and kinda new so a lot
of people prefer it and think the clunkiness is their own fault for not
having learnt how to use MS Office more profficiently.

Personally i prefer normal menus because if i click on the wrong one i can
just slide the mouse arrow along to open each menu in turn.  Sometimes
something unexpected catches my eye and i maybe give it a try one day so it
helps me learn too.  The ribbon-bar doesn't allow for such exploration.

So i am glad the Notepadbar exists and i hope to try it and show it off as
soon as i can put Facebook aside for a moment!
Regards from
a Tom :)






On 6 July 2018 at 08:21, M Henri Day  wrote:

> Den tors 5 juli 2018 kl 14:39 skrev Philip Jackson <
> philip.jack...@nordnet.fr>:
>
> > I tried the Notebookbar after looking at the Fedora article. It worked
> > just as advertised and I managed to return to default using the '3 small
> > horizontal lines' icon on the rhs of the ribbon.  I was using LO 6.0.0.2
> > (I think)
> >
> > I wasn't impressed by the Notebookbar - it seems to be variations on a
> > theme started by MS some years ago and immediately followed by some
> > other software houses just like it was the fashion of the day. The
> > introduction of the ribbon by Avid Sibelius raised howls of protest from
> > the veteran users of Sibelius - but that's just because we're mostly
> > very conservative and don't like change.
> >
> > Yesterday, I upgraded LO to 6.0.5.2 and took the opportunity to recheck
> > Notebookbar. Out of the 6 variants, the first 2 'Contextual Groups' and
> > 'Contextual Simple' don't show the little icon. The next 2 variants,
> > 'Tabbed' and 'Tabbed Compact' do show the icon.
> >
> > The last two, 'Grouped bar full' and 'Group bar compact' don't show the
> > icon BUT they do have an item at the far right called 'Menu' which has a
> > drop down which allows you to toggle on the Menu Bar  - and to select
> > the different variants of Notebookbar.
> >
> > The number of combinations seem to be numerous. I may have missed a
> > combination but it seemed to me that although I could turn off the
> > regular MenuBar in the Grouped Bar full and compact variants, it still
> > appeared in the 2 tabbed variants.
> >
> > This ribbon seems good to pass away a few spare minutes. For a new user,
> > it may provide something of interest but I think I'll stay with the old
> > menu bar.
> >
> > Philip
>
>
> ​
>
> Agree with Philip above about retaining the old toolbar layout - one could,
> of course, learn the «ribbon»​, but why bother - especially when it is more
> complicated to use and doesn't seem to provide any advantages. But I do
> think it's worthwhile experimenting with and it's easy to get back to the
> default toolbar layout, så long as the menubar is shown (which it is by
> defautl ; if one doesn't see it in the ribbon view, click the settings icon
> (the three horizontal lines) at the upper right and check the alternative))
> just click there on View → Toolbar Layout and choose Default
>
> Henri
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Wow!!  Good find!  Also thanks for leading us through the "Expert"
configuration.  It sounds a bit like "about:config" in firefox.  A bit
scary but kinda possible.

Something i never think of until after it is tooo late is to make a copy of
my user-profile BEFORE playing around, or at some point where i'm
more-or-less happy with how things work.  I guess it's partly because i'm
never completely happy.  I just know there are tons of config options that
i can never quite remember but that i really should tweak because some
years ago i found a tweak or two that i liked but i never get around to
because the defaults are plenty good enough.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On 4 July 2018 at 21:49, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

> On 07/04/2018 11:47 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Ok, last email on this for a while!
> >
> > This wiki-page seems to be about the feature but i couldn't see any
> mention
> > of ohw to switch it off
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
> > but prolly because i only skimmed it
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
>
> I just tried it, too, and had the same problem of switching off the
> notebookbar.
>
> I found that there is more than one option for notebookbar. Some of them
> allow you to retain the normal menu bar, but other do not. In my
> experimentation, I clicked on one of the options that does *not* retain
> the menu bar. Without the menu bar I was left only with the notebookbar
> options and none of them included a way to get rid of it or get back to
> normal.
>
> I was in Impress at the time. I tried opening up Writer, which came up
> with the standard menu/toolbar. I then clicked on "Tools", "Options",
> "Advanced", and un-checked the box to allow experimental features. I
> then saved my choice, closed LO and reopened it. However, when I
> reopened Impress, I was still faced with the Notebookbar even though I
> had unchecked the experimental features. I was afraid I was going to
> have to rename my configuration folder, which I really didn't want to do.
>
> So, then I clicked on "Tools", "Options", "Advanced" and then clicked on
> "Open Expert Configuration." I am no expert and had never clicked on
> this before, but stay with me on this.
>
> When the expert configuration popped up, I did a search for
> "notebookbar". From within the results of the search, I scrolled down to
> see, "org.openoffice.Office.UI.Notebookbar:Application["Impress"]" Below
> that line were various preferences that could be changed. I looked in
> the "Property" column and found several that read "HasMenubar". Some
> said "true" for the value, but most said "false". I took the "true"
> value to mean that the menu bar would be available with those particular
> notebookbars. So I clicked on every preference line that read
> "HasMenubar" so that its value switched to "true".
>
> After doing that, I pressed OK and restarted LO. This time, when I
> opened Impress, I was again faced with the NoteBookbar, but the normal
> menu bar was also available. I was then able to go into "View", "Toolbar
> Layout" and turn off the notebookbar.
>
> So much for trying experimental functions.
>
> I will say that, while I was playing with the notebookbar, I didn't see
> any real advantage to it. Under the default menu/toolbar system, the
> user can find all functions through the menu and then use toolbars for
> single-click shortcuts. With the notebookbar (like MS's Ribbon) the
> menus and toolbars are combined, meaning that, for many of the
> functions, one must use multiple clicks through tabs and options within
> tabs to find the desired function. It certainly isn't any faster than
> the old-style system, although I imagine that, over time, I could grow
> to appreciate the organization of it.
>
> Virgil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ok, last email on this for a while!

This wiki-page seems to be about the feature but i couldn't see any mention
of ohw to switch it off
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
but prolly because i only skimmed it
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 4 July 2018 at 16:37, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> So in the article it says;
> *View > Toolbar Layout*  and choose Notebookbar
>
> But in order to get that option you have to tick the box for "*Enable
> experimental features*" in
> Tools - Options - Advanced
> and then restart LibreOffice.
>
> So hopefully either of those is able to get rid of the Notebookbar.
> Hopefully the first way because then it should be easy to try it for a bit
> another day.
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 4 July 2018 at 16:19, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Gahhh, i dunno! :(  Any chance of recent updates to;
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
>> helps at all?
>>
>> Apols and regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 July 2018 at 15:27, Graham Luffrum  wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps rather foolishly I tried out the Notebookbar, but then discovered
>>> that there appears to be no way back despite what is written in the
>>> article.  In the top right-hand corner there is a button, but it doesn't
>>> appear to do anything.
>>>
>>> I'm using 6.0.5.2 under Linux Mint 18.1.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 21:55, Tom Davies  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi :)
>>> > Thanks :)  I didn't do anything except just re-post it from the
>>> marketing
>>> > list.  I liked the article as it had a few things i hadn't known about.
>>> > Somewhere there is a wiki-page of useful snippets but idk where.
>>> > Regards from
>>> > a Tom :)
>>> >
>>> > On 3 July 2018 at 18:09, M Henri Day  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > ​M​
>>> > > ån
>>> > > ​den ​
>>> > > 2 juli 2018 kl 14:09 skrev Tom Davies :
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi :)
>>> > >> I thought some people here might be interested in another new
>>> article
>>> > >> about
>>> > >> LibreOffice.  This one is in the Fedora Magazine;
>>> > >> https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Inevitably there are some questions and such in the comments section
>>> > below
>>> > >> the article.
>>> > >> Regards from
>>> > >> a Tom :)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2 July 2018 at 12:05, Mike Saunders >> > >> documentfoundation.org
>>> > >> > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > Hello everyone,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I wrote an article about some new/lesser-known features in
>>> LibreOffice
>>> > >> > for Fedora Magazine, and included a short section on getting
>>> involved
>>> > at
>>> > >> > the end:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > --
>>> > >> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
>>> > >> > The Document Foundation
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ​Very useful ; thanks Mike and Tom !
>>> > >
>>> > > Henri​
>>> > >
>>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
So in the article it says;
*View > Toolbar Layout*  and choose Notebookbar

But in order to get that option you have to tick the box for "*Enable
experimental features*" in
Tools - Options - Advanced
and then restart LibreOffice.

So hopefully either of those is able to get rid of the Notebookbar.
Hopefully the first way because then it should be easy to try it for a bit
another day.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 4 July 2018 at 16:19, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Gahhh, i dunno! :(  Any chance of recent updates to;
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> helps at all?
>
> Apols and regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 4 July 2018 at 15:27, Graham Luffrum  wrote:
>
>> Perhaps rather foolishly I tried out the Notebookbar, but then discovered
>> that there appears to be no way back despite what is written in the
>> article.  In the top right-hand corner there is a button, but it doesn't
>> appear to do anything.
>>
>> I'm using 6.0.5.2 under Linux Mint 18.1.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 21:55, Tom Davies  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi :)
>> > Thanks :)  I didn't do anything except just re-post it from the
>> marketing
>> > list.  I liked the article as it had a few things i hadn't known about.
>> > Somewhere there is a wiki-page of useful snippets but idk where.
>> > Regards from
>> > a Tom :)
>> >
>> > On 3 July 2018 at 18:09, M Henri Day  wrote:
>> >
>> > > ​M​
>> > > ån
>> > > ​den ​
>> > > 2 juli 2018 kl 14:09 skrev Tom Davies :
>> > >
>> > >> Hi :)
>> > >> I thought some people here might be interested in another new article
>> > >> about
>> > >> LibreOffice.  This one is in the Fedora Magazine;
>> > >> https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
>> > >>
>> > >> Inevitably there are some questions and such in the comments section
>> > below
>> > >> the article.
>> > >> Regards from
>> > >> a Tom :)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2 July 2018 at 12:05, Mike Saunders > > >> documentfoundation.org
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hello everyone,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I wrote an article about some new/lesser-known features in
>> LibreOffice
>> > >> > for Fedora Magazine, and included a short section on getting
>> involved
>> > at
>> > >> > the end:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
>> > >> > The Document Foundation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ​Very useful ; thanks Mike and Tom !
>> > >
>> > > Henri​
>> > >
>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Gahhh, i dunno! :(  Any chance of recent updates to;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
helps at all?

Apols and regards from
a Tom :)



On 4 July 2018 at 15:27, Graham Luffrum  wrote:

> Perhaps rather foolishly I tried out the Notebookbar, but then discovered
> that there appears to be no way back despite what is written in the
> article.  In the top right-hand corner there is a button, but it doesn't
> appear to do anything.
>
> I'm using 6.0.5.2 under Linux Mint 18.1.
>
> Graham
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 21:55, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > Thanks :)  I didn't do anything except just re-post it from the marketing
> > list.  I liked the article as it had a few things i hadn't known about.
> > Somewhere there is a wiki-page of useful snippets but idk where.
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> > On 3 July 2018 at 18:09, M Henri Day  wrote:
> >
> > > ​M​
> > > ån
> > > ​den ​
> > > 2 juli 2018 kl 14:09 skrev Tom Davies :
> > >
> > >> Hi :)
> > >> I thought some people here might be interested in another new article
> > >> about
> > >> LibreOffice.  This one is in the Fedora Magazine;
> > >> https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
> > >>
> > >> Inevitably there are some questions and such in the comments section
> > below
> > >> the article.
> > >> Regards from
> > >> a Tom :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2 July 2018 at 12:05, Mike Saunders  > >> documentfoundation.org
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hello everyone,
> > >> >
> > >> > I wrote an article about some new/lesser-known features in
> LibreOffice
> > >> > for Fedora Magazine, and included a short section on getting
> involved
> > at
> > >> > the end:
> > >> >
> > >> > https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
> > >> > The Document Foundation
> > >
> > >
> > > ​Very useful ; thanks Mike and Tom !
> > >
> > > Henri​
> > >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks :)  I didn't do anything except just re-post it from the marketing
list.  I liked the article as it had a few things i hadn't known about.
Somewhere there is a wiki-page of useful snippets but idk where.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 3 July 2018 at 18:09, M Henri Day  wrote:

> ​M​
> ån
> ​den ​
> 2 juli 2018 kl 14:09 skrev Tom Davies :
>
>> Hi :)
>> I thought some people here might be interested in another new article
>> about
>> LibreOffice.  This one is in the Fedora Magazine;
>> https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
>>
>> Inevitably there are some questions and such in the comments section below
>> the article.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>> On 2 July 2018 at 12:05, Mike Saunders > documentfoundation.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > I wrote an article about some new/lesser-known features in LibreOffice
>> > for Fedora Magazine, and included a short section on getting involved at
>> > the end:
>> >
>> > https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
>> > The Document Foundation
>
>
> ​Very useful ; thanks Mike and Tom !
>
> Henri​
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I thought some people here might be interested in another new article about
LibreOffice.  This one is in the Fedora Magazine;
https://fedoramagazine.org/discover-hidden-gems-libreoffice/

Inevitably there are some questions and such in the comments section below
the article.
Regards from
a Tom :)


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>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Language not "picked" correctly

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
With most software, incl LO, i usually get offered the US version despite
my locale being set to elsewhere.

Regards from
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On 7 June 2018 at 15:26, Graham Luffrum  wrote:

> Not with Vivaldi as it has only one flavour of English unlike Chromium and
> Firefox.
>
>
> On 6 June 2018 at 19:41, Luuk  wrote:
>
> > Chrome was just meant as an example, addin the correct language to your
> > favorite browser should do the trick for that browser too... ;-)
> >
> >
> > On 4-6-2018 20:22, Tim-L wrote:
> > > When I made a clean install on this laptop for Ubuntu 18.04, I did not
> > > install Vivaldi.
> > >
> > > I had it on the old setup for a while, but only used once, when I
> > > actually downloaded it.  So, I did not install it, yet{?}.
> > >
> > > It is weird that my Ubuntu install shows en_GB instead of en_US. Your
> > > Ubuntu/Debian based OS gets .rpm instead .deb.  I get my problem with
> > > the latest repository version of Firefox - 60.0.1.
> > >
> > > I do not use Chromium, but add Chrome for those web sites who refuses
> > > to allow Firefox to be used.
> > >
> > > On 06/04/2018 10:36 AM, Graham Luffrum wrote:
> > >> I use Vivaldi under LinuxMint and when I download LO for some reason
> > >> I get
> > >> offered the rpm files, which at first foxed me.  With Vivaldi it is
> not
> > >> possible to choose different flavours of English and so I have to
> change
> > >> not only the rpm to deb, but also the language.  Both Chromium and
> > >> Firefox
> > >> on the other hand come up with both the right file type and language.
> > >>
> > >> Graham
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 3 June 2018 at 19:36, Tim-L  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I use Firefox.
> > >>> I do have Chrome and a few others I test every so often, but Firefox
> is
> > >>> the one I have been using for many years now.
> > >>>
> > >>> Henri added that I should go and chose the language option. Yes I
> > >>> can do
> > >>> that, and did so, but how many of the people who download LO will
> > >>> not think
> > >>> about that till they try to install the help packs?
> > >>>
> > >>> I have seen this issue, if I remember correctly, over the past few
> > >>> weeks
> > >>> and kept forgetting to ask about this.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 06/03/2018 12:12 PM, Luuk wrote:
> > >>>
> >  when using Chrome, specify the corrrect language in your browser
> > 
> >  - goto chrome://settings/
> >  - select advanced
> >  - find 'langages'
> > 
> >  LibreOffice seems to be offered in the  first language you have
> >  there
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On 2-6-2018 21:30, Tim-L wrote:
> > 
> > > I am currently using Ubuntu 18.04 - - Language - en_US.UTF-8(en_US)
> > >
> > > When I go to the download page for the newest LO version 6.0.4
> x86_64
> > > (deb)  I keep getting the English (GB) version files.
> > >
> > > It has shown up with both Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 installs.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/
> > >
> > > Supplementary Downloads:
> > >
> > >   Translated User Interface: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)
> > >   Help for offline use: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)
> > >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Executable File?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, swriter.exe, of course.

It sounds like Write is a stand-alone program but LibreOffice/OpenOffice
are not built that way.  It is not like MS Office in that way.  It is much
more modular than that. LibreOffice and OpenOffice have a large core of
code with libraries and other packages each playing their crucial parts for
all of the front-ends.  Writer is more like 'just' a front-end and Calc is
another.  I think the devs call them modules.

Sometimes people want to strip right back to get rid of all the bits they
don't use, like they would with MS Office if they only wanted to use MS
Word but this is not possible with LibreOffice.  At best they can get rid
of the front-end type modules such as Base or Impress or something but even
then it might affect Writer in unexpected ways and it wouldn't free-up much
space either.

If you want something that can stand-alone and is as tiny and light as
possible then AbiWord is a good option.  It is another Open Source program
and is very compatible with LibreOffice as it's kinda a sister/brother
project.  When bundled with Gnumeric (a spreadsheet program), they are
sometimes called "Gnome Office".  Each being dedicated to just one task
means they are each very focused on just the thing that they do so
sometimes they out-perform programs that are designed to integrate well
with others.

There are a lot of other options out there depending on whether you want
more of a DeskTop Publishing tool (such as Scribus or LaTex) or more like a
word-processor.  There is one that gets rid of all the visible menus and
rulers and stuff so that you can just focus on writing, there are also
text-editors that make it easier to write various types of coding such as
html, css, python, C++ and whatnot by colour-coding and highlighting
errors.

Regards from
Tom :)







On 7 June 2018 at 16:06, DaveB  wrote:

> On 07.06.2018 15:38, Peggy wrote:
> > I need to choose the file that opens Libre Office writer for a another
> > program's option. I can't recognize which file it is in my progarms. Can
> > you tell me the name of the file I should choose?
> > Thank you,
> > Peggy
>
> Hi Peggy,
>
> Assuming you are using some version of Windows, Look for a file called
> swriter.exe
>
> The historical reason for the leading "s" is that the original software,
> on which today's code is based, was called StarOffice and the word
> processor component was called StarWriter.
>
> Regards
> Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-users] copy function not working

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
That is downright weird.

My ex-boss often used to have troubles using Adobe Pdf-reader to open Pdfs
he'd downloaded with Internet Explorer or that were in his Outlook emails.
Switching either variable - such as still using Adobe Pdf reader but
downloading the file using Firefox, or Chrome worked fine - or the other
way around, taking the already downloaded file and using any other Pdf
Reader (such as Foxit) also worked.  He just couldn't seem to understand
that using stuff that may have been reasonably good a few decades ago is
not necessarily good now (although IE was never good imo).  It's quite
normal to have incompatibility issues when using even just 1 proprietary
product but trying to get 2 to co-operate with each other is not always
easy.  Each one wants to be the dominant program on your system and doesn't
like to share = that's the ethos.

It is unusual to have that sort of problem with OpenSource things because
each thing needs to work smoothly with a wide variety of other tools and
gets it's own major advantages by avoiding being monolithic.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 7 June 2018 at 15:18, Robert M McClure  wrote:

> Yes, I did try renaming the user-profile, to no effect.
>
> However, last night I downloaded the latest version of Firefox (60.0.2)
> and the problem seems to have gone away. I have not yet tried extensive
> testing, but in about 8 tries have not yet gotten a failure. This one
> baffles me.
>
> Bob McClure
>
>
> On 6/7/2018 12:17 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi:)
>> Here is another "waggle the wires" suggestion...
>>
>> Have you tried renaming the user-profile?
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile
>>
>> I've not seen it suggested or mentioned earlier in this thread but I could
>> easily have missed it.
>>
>> Regards from
>> a Tom:)
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Executable File?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm not clear exactly what you are trying to do or what you want.

Any file that can be opened by LibreOffice should be able to open LO itself
when yo8u just double-click on the file.

If double-clicking a file opens a file in a program that you didn't want to
use this time then try right-clicking on the file and choose "Open with
..." from the "context menu" that should appear beside the mouse pointer.
That should list various relevant programs and also give an option to
choose your own program.

You can also drag files onto a LibreOffice icon - but if you drag one
letter, a book and a spreadsheet onto a Writer icon then you will get 2
instances of Writer and 1 instance of Calc.  It's difficult to force LO to
open a document in the wrong module/program for it's file-type.


If you are coding and want to call LO from some code then it's probably
best to call;
soffice.exe
i think?  In linux typing soffice without any file-extension on the end is
enough to open LibreOffice.  So i'd guess it's soffice.exe in Windoze.

LibreOffice can also be used in headless mode though so you might not need
to open LibreOffice onscreen at all.  It is useful for converting a folder
full of files from one file-type to another  - such as Rtf or DocX to Odf -
as an example.

Regards from
a Tom :)





On 7 June 2018 at 15:38, Peggy <33mar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I need to choose the file that opens Libre Office writer for a another
> program's option. I can't recognize which file it is in my progarms. Can
> you tell me the name of the file I should choose?
> Thank you,
> Peggy
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[Solved] Re: Re: [libreoffice-users] Failure: repeated attempts to unsubscibe

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The problem has been solved now.  Thanks for the input though.  That would
have been a problem except the daughter was able to login to her father's
email account.  She did figure it out in the end.

Thanks and regards from
a Tom :)


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>
>> 2018-06-06 16:13 GMT+02:00 :
>>
>> Hi all, I've attempted to unsubscribe my father repeatedly, following the
>>> instructions at the bottom of each email -to no avail. Message says there
>>> is no user called "unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ​Hi,
>>
>> You have to send an email to the following address:
>> users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
>>
>> You need the whole users+unsubscribe. Pay extra attention to the plus
>> sign,
>> and make sure your email client isn't interpreting it as something else,
>> but really send the email to that exact address.​
>>
>
> Might the problem be the OP can't send the user+unsubscribe from
> subscribed email address?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Long comments in calc?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It is still usually good to upgrade.  I tend to stay on a stable version,
usually after a branch has passed the x.y.3 sub-point version.  By then a
branch has usually fixed any teething problems it may have had earlier in
it's cycle.  If you think of that third number being a "Service Pack"
number and divide by 3 then i'm kinda following the old wisdom about
waiting for service pack 2 before using the new thing.  Of course that
wisdom is much more crucial in the m$ world where it comes from but it
still works out quite well for LibreOffice too.

Each new branch adds tons of features (which i rarely use) and greater
compatibility with MS formats (which are themselves constantly changing in
order to be as incompatible as possible with older versions of MS Office
and with competitors such as us).  Sometimes security issues are also dealt
with although it's very rare for LO (or AOO) to have any security issues in
the first place.

So it can be good to upgrade but there is seldom any desperate need to and
anyway it's often best to wait until a new brance has become a little
older.

Regards from
a Tom :)



On 2 June 2018 at 17:32, marianne-x  wrote:

> Ahoy:
>
> I am still using Version: 4.4.7.2, so this note may be of no help.
>
> (I am not aware of any “improvements” in later versions that would help
> me, and I read here of so many regressions, that I have not been tempted to
> “upgrade”.)
>
> Anyway, in Version: 4.4.7.2, when you select “Insert-Text Box”, you do not
> immediately get a box, but only an indicator that something has changed,
> which might appear to you as “nothing”.
>
> The “regular” calc arrow cursor changes to a cross, with an apparent
> subscript looking something like a curvey-flanged I-beam.
>
> You can use this cursor to draw the outline of the text box, which need
> not conform to cell boundaries.
>
> Anything you type within those boundaries goes not into the underlying
> cells, but rather into the text box. Executing a CR exits the “text-box
> mode”, leaving the text floating.
>
> You cannot make any entry into the underlying cells when the text box
> boundary is displayed, but you can after exiting, even entering right under
> “box” text.
>
> Clicking within the now-invisible boundary does not select any cell;
> instead it brings back the box boundary, handles, &c. The box can be
> manipulated in the usual ways when its boundary is displayed, including
> re-sizing and being dragged over pre-existing cell entries.
>
> There is, of course, much more detail to be gleaned, but best by
> experimentation, not additional tortured prose.
>
> Any help?
>
>
> mxk
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer paragraph numbered list issue

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, Steve Edmonds is making a lot of good points.

Microsquish Word is good at making an unrecoverable mess of things.  What
you see on the surface is just the tip of the iceberg.

It might be time to bite the bullet and start afresh.  It'll soon save you
a lot of time.  What you have learned about Writer so far will help a lot
so none of your struggles have been wasted.  Also a quick skim-read of
chapter 3 "Using Styles and Templates" in the "Getting Started with
LibreOffice" guide often helps a LOT.  It's available for free from here;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and less geekily from here;
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/getting-started-guide/read-online-5-2/

Note that these can be modified or replaced later so don't worry if things
are not exactly correct to start with.

LibreOffice tends to use a consistent style by default throughtout any
document.  When you make changes to the style the effect tends to ripple
through the whole document keeping the whole document's appearance neat and
consistent within itself.  MS Word documents tend to have tons of different
styles randomly splodged throughout, often even in a single sentence.
That's one reason why unexpected font changes and indent changes and
bullet-points styles and numbering systems are often such a messy headache
in Word documents.  In Writer all such things tends to be kept consistent
throughout.

So initially you might find numbered paragraphs use something weird, such
as;

2.   a)   iii.

but try to avoid stressing about that sort of thing early on.  Such detail
can be easily changed throughout the whole document with just a few clicks
later - after you've had time to look into that specific issue.



I used to use Word to collect articles from several different authors for a
fairly hefty, several page, newsletter.  With Word it would take the best
part of a week to pull it all together when making as few changes as
possible.  MS Word would make radical and surprising changes without being
told to.

Eventually I learned to strip away all the formatting from contributers
articles before even starting.  Then i'd re-apply formatting to make it
look the same as the article they had given me.  It sounds crazy but it
saved so much time that the whole newsletter took just a couple of days
instead of nearly a week.

Then I moved to LibreOffice and the time taken quickly dropped to just a
couple of hours - and people started commenting on how much better it
looked.


So it is daunting but turns out to be surprisingly easy to start afresh.
It has probably taken years and a lot of headaches to chase down enough
rabbit holes to beat the document into shape in MS Word.  Stand by to be
amazed at how all that is made really easy in Writer.

Suggested rough path - but you may find you do some things in a different
order or don't complete one item all in one go;
1.  Keep the document you have and maybe print it out to use as style
reference.
2.  Copy&paste the whole document into a text-editor such as "Notepad" or
GEdit or whatever (or paste as plain text) to get rid of all the hidden
kludgy formatting
3.  Create a new document and keep it as an odt document.  Avoid using any
Microsoft format!  Paste the plain text into it.
4.  Tidy the document as a whole.
5.  Do sweeping changes using styles.
5.  Add images
6.  Work on specific detail for final flourish


I hope this helps!  Keep asking questions, preferably before looking up
answers.  If you find the answer before we can reply you can always drop us
a hint for the next person who has the same question.

Good luck and regards from
a Tom :)




I'm sorry to have to break it to you but Microsquish Word is good at making
a horrible mess.  It's good for quick little letters and first drafts of
things but not for desktop publishing or good quality documents.

If you want a neat well-formatted document they have a separate program for
you to buy.  M$ Publisher is included in some bundles of M$ Office but not
others and it's horribly complicated with a steep learning curve.  At first
it looks familiar as it looks similar to Microsquish Word but it throws in
some unexpected curved balls to help confuse and mess up documents.  There
are plenty of training courses you could pay for and books to buy to help
learn how to use a current version but not many people use it so it's hard
to get hints&tips from people in normal conversation.






On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 21:35 Steve Edmonds,  wrote:

> Hi.
> I am doing the same as you (but not in a legal situation) all the time
> and bullets or numbering from word can be variable when pasted into
> writer. Some times the numbering continues from previous numbering and
> sometimes it starts again. Sometimes bullets paste as graphics
> characters and sometimes as a bulleted list.
>
> If I right click the first character after the number I get the menu
> (image) below. LO 6.0.4.2
>
>
> If you click into the num

Re: [libreoffice-users] copy function not working

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Here is another "waggle the wires" suggestion...

Have you tried renaming the user-profile?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

I've not seen it suggested or mentioned earlier in this thread but I could
easily have missed it.

Regards from
a Tom :)



On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 00:27 Dave Howorth,  wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:18:33 +1200
> Steve Edmonds  wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> > Is this then a problem of Ctl-C not working in Firefox.
> > If you open notepad along with writer and Ctl-V in Firefox, Ctl-C
> > writer, Ctl-C notepad, does paste in notepad work while not in writer.
> > It seems hard to get this issue reproducible.
> > Steve
>
> Note that Robert is using Windows whilst you are using Linux. The copy
> and paste mechanisms are different between Windows and X and whichever
> desktop you are running. It's quite a complex area that's not well
> understood.
>
> > On 07/06/18 05:25, Robert M McClure wrote:
> > > I can assure you that the reported problem, ie, Control-C not
> > > copying. Is NOT a hardware problem. On my machine it appears to
> > > happen quite regularly under the following circumstance. Firefox is
> > > displaying a web page. Control-C click on the URL bar. Open a
> > > Writer window. Paste (Control-V). This ALWAYS works. Select some
> > > text in the Firefox page. Control-C click. Go to the Writer page.
> > > Paste. About 90% of the time the result is the previously copied
> > > URL. However, if in the Firefox page, you click on Edit, and then
> > > Copy, and then paste in the Writer Document, it is correct. I have
> > > performed this experiment (and similar ones) enough times to
> > > definitely rule out a keyboard problem on my machine. There is
> > > something strange in the interaction between Firefox and Writer. I
> > > have tried the same experiment with the Opera browser and do not
> > > see this problem.
> > >
> > > System: AMD64 processor, 16GB memory, Windows 7 64 bit (up to
> > > date), LibreOffice Version: 6.0.3.2 (x64), Firefox 60.0.1 (64-bit).
> > >
> > > And for the record, I have a PhD in Electrical Engineering and
> > > have been designing digital logic, computers, and writing software
> > > since 1957.
> > >
> > > Bob McClure
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/6/2018 3:45 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
> > >> On 2018/06/03 17:09, Brian Barker wrote:
> > >>> At 20:50 29/05/2018 +, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> >  I am starting to experience more copy/paste issues similar to
> >  those described by Thomas. I am using LO 6.0.3.2 with Linux Mint
> >  18.
> > 
> >  Today, I was working in Impress. I've been copying and pasting
> >  text from one slide to another within a single Impress
> >  presentation file. Every now and then, the copy function
> >   does not copy the new text, so that when I press
> >  , instead of getting the text I just copied, I get a
> >  previous copy. It also happened when I tried copying text from
> >  another program (LyX) into my LO Impress.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have to say that the simplest explanation of this for both of
> > >>> you
> > >>> - and consequently the one recommended by Occam - is still that
> > >>> your copy operation - using Ctrl+C - failed to happen. Keyboards
> > >>> do fail or become unreliable, so this would hardly be surprising.
> > >>> Pardon my asking this, but when did you last remove dust, cat
> > >>> hair, biscuit crumbs, paper clips, and so on from your keyboard?
> > >>> Gravity is effective at adding these items. Do you use the "C"
> > >>> key often? Are you perhaps a member of the Caius College
> > >>> Cambridge Cricket Club?
> > >>>
> > >>> Here's a suggestion. When you use Ctrl+C you see no feedback of
> > >>> the process. In other words, the behaviour is exactly the same
> > >>> whether the operation has succeeded or failed, so you cannot
> > >>> tell. This is different from using Edit | Copy, where the Edit
> > >>> menu disappears when the click is successful, but not otherwise.
> > >>> Similarly, using right-click | Copy, the context menu disappears
> > >>> only when your click is successful. Just test by using either of
> > >>> these techniques instead. If you can reproduce the problem with
> > >>> the *Copy* operation performed in either of these ways, there may
> > >>> be some underlying software problem; if not, your Ctrl+C is
> > >>> simply not working.
> >  I must say this is an entirely new behavior for me and my copy
> >  of LO. It not only happened when copying and pasting from
> >  another program to LO, but also from one slide to another within
> >  LO itself. I'll keep an eye on it and try to see any consistency
> >  in the behavior. So far, it has been intermittent.
> > >>>
> > >>> Again, this is all consistent with a hardware problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> I trust this helps.
> > >>>
> > >>> Brian Barker
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Good evening
> > >> I do not want to be awkward, but this behavior seems to affect
> > >> ONLY Libreoffice.
> > >> (it 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Failure: repeated attempts to unsubscibe

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Probably.  If you have problems contact;
postmas...@documentfoundation.org

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 6 June 2018 at 20:47, Steve Edmonds  wrote:

> Hi, out of interest.
> Does this need to be sent from the mail account registered on the list
> (i.e. From: Steve Edmonds ).
> Can I remove a person from the list by sending an email structured with
> their email address in the From: part of the email.
> Steve
>
>
> On 07/06/18 03:12, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> The "user+" bit at the front sometimes looks like it's not part of the
>> address but it's fairly important.
>>
>> I'm really sorry Bill has gone.  I met him 3 1/2 years ago on the
>> Evolution
>> mailing list when he was new to Open Source and Free(dom) Software but he
>> rarely posted here.
>>
>> I've forwarded this email to the postmaster here, hopefully still Florian,
>> to see if they can unsubscribe you.
>>
>> Best wishes and many regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 June 2018 at 15:42, Cley Faye  wrote:
>>
>> 2018-06-06 16:13 GMT+02:00 :
>>>
>>> Hi all, I've attempted to unsubscribe my father repeatedly, following the
>>>> instructions at the bottom of each email -to no avail. Message says
>>>> there
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Failure: repeated attempts to unsubscibe

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The "user+" bit at the front sometimes looks like it's not part of the
address but it's fairly important.

I'm really sorry Bill has gone.  I met him 3 1/2 years ago on the Evolution
mailing list when he was new to Open Source and Free(dom) Software but he
rarely posted here.

I've forwarded this email to the postmaster here, hopefully still Florian,
to see if they can unsubscribe you.

Best wishes and many regards from
a Tom :)





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> 2018-06-06 16:13 GMT+02:00 :
>
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> > instructions at the bottom of each email -to no avail. Message says there
> > is no user called "unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org".
> >
> >
> >
> ​Hi,
>
> You have to send an email to the following address:
> users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
>
> You need the whole users+unsubscribe. Pay extra attention to the plus sign,
> and make sure your email client isn't interpreting it as something else,
> but really send the email to that exact address.​
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Re: [libreoffice-users] One more question before I give up for the night. I thought the table was set to not split cells when it went to the next page, but that's not happening. I've looked for a way

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
2 places, hopefully:-

* Inside the email message, top right - the box with a big curvy arrow has
a little triangle.  Clicking on the little triangle gives a few options
including a double-arrow.  The double-arrow is "Reply to all"

* before clicking in the message-box where you would type the reply there
are some "greyed out" options and the 2nd one should be the "reply to
all".  Despite being greyed out it should be clickable.

I'm glad you fixed the main problem already :))
Regards from
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On 5 June 2018 at 15:22, Peggy <33mar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Robert, yes, the replies helped me to see what I was doing wrong and it
> works now.
> I think you are the one who told me to use "reply all?" Forgive my faulty
> memory.
> I can't find the reply all feature in gmail: correction: I just looked and
> under settings I have a choice. I can check "reply" or "reply" all.
> Now I find I have a choice after setting it to "reply all." I don't know if
> it will work this time since I'd already started this reply.
> One more thing I've learned recently. Pretty soon I''ll be "computer savvy.
> 😁
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Robert Funnell 
> wrote:
>
> > Peggy -
> >
> > Have you got this to work? I assume that you're setting the behaviour by
> > unchecking the 'Allow row to break across pages and columns' check box in
> > the Text Flow tab of the Table Properties dialogue? I tried it and it
> > worked. If it really doesn't work for you, it might help to specify what
> > operating system you're using and what version of LibreOffice.
> >
> > - Robert
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018, Peggy wrote:
> >
> > <<<
> > Re: [libreoffice-users] One more question before I give up for the night.
> > I thought the table was set to not split cells when it went to the next
> > page, but that's not happening. I've looked for a way to set it
> > (highlighting the table) and even though each one (I'm working on several
> > files) is not set to split across pages and columns, it is splitting the
> > rows when it goes to the next page. Is there anyway to fix that?
> >
> >>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB 10.3.7 now available

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good timing! :)

MariaDb announce release of new stable release.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On Sun, 27 May 2018 20:16 MariaDB Announce List, 
wrote:

> The MariaDB Foundation is pleased to announce the availability
> of MariaDB 10.3.7.
>
> This is the first stable release in the MariaDB 10.3 series.
>
> See the Release Notes and Changelogs for details.
>
>
> - - Links  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> MariaDB 10.3.7
>- Release Notes: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mdb-1037-rn/
>- Changelog: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mdb-1037-cl/
>- Downloads: https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/10.3.7
>
>About MariaDB 10.3:
> - https://mariadb.com/kb/en/what-is-mariadb-103/
>
>APT and YUM Repository Configuration Generator:
> - https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/
>
>
> - - MariaDB Books  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> There is an ever-growing library of MariaDB books available to help
> you get the most out of MariaDB. See the MariaDB Books page for
> details and links:
>
>- https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/books/
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Re: [libreoffice-users] overlap(?) objects in draw

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It wasn't me
Regards from
a Tom :)

On Sun, 27 May 2018 22:54 anne-ology,  wrote:

>curiously wondering why you deleted the message to which I was
> replying???;
>   to make what point???
>
>The initial messager was interested in knowing how to create a 3D
> drawing of interlocking tubes;
>   that can be easily be done by hand; even if it's done to
> architectural scale.
>
>
>
>
> From: Regina Henschel 
> Date: Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] overlap(?) objects in draw
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>
> Hi anne-ology,
>
> anne-ology schrieb am 27.05.2018 um 19:45:
>
>The best method can't be done with these computers - I've tried LOs,
> > as well as others, only to be disappointed yet again;
> >   so my suggestion would be to draw what you have in mind,
> >  then scan this into your machine;
> >  you'll then have what you've imagined.
> >
> >BTW - even expert cartoonists, as Disney's, have not been able to
> > find a machine to make drawings better than the artist;
> >   for proof, just compare Disney's animated films - the
> hand-drawn
> > ones are so superior to the computer robotic movements
> >
>
>
>
>
> You disregard the point, that Draw is a tool for construction of vector
> graphics. It is not a tool for painting. So do not blame Draw for not been
> able to do, for which it is not designed.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
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Re: [libreoffice-users] overlap(?) objects in draw

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I had a good run with Inkscape for a while.  Again it's vector graphics
rather than 3d modelling.  It was a bit mind-warping at first because it's
so different from Gimp/Photoshop.

For 3d how about "Sketch-up";
https://www.sketchup.com/

It's not OpenSource afaik but the free version is pretty good and kinda
intuitive(ish).  I suspect the paid vedsion is better but the free one did
everything needed.
Regards from
a Tom :)


On Sun, 27 May 2018 19:16 Regina Henschel,  wrote:

> Hi anne-ology,
>
> anne-ology schrieb am 27.05.2018 um 19:45:
> >The best method can't be done with these computers - I've tried
> LOs,
> > as well as others, only to be disappointed yet again;
> >   so my suggestion would be to draw what you have in mind,
> >  then scan this into your machine;
> >  you'll then have what you've imagined.
> >
> >BTW - even expert cartoonists, as Disney's, have not been able to
> > find a machine to make drawings better than the artist;
> >   for proof, just compare Disney's animated films - the
> hand-drawn
> > ones are so superior to the computer robotic movements.
>
> You disregard the point, that Draw is a tool for construction of vector
> graphics. It is not a tool for painting. So do not blame Draw for not
> been able to do, for which it is not designed.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
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On 27 May 2018 19:16, "Regina Henschel"  wrote:

Hi anne-ology,


anne-ology schrieb am 27.05.2018 um 19:45:
>The best method can't be done with these computers - I've tried
LOs,
> as well as others, only to be disappointed yet again;
>   so my suggestion would be to draw what you have in mind,
>  then scan this into your machine;
>  you'll then have what you've imagined.
>
>BTW - even expert cartoonists, as Disney's, have not been able to
> find a machine to make drawings better than the artist;
>   for proof, just compare Disney's animated films - the hand-drawn
> ones are so superior to the computer robotic movements.

You disregard the point, that Draw is a tool for construction of vector
graphics. It is not a tool for painting. So do not blame Draw for not
been able to do, for which it is not designed.

Kind regards

Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Set JRE in LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Omg I go off on one sometimes!  It's not like I was really there or really
know or am in any position to judge anyone.  I didn't mean it to but my
post sounds very judgemental now I re-read it.  Sorry! :(

Wrt sniping and pulling in different directions working well sometimes - it
has worked really well for OpenOffice and LibreOffice.  Since we forked
there have been tons of articles and discussions about 'which is better' or
about alleged acrimony between us which has hugely helped "raise the
profile" of both.  Nowadays when I mention LibreOffice / OpenOffice to a
group of strangers there is usually at least 1, usually more, who uses one
of them!

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 27 May 2018 10:15, "Tom Davies"  wrote:

Hi :)
Access can be forced into using an external database and some people claim
it's easy but it makes a kludgy mess that makes it difficult and risky to
update Access.  It pushes people into buying other M$ database programs if
they need to upscale an Access database.  Access just is not designed to be
used that way.  Base is.

Java was widely advertised as being by far the best and sometimes as the
only way to write code that could be used on any machine using any OS.
Even today there are many expensive training courses teaching people how to
use it.  It's still kinda like "The Emporer's New Clothes".

Hsqldb is an excellent fast and light database program but it needs to be
kept updated, just like any program.  The version hard-coded into LO can't
be updated and is stuck on some ancient transitional version.  The
hard-coding was allegedly done by just 2 people without the support of the
Hsqldb community and against the wishes of LO's former, former, former
owners and community - however it did make it more competitive with
Access.  So it was a heroic effort and should have been supported and
applauded.

Future iterations of the in-built hsqldb(ish) were probably envisaged as
being closer to proper Hsqldb and as being made easier to update&upgrade -
but without the support of either community or their leadership the code
just stagnated for a few decades instead.  People sniping at each other and
pulling in opposing directions rather than helping and supporting each
other doesn't always work well.

The main reasons I really like the move to Firebird are;
1.  The name is more excitingly fashionable and easier to market
2.  Tactically good to have a refreshing break from our tragic past
regardless of whether it might have been easier and more consistent to just
upgrade to a newer, easier to upgrade, purer version of Hsqldb.  (Oddly it
would have been harder to go with Hsqldb and there discussions about which
way to go.)
3.  The move to C++ and away from Java - even though it's a step backwards
to a more geeky, less marketable name.

It is really great to see Base getting some much needed love and tlc.  It
deserves it.

Regards from
a Tom :)







On Sun, 27 May 2018 07:51 Robert Großkopf, 
wrote:

> Hi *,
>
> I 'm using the internal database for deveopement of databases, with
> pupils in scool and for some little projects, which only need a
> standalone-database. For "normal" use I also prefer MariaDB. The native
> driver had some (little) problems here so I switched to JDBC. I am using
>
> jdbc:mysql://«hostname»:3306/«databasename»?autoReconnect=true
>
> to connect to MariaDB and don't loose the connection to the server.
>
> Problem for MariaDB/MySQL: You have to know much about SQL or you must
> create the tables with PHPMyAdmin or something else for using
> Innodb-tables and create relationships between them.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
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> Hi *,
>
> I 'm using the internal database for deveopement of databases, with
> pupils in scool and for some little projects, which only need a
> standalone-database. For "normal" use I also prefer MariaDB. The native
> driver had some (little) problems here so I switched to JDBC. I am using
>
> jdbc:mysql://«hostname»:3306/«databasename»?autoReconnect=true
>
> to connect to MariaDB and don't loose the connection to the server.
>
> Problem for MariaDB/MySQL: You have to know much about SQL or you must
> create the tables with PHPMyAdmin or something

Re: [libreoffice-users] Set JRE in LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is anyone here in the MariaDb or MySql communities?  Is there any chance of
attracting some of their devs to work on an Open Source connector or better
yet to work with our devs to create native support?

I tried asking the MariaDb people around the time they forked off from the
Oracle overlords but I'm really bad with people and they were quite busy.

Someone in the Postgresql community did a fantastic job of getting their
devs and our devs working together a few years ago and so LibreOffice
apparently connects to LO really neatly.

Regads from
a Tom :)

On Sat, 26 May 2018 20:58 H. Stoellinger,  wrote:

> Hi Girvin,
> The same as you I have used MySQL/MariaDB with OO/LO for at least a
> decade. Before that
> I looked after DB2 (Mainframe...) as an IBM-Systems Engineer. I also
> cave been using the
> JDBC-connector happily. One of the problems I encountered with the
> "native" connector
> was the absence of a capability to reconnect to my remote server after
> an activity timeout
> occurred (the server would allow me to increase the timeout specified).
> In any case - I feel that a connection to an external database server
> should continue to be
> available. One reason - databases in enterprises tend to be used by more
> than just ONE
> application system...
> Just my two cents worth...
> Regards from Salzburg
> H. Stoellinger
>
> On 2018-05-26 21:15, Girvin Herr wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 05/26/2018 02:59 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >> Hi :)
> > Snip
> >> Base is supposed to MUCH better when using an external back-end -
> >> it's what
> >> Base was originally designed for and it's where Base beats Access.
> >> Annoyingly that seems to be a little known fact that doesn't get
> >> picked up
> >> on by people marketing LO.  Oddly hsqldb as an external back-end (ie
> >> installing the most recent version into the OS and getting it from the
> >> hsqldb project themselves, instead of using the old twisted version
> >> hard-coded into LO) tends to be quite fantastic - but it is totally
> >> dependent on Java and Java is a nightmare. So the move away from the
> >> twisted old version of hsqldb to firebird is great news.
> > Snip
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> > History lesson as I remember it: I suppose OO/AOO/LO wanted a built-in
> > database engine to better compete with Access, which had the Jet
> > engine built-in. Choosing hsqldb must have had its reasons back then.
> > Going back before OO, StarOffice had its own built-in database engine,
> > Adabase D, but I never could get it to work. (Granted, I was a
> > database newbie back then and my problems may not have been
> > StarOffice's fault.) I was glad to get OO (back then) working with
> > MySQL about 2005. BTW: I think there was a crude and circuitous way to
> > get Access 1.1 to talk to an external database server via a
> > "connector" system. But I never tried to do it before I converted my
> > databases to MySQL and never looked back.
> >
> > My experience: I have always used LO with MySQL as my backend (aka
> > server) with the Java connector between them. Actually, I am now using
> > Mariadb, as this is what Slackware Linux distributes now. I have not
> > had any problems with my database system, after the initial
> > configuration learning curve. It works. Therefore, hsqldb and now the
> > proposed switch to the firebird backend are a non-issue for me, as
> > long as LO will continue to support the external server paradigm. But
> > that is me. Others may require the built-in engine paradigm.
> >
> > For years, LO, has been reporting an imminent built-in (aka "native")
> > support for MySQL so that the Java connector is no longer needed.
> > However, that functionality seems to be another myth.
> >
> > Girvin Herr
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Set JRE in LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I hadn't realised the Firefox was previously called "Mozilla Firebird"
after being forced to rename itself from Phoenix due to name infringement
with "Phoenix Technologies".  Annoyingly for them Firebird was also taken
but they were was less hostile to Firefox about possible name
infringement.

Of course you know Firefox used to be Netscape which was (ime) far, far
better than any other web-browser but lost a marketting war with
Microsquish.  I just hadn't known about the intermediate names Firefox went
through around 20 years ago.

Ironically LibreOffice uses the "Mozilla License" as well as the LGPL and
now is going to be using the Firebird product that kinda pushed Mozilla
into having to rebrand themselves a 3rd time!

I think it shows that moving away from MS is a move towards a much more
co-operative but still competitive free-trade market.  Also that these
young revolutionary anti-corporate new upstarts are actually decades-old
companies/communities.  Instead of getting bogged down into a kludgy
unweildy mess, 'we' have remained innovative and fresh by allowing each
community to retain it's indepence and focus.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On Sun, 27 May 2018 10:15 Tom Davies,  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Access can be forced into using an external database and some people claim
> it's easy but it makes a kludgy mess that makes it difficult and risky to
> update Access.  It pushes people into buying other M$ database programs if
> they need to upscale an Access database.  Access just is not designed to be
> used that way.  Base is.
>
> Java was widely advertised as being by far the best and sometimes as the
> only way to write code that could be used on any machine using any OS.
> Even today there are many expensive training courses teaching people how to
> use it.  It's still kinda like "The Emporer's New Clothes".
>
> Hsqldb is an excellent fast and light database program but it needs to be
> kept updated, just like any program.  The version hard-coded into LO can't
> be updated and is stuck on some ancient transitional version.  The
> hard-coding was allegedly done by just 2 people without the support of the
> Hsqldb community and against the wishes of LO's former, former, former
> owners and community - however it did make it more competitive with
> Access.  So it was a heroic effort and should have been supported and
> applauded.
>
> Future iterations of the in-built hsqldb(ish) were probably envisaged as
> being closer to proper Hsqldb and as being made easier to update&upgrade -
> but without the support of either community or their leadership the code
> just stagnated for a few decades instead.  People sniping at each other and
> pulling in opposing directions rather than helping and supporting each
> other doesn't always work well.
>
> The main reasons I really like the move to Firebird are;
> 1.  The name is more excitingly fashionable and easier to market
> 2.  Tactically good to have a refreshing break from our tragic past
> regardless of whether it might have been easier and more consistent to just
> upgrade to a newer, easier to upgrade, purer version of Hsqldb.  (Oddly it
> would have been harder to go with Hsqldb and there discussions about which
> way to go.)
> 3.  The move to C++ and away from Java - even though it's a step backwards
> to a more geeky, less marketable name.
>
> It is really great to see Base getting some much needed love and tlc.  It
> deserves it.
>
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 27 May 2018 07:51 Robert Großkopf, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi *,
>>
>> I 'm using the internal database for deveopement of databases, with
>> pupils in scool and for some little projects, which only need a
>> standalone-database. For "normal" use I also prefer MariaDB. The native
>> driver had some (little) problems here so I switched to JDBC. I am using
>>
>> jdbc:mysql://«hostname»:3306/«databasename»?autoReconnect=true
>>
>> to connect to MariaDB and don't loose the connection to the server.
>>
>> Problem for MariaDB/MySQL: You have to know much about SQL or you must
>> create the tables with PHPMyAdmin or something else for using
>> Innodb-tables and create relationships between them.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
>> --
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>> LibreOffice Community: http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/map_3
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Set JRE in LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Access can be forced into using an external database and some people claim
it's easy but it makes a kludgy mess that makes it difficult and risky to
update Access.  It pushes people into buying other M$ database programs if
they need to upscale an Access database.  Access just is not designed to be
used that way.  Base is.

Java was widely advertised as being by far the best and sometimes as the
only way to write code that could be used on any machine using any OS.
Even today there are many expensive training courses teaching people how to
use it.  It's still kinda like "The Emporer's New Clothes".

Hsqldb is an excellent fast and light database program but it needs to be
kept updated, just like any program.  The version hard-coded into LO can't
be updated and is stuck on some ancient transitional version.  The
hard-coding was allegedly done by just 2 people without the support of the
Hsqldb community and against the wishes of LO's former, former, former
owners and community - however it did make it more competitive with
Access.  So it was a heroic effort and should have been supported and
applauded.

Future iterations of the in-built hsqldb(ish) were probably envisaged as
being closer to proper Hsqldb and as being made easier to update&upgrade -
but without the support of either community or their leadership the code
just stagnated for a few decades instead.  People sniping at each other and
pulling in opposing directions rather than helping and supporting each
other doesn't always work well.

The main reasons I really like the move to Firebird are;
1.  The name is more excitingly fashionable and easier to market
2.  Tactically good to have a refreshing break from our tragic past
regardless of whether it might have been easier and more consistent to just
upgrade to a newer, easier to upgrade, purer version of Hsqldb.  (Oddly it
would have been harder to go with Hsqldb and there discussions about which
way to go.)
3.  The move to C++ and away from Java - even though it's a step backwards
to a more geeky, less marketable name.

It is really great to see Base getting some much needed love and tlc.  It
deserves it.

Regards from
a Tom :)







On Sun, 27 May 2018 07:51 Robert Großkopf, 
wrote:

> Hi *,
>
> I 'm using the internal database for deveopement of databases, with
> pupils in scool and for some little projects, which only need a
> standalone-database. For "normal" use I also prefer MariaDB. The native
> driver had some (little) problems here so I switched to JDBC. I am using
>
> jdbc:mysql://«hostname»:3306/«databasename»?autoReconnect=true
>
> to connect to MariaDB and don't loose the connection to the server.
>
> Problem for MariaDB/MySQL: You have to know much about SQL or you must
> create the tables with PHPMyAdmin or something else for using
> Innodb-tables and create relationships between them.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 07:51 Robert Großkopf, 
wrote:

> Hi *,
>
> I 'm using the internal database for deveopement of databases, with
> pupils in scool and for some little projects, which only need a
> standalone-database. For "normal" use I also prefer MariaDB. The native
> driver had some (little) problems here so I switched to JDBC. I am using
>
> jdbc:mysql://«hostname»:3306/«databasename»?autoReconnect=true
>
> to connect to MariaDB and don't loose the connection to the server.
>
> Problem for MariaDB/MySQL: You have to know much about SQL or you must
> create the tables with PHPMyAdmin or something else for using
> Innodb-tables and create relationships between them.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
> --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Weird menu problem with 6.03 installed with Ubuntu 18.04

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Apparently the Ubuntu people had trouble with some theming and their
wallpaper design and it wasn't until the last minute that they pulled the
plug and went with a different wallpaper.  They hope to fix this by 18.04.1
which is apparently being moved forwards as a result.

Oddly i upgraded this time and i've not got those problems.  It's only
about the 2nd time i've ever gone with upgrading a desktop OS rather than
doing a fresh install.  Usually i set-up a 'new' partition and add the new
OS to my multi-boot.  "System rot" and cruft are inevitable, especially
when i have a phase of installing and configuring new things so it's
usually good to have a fresh start with a clean system.  Also i usually
like to be able to go back to the system i'm familiar with to get things
done if i'm in a rush.

So, it's ok on an upgrade and i'm not sure about the rumour about 18.04
wallpapers and themes or if it would have an effect on LO.
Regards from
a Tom :)




On 25 May 2018 at 21:55, Tim-L  wrote:

>
> Just wanted you to know. . . .
>
> On a clean install of Ubuntu 18.04, it installed LO 6.0.3, and all of the
> toolbars did not show any icons properly.
>
> I found out that the icon set was installed as Breeze Dark. So, changing
> it to Tango made it work.  Even after purging LO from that system, and then
> installing the latest 6.0.4, still had that problem.  Was "Breeze Dark" the
> default icon set of LO 6.0.x? or was something else in the mix to cause the
> problem[s]?
>
> My head scratching issue was why was this set to Breeze Dark and that it
> was corrupted.
>
>
> ALSO, there was problems with the font install issues that happened to 3
> clean install of Ubuntu 18.04. So, there are a lot of issues to deal with.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Set JRE in LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
That is interesting about the Windows versions of LibreOffice being a bit
different from the Gnu&Linux!  I've always thought they were pretty much
identical.  However this is not the first time that i've heard of
differences so it's probably not just a case of Gnu&Linux being smarter at
installing stuff.

Also i've thought that 32bit tools work fine in 64bit environments.  I
guess that now 64bit is so much the mainstream it is 32bit things that can
increasing expect quirkiness when there is a 64bit version available.

I vaguely remember some stat that 99% of java in LO has been converted to
Python or other languages but that leaves 3rd party Extensions and the
in-built hsqldb back-end in Base and very little else needing java.

Base is supposed to MUCH better when using an external back-end - it's what
Base was originally designed for and it's where Base beats Access.
Annoyingly that seems to be a little known fact that doesn't get picked up
on by people marketing LO.  Oddly hsqldb as an external back-end (ie
installing the most recent version into the OS and getting it from the
hsqldb project themselves, instead of using the old twisted version
hard-coded into LO) tends to be quite fantastic - but it is totally
dependent on Java and Java is a nightmare. So the move away from the
twisted old version of hsqldb to firebird is great news.

As for 3rd party Extensions these are often written as freeware rather than
as Free Software so there are often licensing issues and problems getting
hold of the source-code.  There are/were some really nice Extensions that
have been lost due to lack of maintenance and become out-of-date.  Usually
the dev(s) involved are quite happy to re-release under a GPL or LGPL
license so that other people can keep their code up-to-date but it's often
very difficult to get hold of the dev to ask them.

I'm not sure where else Java is used in LO.  It's annoying that it seems to
be needed for MediaWiki.  Somewhere there used to be a table and pie-chart
showing all the different languages used in LO but i haven't looked for it
lately.  I think it was almost all C, C++ and Python last time i looked.

This has been an interesting thread for me.  It seems quite a bit has
changed over the years and it has been interesting to hear from people who
know the current situations :)
Thanks and regards from
a Tom :)



On 25 May 2018 at 20:14, Robert Großkopf  wrote:
>
> Hello Girvin,
> >
> > I remember a while back, LO was making an effort to remove Java
> > requirements. Some progress to that end has been made over the years,
> > but I suspect there are still some threads connecting LO to Java,
> > besides Base.
>
> It is only the internal HSQLDB-database (Java), which will be removed in
> some years. Next LO-version will support an automatic migration to the
> new internal Firebird-database.
>
> The report-builder, for example, does need Java also - and won't work
> without.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
I totally agree.  Being able to access an alternative is almost always good
imo/ime.

Different use-cases often require slightly different tools or a
jack-of-all-trades.  MSO tries to be jack-of-all-trades but ends up being
such a horribly bloated mess that it significantly slows things down quite
a bit.  I prefer the FOSS idea of finding a good-enough tool for the job
and then gradually finding better and better ones if i specialise.

Ironically your last sentence explains the difference between "free" as
used in FOSS compared to bargain basement deals - but without much of the
cultishness.  (a fine band btw)

Regards from
a Tom :)







On 3 May 2018 at 17:16, Tanstaafl  wrote:

> On Thu May 03 2018 12:14:44 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil
> Arrington  wrote:
> > For anyone interested in this topic (accessibility of PDF documents for
> > those relying on screen readers),
>
> Ok, my last word on the subject...
>
> Regardless, providing an INACCESSIBLE PDF form to the 99.99% of the
> people who can fill them out without issues, and providing an
> ALTERNATIVE for those who cannot, would completely circumvent and render
> moot any potential legal issues.
>
> People who seek to violate MY Rights to do whatever I ant in my personal
> and business dealings - meaning, yes, I have the absolute Right to NOT
> provide accessible ANYTHING to ANYONE.
>
> Handicapped people (or whatever is the PC term of the day now for people
> who have 'accessibility' needs) have the Right to find someone who can
> or will provide services they can access.
>
> Sorry, but Freedom ain't Free.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Google do seem to be a bit evil and unsupportive sometimes.  Oddly they
were on the Advisory Board for TDF when they removed ODF support for their
products!  - or sometime around then.  Apple were based on BSD, a
brother/sister to Gnu&Linux, but went off in a proprietary/secretive
direction.  "Google Summer of Code" and many of their other things are
great but they definitely tend to do odd things at others.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 30 April 2018 at 21:37, Felmon Davis  wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
> On 04/30/2018 11:11 AM, James Knott wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open
>>> Document files.  Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with
>>> ODF files?
>>>
>>> Thank you for the suggestion. My personal computer is Linux only, but
>> I'll check it out on the school's computers to see how well MSO reads
>> and writes to .odt. I don't even know what version of MSO the school uses.
>>
>
> I shall have to check also. I'll send to some students as guinea pigs.
>
> one thing I've observed is that in spite of being a (partly) Linux
> company, google-drive does not treat .odt files kindly: it seems to list
> the unzipped contents instead of showing properly formatted text.
>
> the school uses google-apps for education, specially designed for use in
> schools (more privacy, closed environment).
>
> f.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I like your ideas a lot.  :)))

Sadly not everyone is allowed to or able to install programs on the
machiens they use.  It might be effortless for them on a home machine or
their own laptop, if they have one, but schools and other establishments
block people from using computers safely and force them to use unsafe but
'approved' systems instead.  For me a classic was a public library where
"Notepad" was blocked but MS Word was infected.

There have been various work-arounds, such as installing programs to a
Cloud or Virtual Machine or LiveCd/Usb or portable apps;
https://www.howtogeek.com/290358/what-is-a-portable-app-and-why-does-it-matter/
http://www.winpenpack.com/en/index.php
https://portableapps.com/
but people using MS stuff a lot are very scared of letting people do
anything useful because they think that is where malware, security attacks
and big problems come from.  Ironically when anyone gives any of the
alternatives a fair go they quickly become seen as an untrustable geek
trying to lead people astray.

I definitely like the idea of using a standard signature quietly letting
people know i use an alternative.
Thanks and regards from
a Tom :)




On 30 April 2018 at 18:05, Roy Reese  wrote:

> > Enviar: lunes 30 de abril de 2018 a las 17:11
> > De: "James Knott" 
> > Para: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux
> Users Group [Facebook]?
> >
> > On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> > > Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use
> LO
> > > Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will
> > > type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to
> me.
> > > I need to get the file to my students in a format they can easily use
> > > with their computers. I will use .DOC for this purpose because it's
> the
> > > easiest solution to this situation.
> >
> > Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open
> > Document files.  Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with
> > ODF files?
> >
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> That is exactly right, no student today should have a problem reading an
> odt file with MS Office as odt support has been incorporated in MSO since
> 2007 when MSO also defaulted to the docx format as a result of criticism of
> its closed formats.
>
> Having been sickened early on by the "advertising" coming from Apple,
> Samsung and others, the "signature" of my business mail notes that it was
> produced using Linux and open-source applications. (If I am forced to use a
> mobile, it notes that K-9 Mail is the FOSS source.) One should be making
> every effort to promote open source and letting the world know that there
> alternatives to the commercial applications that try to hold us captive.
>
> In the case of students, I would go a step further with a footnote:
>
> *The attached file was produced by LibreOffice, a powerful Free and
> Open-Source Software (FOSS) office suite and saved in the Open Document
> Format. To learn more about FOSS, click here. To learn more about
> LibreOffice and download it for free, click here.
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> The FOSS link might be to this: https://www.gnu.org/
> philosophy/free-sw.html. Of course a link could also be provided to a
> Wikipedia or other page about ODF.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Easy tiger!  I know it must be frustrating that so many of us are so slow
and lacking in knowledge about these things but it seems like some of us
are getting somewhere, or at least catching-up.

Btw obviously PDF is editable to some degree or other by quite a few
programs these days.  LibreOffice is able to edit some of it.  There is
also a "Hybrid Pdf" which looks like it's only a Pdf until opened with
LibreOffice - LO gives a choice of opening the Odf contained inside the
Pdf.

However the main reason that proper Pdf Editors, such as Adobe's, are in
any demand at all is due to the failures of MS Office's constantly
inconsistent and unreliable formats plus the failure of any other program
to effectively compete with MSO.  I'm not sure why WordPerfect weren't able
to stay as number one but my guess would be some dodgy dealings somewhere.

Also it seems that people want their word-processor to produce output like
a Desktop Publisher.  MS's Publisher program is sufficiently complex that
it puts people off daring to try any of their competitors.  Scribus is
wy outside their comfort-zone.  Oddly when Writer was first being
created, before the days of OpenOffice, it was largely being built as a
Desktop Publishing program - although it's devs couldn't entirely agree
what to make it so it ended up mostly being a word-processor.  So, that is
one of the reasons why documents created by LibreOffice tend to look so
much less scrappy than ones made by MSO.

The fact that Pdfs are somewhat editable by quite a few programs now but
only properly editable by Adobe's expensive Pdf editor doesn't mean that
the format is meant to be editable.  It's a square peg in a round hole.

Regards from
a Tom :)









On 2 May 2018 at 14:58, Tanstaafl  wrote:

> On Tue May 01 2018 14:06:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), toki
>  wrote:
> > On 04/30/2018 09:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> >> That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm intrigued by the
> >> possibility of doing it directly within LO.
>
> > Is it worth US$5,000 plus court costs plus attorney fees, to do
> > something that is a known Section 508/ADA violation?
>
> Probably not, but this is irrelevant, since it is entirely possible to
> create a PDF Fillable Form that isn't in violation of anything.
>
> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=screen+reader+friendly+fillable+PDF+forms
>
> > I am not a lawyer.
> > This is not legal advice.
>
> So, maybe you shouldn't make such loud, arrogant pronouncements,
> especially without having all of the facts.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
When exporting as Pdf from LibreOffice or OpenOffice the dialogue-box has a
lot of options to play around with.  At least 1 of those options makes the
Pdf more accessible.

All those options are remembered and set as last used when you open that
dialogue again.  So once you find your preffered combination of options you
can "Next" swiftly through.

I found the accessibility option made the file-size quite a lot larger.  It
was only an issue for me about a decade ago when i reached 12 pages with
lots of images for a newsletter.  Around that sort of size i started to
bump into emailable limits (8Mb?) for some email systems.

MS Office doesn't seem to give many options for the Pdfs it produces ...

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 1 May 2018 at 18:55, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

> Thank you for the info. I'll have to research it further.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: toki 
> Date: 5/1/18 2:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users
> Group [Facebook]?
>
> On 05/01/2018 06:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
> > Can you explain why PDF is not accessible for ADA purposes?
>
> A PDF can consist of either text, or images, or a combination of the
> two.  Screen readers can't read images.
> Provided your PDF is text only, it is accessible. If it has any images,
> or if it gets converted to images, it fails ADA requirements.
>
> Screen readers don't show where, or how to fill in the blank spaces in a
> fill-able PDF, and hence are not a11y.
>
> > don't understand how a file format can impact a person's disabilities.
>
> Consider the difference between audio captioning, closed captioning and
> open captioning.
>
> jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks :)  The link answered most of my questions about fillable fields.
It's good to see there are options such as text-fields and radio-buttons.

I still think the old MS format is the way to go for sharing documents in
the here&now but that ODF is the way to go for long-term storage.

Thanks and regards from
a Tom :)




On 1 May 2018 at 17:33, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

>
>
> On 04/30/2018 03:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > On 4/30/2018, 8:32:31 AM, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
> >> Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO
> >> Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will
> >> type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to me.
> >> I need to get the file to my students in a format they can easily use
> >> with their computers. I will use .DOC for this purpose because it's the
> >> easiest solution to this situation.
> > No, it is just the one you settled on.
> >
> > The easiest - and safst - approach would be to use Libreoffice to create
> > the form, save it as a fillable PDF form, then send that to your
> students.
> >
> Okay, I've done some digging to find out how to create fillable PDF
> forms in LO. I found the below  website that explains it somewhat.
>
> https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-a-pdf-with-
> fillable-forms-in-libreoffice/
>
> I've tried it and it works fairly well. I'm still learning some of the
> nuances. I'll test it on various systems and I may use it for my current
> exam. I like the idea of using PDF instead of .DOC, and I think it may
> even be nicer for my students.
>
> I love learning new things that LO can do that I had never thought
> possible.
>
> Virgil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sounds like using .doc is the best answer after all.  The Pdf route is
intriguing.  I think Virgil probably knows whether any of his students have
relevant accessibility issues.

Part of the reason for ODF is to have a format that can avoid all these
pitfalls.  When ODF is more commonly used this whole confusing situation
should be in the past.  Some people even think it's the format that could
drive wider-spread wholesale migration to LibreOffice, OpenOffice, KOffice,
Gnome Office and all the rest.

At the moment we are still stuck with a lot of places having to offer at
least 2 formats;  Pdf and the older MS one.

Regards from
a Tom :)





On 1 May 2018 at 19:19, Dave Howorth  wrote:

> On Tue, 1 May 2018 18:03:42 +
> toki  wrote:
>
> > On 04/30/2018 07:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >
> > > The easiest - and safst - approach would be to use Libreoffice to
> > > create the form, save it as a fillable PDF form, then send that to
> > > your students.\
> >
> > Government agencies make great targets for ADA &Section 508 lawsuits,
> > because they have deep pockets. Since PDF is not an accessible file
> > format, that fill-able PDF form means that a student with an a11y can,
> > and since they are probably broke, will sue the college for Section
> > 508/ADA violations. (For individuals with a11y issues, filing ADA
> > lawsuits is a great source of income. One lawsuit a month. One
> > settlement per month, US$5,000 per month, tax free.  Great way to
> > supplement one's disability check.)
> >
> > IOW, fill-able PDF is an extremely bad idea.
>
> What's the 'approved' solution?
>
> > jonathon
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks :))

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 30 April 2018 at 23:52, gordon cooper  wrote:

> To make a PDF from LO.
>
> File>Export>Export as PDF.
>
> And in the bad/good old days when I used an MS operating system and was
> proof reading scripts that came as PDF's, I used one of Nuance's programs
> to edit and annotate the proofs
>
> Incidentally, I have been using LInux and LO for years and regularly
> needed to
> use MS Word in replies to the members of a craft group I  have been
> assisting.
>
> No problems even though LO chides me for using an MS format and warns about
> errors.
>
> Gordon.
>
>
>
> On 01/05/18 09:53, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
>> On 04/30/2018 05:49 PM, Ben Oliver wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-04-30 21:43:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>>
 This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3 in
 saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of saving as a
 "fillable PDF form." Can you give a quick explanation of how to do that?

 Like Tom, I've always thought of PDF as a generally non-editable format,
 although I have used fillable PDF forms before. I've just never known
 how to create a fillable PDF. Can it be done from within LO?

 Virgil

>>> My understanding is that it's a feature pretty much only covered by
>>> Adobe software. That includes filling out a form.
>>>
>>> Things may have changed since I last checked.
>>>
>>> That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm intrigued by the
>> possibility of doing it directly within LO.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
True.

I think it is important for us to keep raising awareness of "migration
rather than switching" or "evolution rather than revolution".

To be fair to that sort of technical 'support' they have to just follow
orders and they don't want to get caught in a scenario where they are
trying to maintain and support 2 different systems.

On the other hand just leaving MS Office on a system is easier than
removing it and it will crumble away on it's own.  It is a security risk
and will have it's own wobbly moments but those will encourage people to
move increasingly to the better, newer system.

Also i think we have a duty to resist "just following orders" although that
is not always possible.  I've heard many stories of tech-support people
quietly letting a machine's user know how to access something they
shouldn't and asking them to keep it quiet.  I've used the "oops i forgot"
excuse a few times but that rarely works out well.


I've generally found tech support to be arogant a*$3h0l3s until i started
meeting people who also support non-MS systems.
Regards from
a Tom :)








On 1 May 2018 at 01:16, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

> Of course you're right from a technological standpoint, but in our
> situation, the IT staff came in over the weekend and literally deleted
> WordPerfect from everyones' computers, along with all our macros, etc. and
> installed MSO. We all arrived on Monday to a big surprise. One secretary
> was so angry she left and didn't come back for several days.
>
> So, there's technological forcing and then there's political forcing.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Tom Davies 
> Date: 4/30/18 7:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Virgil Arrington 
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users
> Group [Facebook]?
>
> Hi :)
> Switching is painful.  It's the MS way.
>
> It's difficult to have 2 versions of MSO running on one system - but it's
> easy to install LibreOffice alongside MS Office.
>
> So it's easier to migrate gradually, at your own pace, from MS Office to
> LibreOffice.  You are not forced to lose access to the system you are
> familiar with when moving to a FOSS system.
>
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 April 2018 at 22:14, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 04/30/2018 03:02 PM, Tim-L wrote:
>> > I started this thread with the notice of someone on a Facebook post
>> > wondering how to default to saving to MS Word format.
>> >
>> > Yes, a "crusade" to get schools to make the switch to Open Document
>> > Formats should be looked into.  But that is not what was implied in
>> > the thread I originally talked about.
>> >
>>
>> I was only responding to the suggestion that the problem you were trying
>> to solve -- how to default to an MSO format -- was misdirected, when the
>> "real problem" was that schools use MSO rather than LO. When all I need
>> to do is get a final exam to my students in the next two days, I don't
>> have time for FOSS crusades.
>>
>> I recall back in the day, the mantra of IT managers was that, nobody
>> ever got fired for buying IBM. I suspect a similar attitude exists today
>> with MSO.
>>
>> I remember  many, many years ago when the government office where I
>> worked switched from WordPerfect to MS Word. The outcry from the
>> proficient WordPerfect users was deafening.
>>
>> I can only imagine the mutiny that might result if a major institution
>> announced that it was switching all of its computers from the familiar
>> MSO to LibreOffice. Now, I love LO as much as the next FOSS user, but
>> that love has come from constant use since the days when it was
>> StarOffice. I have invested the time to learn the program and customize
>> it for my use with styles, templates, etc. I wouldn't fault an MSO user
>> from feeling completely ambushed if his employer were to declare that he
>> had to switch to LO.
>>
>> Virgil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
That sounds interesting!  How do you create a "fillable field"?  I know
about hybrid Pdfs but fillable fields sounds like something that could be
used outside of LO.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 30 April 2018 at 22:57, Remy Gauthier  wrote:

> Le lundi 30 avril 2018 à 21:53 +, Virgil Arrington a écrit :
> > On 04/30/2018 05:49 PM, Ben Oliver wrote:
> > > On 18-04-30 21:43:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> > > > This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3
> > > > in
> > > > saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of saving as a
> > > > "fillable PDF form." Can you give a quick explanation of how to
> > > > do that?
> > > >
> > > > Like Tom, I've always thought of PDF as a generally non-editable
> > > > format,
> > > > although I have used fillable PDF forms before. I've just never
> > > > known
> > > > how to create a fillable PDF. Can it be done from within LO?
> > > >
> > > > Virgil
> > >
> > > My understanding is that it's a feature pretty much only covered
> > > by
> > > Adobe software. That includes filling out a form.
> > >
> > > Things may have changed since I last checked.
> > >
> >
> > That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm intrigued by the
> > possibility of doing it directly within LO.
> >
> When you create a Writer document with fillable fields, the resulting
> PDF supports having these fields edited. I just tried this with LO
> 6.0.3 and Evince (Linux). I suspect the same will apply to Acrobat
> Reader.
> Rémy.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Switching is painful.  It's the MS way.

It's difficult to have 2 versions of MSO running on one system - but it's
easy to install LibreOffice alongside MS Office.

So it's easier to migrate gradually, at your own pace, from MS Office to
LibreOffice.  You are not forced to lose access to the system you are
familiar with when moving to a FOSS system.

Regards from
a Tom :)





On 30 April 2018 at 22:14, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

>
>
> On 04/30/2018 03:02 PM, Tim-L wrote:
> > I started this thread with the notice of someone on a Facebook post
> > wondering how to default to saving to MS Word format.
> >
> > Yes, a "crusade" to get schools to make the switch to Open Document
> > Formats should be looked into.  But that is not what was implied in
> > the thread I originally talked about.
> >
>
> I was only responding to the suggestion that the problem you were trying
> to solve -- how to default to an MSO format -- was misdirected, when the
> "real problem" was that schools use MSO rather than LO. When all I need
> to do is get a final exam to my students in the next two days, I don't
> have time for FOSS crusades.
>
> I recall back in the day, the mantra of IT managers was that, nobody
> ever got fired for buying IBM. I suspect a similar attitude exists today
> with MSO.
>
> I remember  many, many years ago when the government office where I
> worked switched from WordPerfect to MS Word. The outcry from the
> proficient WordPerfect users was deafening.
>
> I can only imagine the mutiny that might result if a major institution
> announced that it was switching all of its computers from the familiar
> MSO to LibreOffice. Now, I love LO as much as the next FOSS user, but
> that love has come from constant use since the days when it was
> StarOffice. I have invested the time to learn the program and customize
> it for my use with styles, templates, etc. I wouldn't fault an MSO user
> from feeling completely ambushed if his employer were to declare that he
> had to switch to LO.
>
> Virgil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Pdf is not meant to be editable.  It's purpose was to look the same
everywhere on any machine and be easy to open on anything with a free,
small, easily installed program.

For editable documents the best format is still .Doc and the other older MS
formats.  Now that MS have stopped developing it there are no unexpected
new bumps - and it's old enough that it's a familiar option in most
programs.

It still has problems such as vulnerability to malware but even the most
recent versions of MS's newest format apparently have that problem too.  Of
course such malware relies on users opening the document with MS Officee.
To get infected in the first place needs someone with skills and
intent/ineptitude between document creator and weeu - or to be created on
an appropriately infected version of MS Office.

So Virgil's use of the older MS Format neatly avoids almost all of the
usual problems of that format and completely avoids the incompatibility
issues between each of the "transitional" versions of their newer format.


When saving in MS Formats it is wise to keep an original copy in ODF
because every version of MS Office seems to like stuffing-up documents it
saves in any format.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 30 April 2018 at 19:39, Tanstaafl  wrote:

> On 4/30/2018, 8:32:31 AM, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
> > Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO
> > Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will
> > type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to me.
> > I need to get the file to my students in a format they can easily use
> > with their computers. I will use .DOC for this purpose because it's the
> > easiest solution to this situation.
>
> No, it is just the one you settled on.
>
> The easiest - and safst - approach would be to use Libreoffice to create
> the form, save it as a fillable PDF form, then send that to your students.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Microsoft have problems following any standard or any format, even their
own.  Usually it looks like their ineptitude looks a lot like a deliberate
attempt to ensure that people have to keep buying newer and newer versions
of MS Office to keep up with everyone else.

MS Office 2007 and 2010 claimed to be able to read ODF but had trouble with
spreadsheets.  They saw that people were using version 2.? of ODF and
decided to go for 'compatibility' with version 1.0 (or 1.1) of ODF
instead.  That meant they could claim they were reaching out and had
fulfilled obligations/promises/expectations to be able to read other
people's formats but ensured that there would be significant hiccups.

By the time of MS Office 2013 the ODF version 2.? had finally become
formally recognised as "stable" by the committee that manages it.

So, MS ran out of reasonable excuses for failing to implement the same
version of ODF as everyone else.  This time it would look like ineptitude.


With their own 'new' format each different version of MS Office used a
different "transitional version" of their format - using the excuse that
their own ISO format was too difficult to implement.

Regards from
a Tom :)














On 30 April 2018 at 19:02, Tim-L  wrote:

> On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
>> You are trying to find a solution to a problem.
>>> The problem is the wrong choice of the school ('only DOC or DOCX
>>> documents')
>>> Try to solve the problem, and try not to find a work-around as solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> I teach at a college. I use LO, LyX and LaTeX for my work. All of my
>> students use MSO. The reasons? It is familiar to them and they get it
>> free as college students. I don't know if this is standard MS policy or
>> a special arrangement the college has made with Redmond.
>>
>> My experience with college students is that most have no clue about
>> different file formats. They just save their work in whatever format
>> defaults on their programs, which happens to be .DOCX, .XLSX, etc.
>>
>> Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO
>> Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will
>> type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to me.
>> I need to get the file to my students in a format they can easily use
>> with their computers. I will use .DOC for this purpose because it's the
>> easiest solution to this situation.
>>
>> I suppose I could insist that all of my students use .ODT file format
>> instead of .DOC, but I've decided its easier for one person (me) to
>> change his file format for a specific task than it is for scores of
>> students to change theirs. I want them to focus their efforts on the
>> substance of the test rather than the nuances of computer software.
>>
>> I suppose that I could also crusade to solve the "problem" of the school
>> choosing the wrong office suite for its students, but that Quixotic
>> quest will take much more time and emotional energy than I have.
>>
>> It is much easier for me to simply select a native MSO format than it is
>> to fight an impossible dream against the tide of inertia. I only do it
>> when I need to and I am deeply grateful to the LO developers for
>> creating a program that translates to .DOC and .DOCX so well.
>>
>> But, this thread has piqued my interest in the Linux FB user's group.
>> I'll check it out.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
>> I started this thread with the notice of someone on a Facebook post
> wondering how to default to saving to MS Word format.
>
> Yes, a "crusade" to get schools to make the switch to Open Document
> Formats should be looked into.  But that is not what was implied in the
> thread I originally talked about.
>
> The thread, in part, went into a sidebar about security in a computer
> center and control of what packages would be allowed to be accessible. I
> stated that I had to spend time a week to uninstall all of the user
> installed packages to download files that was not allowed, or illegal.
> Things like porn [normal and illegal types] and copyrighted movies, TV
> shows, etc. Some people who we caught were evicted and/or arrested. The
> computer center was closed.  I told him that I tried to get the
> powers-that-be switch to Linux systems and only have packages like Firefox,
> Skype, and LibreOffice accessible to the users. Having to use a Root
> password to install any packages would help keep the computers clean.
>
> Then the question of saving MSO file formats by default was posed.
>
> After that, I posted the start of this thread.
>
> I did not expect the call for a "crusade" to get the schools to allow ODFs
> to be used.  I just wanted to post that there are non-LibreOffice user
> groups that questions may come up about using LO.  This is not the first
> time I have dealt with emails and user group questions about using
> LibreOffice.
>
> ---
>
> YES, I think schools need to move to open source packages. I looked into
> doing this local

Re: [libreoffice-users] [Changes in menus, WAS Copying slides from . . .]

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, I tend to think it's inevitable that documentation lags behind
implementation - unless one makes promises that may not be able to be kept
or that restrict development or that are going to be broken and then need
to be rewritten.  I too think LO gets it right.

'Recently' 'the' Documentation Team became quite a lot larger.  Up until a
couple of years ago the English Team was mostly reliant on a very tiny
number of total stars - unsung heroes imo.  It was led by 1 individual who
really didn't want the job of leading the team but who was accidentally
really good at leading and just couldn't help doing so.  She even hid for a
few months once but had set things up so well that most of us lurkers
hadn't even realised.

Nowadays that's all changed.  Many more people seem to be involved at
higher levels and new people are joining all the time.  It's still not the
discussion-group that it was in the earlys but it seems to get a lot of
work done on the Published Guides and seems to have expanded it's remit a
bit and liases with the translators more.

The 'in-built' help still seems to be a very tiny crew working with very
technical tools to build something that is easier to translate.  Part of
that is to make sure it doesn't keep changing all the time. ie, it's what
we normal users think of as "stable".  Fixing any of it's problems could
easily result in tons of work for hundreds of language teams even where the
translators have already corrected those things as they were going along.

A stupid fictional example would be adding a space after a full-stop in 1
sentence.  That would send an alert to hundreds of translators and mark
their current translations as incomplete or wrong.  Then for each of the
over a hundred languages one person would have to "Ok" it's translation and
another "Ok" it in the review process and another "Ok" it as being
proof-read and once accepted those 'translations' would be sent to all the
distros for their translator teams to "Ok"!

There is work being done to smooth some of that out and work-flows are
set-up to minimise it but the up-shot is that the in-built help is great
for non-English and the published guides are better for English.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications


Regards from
a Tom :)



On 19 Apr 2018 00:35, "Virgil Arrington"  wrote:

Roy,

Thank you for your thoughts on menu-redesign.

My comment about not knowing why this particular change was needed was
not intended as a complaint, although I can see how it could have been
taken that way.

I am *extremely* grateful to the LO developers for their overall
consistency in user interface from one release to the next. I'm
especially grateful that they have never followed Microsoft's lead with
the ribbon, a total redesign that did nothing other than take up screen
real estate.

I can understand why some things may make more sense in a different
place on the menu. For example, "Insert > File..." may give the
impression that the only thing that can be inserted is an entire Impress
file rather than select slides from that file, or a user might think it
refers to files other than other Impress files. By moving the function
to "Slide > Insert Slides from File..." a user may more clearly
understand what the function provides.

I consider a change like this to be extremely minor, and once learned, I
will quickly forget that there used to be a different way.

And, given the open source nature of LO, it always seems that the help
files lag behind the improvements to the program itself.


Virgil



On 04/18/2018 03:14 PM, Roy Reese wrote:
>> Enviar: martes 17 de abril de 2018 a las 22:44
>> De: anne-ology 
>> Para: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Copying slides from one presentation to
another]
>>
>> Thank you for responding; maybe you've figured this out for me.
>>
>> I'll be attempting this soon,
> Anne,
>
> Do you have the help files installed? I don't generally use Impress, but
I know from changes in Writer that I have had to look for things (including
the Insert Document function from 5.x). I just opened Impress (6.0.3.2) and
a) (based on Virgil's reply), found the insert file function slide function
(oddly to me, under Slide rather than Insert) and b) checked the help file
which in an sub-entry for insert has instructions for inserting either a
whole file or selected slides.
>
> This is similar to changes in Writer, although, actually, more accessible
in the Impress help file than the Writer one. Actually, I cannot find
equivalent help in Writer at the moment as the Insert document is now
handled by Insert text from document which I do not see documented or at
least clearly indexed (at least in my Spanish-language help files), neither
do I see the possibility of selecting only part of the text before
insertion (which makes the label for the command misleading).
>
> Anne and Virgil,
>
> I am not sure why some menus have changed, but I think that we h

[libreoffice-users] Proofing Tool GUI - Hyphenation support

[Tom Davies]

On 8 Apr 2018 22:38, "Marco A.G. Pinto"  wrote:

Hello!

Just to let the development community know that after five years
planning to add hyphenation support to Proofing Tool GUI, it is finally
implemented.

It took me just around a couple of weeks to have it ready since only now
I was told about the algorithm.

You can give it a try (PTG 3.0 - build 123) at:
www.proofingtoolgui.org

Don't hesitate to report any issues or give suggestions.

Thank you!

Kind regards,
 >Marco A.G.Pinto
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office problem

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Does this help?
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/About_Headers_and_Footers

Regards from
a Tom :)

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:43 anne-ology,  wrote:

>Maybe I can help,
>
>   is the document locked?; if so, then you need ro unlock it first,
> if not, then ??
>
>   have you gone to the menus for header & footer?, maybe the
> changes can be done there?
>
>   have you selected all then attempted to apply new information to
> the template?
>
>Maybe someone else on this list will answer with more help soon,
>
>
>
>
> From: Vesna Karanov 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 14:11:00 +0200
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office problem
> Hi, can you help me? I am having a problem deleting header photo,
> watermark, and footer from documents. I cannot delete or even select those
> object. As if they are previously created templates. Can you give me
> instructions how to change it? I have a new logo for my company and I need
> to change it in our documentation.
>
> Kind regards,
> *Vesna Karanov* | Design and Marketing manager
> vesna.kara...@novalite.rs  | +381 (60) 042 62
> 59
> *NovaLite doo* | novalite.rs  
> off...@novalite.rs | +381 (21) 661 64 32
> Futoška 89, Novi Sad
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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc taking 97% of cpu

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry I can't help with this problem.

Can you create a back-up (ie just a copy) of the ascii file?  Do you have
an older copy of the ascii file and if so does that still open correctly?
Hmmm, approx what file-size?  Gb, Mb or kb?  Has the size changed
drastically recently?  Can you right click and open with gedit or whichever
text-editor you favour?  If so don't save, just close or quit.  It's a good
idea to avoid touching the back-up with anything jic poking around does
something odd - then you still have access to the untouched copy.

Does it contain confidential information (such as names, addresses or such
like)?  My guess would be "yes" so uploading it to Nabble or anything is
prolly unfeasable.

It might be worth seeing if Gnumeric can handle the file better.  Gnumeric
is a dedicated spreadsheet program so sometimes it's a bit more focussed on
just dealing with spreadsheets better.

There are memory options in LibreOffice which can be drastically bumped up
to handle much larger file-sizes.
Tools - Options - General   ?

Sorry I'm not really helping here!  Still trying to waggle the wires to see
if something gets dislodged or falls into place.
Apols and regards from
a Tom :)

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:40 John R. Sowden, 
wrote:

> version 5.1.6.2  xubuntu 16.04 LTS  1 GB RAM 5.5 GB available disk space
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 03/30/2018 09:26 AM, John R. Sowden wrote:
> > Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
> >
> > LO version uk, updated about 6 mo ago, I believe
> >
> > (I tried to open a smaller SS but I got a full gray screen, no menu
> > bar, only title and close box.  After 5 min I closed it
> >
> > Note this does not happen when I open SS files only.  Only iof I am
> > trting to edit this ascii file.  When I click on a cell, it takes
> > about 5 min for the cursor to move to that cell even if it is only a
> > few cells away.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/30/2018 06:54 AM, jorge Rodríguez wrote:
> >> Hi John and all:
> >>
> >> Would you please tell us to the e-mail list what kind of
> >> Operative System do you have and the LibreOffice version do you use ?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jorge Rodríguez
> >>
> >>
> >> El 29/03/2018 a las 23:49, John R. Sowden escribió:
> >>> I read in a ascii database into calc. It is taking 97-98% of the cpu
> >>> resource per htop, yet nothing is happening.  I move the cursor to a
> >>> cell, big gray box, sits ther for > 15 minutes, yet I can move the
> >>> window, play freecell, et. with no problem.  It seems the slowness
> >>> is in LO, not the system at large.
> >>>
> >>> thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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WoooHooo a fav bug fixed :))) Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc: Export as PDF

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Always good to see :)
Regards from
a Tom :)

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:19 Steve Edmonds,  wrote:

> Great it's resolved for you, I have been caught out by this.
>
> On 29/03/18 09:44, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > On 2018/03/27 22:20, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >> Have you checked Format>Print ranges and checked View>Page break to
> >> see that the graphs fit on the page.
> >> Does File>Prit preview show all graphs.
> >
> > Checked the Format of the page being correctly orientated etc and
> > Print Preview did NOT show all images.
> > So I defined the print range as the whole page, which I thought would
> > have been standard printing practice i.e. if I say print sheets
> > 1,3,4,5 then the entire sheets of 1, 3, 4, 5 should be selected and
> > printed but apparently Libreoffice didn't think like I did.
> > I amended all the sheets and defined the print range as the entire
> > sheet and then all graphs showed on Print Preview. I Exported as PDF
> > and viola' all graphs appeared.
> >
> > Thanks, I'll certainly remember to check print range in future.
> >
> > Regards
> > Hylton
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> On 28/03/18 09:01, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have a large spreadsheet of 23 sheets of which all but two contain
> >>> full page graphs i.e. at 200% magnification the graph stretches
> >>> until column K and down to row 25.
> >>>
> >>> On a monthly basis I need to select 11 of the sheets, 10 of which
> >>> hold graphs and Export as PDF into a single PDF. The 'export' works
> >>> but only on 6 pages, whilst the others are lost in the ether. The
> >>> PDF created is an Archive PDF/A, duplicate field names are allowed
> >>> and View PDF after export is selected with lossless compression of
> >>> the selected sheets.
> >>> I have tried creating the PDF as a Hybrid PDF with the same results
> >>> although no warning about transparency.
> >>>
> >>> Viewing in Adobe Reader afterwards only produces some of the sheets
> >>> and does not begin with the first sheet selected.
> >>>
> >>> I am using Version: 5.4.6.2
> >>> Build ID: 4014ce260a04f1026ba855d3b8d91541c224eab8
> >>> CPU threads: 4; OS: Mac OS X 10.13.3; UI render: default;
> >>> Locale: en-ZA (en_ZA.UTF-8); Calc: group
> >>>
> >>> Please advise as there are approximately 1500 people who receive the
> >>> graphs and could therefore want to try Libreoffice themselves.
> >>>
> >>> I have searched the Bugzilla and not found one that matches so have
> >>> created a new one titled: Bug 116667 - FILESAVE: Export as PDF
> >>>
> >>> Any comments?
> >>>
> >>> Hylton
> >>> P.S.:I am on the Libreoffice users mailing list and can be reached
> >>> privately via mailto:hyl...@conacher.co.za
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc taking 97% of cpu

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Weird!  Err, have you tried renaming the user-profile?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

You prolly have but I thought i'd jump in with a "waggle the wires"
answer.  Renaming beats deleting because you can prolly just rename it back
if there is no effect to get almost all your settings and stuff back.

When LibreOffice 'can't find' your settings it generates a default set.  If
you got your LO from somewhere other than the LibreOffice website then the
default settings may be a little different than the "factory defaults" you
may have started with.

Renaming the user-profile is a magic 'cure all' that often works when
something weird happens.  It's a bit of a Spring Clean that gets rid of a
lot of "system rot" so it's prolly good to do occasionally anyway.
Regards from
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 06:52 John R. Sowden, 
wrote:

> I read in a ascii database into calc.  It is taking 97-98% of the cpu
> resource per htop, yet nothing is happening.  I move the cursor to a
> cell, big gray box, sits ther for > 15 minutes, yet I can move the
> window, play freecell, et. with no problem.  It seems the slowness is in
> LO, not the system at large.
>
> thoughts?
>
> John
>
>
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On 30 Mar 2018 06:52, "John R. Sowden"  wrote:

I read in a ascii database into calc.  It is taking 97-98% of the cpu
resource per htop, yet nothing is happening.  I move the cursor to a
cell, big gray box, sits ther for > 15 minutes, yet I can move the
window, play freecell, et. with no problem.  It seems the slowness is in
LO, not the system at large.

thoughts?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] bouncing messages?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think they automatically get added to your inbox but because of the
time-stamp on them they will be kinda rifle-shuffled in amongst your old
emails rather than all appearing at the top (or bottom)  of your inbox.

Also they appear in Nabble or GMane interfaces/lists.
Regards from
Tom :)







On 27 March 2018 at 17:28, Thomas Blasejewicz  wrote:

> Good evening
> An automated messages tell me, that there are a number of "bouncing
> messages",
> but all I get is a number :
>
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 53454
>
> How am I supposed to view those messages?
> Thank you
> Thomas
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice - patches

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I heard that just one part of the British Government (the local councils?)
'had to' pay M$ 6 million to be able to keep using Xp for just 1 more
year!! Presumably they are continuing to pay that annually because the cost
of upgrading, and then continuing to run all their legacy programs.
Apparently one part of the Dutch Government is doing something similar.

Ironically if they moved to any Gnu&Linux or even Mac it is highly likely
that their legacy apps would work for free(ish) through "WINE".  For a
relatively small amount CodeWeavers would give a greater level of certainty
with that or/and employ some permanent devs "in house" to focus on whatever
issues crop up with them - but that might involve increasing their local
workforce which is politically complicated (especially if their work was
then fed back into the OpenSource project.

Most of us don't have 6 million in chump-change to throw away on projects
shrouded in secrecy that have no foreseeable end-date - let alone one that
has minimal investment in our countries future and for a product that is
certain to be dropped at random over some profit-driven or political whim
of a foreign organisation!

Regards from
Tom :)








On 27 March 2018 at 00:09, toki  wrote:

> On 03/26/2018 07:56 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
> >>  I'm pretty sure "mainstream support" ended a few years ago.  Quite
> what that means seems very unclear.
>
> > It isn't that hard.
>
> If what I was told was true, in 2010, Microsoft was still providing Tier
> 3 support to a customer that used MS Dos 5.0, and a different customer
> that used Win95. (I suspect that in both cases, the support was a
> license fee for source code, and the paying customer did the bug fixes,
> etc. themselves.)
>
> As such, the precise meaning can change, depending upon circumstances.
>
> >MAYBE unless they are a large multinational corporation or government
> customer.
>
> a) If you hadn't put the qualifier "government" in, I could have pointed
> you at one organization that has that. However, I suspect that Microsoft
> provides that support, more because to not do so will result in an
> unwinnable lawsuit, than because they want to.
>
> b) Microsoft has several tiers of support. In theory, individuals,
> SOHOs, and SMBs can purchase support for any tier. However, simple
> economics restricts Tier 3 to big governments and bigger corporations.
> This is the level at which bug fixes, etc. are dealt with ASAP.
>
> > Long term support means just critical/security updates.
>
> The big issue with "long term support", is how "long term" is defined.
> Personally, I wouldn't call 18 months "long term", but marketing people
> apparently think so.
>
> jonathon
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice - patches

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm pretty sure "mainstream support" ended a few years ago.  Quite what
that means seems very unclear.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 05:08 Tanstaafl,  wrote:

> On Wed Mar 21 2018 17:51:59 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Miss Lizzy
>  wrote:
> > I'm about to get a new laptop as my current one is not in compliance
> with the new General Data Protection Regulations (it's just over 10years
> old with Windows 7 so no longer supported by Microsoft regarding patches).
>
> Eh? Not sure where you got that information, but Windows 7 isn't end of
> life until January 20th 2020, so you still get security updates until
> then (another 1.75 years).
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Sample documents showing off LibreOffice features

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
"Ages ago" apparently means early(ish) December 2017but i don't think it's
about a specific version of LO - I think they want examples of what is
currently being used by people.

Personally i do tend to use older versions but that could still be useful
to them  Sadly i just don't do anything flashy enough to be worth showing
off and is usually confidential anyway.  Boring and confidential is not an
ideal combination for showing things off!

I get the feeling that they could do with some 'new' things every 6 months
or so.  Prolly better to ask them before spending ages getting something
together - but if you happen to already have something that is easy to
sendthey   ht appreciate it.

Regards from
a Tom :)






On 26 February 2018 at 20:18, Tim-L  wrote:

>
> "Ages Ago" - that means several versions ago, like 3.6.x or 4.4.x maybe?
>
> Since LibreOffice is now on the 6.0.x version, there must be a lot of new
> abilities for rendering "complex" documents.  It would be nice to have a
> new set of documents to show the current state on what LibreOffice can do
> for our users.  I do not create complex documents, so I do not know all the
> ways that you can make a good looking complex document.  The most complex
> document I have done over the years, is to create 6 column, with frames,
> per side of a tabloid [11 by 17 inch] sheet of paper for a newsletter. I do
> not remember how to setup these frames anymore.
>
> So, if any one can make really great looking documents, newsletters,
> editable calendars, etc., I think there should be a place to post them so
> potential users can see what users can do. I know I would point to that
> place to let local people know why LO is a very useful office suite.
>
>
>
>
> On 02/26/2018 01:06 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>>  From ages ago.  There was a call for anyone with a fancy document or
>> spreadsheet to show off through the marketing team.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 December 2017 at 09:40, Mike Saunders <
>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'd like to build up a collection of sample ODF documents that really
>>> show off the versatility of LibreOffice. This could be complex Writer
>>> documents, or spreadsheets doing awesome things, or smart-looking
>>> presentations.
>>>
>>> These would be useful for marketing (making screenshots and videos) and
>>> showing potential users what the suite is capable of.
>>>
>>> So I'm putting this call out for docs! If you have something you want to
>>> share, and are happy for it to be public and Creative Commons BY-SA,
>>> please email it to me. I'll then organise what I receive and set up a
>>> wiki page for them.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Sample documents showing off LibreOffice features

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
From ages ago.  There was a call for anyone with a fancy document or
spreadsheet to show off through the marketing team.
Regards from
a Tom :)



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> Hello,
>
> I'd like to build up a collection of sample ODF documents that really
> show off the versatility of LibreOffice. This could be complex Writer
> documents, or spreadsheets doing awesome things, or smart-looking
> presentations.
>
> These would be useful for marketing (making screenshots and videos) and
> showing potential users what the suite is capable of.
>
> So I'm putting this call out for docs! If you have something you want to
> share, and are happy for it to be public and Creative Commons BY-SA,
> please email it to me. I'll then organise what I receive and set up a
> wiki page for them.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[libreoffice-users] Android LO viewer new version just released Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Video for LibreOffice Viewer on the Play Store - draft script

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I thought people here might be interested in trying out the latest
LibreOffice viewer on Android.

If you can it'd be good to help the marketing team (and perhaps the devs
too) by videoing or/and taking screen-shots of some of your usage  That
might be easier using an Android emulator (i think Gnu & Linux has a few.)
but i think they want some real-world too.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 26 February 2018 at 11:06, Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> As you probably know, we have a version of LibreOffice for Android,
> called LibreOffice Viewer:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.documentfoundation.
> libreoffice&hl=en
>
> A new version has been released recently, thanks to our community of
> developers and volunteers, and I'd like to make a video for the Google
> Play listing. Recommendations from the Android developer website:
>
> "Create a video of your app in action to show off the app's main
> features, either by using screen capture software and filming a physical
> device running the app. Try to keep the video concise; aim for a run
> time of somewhere between 30 and 120 seconds, and highlight the most
> important or compelling features first."
>
> I'd go for something short, with a voiceover and quiet music track in
> the background. My draft outline for the script:
>
> * (LibreOffice logo) LibreOffice is the most popular free and open
> source office suite – and now it's available for your smartphone or tablet.
> * (Animation of scrolling through a document) With LibreOffice Viewer,
> you can access your documents, spreadsheets and presentations in many
> formats, including Open Document and Office Open XML.
> * (Animation of spreadsheet) LibreOffice Viewer is based on the the same
> engine as the desktop application, for maximum consistency across
> platforms.
> * (Animation of editing mode) In addition, an experimental editing
> option is available, so you can update your documents on the go.
> * (Picture of the icon) So try it today! Download it, use it, and give
> our community feedback to help us improve it!
>
> What does everyone think? Anything else we should mention or focus on?
> Should we talk about the experimental editing mode at all, or make a
> more prominent request for bug reports?
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
LibreOffice is not like most programs.  It has a large core program with a
few tiny modules / satellites / add-ons / plug-ins / apps that kinda
plug-in to that core.  Removing one or a handful of those modules does very
little to affect the size or complexity of LibreOffice.  At least that is
how i understand it to be.



There is always Abiword or Google-docs.

Abiword focuses on beinga word-processor without having to integrate with
other programs.  It should be smaller, lighter and faster but i've not used
it in the last decade or so.

The only functionality missing from Abiword was that i couldn't make it
default to using MS formats.  Quite ironic since i now rarely use MS
formats - because they are incompatible between different versions of MS
Office = with new versions of MS Office struggling to open older files that
use their format.



As for using Linux i used to be a fairly normal "point and click" user
until after i had used "gnu and linux" for about a year.  In that first
year i spent most of my time still using Windows with only occasional
forays into Linux.  Then i started using Firefox, OpenOffice and other
things on Windows too - and then i found a game on Linux that wouldn't work
on Windows.  That was when my migration to Linux got faster and faster.  So
it took me a couple of years of really not pushing myself before i found
i'd kinda accidentally stumbled into using Linux without working at it
much.

I'm not sure what migration route i'd recommend for a blind user.  Perhaps
using a simple virtual machine such as Virtualbox = it's not as scary as it
sound!  It's just a program you can install in Windows and when you
double-click on it the program runs in a window which you can just close to
stop the virtual-machine.

Another route is to install Ubuntu inside Windows as though it was just
another program.  Unlike other distros (Mint, Red-hat, Open-Suse etc) the
Ubuntu people make a "Wubi installer" on their installer Dvd and the Wubi
can be installed on Windows.  So maybe just stick an Ubuntu Dvd or
Usb-stick in and see what options it gives you.

Actually "Puppy Linux" does something similar but although it's good on
low-spec or older systems it's much less typical of linux distros and it's
not so easy to migrate to other distros

That is just my own opinion but it's too the best of my limited knowledge
about these things.

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 24 February 2018 at 18:37, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> >
> > Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> > DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> > package managers like Synaptic.
>
> I have never installed LibreOffice on a Windows-system. You could choose
> the packages under OpenSUSE, so why shouldn't you be able to install the
> packages you wish under *.deb-based Linux-systems? Our main-problem with
> Base and Ubuntu is: Ubuntu doesn't install Base and doesn't install the
> report-builder for default. So it seems to be able to install separate
> parts of LO.
>
> I could only say for the packages of LO directly, not for the packages
> of Ubuntu: You could choose, for example, only Writer - Calc, Impress,
> Base and so on aren't installed then.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry, i don't know what PYOO is so i have redirected this question back to
the LO mailing list - even though it is really a question for Calligra
forums/mailing-lists.

I've only used their spreadsheets for very straight-forwards sums, to add
columns of figures.

Is PYOO something that can be tested by some fairly trivial example?
Apols and regards from
a Tom :)





On 24 February 2018 at 04:17, fudmier  wrote:

> very interesting .. will PYOO work on its spread sheets as well.   ?
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-02-23 02:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
>> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
>> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi :)
>>>> Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?
>>>>
>>>> Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
>>>> Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
>>>> Xubuntu.
>>>> There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
>>>> get the
>>>> most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
>>>> usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
>>>> discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
>>>> so light
>>>> and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
>>>> KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.
>>>>
>>>> Regards from
>>>> a Tom :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>>>>>
>>>>> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>>>>>> give
>>>>>>
>>>>> away.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>>>>>> drive.  It was an
>>>>>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>>>>>> it needs
>>>>>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>>>>>> better to
>>>>>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>>>>>> stated
>>>>>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>>>>>> "module
>>>>>> missing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>>>>>> install?
>>>>>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>>>>>> versions. As I
>>>>>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>>>>>> cycle.  So,
>>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>>>>>> repository.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>>>>>> a free
>>>>>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>>>>>> 15 inch
>>>>>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>
>>>>>> hardware for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>>>>>> problems?.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
>>>>> 16.04 on
>>>>> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
>>>>> LO - why
>>>>> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO jus

Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry, my keyboard is still suffering from when i crunched it's usb-plug.
It's still a beautiful keyboard but sometimes gets it's signals a bit
muddled.
Apols from
a Tom :)


On 23 February 2018 at 20:40, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
> wrote:
>
>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>> > Hi :)
>> > Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?
>> >
>> > Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
>> > Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
>> > Xubuntu.
>> > There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
>> > get the
>> > most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
>> > usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
>> > discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
>> > so light
>> > and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
>> > KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.
>> >
>> > Regards from
>> > a Tom :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>> > >
>> > > > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>> > > > give
>> > >
>> > > away.
>> > > > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>> > > > drive.  It was an
>> > > > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>> > > > it needs
>> > > > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>> > > > better to
>> > > > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>> > > >
>> > > > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>> > > > stated
>> > > > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>> > > > "module
>> > > > missing".
>> > > >
>> > > > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>> > > > install?
>> > > > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>> > > > versions. As I
>> > > > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>> > > > cycle.  So,
>> > >
>> > > it
>> > > > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>> > > > repository.
>> > > >
>> > > > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>> > > > a free
>> > > > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>> > > > 15 inch
>> > > > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>> > > > to buy
>> > >
>> > > any
>> > > > hardware for it.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>> > > > problems?.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
>> > > 16.04 on
>> > > this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
>> > > LO - why
>> > > not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
>> > > itself via
>> > > the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
>> > > this would
>> > > be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
>> > > don't wish
>> > > to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
>> > > DDR-2
>> > > sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
>> > > next to
>> > > nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
>&

Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh  wrote:

> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
> it down so much that it became unusable.
> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?
> >
> > Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
> > Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
> > Xubuntu.
> > There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
> > get the
> > most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
> > usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
> > discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
> > so light
> > and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
> > KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.
> >
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
> > >
> > > > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
> > > > give
> > >
> > > away.
> > > > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
> > > > drive.  It was an
> > > > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
> > > > it needs
> > > > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
> > > > better to
> > > > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
> > > >
> > > > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
> > > > stated
> > > > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
> > > > "module
> > > > missing".
> > > >
> > > > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
> > > > install?
> > > > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
> > > > versions. As I
> > > > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
> > > > cycle.  So,
> > >
> > > it
> > > > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
> > > > repository.
> > > >
> > > > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
> > > > a free
> > > > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
> > > > 15 inch
> > > > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
> > > > to buy
> > >
> > > any
> > > > hardware for it.
> > > >
> > > > So, what is the newest version I can install without and
> > > > problems?.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> > > 16.04 on
> > > this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> > > LO - why
> > > not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> > > itself via
> > > the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> > > this would
> > > be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> > > don't wish
> > > to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> > > DDR-2
> > > sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> > > next to
> > > nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> > > experience
> > > the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> > > listed as 256
> > > MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
> > >
> > > Henri
> > >
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Making Macro Programming a Breeze: The BASIC & API Reference Cards

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Documentation Team have apparently got some quick reference cards about
Macros or something.  I've not had a look but i thought a couple of people
here might be interested or be able to understand them (or both).
Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 19:01, Olivier Hallot  wrote:

> HI All
>
> A new reference card has been added to the list: The Basic Runtime Library.
>
> Download:
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/macro/
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Em 19/02/2018 10:34, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
> > Hi Folks..
> >
> > New documents available in our doc website:
> >
> > https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/02/19/making-macro-
> programming-breeze-basic-api-reference-cards/#more-6640
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Again, good points.  It is much easier to support people using a system
that you use yourself.  I gave up on using Kubuntu when i no longer had to
support anyone using it.  It is interesting and has tons of nice features
but i just prefer stock Ubuntu for my main use.  If i had to support low
spec machines again i would prolly give Kubuntu a go.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 17:26, Tim-L  wrote:

> On 02/23/2018 09:43 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
>
> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
>>
>> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give away.
>>
>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an
>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it needs
>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was better to
>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>
>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated
>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module
>> missing".
>>
>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would install?
>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest versions. As I
>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating" cycle.  So, it
>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.
>>
>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free
>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch
>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy any
>> hardware for it.
>>
>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.
>>
>
> ​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 16.04
> on this system, you should be able to install and run any version of LO -
> why not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated itself
> via the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond this
> would be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> don't wish to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some
> used DDR-2 sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> next to nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> experience the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> listed as 256 MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
>
>
> Hey Henri. . . . .
>
> First - I would have to buy more ram.  I may find some in a box
> somewhere.  I do not want to put money into this free giveaway desktop.
> Since HP no longer have spec info for this old XP desktop, I do not know if
> the two 256MB memory sticks is the largest or could it take two 512MB
> instead.
>
> Second - Ubuntu MATE stated the x86 version would take the least amount of
> ram, but since it gave me fatal errors, I tried x64 version.  I run this on
> laptops, like the one I am typing from.
>
> Tom Davis
> thought this desktop could use Kubuntu.  I have not tried KDE for a long
> time.  I read a lot of articles that stated that MATE was the better option
> to take an old XP desktop and add Linux distro that would be the "easiest"
> to move to for those who used XP. I likes the "gnome" version used
> originally for Ubuntu version 9 thru 12. After that I changed to the MATE
> desktop environment. Since I use Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS, and will go to
> 18.04LTS this year, if the person who gets the old system needs help, I can
> help them.
>
> zahra a
> mentioned using XP on the system.  I do have XP and a Win7 upgrade DVDs.
> For XP, I do not want to reinstall XP since there are no security updates
> anymore.  I really want the system not to have to use half the processor
> usage for security software.  As for Win7, well there are still some
> security updated for a newly installed Win7 systems.  Also, the processor
> issue is the same with Win7. This security issue is one of the biggest
> reasons for running Linux.  I knew that Ubuntu 12 could run well, but I was
> hoping to get 16.04LTS to install.
>
> Third - The Ubuntu MATE install updated the 64-bit LO 5.1.6.2 from the
> repository. I have one system running 5.4.4 and this one is running
> 6.0.0.3, but will go to 6.0.1.x soon.  I was thinking about running 5.4.5.x
> on the 512MB system.  I wanted the more "conservative user" version of LO
> over the "technology enthusiast, early adopter or power user" version for
> this system.
>
> To be honest, this old system will be used for a few things - browser,
> email, document creation, music and media player. I may add a few
> "education" packages to that system, since it may go to a kid as well as an
> adult.  As I stated, it will be free.  If you need a new/newer system, you
> can get a Win10 laptop for under $250.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yeh, 10mins is waaay too often for me.  I think psychologists ht suggest
20-40mins but i would go for around an hour.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 23 February 2018 at 17:14, zahra a  wrote:

> hi.
> for changing autoSave:
> open tools, options, load-save, general and active or deactivate
> Save AutoRecovery information every:
> newer versions of libreoffice by default, save the informations every
> ten minutes and you can change the number of saving.
>
> On 2/23/18, Tom Davies  wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > If you do try turning the auto-save off then you really need to get into
> > the habit of doing your own saves quite frequently.
> >
> > I tend to find that creating a document originally takes me a fair while
> > but if i lose it then it takes me a LOT less time 2nd time around.  When
> > first trying to write something down i wrestle with all sorts of
> decisions
> > about grammar, layout, formatting and how to express my thoughts.  If i
> > lose even a significant chunk of work i can usually re-create it very
> > quickly 2nd time around because i tend to find those decisions are still
> > lurking around somewhere so i can just get on with the typing.
> >
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18 February 2018 at 03:04, Steve Edmonds 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It is an interesting discussion.
> >> A while back auto-save was losing my images from the document, now that
> >> seems well and fixed.
> >> I have a UPS with 15 mins. or more reserve to give me plenty of time to
> >> save when the beeping starts, and LO seems so stable now, my multiple
> >> documents can sit open for a week or more and I cannot remember the last
> >> crash/hangup. I almost wonder if I can turn auto-save off.
> >> steve
> >>
> >>
> >> On 18/02/18 07:29, Girvin Herr wrote:
> >>
> >>> My beef with autosave is that it seems to start saving just as I start
> >>> typing and it does not save my keystrokes while it is saving and I
> don't
> >>> notice it is saving. I end up after the autosave, having to evaluate
> what
> >>> keystrokes worked and what didn't, and redoing the keystrokes that got
> >>> ignored. I still find the autosave benefits outweigh these
> aggravations,
> >>> though, so I have it enabled all the time.
> >>>
> >>> Girvin Herr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 02/17/2018 04:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi :)
> >>>> +1 to all points there!  I hadn't thought through my suggestions!
> >>>>
> >>>> The autosave thing is something that annoys me more than it helps.  I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> like my machine putting me on hold when it suddenly decides it needs
> to
> >>>> do
> >>>> something.  I tend to switch features like this off where I can and
> then
> >>>> just try to make sure I do my own saving and backups on my schedule
> >>>> rather
> >>>> than on the machine's.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards from
> >>>> a Tom :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17 Feb 2018 10:05, "Peter Hillier-Brook" 
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17/02/18 09:17, Tom Davies wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi :)
> >>>>>> I'm not sure how to open as read-only myself but i'd guess a
> >>>>>> right-click
> >>>>>> either per file or on a group of selected files prolly has
> something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Select "Open File" within Libre Office: in the dialogue box, in the
> >>>>> lower left hand corner is a clue and yes, it does function with
> >>>>> multiple
> >>>>> selected files.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think chmod might help change which user "owns" the files - or put
> >>>>>> them
> >>>>>> on a volume/drive/folder that is mounted read-only - but that all
> >>>>>> seems a
> >>>>>> bit extreme.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> It's more than a bit extreme, but changing the permissions on the
> >>>>> reference files would work, with possible side-effects. i.e. Libre
> >>>>> Office would probably try to auto-save and might regu

Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If you do try turning the auto-save off then you really need to get into
the habit of doing your own saves quite frequently.

I tend to find that creating a document originally takes me a fair while
but if i lose it then it takes me a LOT less time 2nd time around.  When
first trying to write something down i wrestle with all sorts of decisions
about grammar, layout, formatting and how to express my thoughts.  If i
lose even a significant chunk of work i can usually re-create it very
quickly 2nd time around because i tend to find those decisions are still
lurking around somewhere so i can just get on with the typing.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 18 February 2018 at 03:04, Steve Edmonds 
wrote:

> It is an interesting discussion.
> A while back auto-save was losing my images from the document, now that
> seems well and fixed.
> I have a UPS with 15 mins. or more reserve to give me plenty of time to
> save when the beeping starts, and LO seems so stable now, my multiple
> documents can sit open for a week or more and I cannot remember the last
> crash/hangup. I almost wonder if I can turn auto-save off.
> steve
>
>
> On 18/02/18 07:29, Girvin Herr wrote:
>
>> My beef with autosave is that it seems to start saving just as I start
>> typing and it does not save my keystrokes while it is saving and I don't
>> notice it is saving. I end up after the autosave, having to evaluate what
>> keystrokes worked and what didn't, and redoing the keystrokes that got
>> ignored. I still find the autosave benefits outweigh these aggravations,
>> though, so I have it enabled all the time.
>>
>> Girvin Herr
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/17/2018 04:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> +1 to all points there!  I hadn't thought through my suggestions!
>>>
>>> The autosave thing is something that annoys me more than it helps.  I
>>> don't
>>> like my machine putting me on hold when it suddenly decides it needs to
>>> do
>>> something.  I tend to switch features like this off where I can and then
>>> just try to make sure I do my own saving and backups on my schedule
>>> rather
>>> than on the machine's.
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> a Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Feb 2018 10:05, "Peter Hillier-Brook"  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/02/18 09:17, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi :)
>>>>> I'm not sure how to open as read-only myself but i'd guess a
>>>>> right-click
>>>>> either per file or on a group of selected files prolly has something.
>>>>>
>>>> Select "Open File" within Libre Office: in the dialogue box, in the
>>>> lower left hand corner is a clue and yes, it does function with multiple
>>>> selected files.
>>>>
>>>> I think chmod might help change which user "owns" the files - or put
>>>>> them
>>>>> on a volume/drive/folder that is mounted read-only - but that all
>>>>> seems a
>>>>> bit extreme.
>>>>>
>>>> It's more than a bit extreme, but changing the permissions on the
>>>> reference files would work, with possible side-effects. i.e. Libre
>>>> Office would probably try to auto-save and might regularly bleat about
>>>> its inability to do so.
>>>>
>>>> You could change the time-delay or completely eliminate the auto-save
>>>>> feature.  Such options used to be in;
>>>>> Tools - Options - ...
>>>>> or something like that and prolly still are.
>>>>>
>>>> Not a good idea if one wanted to auto-save the "live" document, however
>>>> depress F1 and search for "auto" in Help.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and Xubuntu.
There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really get the
most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that so light
and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day  wrote:

> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
> >
> > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give
> away.
> >
> > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an
> > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it needs
> > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was better to
> > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
> >
> > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated
> > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module
> > missing".
> >
> > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would install?
> > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest versions. As I
> > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating" cycle.  So,
> it
> > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.
> >
> > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free
> > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch
> > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy
> any
> > hardware for it.
> >
> > So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.
> >
>
> ​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 16.04 on
> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of LO - why
> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated itself via
> the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond this would
> be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you don't wish
> to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used DDR-2
> sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for next to
> nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you experience
> the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are listed as 256
> MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1 to all points there!  I hadn't thought through my suggestions!

The autosave thing is something that annoys me more than it helps.  I don't
like my machine putting me on hold when it suddenly decides it needs to do
something.  I tend to switch features like this off where I can and then
just try to make sure I do my own saving and backups on my schedule rather
than on the machine's.

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 17 Feb 2018 10:05, "Peter Hillier-Brook"  wrote:

> On 17/02/18 09:17, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > I'm not sure how to open as read-only myself but i'd guess a right-click
> > either per file or on a group of selected files prolly has something.
>
> Select "Open File" within Libre Office: in the dialogue box, in the
> lower left hand corner is a clue and yes, it does function with multiple
> selected files.
>
> > I think chmod might help change which user "owns" the files - or put them
> > on a volume/drive/folder that is mounted read-only - but that all seems a
> > bit extreme.
>
> It's more than a bit extreme, but changing the permissions on the
> reference files would work, with possible side-effects. i.e. Libre
> Office would probably try to auto-save and might regularly bleat about
> its inability to do so.
>
> > You could change the time-delay or completely eliminate the auto-save
> > feature.  Such options used to be in;
> > Tools - Options - ...
> > or something like that and prolly still are.
>
> Not a good idea if one wanted to auto-save the "live" document, however
> depress F1 and search for "auto" in Help.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm not sure how to open as read-only myself but i'd guess a right-click
either per file or on a group of selected files prolly has something.

I think chmod might help change which user "owns" the files - or put them
on a volume/drive/folder that is mounted read-only - but that all seems a
bit extreme.


You could change the time-delay or completely eliminate the auto-save
feature.  Such options used to be in;
Tools - Options - ...
or something like that and prolly still are.

Good luck and regards from
a Tom :)


On 14 Feb 2018 23:36, "Peter Hillier-Brook"  wrote:

> On 14/02/18 20:42, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> > Is it possible to make this setting on a per-document basis.
> > It is a real interruption editing one document with 8-10 others open for
> > reference only, that all auto-save and stop you editing the working
> > document.
> >
> > It would also be useful then to turn auto-save off for reference
> > documents so they are not accidentally altered.
> >
> > If not, possible enhancement. An auto-save on/off toggle in a top or
> > bottom bar for easy reference and switching.
>
> Just a guess, but why not open the "reference only" documents as read
> only? I imagine that LibreOffice will not auto save such documents, but
> if it does I would suggest that that's a bug.
>
> Peter HB
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Most organisations have instructions in the footer of any and all emails
they send.  It usually involves using a slightly different email address,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: macro to only change month

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
GnuCash definitely does a LOT more than you need !

The question is whether you find it easy enough to do what you need and see
the results in a way that is close enough to what you want. Ymmv as we are
all different.

If it looks like GnuCash is going to need tons of reading up about it then
it's prolly easier to keep using the system you know.

Apols and degards from
a Tom :)

On 29 Jan 2018 01:03, "bjlockie"  wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.
> I'm going to look at gnucash but I suspect it does much more than I need.
>
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