Re: [389-users] ACL processing

2013-07-09 Thread Ludwig Krispenz
On 07/09/2013 12:01 AM, Russell Beall wrote: Hi Ludwig, Thanks for responding on this. After further experimentation and re-applying ACI files from earlier times, I find that the condition probably has been present the whole time and I just didn't notice because I was focusing on

Re: [389-users] How do I restrict groups

2013-07-09 Thread Mark Reynolds
Hi Andy, What exactly do mean restrict the number of users/groups? Like a size limit, or you want to restrict particular users/groups that the client can see? If you want to restrict particular entries then you should use access control - as long as your client is not binding as the root

Re: [389-users] How do I restrict groups

2013-07-09 Thread Michael Lang
On 07/09/2013 10:07 PM, Mark Reynolds wrote: Hi Andy, What exactly do mean restrict the number of users/groups? Like a size limit, or you want to restrict particular users/groups that the client can see? If you want to restrict particular entries then you should use access control - as

networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Cristian Sava
On installs where iface reported by route command is not the same with ifcfg-iface (pxpy instead of enpxsy or ethx) fail2ban will not start. Does not matter if biosdevname=0 or net.ifnames=0 on the kernel line. Tested this on real hardware and on VirualBox too. From /var/log/messages:

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Cristian Sava
On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 09:48 +0300, Cristian Sava wrote: On installs where iface reported by route command is not the same with ifcfg-iface (pxpy instead of enpxsy or ethx) fail2ban will not start. Does not matter if biosdevname=0 or net.ifnames=0 on the kernel line. Tested this on real

Re: Urgent network help needed

2013-07-09 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rick Stevens wrote: Step 2: Reboot her laptop. Not a warm boot (ctrl-alt-del), but a full-tilt cold boot from power off. You say she uses a VPN to contact work, and it's often that the VPN clients leave crumbs in Windows' routing and DNS lookup tables. That did the trick, thank you very

Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Timothy Murphy
Doug wrote: Whoever is responsible for this installer should be tied in front of a Windows machine for the next 6 months or so as punishment! Actually Windows - at least Windows XP - is very good on this score. It tells you clearly what partitions it sees, and asks you where you would like to

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread sguazt
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Cristian Sava cs...@central.ucv.ro wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 09:48 +0300, Cristian Sava wrote: On installs where iface reported by route command is not the same with ifcfg-iface (pxpy instead of enpxsy or ethx) fail2ban will not start. Does not matter if

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Monday 08 July 2013 16:17:39 Gary Stainburn wrote: I have tried that before but so that I have a workable image that I can then just write to as many HDD's as required to build additional servers, or simulate an upgrade of a production server but struggled to get the resulting system to

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 08/07/2013 22:26, Robert Holtzman a écrit : On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Many thanks to all those crapy packagers who think that common people are to

RE: Urgent network help needed

2013-07-09 Thread J.Witvliet
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:33 AM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Urgent network help needed Rick Stevens wrote: Step 2: Reboot

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/09/13 15:48, sguazt wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Cristian Sava cs...@central.ucv.ro mailto:cs...@central.ucv.ro wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 09:48 +0300, Cristian Sava wrote: On installs where iface reported by route command is not the same with ifcfg-iface

Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread J.Witvliet
Hi all, Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope with some issue. My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore? Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it is a technical overkill and only tackles the symptoms. Lately I read a message on

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread James Hogarth
How would I go about having sshd obtaining the port number from SELinux, so that it is not necessary to have configuration in two places ? You don't... That defeats the point and is somewhat backwards in conception. Just as how you'd have to configure iptables to allow the new port to be

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread sguazt
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/09/13 15:48, sguazt wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Cristian Sava cs...@central.ucv.romailto: cs...@central.ucv.ro wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 09:48 +0300, Cristian Sava wrote: On

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Cristian Sava
On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 16:56 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Have you checked /var/log/audit/audit.log for AVC (selinux) entries? No AVC messages, not selinux related bug. It is a networking subsystem problem. C. Sava -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/09/13 18:19, Cristian Sava wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 16:56 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Have you checked /var/log/audit/audit.log for AVC (selinux) entries? No AVC messages, not selinux related bug. It is a networking subsystem problem. Well, I find one thing interesting. Notice

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:58:59 +0200 j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore? Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it is a technical overkill and only tackles the symptoms. My main symptom is the single longest delay during the mostly

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 10:58 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope with some issue. My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore? Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it is a technical overkill and

compatibility glibc in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread Amadeus W.M.
I have a DCP130C Brother printer+scanner that works perfectly under Linux with proprietary drivers supplied by the manufacturer, except that they require older glibc versions, which I can't seem to find in Fedora 19. rpm -Uvh --test brscan2-0.2.5-1.x86_64.rpm brscan-skey-0.2.1-3.x86_64.rpm

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:39 +, Bill Oliver wrote: One security-oriented response to your statement is that you fundamentally never know whether or not you have been compromised. You only know you have not discovered evidence of a compromise. Yet another reason for fresh installs, rather

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:03 +, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting. Or for thread hijacking? (Your message was not in reply to what I wrote, but that's how you posted it...) My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 13:26 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: A poor workman blames his tools. And an idiot thinks there's nothing wrong with broken tools. Some programmers, and users, seriously need to read The Emperor's New Clothes. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686

Anyone know dovecot?

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Horsley
I keep getting this sort of garbage cluttering my logs: dovecot: master: Warning: /ada/denmark is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints: 1 Time(s) I have indeed seen the wiki page mentioned, and even tried what it says, but nothing seems to stick. Any time a filesystem

Re: How to get rid of the clock lock screen

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 12:38 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: But at least my new Asus motherboard has an earth-shattering new improvement that actually makes sense: I've got a couple where I have no clue as to what to press, there's no on-screen prompt. So short of hunting down a manual at a bad

Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Wade Hampton
[snip] While I don't quite understand the rationale behind this new installer (started in F18), the installer itself is a hit-or-miss. Sometimes, after a lot of cursing, I have been successful, later coming back [snip] I concur with the frustration with the new installer. It needs further

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.07.2013 22:58, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: *large* *but* *serious* *if* *and* you have rate-controls *and then* *pretty sure* *really serious* Reindl, Please understand that your use of the English language comes across as

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.07.2013 23:26, schrieb inode0: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: *large* *but* *serious* *ifÜ *and* you have rate-controls *and then* *pretty sure* *really serious* Reindl, Please understand

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.07.2013 23:07, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 07/08/2013 01:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Also, there is no need to send the same mail twice. I do not wish to argue with you further as this is not the first time you have been confronted about your behavior and I doubt it will be the last.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 00:39, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Besides, I don't find it easy at all to set one up because the networking part is extremely difficult. using VMware Workstation it is trivial to get a VM running in it's own NAT network works out of the box

Re: Minor problem with Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 01:58, schrieb Frank McCormick: I installed Fedora 19 recently but wasn't paying attention when setting up the username portion of the installation. As a result I had an abbreviated form of my full name as a user name. So I used the system utility to change is to my

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 02:46, schrieb lee: well, here you have to make a choice as often in life * learn to deal with the networking part is extremely difficult * take money in your hand and avoid this part None of these would solve the problem because I cannot clone my system. None of these are

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 07:13, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 09.07.2013 02:46, schrieb lee: well, here you have to make a choice as often in life * learn to deal with the networking part is extremely difficult * take money in your hand and avoid this part None of

Re: Anyone know dovecot?

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 13:52, schrieb Tom Horsley: I keep getting this sort of garbage cluttering my logs: dovecot: master: Warning: /ada/denmark is no longer mounted. See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints: 1 Time(s) I have indeed seen the wiki page mentioned, and even tried what it says, but

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 10:58, schrieb j.witvl...@mindef.nl: Hi all, Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope with some issue. My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore? Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it is a technical overkill

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the list and additionally in CC to

Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:07:30 -0400 Wade Hampton wrote: I finally just increased the size of the VM to 10G, took the default gnome desktop option, and let it run. I'll have to manually install the development packages I need. With the new wonderful package selection non-choices, I've pretty

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote: Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix. Why selinux is not complaining with an AVC? I do not know the answer to that. I'll see if I can figure it out, and if not file a bugzilla. Welcome. Ed -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is

Re: Touchpad is not working anymore

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 15:16 -0500, Diego Vargas wrote: No, what I've updated on Windows is the chipset. Which (supposedly) only makes Windows to recognize parts of the hardware, like the LAN card, the WiFi card and so forth. What I meant by exactly what you did, so someone else may be able to

Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:23:07 Tom Horsley wrote: With the new wonderful package selection non-choices, I've pretty much decided the best way to go is to pick the minimal install to get out of anaconda as soon as possible and then use yum to install what I really need. When I did a Net

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Timothy Murphy
Gary Stainburn wrote: I did my laptop F18 - F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was longer than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the only input required was the reboot. Is this the whole kaboosh, or the bit after re-booting? It's the bit after re-booting (several

SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Dwiggins
I did a test install of Fedora 19 on a spare machine and discovered that MySQL is no longer part of the Distro being replaced by MariaDB. Has anyone tried to run WordPress in conjunction with MariaDB and if so any problems. Thanks Mike D. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:27:09 Timothy Murphy wrote: Gary Stainburn wrote: I did my laptop F18 - F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was longer than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the only input required was the reboot. Is this the whole kaboosh, or the bit

Re: compatibility glibc in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/09/2013 01:35 PM, Amadeus W.M. wrote: I have a DCP130C Brother printer+scanner that works perfectly under Linux with proprietary drivers supplied by the manufacturer, except that they require older glibc versions, which I can't seem to find in Fedora 19. rpm -Uvh --test

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/09/2013 07:38 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: I did a test install of Fedora 19 on a spare machine and discovered that MySQL is no longer part of the Distro being replaced by MariaDB. Has anyone tried to run WordPress in conjunction with MariaDB and if so any problems. Thanks Mike D.

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Mike Dwiggins m...@azdwiggins.com wrote: I did a test install of Fedora 19 on a spare machine and discovered that MySQL is no longer part of the Distro being replaced by MariaDB. You can download and run MySQL Community Edition too

Re: [389-users] 389 directory server crash

2013-07-09 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/09/2013 06:43 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: Hi! We are having problems with some our 389-DS instances. They crash after receiving an update from the provider. After looking at the stack trace, I think this is https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47391 The crash happened twice after about

Re: Touchpad is not working anymore

2013-07-09 Thread Carlos casep Sepulveda
On 8 July 2013 22:11, Diego Vargas degva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dale, I think is being recognized. Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04f2:b307 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd This is the output of $(grep '' /sys/class/input/event*/device/name) /sys/class/input/event0/device/name:Power Button

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread Amadeus W.M.
This thread has slipped into a security debate, but I certainly didn't mean to start a flame war. For the curious, I'm not doing this to enhance security, and yes, port 23456 was just for illustrative purposes only. That said, I don't think it is too harmful either. There was a rather

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/2013 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote: Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix. Why selinux is not complaining with an AVC? I do not know the answer to that. I'll see if I can figure it out, and if

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/09/13 21:51, Daniel J Walsh wrote: On 07/09/2013 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote: Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix. Why selinux is not complaining with an AVC? I do not know the answer to that. I'll see if I can figure it out, and if

PulseAudio in restricted X environment

2013-07-09 Thread Eric Viseur
Hi, I'm currently working on a virtualization project using F18. One of the use cases is booting on the multi-user systemd target, then starting the Spice client in a very restricted X environment by simply issuing *$ xinit /usr/bin/spicec (some parameters)* Everything works fine, except the

Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/09/13 22:00, Ed Greshko wrote: Heading over to bugzilla now. This appears to be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=975695 The same error message noted in this thread are in the bugzilla. I think there is no need create a new one. -- The only thing worse than a poorly

Re: PulseAudio in restricted X environment

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 16:01, schrieb Eric Viseur: I'm currently working on a virtualization project using F18. One of the use cases is booting on the multi-user systemd target, then starting the Spice client in a very restricted X environment by simply issuing /$ xinit /usr/bin/spicec (some

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain

looking for xv.

2013-07-09 Thread William Mattison
(Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops) On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool xv which I used quite often to colorize raw weather satellite images.  It made doing that very easy, especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the red, green, and blue intensities independently

Re: looking for xv.

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/09/13 22:35, William Mattison wrote: (Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops) On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool xv which I used quite often to colorize raw weather satellite images. It made doing that very easy, especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread inode0
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: it does not matter because on this list you are even

Re: PulseAudio in restricted X environment

2013-07-09 Thread Eric Viseur
Sadly the daemon refuses to start. When started from console without the log-level=0, the daemon seems to start, but I still can't get any sound out of the box. Eric Viseur 2013/7/9 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 09.07.2013 16:01, schrieb Eric Viseur: I'm currently working on a

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread James Hogarth
No change, except from the FUD... Which in of itself FUD... Read the feature proposal or the release notes... To install the oracle community mysql from the fedora repos use the package name community-mysql but I would recommend following the 'default' mysql of mariadb... The change was not

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread James Hogarth
For the curious, I'm not doing this to enhance security, and yes, port 23456 was just for illustrative purposes only. That said, I don't think it is too harmful either. Indeed for various reasons my daemon runs on 443 There was a rather detailed reply explaining the difference between

Re: looking for xv.

2013-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 07:35:21AM -0700, William Mattison wrote: On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool xv which I used quite often to colorize raw weather satellite images.  It made doing that very easy, especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the red, green,

yum groups

2013-07-09 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - ES
After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message: yum group list Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit There is no installed groups file. Available environment groups: GNOME Desktop KDE Plasma

Re: yum groups

2013-07-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/09/2013 05:27 PM, Pittigher, Raymond - ES wrote: After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message: yum group list Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit There is no installed groups file.

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
Wow! well this is great news for me, as I was holding off upgrading for fear of something going wrong. And bear in mind I have a full backup of my system, it's just that I have scarce time to babysit a full restore...but I guess I'll give it an attempt this coming weekend over a cup of Earl Grey!

RE: yum groups

2013-07-09 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - ES
After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message: yum group list Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit There is no installed groups file. Available environment groups: GNOME Desktop

Re: Touchpad is not working anymore

2013-07-09 Thread Diego Vargas
Thanks all for your responses! Dale: What the grep '' /sys/class/input/event*/device/name does is print the name of anything connected to the computer. This is with my usb mouse connected, and obviosly it disappears when it's disconnected. /sys/class/input/event0/device/name:Power Button

Re: Resume problem

2013-07-09 Thread Tanguy Eric
Le 08/07/2013 17:54, D. Hugh Redelmeier a écrit : | From: Tanguy Eric eric.tan...@gmail.com | The problem was in f18 and now also in f19. The pc seems to go fine in | hibernate but when i try to resume it seems to try to resume and after few | seconds reboot normally. I tried to activate the

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Temlakos
On 07/09/2013 08:27 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Gary Stainburn wrote: I did my laptop F18 - F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was longer than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the only input required was the reboot. Is this the whole kaboosh, or the bit after

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Matthew J. Roth
inode0 wrote: As someone who reads most of discussions on this and many other lists I largely share Harald's feeling that a relatively small number of transgressions have clouded our perception of reality and we forget a great many helpful posts. I agree completely. Harald's posts are

Re: Nitrogen

2013-07-09 Thread Frank McCormick
On 07/08/2013 10:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 22:17:07 -0400, Frank McCormick bea...@videotron.ca wrote: My favorite wallpaper setter Nitrogen has been orphanedso it's unavailable from the repositories. I run IceWm sometimes...and switch backgrounds quite

OT: Fedora Freedmedia Canada

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
Hi, Looking for some volunteers for Freemedia in Canada: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia?rd=Distribution/FreeMedia#Join_us -- Regards, Frank When in doubt PANIC! I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: I agree completely. Harald's posts are among the best on this list in terms of their technical content. It's more disruptive that they're out of sequence due to moderation than that his tone can sometimes come across as aggressive. If people don't

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: With regards to your suggestion that would result in 5.6 which is a potential marked change from 5.5 - even more so than mariadb which is why it was kept at 5.5 this release... If you read the relevant threads in

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 01:49 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: I agree completely. Harald's posts are among the best on this list in terms of their technical content. It's more disruptive that they're out of sequence due to moderation than that his tone can

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Frédéric Bron
I've used fedup on 4 very different machines, and it has worked faultlessly. Thanks for reporting. I was afraid of upgrading (F18-F19) and would have waited months. After your message, I did it and it worked perfectly well: 1. I downloaded the DVD iso: Fedora-19-x86_64-DVD.iso 2. fedup --iso

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 02:17 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote: I've used fedup on 4 very different machines, and it has worked faultlessly. Thanks for reporting. I was afraid of upgrading (F18-F19) and would have waited months. After your message, I did it and it worked perfectly well: 1. I downloaded the DVD

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 09/07/13 20:11, Fernando Cassia wrote: And no, I won't engage in a flame war, so I'll stop this here. No you won't you just start it. -- Erik Concordia parvæ res crescunt discordia maximæ dilabuntur -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/09/2013 11:19 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/09/2013 01:23 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 09/07/13 20:11, Fernando Cassia wrote: And no, I won't engage in a flame war, so I'll stop this here. No you won't you just start it. But, to get back to the OP's question -- which didn't seem to get much on-topic love -- no, there's no

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Stephen Berg (Contractor)
I had one good and two not so good experiences. At home going from 18 to 19 went real smooth, no issues. At work one 17 to 19 and one 18 to 19 both had issues that I eventually muddled my way through. Both of those were likely due to my use of a locally hosted mirror of the various repos.

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 10:58 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope with some issue. My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore? Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it is a technical

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Frédéric Bron
So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice. Frédéric -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Frédéric Bron
What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't installed? Don't know that. Sorry. Frédéric -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice. Frédéric But if it's an

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Temlakos
On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/09/2013 12:08 PM, Temlakos wrote: It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed. That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network. Oh, good. I remember that the last time I used the old

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Temlakos
On 07/09/2013 03:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/09/2013 12:08 PM, Temlakos wrote: It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed. That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network. Oh, good. I

Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Patrick Lists
On 07/09/2013 08:11 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: With regards to your suggestion that would result in 5.6 which is a potential marked change from 5.5 - even more so than mariadb which is why it was kept at 5.5 this

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/09/2013 12:25 PM, Temlakos wrote: Maybe you still haven't used fedup yet. No. There were so many horror stories about going from F17 to 18, either by fedup or fresh install that I've kept to 17. Now, I'm seeing very few threads about failed upgrades to 19 so I'm going to upgrade my

[OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident

2013-07-09 Thread staticsafe
http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/ May he rest in peace. -- staticsafe O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post. Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Killian
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:46:58 +0200, frederic.b...@m4x.org wrote: What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't installed? Don't know that. Sorry. Frédéric I fedup'd (18-19) a system with only mate installed and it worked perfectly. -- users mailing list

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 02:27 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 10:58 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope with some issue. My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore? Even though such trick might take away the

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 02:45 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice. Frédéric Oh!ok...cool!

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 02:46 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote: What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't installed? Don't know that. Sorry. Frédéric Doesn't it kind of put it there?...as a default?...or will it configure some sort of interface so that you can install it?

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 03:08 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like XFCE?...or MATE?... no,

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Temlakos
On 07/09/2013 05:04 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 07/09/2013 03:08 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different session and have it automatically be there

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 04:29 PM, staticsafe wrote: http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/ May he rest in peace. Deepest condolences to his family! God bless them all! EGO II -- users mailing list

Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/09/2013 05:06 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 07/09/2013 05:04 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 07/09/2013 03:08 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote: So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different

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