Re: [SOGo] Meetingrequest via CalDav results in duplicate appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello Michael,

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 01:07:37PM +0200 you wrote:

> Attached you can find the requested files. I created the invitation request 
> from Evolution
> via Caldav and replyed from Android synced via ActiveSync.
> Should I additionally file a bug at https://sogo.nu/bugs ?

please do that.
It't that the peaple beحing SOGo gets aware that there are many
problems using SOGo in a mixed environment (active sync / CalDAV).

We are using Outlook 2013 (active sync) and Thunderbird (CalDAV)
facing a lot of problems when it comes to repeating events with
exceptions.


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Re: [SOGo] Recurrence Excpetions

[Ralf Cirksena]

Am 13.04.2018 um 14:24 schrieb Sascha Kasch (sascha.ka...@sumcumo.com):
> Hi List,
> 
> we have some people creating a event series and due to unplanned other
> events that overlap with one or two events of this series (i am talking
> about events in a resource)
> they started to delete one or two events from the series to allow others
> in this slot.
> because i started observing "[ERROR]
> <0x55ddf8941b30[SOGoAppointmentFolder]:personal> missing exception
> record for recurrence-id 2018-04-16 08:30:00 +"
> i just wanted to know if this handling is problematic or how to make it
> correct to avoid this kind of error?

Handling of exceptions of a rercurring event ist generally problematic
with SOGo 3.x. We are using Thunderbird clients (CalDAV) and Outlook
clients (ActiveSync). It's a nightmare.


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Re: [SOGo] Upcoming SOGo v4 release

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Hello,

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 08:52:25AM -0500 you wrote:

> Early next week, we'll release SOGo v4. We've been working hard on this
> release for many months. Among some of important features of SOGo v4, there
> are:
> 
> 1. full S/MIME support for signing and encryption
> 2. complete rework of the handling of recurrence exceptions
> 3. performance optimizations of the Web GUI by creating AngularJS
>components
> 4. many Enterprise ActiveSync improvements
> 
> We also made a gazillion of bug fixes and improvements.

It was time to solve the problems with recurring events and ActiveSync.

A better communication would have been necessary. In my perception
there has not been a statement like "we know that there are problems
with ActiveSync and exceptions of recurring events. Please be patient,
we are working on it".

Just my $0.02.

Meanwhile: Hopefully you solved it, thank you for your work.


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Re: [SOGo] Store Sent Mail Addresses in Address Book

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Hello,

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 01:07:51PM +0200 you wrote:

> Yes, check "Preferences" -> "E-Mail" -> "When sending mail, add unknown
> recipients to my" option.

thank you, it works.


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Re: [SOGo] Store Sent Mail Addresses in Address Book

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 01:07:51PM +0200 you wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Am 29.08.2017 um 08:10 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > Hello Francis,
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 09:49:25AM -0400 you wrote:
> > 
> >> SOGo has this feature, you just need to enable it for your domain:
> >>
> >> SOGoMailAddOutgoingAddresses = YES;
> >>
> >> I just improved the documentation regarding this feature¹.
> >>
> >> [1] 
> >> https://github.com/inverse-inc/sogo/commit/ccf9ceb7294c40a114421578d597cf999d2b3294
> > 
> > great feature. Is it possible on a per-user-base? I think it's not
> > desired in every environment that outgoing addresses are stored in one
> > common address book.
> > 
> 
> Yes, check "Preferences" -> "E-Mail" -> "When sending mail, add unknown
> recipients to my" option.

any hints how I can get it synced with Thunderbird?
I don't see the address book I created for collected addresses in
Thunderbird. Trying to subscribe just offers address books of other
users.

The usual "personal address book" is visable and gets synced with SOGo
web interface.


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Re: [SOGo] Store Sent Mail Addresses in Address Book

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello Francis,

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 09:49:25AM -0400 you wrote:

> SOGo has this feature, you just need to enable it for your domain:
> 
> SOGoMailAddOutgoingAddresses = YES;
> 
> I just improved the documentation regarding this feature¹.
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/inverse-inc/sogo/commit/ccf9ceb7294c40a114421578d597cf999d2b3294

great feature. Is it possible on a per-user-base? I think it's not
desired in every environment that outgoing addresses are stored in one
common address book.


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Re: [SOGo] user removal

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Hello,

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:04:57AM +0200 you wrote:

> Removing all Data in SOGo:
> /usr/sbin/sogo-tool remove ${user}
> 
> Then remove all Data in your IMAP server, including SIEVE rules.
> 
> Then remove the user from your authentication source (or set him/her
> invalid).

that's how we are doing that 'til now.

> Beware:
> This will not clean this user from invitation lists of other users
> events nor privileges given to the user on mail folders, calendars or
> address books.

That's the annoying part. The user who left the organization may have
organized events. Unfortunately deleting or changing these events
requires admin permissions.

@Inverse

Feature request:
Option to globally change event organisators (and participants?) from
user1 to user2.

> Because of that we keep uids unique and don't reuse them.

We're doing the same -- for the same reasons.

Thank you for your help.


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[SOGo] user removal

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

what's the recommeded way to remove all data (account, event
participation, own events...) of a paricular user?


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Re: [SOGo] Outlook: Mail folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 12:41:56PM +0200 you wrote:

> Yes, I had to click on every such created folder to let Outlook synchronize
> it to the IMAP server.
> 
> This seems to be standard behaviour for Outlook.

Did not help in this case. I'll keep an eye on that.


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[SOGo] Outlook: Mail folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we noticed that mail folders created from Outlook GUI do not find
their way into SOGo server's mail folders. It works below INBOX, but
does'nt below another user created folder.

Cause I'm thinking I'm doing something wrong, where should I begin my
search for the reason?


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Re: [SOGo] Web: Unable to save settings

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Cédric,

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:10:51AM +0200 you wrote:

> Clear your browser cache. I met this issue, for me the save button was
> disabled.

o.k, I thried it with a different not otherwise used browser (Chrome).
After clearing ALL browser data it works without error message.

After logout and login the error message reappeared -- until I deleted
the browser data again. Weired...


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Re: [SOGo] Web: Unable to save settings

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 02:12:01PM +0200 you wrote:

> one difference between our installations is the fact that our
> installation is based on postgresql while yours seems to be based on
> mysql. are there any hints in the mysql logs?

nothing in the logs, mysql error log is empty.


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Re: [SOGo] Web: Unable to save settings

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 10:12:27AM +0200 you wrote:

> Am 06.07.2017 um 15:23 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > Hello,
> > 
> > today we updated SOGo from 3.2.9 to 3.2.10. Now $USER cannot save
> > preferences. Error message: "Service temporarily unavailable".
> >  
> 
> Please check, that you also have upgraded your sope packages.


Start-Date: 2017-07-06  12:12:07
Commandline: apt-get upgrade
Upgrade: sope4.9-libxmlsaxdriver:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 
4.9.r1664.20170705), sope4.9-dbg:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 
4.9.r1664.20170705), sope4.9-stxsaxdriver:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 
4.9.r1664.20170705), sogo:amd64 (3.2.9-1, 3.2.10-1), libsope-xml4.9:amd64 
(4.9.r1664.20170509, 4.9.r1664.20170705), libsbjson2.3:amd64 
(4.9.r1664.20170509, 4.9.r1664.20170705), libsope-appserver4.9:amd64 
(4.9.r1664.20170509, 4.9.r1664.20170705), sogo-activesync:amd64 (3.2.9-1, 
3.2.10-1), libsope-mime4.9:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 4.9.r1664.20170705), 
sope4.9-gdl1-mysql:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 4.9.r1664.20170705), 
libsope-ldap4.9:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 4.9.r1664.20170705), sogo-dbg:amd64 
(3.2.9-1, 3.2.10-1), libsope-gdl1-4.9:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 
4.9.r1664.20170705), libsope-core4.9:amd64 (4.9.r1664.20170509, 
4.9.r1664.20170705) 
End-Date: 2017-07-06  12:14:31


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[SOGo] Web: Unable to save settings

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

today we updated SOGo from 3.2.9 to 3.2.10. Now $USER cannot save
preferences. Error message: "Service temporarily unavailable".
 

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[SOGo] free busy information

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

if a MS-Outlook user subscribes an other user's calendar from the web
interface the setting "include in free/busy" is preselected.
That's what the users here don't expect. Events in a subscribed
calendar keeps blocking available time slots in the user's calender
who subscribed it.

Is there a way to change this from "opt out" to "opt in"? E.g. it's
unset when subscribing the calendar?

How can we reset the option in all user's subscriptions (batch,
script, whatever)? 

Btw: What *exactly* is the intended effect of "include in free/busy"?


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Re: [SOGo] reminders and ActiveSync

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 09:18:49AM +0200 you wrote:

> On 02/28/2017 04:03 PM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 05:26:07PM +0100 you wrote:
> > 
> >> Not sure this works with Outlook via ActiveSync, but you can disable
> >> reminders per calendar in its settings in the webinterface.
> > 
> > that was the first setting we tried. Unfortunatly without success.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> 
> We have the same issue. did you find any solution?

Update to 3.2.9 seems to fix it.


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Re: [SOGo] Secretary with SOGo

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 08:20:48PM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2017-05-08 4:40 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42:31AM +0200 you wrote:
> >
> >>we have, let's say, a challenge in operation as secretary.
> >>
> >>Situation: user1 is assistant of user2.
> >>user1 has full permissions for user2's calendars.
> >>user1 uses Thunderbird, user2 uses Outlook 2013.
> >>
> >>user1 adds and changes events in behalf of user2 (as her secretary).
> >>In some events user1 is also participant, in some events that's not
> >>the case.
> >>
> >>How can we cover these user cases with SOGo? What's the recommended
> >>way?
> >anything new on this topic? Shall we open a bug report?
> Outlook 2013 over ActiveSync?

Yes. But see above, user1 uses Thunderbird, user2 uses Outlook 2013
(over ActiveSync).


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Re: [SOGo] cleanup database

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 08:19:07PM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2017-05-09 2:23 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >how do I remove entries of no longer existing users from SOGo?
> Have a look at 'sogo-tool truncate-calendar'.

'sogo-tool truncate-calendar' needs a folderID. Where can I find it?

Generally the question is, how do we clean up the database if a user
leaves the company.


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[SOGo] cleanup database

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi,

how do I remove entries of no longer existing users from SOGo?

sogo-tool remove  does not work. At least not completly.
There are still entries where  is organizer.

I.e. a few hundreds in sogo_quick_appointment and sogo_store.


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Re: [SOGo] Secretary with SOGo

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42:31AM +0200 you wrote:

> we have, let's say, a challenge in operation as secretary.
> 
> Situation: user1 is assistant of user2.
> user1 has full permissions for user2's calendars.
> user1 uses Thunderbird, user2 uses Outlook 2013.
> 
> user1 adds and changes events in behalf of user2 (as her secretary). 
> In some events user1 is also participant, in some events that's not
> the case.
> 
> How can we cover these user cases with SOGo? What's the recommended
> way?

anything new on this topic? Shall we open a bug report?


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Re: [SOGo] Secretary with SOGo

[Ralf Cirksena]

Marc,

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 04:58:44PM +0200 you wrote:

> the event cached in lightning and the event on the server are out of sync.
> Sync the calendar and the message should be gone.

That has been my fist assumption. But the message reappears, whatever I
select (transfer or abrandon and update from server).

If it's important: We are using SOGo 3.2.7.


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Re: [SOGo] Secretary with SOGo

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:17:19PM +0200 you wrote:

> If the calendars are owned by user2, then user2's email address etc.
> will be used for external invitations, and user2 will be the default
> attendee. user1 needs to add themself to the event if they attend.

If I got it right user1 has to use user2's calendar to add events on
behalf of user2? 

> What other behaviour do you need on top of that?

We just tried it:
user1 added an event into user2's calendar --> saved.
The event is added to user2's calender -- good.
user2 is shown as organisator, there are no more attendees. o.k.
It's not visable that user1 did the planning. Not what we expected. 

We thought that user2 is the only attendee and user1 is organisator.

If user1 later tries to add herself to the event the change of the
event on the server is denied ("The entry as been changed on the
server recently. Transfer of the changes will overwrite the changes
made on the server". I hope I managed to translate the german error
message back to English). It's not possible to change the event
accordingly.

It seems to be impossible that user1 add herself to this event. If she
does in Thunderbird, before saving the entry user1 is organisator and
has added her successfully as attendee. Afer saving the event user1
disappears as attendee and user2 becomes organizer. 

Goal is:
user1 adds events on behalf of user2 and can optionally add herself as
attendee. 


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[SOGo] Secretary with SOGo

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we have, let's say, a challenge in operation as secretary.

Situation: user1 is assistant of user2.
user1 has full permissions for user2's calendars.
user1 uses Thunderbird, user2 uses Outlook 2013.

user1 adds and changes events in behalf of user2 (as her secretary). 
In some events user1 is also participant, in some events that's not
the case.

How can we cover these user cases with SOGo? What's the recommended
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Re: [SOGo] NoMoreConnections

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 01:37:37PM +0200 you wrote:

> That is an error message from your MySQL database.
> You did open too many connections to it.
> Increase the concurrent allowed connections in your MySQL config.
> 
> For sogod you need 2 connections per worker.
> Plus the connections for authentication of SMTP and/or IMAP, if
> configured for that MySQL database too.

meanwhile I found out that there are many connections from our web
proxy in sogo.log. Usage of the proxy is not necessary and not
desired for sogo access.

I checked the proxy settings of Windows: Proxy is set but bypass for
access to local servers too. How can I get sogo/Outlook/Thundebird NOT
to use the proxy?


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Re: [SOGo] NoMoreConnections

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 01:37:37PM +0200 you wrote:

> That is an error message from your MySQL database.
> You did open too many connections to it.
> Increase the concurrent allowed connections in your MySQL config.
> 
> For sogod you need 2 connections per worker.
> Plus the connections for authentication of SMTP and/or IMAP, if
> configured for that MySQL database too.

Ah, thank you. That's the same reason.

I am the guy who opened bug report #4083:
https://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=4083


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[SOGo] NoMoreConnections

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

after updating SOGo to 3.2.8 we get this message in sogo.log:

2017-03-27 11:18:32.047 sogod[10124] EXCEPTION: 
 NAME:NoMoreConnections 
REASON:cannot open a additional connection !  INFO:(null)

What's that? Number of workers (60) is high enough to handle our
Outlook users (about 20).


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Re: [SOGo] A few questions about Calendars

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 06:01:33PM +0100 Christian Mack wrote:

> SOGo 2.3.20 has a new sogo-tool option:
> sogo-tool manage-acl
> 
> This will come in the next version 3 too.

it seems to be available in 3.2.7:

sogo-tool manage-acl
manage-acl get|add|remove owner folder user 
 

 
   getget ACL information of folder for user
 
   addadd ACL information of folder for user
 
   remove remove all ACL information of folder for user 
 
   owner  the user owning the folder
 
   folder the folder - Calendar/ or Contacst/   
 
   user   the user to get/set rights for - 'ALL', '', 
'anony
   rights rights to add 
 

 
Example:   sogo-tool manage-acl get jdoe Calendar/personal  
 

 
Note:  You can add only one access right at the time. To set them all at 
once
   invoke 'remove' first to remove them all. 


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Re: [SOGo] a lot of database connections

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 09:50:34AM +0100 you wrote:

> how can I reduce the number of open database connections to mysqld?
> What does it depend on?

Meanwhile I had to open a bug report, since it's impossible to use our
SOGo server in this situation: https://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=4083


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Re: [SOGo] Outlook on 2 clients

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:28:38AM -0500 you wrote:

> On 2017-03-10 5:47 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >It's a user who has 2 computers with Outlook connected through
> >ActiveSync to sogo 3.2.7.
> >On both PCs he adds/deletes/changes events.
> >Problem is that on both computers different events are missing/remains
> >unchanged. For short: The clients are not really in sync.
> So the same user is using two different Outlook profiles on
> different computers?
> 
> If so, look at if the DeviceID is the same for both. If that's the
> case, it could cause issues.

Did a grep on a sogo.log of a day when both clients were connected
(different IPs).
There is no DeviceID connected through different IPs. There is no IP
with connections using the same DeviceID.

Btw. There are 12 different deviceIDs associated to this user. Most of
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[SOGo] a lot of database connections

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

how can I reduce the number of open database connections to mysqld?
What does it depend on?


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[SOGo] Outlook on 2 clients

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we have serious problems with syncing calendars on Outlook 2013 
clients.

Szenario:
It's a user who has 2 computers with Outlook connected through 
ActiveSync to sogo 3.2.7.
On both PCs he adds/deletes/changes events.
Problem is that on both computers different events are missing/remains
unchanged. For short: The clients are not really in sync.

What to do to get it fixed?


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Re: [SOGo] URGENT: "can't connect to MySQL server on sogo-db"...

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 11:35:30AM -0500 you wrote:

> On 2017-03-01 9:57 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >But the problem that I cannot save events (new or while changing
> >them) from within the web interface remains.
> You mean the save button is disabled? If so, upgrade again to the
> latest nightly build.

Yes, exactly. After updating it's fixed. Thank you.
I did not find something related in recent BTS activities.  


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Re: [SOGo] URGENT: "can't connect to MySQL server on sogo-db"...

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 02:21:03PM +0100 you wrote:

> Am 01.03.2017 um 13:28 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 12:11:35PM +0100 I wrote:
> > 
> >> we have a serious problem with database connection. Events cannot be
> >> stored. From the logs:
> >>
> >> Mar 01 12:04:30 sogod [31801]: [ERROR] 
> >> <0x7fb1c8daef00[SOGoAppointmentFolders]:Calendar> a database error 
> >> occured: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'sogo-db' (111)
> >> Mar 01 12:04:30 sogod [31801]: 
> >> <0x7fb1c8e7d960[SOGoCacheGCSObject]:69D0A7B538974937AC6B42382E34C614> an 
> >> exception occurred when executing query 'SELECT * FROM sogo_cache_folder 
> >> WHERE c_path = '/69D0A7B538974937A
> >> C6B42382E34C614' AND c_uid = '''
> >>
> >> What happened? What can I do to fix it?
> > 
> > Calender entries are not writable from the web interface. From
> > Thunderbird or Outlook it works (mostly). From time to time
> > Thunderbird complains:
> > 
> > "Status-Code: 2147746065, Die Anfrage kann nicht verarbeitet werden.
> > Server Replied with 503"
> > 
> > Translated:
> > "Status-Code: 2147746065, The request can not be processed.
> > Server Replied with 503"
> > 
> 
> Can you connect to your mysql server on sogo-db?
> If yes, check your mysql logs.

As I wrote in my other mail there was in fact a problem with open
database connections. 

But the problem that I cannot save events (new or while changing
them) from within the web interface remains.


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Re: [SOGo] URGENT: "can't connect to MySQL server on sogo-db"...

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 01:35:14PM +0100 you wrote:

> Seems that the connection to your MySQL Database does not work (not a
> SOGo issue). Pls check if your database Server is up and MySQL is
> reachable.

Meanwhile I found out that max # of connections of the mysql server
exhausted. SOGo processes requested more than 150 database
connections. I increased the limit to 250 (never had to do that in the
last 10 years of working with MySQL). During the last few hours we did
not see more than about 60 open connections. Will keep an eye on that.


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Re: [SOGo] URGENT: "can't connect to MySQL server on sogo-db"...

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 12:11:35PM +0100 I wrote:

> we have a serious problem with database connection. Events cannot be
> stored. From the logs:
> 
> Mar 01 12:04:30 sogod [31801]: [ERROR] 
> <0x7fb1c8daef00[SOGoAppointmentFolders]:Calendar> a database error occured: 
> Can't connect to MySQL server on 'sogo-db' (111)
> Mar 01 12:04:30 sogod [31801]: 
> <0x7fb1c8e7d960[SOGoCacheGCSObject]:69D0A7B538974937AC6B42382E34C614> an 
> exception occurred when executing query 'SELECT * FROM sogo_cache_folder 
> WHERE c_path = '/69D0A7B538974937A
> C6B42382E34C614' AND c_uid = '''
> 
> What happened? What can I do to fix it?

Calender entries are not writable from the web interface. From
Thunderbird or Outlook it works (mostly). From time to time
Thunderbird complains:

"Status-Code: 2147746065, Die Anfrage kann nicht verarbeitet werden.
Server Replied with 503"

Translated:
"Status-Code: 2147746065, The request can not be processed.
Server Replied with 503"


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[SOGo] URGENT: "can't connect to MySQL server on sogo-db"...

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we have a serious problem with database connection. Events cannot be
stored. From the logs:

Mar 01 12:04:30 sogod [31801]: [ERROR] 
<0x7fb1c8daef00[SOGoAppointmentFolders]:Calendar> a database error occured: 
Can't connect to MySQL server on 'sogo-db' (111)
Mar 01 12:04:30 sogod [31801]: 
<0x7fb1c8e7d960[SOGoCacheGCSObject]:69D0A7B538974937AC6B42382E34C614> an 
exception occurred when executing query 'SELECT * FROM sogo_cache_folder WHERE 
c_path = '/69D0A7B538974937A
C6B42382E34C614' AND c_uid = '''

What happened? What can I do to fix it?


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Re: [SOGo] reminders and ActiveSync

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Hello,

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 05:26:07PM +0100 you wrote:

> Not sure this works with Outlook via ActiveSync, but you can disable
> reminders per calendar in its settings in the webinterface.

that was the first setting we tried. Unfortunatly without success.


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Re: [SOGo] Can't start, "Default zone has run out of memory"

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Hello,

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:50:09AM +0100 you wrote:

> For a few years I had Sogo 2 running but this week-end I noticed
> Thunderbird wasn't able to retrieve the cardbook. All suddenly, I
> don't remember any relevant change on the server.
> 
> Sogo daemon is not running anymore. In /var/log/sogo/sogo.log I get
> this : "/usr/sbin/sogod: Uncaught exception NSMallocException,
> reason: Default zone has run out of memory". But a few lines above I
> read "vmem size check enabled: shutting down app when vmem > 384 MB.
> Currently at 175 MB" so it seems good. I also tried to increase
> SxVMemLimit just in case and the result is the same as soon I try to
> start the daemon.
> 
> Does it relates to GNUstep ?
> The only clue I have is that the virtual host RAM was reduced from 2
> to 1 GB lately before the issue occurs. But now I switched back to 2
> GB.
> The "free" command says >1 GB available free RAM.

perhaps ulimit of user sogo? Or prlimit set somewhere?


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[SOGo] reminders and ActiveSync

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we are using SOGo (3.2.7) with Outlook 2013 as client connected by
ActiveSync.

Users are using the web interface of SOGo to subscribe other
calendars with "settings --> synchronize (Microsoft Enterprise ActiveSync)"

They are complaining about receiving reminders from subscribed
calendars. How can we avoid receiving those reminders, but still
maintaining getting reminders by the user's calendar?

Might be not a SOGo problem but I suppose a lot of subcribers are
using SOGo with Outlook ActiveSync. Therefore I hope to get help with
this.

Thank you in advance.


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Re: [SOGo] end user passwd change in /SOGo

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Christoph,

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 03:51:27PM +0100 you wrote:

> haven't checked that, but when not using User binding but giving a bind dn, 
> probably the bind User is used for this action. Probably you can check that 
> in the AD logs.
> Also, you can probably give the user only the right to modify the 
> userPassword attribute - at least in openldap that's possible.

we are looking for a password change machanism for openldap. Can you
please share your knowledge re. this?

It's not strictly related to SOGo. Therefore you may reply by personal
email.

Thank you.


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Re: [SOGo] Alarm notify - repeating events

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On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 03:09:45PM +0100 you wrote:

> What I also observed was that the reminder with the default cron job (every 
> minute) was send six times, because the tool uses a 5 minute window (seen it 
> in the source code). I now changed to cron job to run every 6 mins at that is 
> fine now. However, it???s a kind of weird.

What do you do with arlarms set to 3..5 minutes prior to the event? I
guess you may miss a few alarms.


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Re: [SOGo] is postfix/dovecot/SOGo reliable with Outlook 2010 and 2013?

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 03:50:47PM +0100 you wrote:

> Thank you for your reply and informations. What are the problems? Are the 
> emails synchroniced via ActiveSync or only the Calendards and Contacts? I 
> plan to setup a test environment with one server and one client. Do you think 
> i will see the problems or will they occure only rarely or when sharing 
> data between different accounts?

We never noticed any problems with email synchronization. 

Contacts are not tested well here as contacts are managed by a
commercial CRM.
We have had problems with events where participiants are mixed Outlook
and Thunderbird clients. Thunderbird sync works as expected but
Outlook had a bunch of problems:

* Events disappeared after confirming the invitation.
* Resources did not confirm automatically in a reliable way.
* The participation state are not fully visable to the organisator of
  events.

You may imagine that this way SOGo does not work as an enterprise
calendar.

SOGo development (Ludowic Marcotte) did work hard on solving these
issues. With nightly ...3.2.5.20170118-1 he made a huge step forward.
Our somewhat complex test scanario worked without errors.

Let's hope (let's assume) that it's solved now and SOGo serves as
reliable calendar backend for as well Outlook, Thunderbird and other
CalDAV clients out there.


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Re: [SOGo] is postfix/dovecot/SOGo reliable with Outlook 2010 and 2013?

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello Mario,

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 05:04:52PM +0100 you wrote:

> I support a few small organisations. They are using Outlook 2007 on 
> postfix/dovecot (imap). As groupware i installed eGroupware and SOGo. For now 
> it's only used for out of office notes, but this should change. Therefore i 
> planned to use a CalDav/CardDav-Addin for Outlook.
> 
> Unfortunately on newer Outlook versions some problems occured. Emails were 
> lost and Emails are not visible in Outlook although they are visible in the 
> webmail.

we are running dovecot as IMAP server, exim as mail hub and SMTP
server, LDAP as auth storage. 

So far everything works as expected -- with Thunderbird as mail and
calendar client. In a mixed world with Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync),
Thunderbird and SOGo Web Access it's currently pain in the ass.
Inverse is working on it but our users are loosing their patience.

As far as we have found out the problem is Outlook and Microsoft's
loose interpretation of standards. But that does not help us if users
insist on using Outlook.


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Re: [SOGo] Totally disabled E-Mail Notifications

[Ralf Cirksena]

On 12.01.2017 10:33, Carsten Woltmann (carsten.woltm...@basycon.com) wrote:

> in our SOGo configuration, we have set
> /SOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications = NO/ in order to avoid duplicate
> notifications (e.g. from clients using thunderbird, outlook, ...)
> 
> Unfortunately SOGo now refuses to send any notifications at all, even if
> explicitly switched on upon event creation in the web interface.
> Thunderbird does not offer notifications now as well (checkbox is greyed
> out). :-(
> 
> So I am left with essentially two questions:
> 
>  1. (How) can I selectively disable automatic notifications while
> allowing manual override (using the checkbox in the webinterface or
> thunderbird or ...)?
>  2. I have the feeling that this cant be the best solution. Is there a
> better way to properly manage notifications in a mixed-client
> (outlook, thunderbird, android, iOS, SOGo-Webinterface, ...)
> environment without producing duplicates, etc.?

Nice to see that it happens not only in our installation of SOGo.
@Inverse: Please fix that, it's confusing for our users.


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Re: [SOGo] recurring events

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 03:48:01PM +0100 you wrote:

> Could you provide the raw source of that event?

I entered two events, one in Outlook, one in Thunderbird.

As recurring rules I chose:
Every 2nd month on the 4th friday ending on 2017-03-31.

If I open the event entered in Outlook in Thunderbird, I get:
Every 2nd month on each friday, 3 events (without end date).

If I open the event entered in Thunderbird in Outlook, I get:
Every month on the 4th friday ending on 2017-03-31

To get raw data I copied the Thunderbird event to clipboard and
inserted it here. To get raw data from Outlook I forwarded the event
as mail attachment.

Raw data Thunderbird event:

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
PRODID:-//Mozilla.org/NONSGML Mozilla Calendar V1.1//EN
VERSION:2.0
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:Europe/Berlin
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
TZOFFSETFROM:+0100
TZOFFSETTO:+0200
TZNAME:CEST
DTSTART:19700329T02
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=3
END:DAYLIGHT
BEGIN:STANDARD
TZOFFSETFROM:+0200
TZOFFSETTO:+0100
TZNAME:CET
DTSTART:19701025T03
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10
END:STANDARD
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
CREATED:20161123T140058Z
LAST-MODIFIED:20161123T140058Z
DTSTAMP:20161123T140058Z
UID:6cd9d3d5-92de-4fab-8d23-79481dd42de3
SUMMARY:Thunderbird
RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=Europe/Berlin:20161125T083000
DTSTART;TZID=Europe/Berlin:20161125T083000
DTEND;TZID=Europe/Berlin:20161125T09
TRANSP:OPAQUE
DESCRIPTION:every 2nd month on the 4th Friday until 2017-03-31 (Thunderbir
 d)\n
CLASS:CONFIDENTIAL
SEQUENCE:3
X-MOZ-GENERATION:2
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR

Raw data Outlook event:

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 15.0 MIMEDIR//EN
VERSION:2.0
METHOD:REQUEST
X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:W. Europe Standard Time
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:16011028T03
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10
TZOFFSETFROM:+0200
TZOFFSETTO:+0100
END:STANDARD
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:16010325T02
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=3
TZOFFSETFROM:+0100
TZOFFSETTO:+0200
END:DAYLIGHT
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
CLASS:PUBLIC
CREATED:20161123T140607Z
DESCRIPTION:Every 2nd month every 4th Friday until 2017-03-31\n
DTEND;TZID="W. Europe Standard Time":20161125T103000
DTSTAMP:20161123T140607Z
DTSTART;TZID="W. Europe Standard Time":20161125T10
LAST-MODIFIED:20161123T140607Z
ORGANIZER;CN=R.C.:mailto:c...@holmco.de
PRIORITY:5
RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;COUNT=3;INTERVAL=2;BYDAY=FR;BYSETPOS=4
SEQUENCE:0
SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=de:Outlook
TRANSP:TRANSPARENT
UID:04008200E00074C5B7101A82E008C0FEA9949845D201000
01000A482517E94E8A1429D5907035B3F7B22
X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nEvery 2nd month every 4th Friday until 
2017-03
-31\n\n\n
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:FREE
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1
X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE
X-MS-OLK-AUTOFILLLOCATION:TRUE
X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR


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Re: [SOGo] calendar: Assistant functionality

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 04:27:57PM +0100 you wrote:

> No, and that is the most common error made when giving privileges to
> others ;-)
> You have to give modify privileges based on the tree privacy groups
> "public", "confidential" and "private".

Thank you, found it.


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Re: [SOGo] recurring events

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello Christian,

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:57:09PM +0100 you wrote:

> This Problem is not new I first noticed it in the Summer.
> 
> I was 100 % sure its because of my c hangings I made in my system.
> saw nobody else is crying so I said this is my own bug.
> 
> But now that I read your Email I can confirm the Bug.

can you please describe how the bug looks at your site?
If it's the same we should open a bug report?

> On 15.11.2016 13:55, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >we have scheduled an recurring event in MS-Outlook with the pattern:
> >
> >Every 3 months on the 4th tuesday.
> >
> >Thunderbird shows the event as recurring but with "Repeat details
> >unknown". If I enter such an event in Thunderbird it works.
> >
> >Are there problems processing recurring events (with a conplex
> >pattern)?


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Re: [SOGo] calendar: Assistant functionality

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 03:55:14PM +0100 you wrote:

> Am 15.11.2016 um 14:16 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > Hello,
> > 
> > we need a setup covering assistant function for appointment planning.
> > It's one assistant working for three persons (P1, P2, P3).
> > 
> > She/he should be able: 
> > 
> > * to schedule appointments for any of the three persons,
> > 
> > * to schedule appointments for herself.
> > 
> > All in different calendars.
> > 
> > If she enters an appointment for, let's say, P1, the details should
> > look as P1 herself had done that work. Assistant *may* be visable as
> > "assistant" eg. scheduled by  for .
> > 
> > They are using MS-Outlook 2013 connected with ActiveSync and
> > Thunderbird connected with CalDAV. Server is SOGo 3.2.1.
> > 
> > What is nescessary to get that scenario working? I am pretty shure
> > that there must be a way.
> > 
> 
> You have to share the calendars of P1..P3 with modify, delete and add
> privileges to the assistant.

In the web interface only "add" and "delete" are available. Does that
include "modify"?


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Re: [SOGo] recurring events

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 03:48:01PM +0100 you wrote:

> Am 15.11.2016 um 13:55 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > Hello,
> > 
> > we have scheduled an recurring event in MS-Outlook with the pattern:
> > 
> > Every 3 months on the 4th tuesday.
> > 
> > Thunderbird shows the event as recurring but with "Repeat details
> > unknown". If I enter such an event in Thunderbird it works.
> > 
> > Are there problems processing recurring events (with a conplex
> > pattern)?
> > 
> 
> Could you provide the raw source of that event?

I will have a look on that and get the raw data of these events. May
tabe a few days.


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Re: [SOGo] calendar: Assistant functionality

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 03:55:14PM +0100 you wrote:

> Am 15.11.2016 um 14:16 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > Hello,
> > 
> > we need a setup covering assistant function for appointment planning.
> > It's one assistant working for three persons (P1, P2, P3).
> > 
> > She/he should be able: 
> > 
> > * to schedule appointments for any of the three persons,
> > 
> > * to schedule appointments for herself.
> > 
> > All in different calendars.
> > 
> > If she enters an appointment for, let's say, P1, the details should
> > look as P1 herself had done that work. Assistant *may* be visable as
> > "assistant" eg. scheduled by  for .
> > 
> > They are using MS-Outlook 2013 connected with ActiveSync and
> > Thunderbird connected with CalDAV. Server is SOGo 3.2.1.
> > 
> > What is nescessary to get that scenario working? I am pretty shure
> > that there must be a way.
> > 
> 
> You have to share the calendars of P1..P3 with modify, delete and add
> privileges to the assistant.
> Then the assistant only adds those in Thunderbird/Lightning, and uses
> them as he likes.

Wæ did allow rw access for these calendars to the assistant.
I assume that's what you mean with "share".

> For ActiveSync the Assistant has to check the Option "Synchronize" in
> SOGo webinterface on every calendar he wants to see in Outlook.

I'll check that. Thank you.


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[SOGo] calendar: Assistant functionality

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we need a setup covering assistant function for appointment planning.
It's one assistant working for three persons (P1, P2, P3).

She/he should be able: 

* to schedule appointments for any of the three persons,

* to schedule appointments for herself.

All in different calendars.

If she enters an appointment for, let's say, P1, the details should
look as P1 herself had done that work. Assistant *may* be visable as
"assistant" eg. scheduled by  for .

They are using MS-Outlook 2013 connected with ActiveSync and
Thunderbird connected with CalDAV. Server is SOGo 3.2.1.

What is nescessary to get that scenario working? I am pretty shure
that there must be a way.


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[SOGo] recurring events

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we have scheduled an recurring event in MS-Outlook with the pattern:

Every 3 months on the 4th tuesday.

Thunderbird shows the event as recurring but with "Repeat details
unknown". If I enter such an event in Thunderbird it works.

Are there problems processing recurring events (with a conplex
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[SOGo] Calendar: confidential entries?

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we noticed a problem re. visibility of schedules marked
"confidential".
In the web interface everything is o.k., the entry is marked
"confidential" and cannot be opened.

But in Thunderbird (CalDAV) or Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync) the event is
fully visible like "public". The event details within Thunderbird
shows privacy setting as "only show date and time".

What's going wrong here? SOGo 3.2.1.


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Re: [SOGo] double invitations

[Ralf Cirksena]

Good morning Ludovic,

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 07:27:17AM -0400 you wrote:

> This has been fixed in v2.3.17 released yesterday. The change will
> also be part of the upcoming 3.2.1.

great. Thank you for your work.


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[SOGo] double invitations

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

when an Outlook user invites others to an appointment the invitation
is sent twice with slightly different subject.

One mail is interpreted as invitiation, the other is interpreted as
schedule, the subject has a prefix "Invitation: ".
The invitation works as expected.

What's going wrong here?

Outlook is connected with active sync to SOGo 3.2.


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Thomas,

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:40:06PM +0200 you wrote:

> the message [NGImap4Connection]> could not fetch url: 
> imap://r...@mail.holmco.de/Public%2Fshared%2Fname%2Farchiv%2F2005/31 means 
> that sogo failed to read the message with id 31 in folder 
> public/shared/name/archive/2005
> 
> Have checked /var/log/mail.*?
> 
> You can try to read the message via telnet:
> 
> telnet  143
> 1 login  
> 1 select public/shared/name/archive/2005

1 select public/shared/name/archiv/2005
* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Read-only mailbox.
* 100 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UNSEEN 1] First unseen.
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1476862633] UIDs valid
* OK [UIDNEXT 101] Predicted next UID
* OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 2] Highest
x OK [READ-ONLY] Select completed.

> 1 uid fetch 31 rfc822

* 31 FETCH (UID 31 RFC822 {136999}

1 OK Fetch completed.

looks good.


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Thomas,

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 08:50:42AM +0200 you wrote:

> I found the problem with sogo-tool manage-eas. It's because the tool doesn't 
> work with the ???combined??? data model.

O.k., that may be the reason.

> Until the problem with sogo-tool is fixed I suggest we continue with sogo.log 
> SOGoEASDebugEnabled = YES.
> Having a sogo.log with log-message from the first sync of a test-account with 
> just a view mails in the shared-folders
> should give all infos to debug the situation.

We created test user "rko" while SOGoEASDebugEnabled has been set to YES.

Part of sogo.log is attached. For the test delimiter in dovecot.log
has been set to "Public/" The name of the public folder is
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https://inverse.ca/sogo/listsOct 19 09:37:08 sogod [2234]: [ERROR] <0x0x7f614e1d7ba0[NGImap4Connection]> 
could not fetch url: 
imap://r...@mail.holmco.de/Public%2Fshared%2Fname%2Farchiv%2F2005/31
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 1-2
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - first uid added 1
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 2-2
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 3-2
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 4-2
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 5-2
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 6-2
Oct 19 09:36:22 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 7-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 8-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 9-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
10-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
11-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
12-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
13-2
Oct 19 09:36:23 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
14-2
Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
15-2
Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
16-2
Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - Dealing with cacheObject: 
17-2
Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- ADD!  Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2125]: [WARN] 
<0x0x7f614dc01a30[WOWatchDogChild]> pid 2234 has been hanging in the same 
request for 1 minutes
Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 18-2 Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: 
<0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS - ADD!
Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: <0x0x7f614e034e20[SOGoActiveSyncDispatcher]> EAS 
- Dealing with cacheObject: 19-2 Oct 19 09:36:24 sogod [2234]: 
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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Thomas,

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 02:17:04PM +0200 you wrote:

> setMySQL4DebugEnabled = YES; in sogo.conf and report the complete output 
> of:
> 
> sogo-tool -v manage-eas listfolders  

sogo-tool -v manage-eas listfolders ci 511E3A064F144EC399918109C2F50774
<0x0x1122d60[SOGoCache]> Cache cleanup interval set every 300.00 seconds

   
<0x0x1122d60[SOGoCache]> Using host(s) '127.0.0.1' as server(s) 

   
2016-10-17 16:04:58.021 sogo-tool[19590] MySQL4 connection established 
0x0x11878b0 

2016-10-17 16:04:58.022 sogo-tool[19590] MySQL4 channel 0x0x1114cb0 opened 
(connection=0x0x11878b0,sogo)   

2016-10-17 16:04:58.023 sogo-tool[19590]  SQL: SELECT * FROM sogo_cache_folder WHERE c_type = 201 
AND c_deleted <> 1 AND c_uid = '(null)' AND c_path like 
'/511E3A064F144EC399918109C2F50774%';   

 
2016-10-17 16:04:58.023 sogo-tool[19590]query has results, entering fetch-mode.


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Thomas,

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 01:00:51PM +0200 you wrote:

> >What should I expect?
> The command sogo-tool -v manage-eas  listfolders  USERID
> 80E5C294847E4A5C92B45A2DE9514008
> shows folder related data for ALL folders which are cached by EAS:
> 
> [..]
> Folder Key:
> 80E5C294847E4A5C92B45A2DE9514008+folderb041fc102feae255ed2c4efb9b64
>Folder Name: INBOX
> 
>metadata Name: {DateCache = {597 = "2016-10-13 22:35:43 +0200"; };
> FolderOptions = {BodyPreferenceType = 4; FilterType = 5; MIMESupport = 2;
> MIMETruncation = 8; }; SyncCache = {597 = 279; }; SyncKey = "599-296";
> displayName = INBOX; }
> 
> Folder Key:
> 80E5C294847E4A5C92B45A2DE9514008+folderb4ed12342789fe57f10db47b4f0c
>Folder Name: public/TestFolder1/abc1
> 
>metadata Name: {DateCache = {}; FolderOptions = {BodyPreferenceType = 4;
> FilterType = 5; MIMESupport = 2; MIMETruncation = 8; }; SyncCache = {};
> SyncKey = "1-1"; displayName = "public/TestFolder1/abc1"; }
> [..]

there is nothing like that displayed.

Perhaps dovecot configuration is problem?
The relevant parts from dovecot.conf are:

| namespace public {
|   prefix = "Public/"
|   location = 
maildir:/var/dovecot/shared_maildir:CONTROL=/var/dovecot/shared_control/%u:INDEX=/var/dovecot/shared_index/%u
|   inbox = no
|   list = no
| }

> The non-hierarchical view you describe is caused by the fact that not all
> folders are real folders. In that case EAS
> displays them like 
> 
> public/fld1/fld2/fld3
> 
> If you want to see them hierarchical you have to share also the intermediate
> folders:
> 
> Public/fld1
> Public/fld1/fld2
> Public/fld1/fld2/fld3

I'll do that as soon as I see the cached folders. 
How do I config folder caching in Active Sync? Perhaps I missed
something.

> I've some ideas to improve the behavior a bit. Do you compile from source?
> Are you able to test a patch? What sogo version are you using?

In toe moment I cannot test patches. I did not compile from source,
the version is 3.2.0. 

> But, in any case outlook synced via EAS should be able to show the folder
> content and it DOES it for me.
> 
> Could you re-create the account in outlook and show me the response to
> FolderSync logged in sogo.log with
> SOGoEASDebugEnabled = YES.

We are going to try that. I'll report the result.


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Re: [SOGo] public IPAM folders (was: shared IMAP folders)

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:41:18PM +0200 you wrote:

> Just out of curiosity: what's your IMAP server? Dovecot?

dovecot 1.2.15 (still, there are plans to update...).


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Re: [SOGo] public IPAM folders (was: shared IMAP folders)

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

the folders in question are PUBLIC imap folders, not shared.
That may be important. Sorry for the confusion...


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 04:52:49PM +0200 you wrote:

> Another try, check sogo.log for an entry like:
> 
> POST 
> /SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync?Cmd=Sync&User=&DeviceId=80X&DeviceType=WindowsOutlook15
> 
> User= and DeviceId= should be the right parameters for listfolders

tried it, no change.

What should I expect? Should "standard" folders (inbox, sent etc.)
been listed as well?

In the web interface the public archive folders are available without
subscription.


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:53:24PM +0200 you wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:28 CEST, "Ralf Cirksena" (c...@holmco.de) 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Tried it. I don't know how to get the device-id. If I take it out of
> > the log file I get:
> >
> > <0x0x2a94f80[SOGoCache]> Cache cleanup interval set every 300.00 seconds
> > <0x0x2a94f80[SOGoCache]> Using host(s) '127.0.0.1' as server(s)
> >
> > That's not what you requested?
> 
> Another way to show the deviceds is:
> 
> sogo-tool manage-eas listdevices 

Result:

|# sogo-tool -v manage-eas listdevices ci
| <0x0x145e510[SOGoCache]> Cache cleanup interval set every 300.00 seconds
| <0x0x145e510[SOGoCache]> Using host(s) '127.0.0.1' as server(s)

Then:

|# sogo-tool -v manage-eas listfolders ci 0x0x145e510
| <0x0x1558300[SOGoCache]> Cache cleanup interval set every 300.00 seconds
| <0x0x1558300[SOGoCache]> Using host(s) '127.0.0.1' as server(s)


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Thomas,

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 01:45:22PM +0200 you wrote:

> On Monday, October 10, 2016 08:01 CEST, "Ralf Cirksena" (c...@holmco.de) 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > >Meanwhile I can see the folders (but not hirarchical). There are not
> 
> Please post a screenshot to show how folders are currently shown in OL.

see attached png.
The folders are organized hirarchical:

Public
  shared
testlist
  archiv


In sogo web interface they are presented as hirachical folders.

> > > >contents shown. Prefix in dovecot configuration has been "#".
> > > You should see your shared folders just like if it was one of your
> > > own mailbox.
> > > >What would be the best way to provide Outlook users with access to
> > > >shared folders?
> > > Do you see them properly right now in SOGo's web interface?
> >
> > Yes. After changing the prefix in dovecot shared folders are fully
> > accessable from SOGo web interface. The folder hierarchy is maintained
> > too.
> 
> What is you current prefix for shared folders?

Prefix has been "#". To make the folders visable I changed it to
"Public".

But if I use "Public", Outlook seems to hang displaying "waiting for server
response.." (translated from German to English).
Status is displayed as "CONNECTED".

> > accessable from SOGo web interface. The folder hierarchy is maintained
> > too.
> 
> Please show me what EAS knows about the shared folders:
> 
> sogo-tool -v manage-eas listfolders  

Tried it. I don't know how to get the device-id. If I take it out of
the log file I get:

<0x0x2a94f80[SOGoCache]> Cache cleanup interval set every 300.00 seconds
<0x0x2a94f80[SOGoCache]> Using host(s) '127.0.0.1' as server(s)

That's not what you requested?

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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 09:32:54AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-10-07 7:06 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >Am 07.10.2016 um 12:18 schrieb "Daniel Müller" (danielmuell...@gmx.net):
> >
> >>>with actice sync you will never see any shared IMAP-Mailboxes. AS is for
> >>>your INBOX and Calendar.
> That isn't true.

That's great. I hope with some work we will get access to shared
folders from Outlook.

> >Meanwhile I can see the folders (but not hirarchical). There are not
> >contents shown. Prefix in dovecot configuration has been "#".
> You should see your shared folders just like if it was one of your
> own mailbox.
> >What would be the best way to provide Outlook users with access to
> >shared folders?
> Do you see them properly right now in SOGo's web interface?

Yes. After changing the prefix in dovecot shared folders are fully
accessable from SOGo web interface. The folder hierarchy is maintained
too.


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Re: [SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Am 07.10.2016 um 12:18 schrieb "Daniel Müller" (danielmuell...@gmx.net):

> with actice sync you will never see any shared IMAP-Mailboxes. AS is for
> your INBOX and Calendar.

Meanwhile I can see the folders (but not hirarchical). There are not
contents shown. Prefix in dovecot configuration has been "#".

What would be the best way to provide Outlook users with access to
shared folders?


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[SOGo] shared IMAP folders

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we are using SOGo to provide email and calendar functionality to
Clients using Outlook 2013.

The SOGo server uses our central IMAP server. How can we provide users
with our public shared IMAP folders on the central server?

In Outlook (active sync) I don't see the shared mailboxes. 


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Re: [SOGo] Android mail client and caldav

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello, 

with Android I think you need additional software. For calendar synchronization 
I use iCal import/export.

Uwe Koch  schrieb:
>Sorry, I meant caldav, not cardav.
>
>
>El 31/08/16 a las 12:39, Bob Wooldridge ( bob.wooldri...@edm-inc.com)
>escribió: 
>
>> Is there an android mail app that will be able to accept invitations
>and put them on the calendar and then sync with SOGo calendar? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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Re: [SOGo] Permissons on resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:32:05AM +0200 you wrote:

> On 08/23/16 09:10, Christian Mack (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > Am 22.08.2016 um 22:14 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> >>
> >> we are planning some resources (meeting rooms) with SOGo 3.1.5. To 
> >> coordinate
> >> resource usage the resource calendars can be subscribed by our users.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately in Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync) there is no information about
> >> subject and organisator of the schedule planned for the resource. In the 
> >> web
> >> interface and in Thunderbird (CalDAV) all information is visable in the
> >> subscribed resource calendar.
> >>
> >> What is wrong here?
> >>
> > 
> > Has the outlook user the required privileges on that calendar?
> 
> Yes. The same user can see the information if she uses the web interface.

What's wrong with Outlook integration (Active Sync)? Maybe we did
something wrong. But I have no idea where.


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Re: [SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 09:57:09PM +0200 you wrote:

> On 12.08.2016 20:59, Ralf Cirksena wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:50:36AM -0400 you wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2016-08-12 10:02 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> >>
> >>> But CalDAV
> >>> (Thunderbird) just shows the already booked time slots. It is possible
> >>> to overbook the resource.
> >> No it is not. SOGo used to return a 403 for this and that was
> >> ignored by Lightning would store the change locally. Since 3.1.5, we
> >> return a 409 and Lightning shows an error message.
> > 
> > unfortunately it's not working.
> > I updated sogo to 3.1.5. The web interface reports "Conflict", but in
> > Lightning it's possible to enter the schedule without visable error
> > message.
> 
> Any news? Meanwhile we did some tests with Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync). There is
> no warning/error message too.

we still have this problem. Any chance to solve it or narrow down the
reason?


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Re: [SOGo] Permissons on resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

On 08/23/16 09:10, Christian Mack (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Am 22.08.2016 um 22:14 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
>>
>> we are planning some resources (meeting rooms) with SOGo 3.1.5. To coordinate
>> resource usage the resource calendars can be subscribed by our users.
>>
>> Unfortunately in Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync) there is no information about
>> subject and organisator of the schedule planned for the resource. In the web
>> interface and in Thunderbird (CalDAV) all information is visable in the
>> subscribed resource calendar.
>>
>> What is wrong here?
>>
> 
> Has the outlook user the required privileges on that calendar?

Yes. The same user can see the information if she uses the web interface.


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[SOGo] Permissons on resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we are planning some resources (meeting rooms) with SOGo 3.1.5. To coordinate
resource usage the resource calendars can be subscribed by our users.

Unfortunately in Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync) there is no information about
subject and organisator of the schedule planned for the resource. In the web
interface and in Thunderbird (CalDAV) all information is visable in the
subscribed resource calendar.

What is wrong here?


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Re: [SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

On 12.08.2016 20:59, Ralf Cirksena wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:50:36AM -0400 you wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-08-12 10:02 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
>>
>>> But CalDAV
>>> (Thunderbird) just shows the already booked time slots. It is possible
>>> to overbook the resource.
>> No it is not. SOGo used to return a 403 for this and that was
>> ignored by Lightning would store the change locally. Since 3.1.5, we
>> return a 409 and Lightning shows an error message.
> 
> unfortunately it's not working.
> I updated sogo to 3.1.5. The web interface reports "Conflict", but in
> Lightning it's possible to enter the schedule without visable error
> message.

Any news? Meanwhile we did some tests with Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync). There is
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Re: [SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:50:36AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-08-12 10:02 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >But CalDAV
> >(Thunderbird) just shows the already booked time slots. It is possible
> >to overbook the resource.
> No it is not. SOGo used to return a 403 for this and that was
> ignored by Lightning would store the change locally. Since 3.1.5, we
> return a 409 and Lightning shows an error message.

unfortunately it's not working.
I updated sogo to 3.1.5. The web interface reports "Conflict", but in
Lightning it's possible to enter the schedule without visable error
message.

The detailled error message in 3.1.4 has been better help for finding
out, what's wrong.


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Re: [SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:50:36AM -0400 you wrote:

> No it is not. SOGo used to return a 403 for this and that was
> ignored by Lightning would store the change locally. Since 3.1.5, we
> return a 409 and Lightning shows an error message.

Oh great. That's a reason for updating.


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Re: [SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 09:09:16AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-08-12 8:53 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >sure. Here it is (text between <> changed for privacy reasons):
> Your configuration is incomplete. You miss
> MultipleBookingsFieldName, for example. See the doc.

Thank you, it worked. Must have overlooked that in the documentation.
In the web interface I get a clear error message. But CalDAV
(Thunderbird) just shows the already booked time slots. It is possible
to overbook the resource.
Outlook is subject to test next week.


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Re: [SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 06:55:27AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-08-12 3:24 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >We configured the resources according to the instructions found in the
> >wiki:http://wiki.sogo.nu/ResourceConfiguration
> Also show your sogo.conf file, otherwise we can't see what's wrong.

sure. Here it is (text between <> changed for privacy reasons):


{
  /* *  Main SOGo configuration file  **
   *   *
   * Since the content of this file is a dictionary in OpenStep plist format,  *
   * the curly braces enclosing the body of the configuration are mandatory.   *
   * See the Installation Guide for details on the format. *
   *   *
   * C and C++ style comments are supported.   *
   *   *
   * This example configuration contains only a subset of all available*
   * configuration parameters. Please see the installation guide more details. *
   *   *
   * ~sogo/GNUstep/Defaults/.GNUstepDefaults has precedence over this file,*
   * make sure to move it away to avoid unwanted parameter overrides.  *
   *   *
   * **/

  /* Database configuration (mysql:// or postgresql://) */
  SOGoProfileURL = "mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_user_profile";
  OCSFolderInfoURL = "mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_folder_info";
  OCSSessionsFolderURL = 
"mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_sessions_folder";
  OCSEMailAlarmsFolderURL = 
"mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_alarms_folder";
  OCSStoreURL = "mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_store";
  OCSAclURL = "mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_acl";
  OCSCacheFolderURL = 
"mysql://sogo:evapan6@sogo-db:3306/sogo/sogo_cache_folder";

  MySQL4Encoding = "utf8mb4";

  /* Mail */
  SOGoDraftsFolderName = Drafts;
  SOGoSentFolderName = Sent;
  SOGoTrashFolderName = Trash;
  SOGoIMAPServer = ;
  //SOGoSieveServer = sieve://127.0.0.1:4190;
  SOGoSMTPServer = ;
  SOGoMailDomain = ;
  SOGoMailingMechanism = smtp;
  //SOGoForceExternalLoginWithEmail = NO;
  SOGoMailSpoolPath = /var/spool/sogo;
  NGImap4ConnectionStringSeparator = "/";

  /* Notifications */
  //SOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications = YES;
  //RK 2016-06-16 Testing
  SOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications = YES;
  SOGoACLsSendEMailNotifications = YES;
  SOGoFoldersSendEMailNotifications = YES;
  SOGoEnableEMailAlarms = YES;

  /* Authentication */
  SOGoPasswordChangeEnabled = NO;

  /* LDAP authentication example */
  SOGoUserSources = (
{
  type = ldap;
  CNFieldName = cn;
  UIDFieldName = uid;
  IDFieldName = uid; // first field of the DN for direct binds
  bindFields = (uid, mail, o); // array of fields to use for indirect binds
  baseDN = "ou=accounts,dc=,dc=";
  //bindDN = "uid=sogo,ou=users,dc=acme,dc=com";
  //bindPassword = qwerty;
  canAuthenticate = YES;
  displayName = "Directory";
  hostname = ldap://:389;
  id = public;
  isAddressBook = YES;
  //  non user accounts ausfiltern. Ci, 2016-07-25
  filter = "(businessCategory='intern')";
  //  Testweise; soll die Adressbuchsuche vereinfachen. Nicht bei sehr grossen 
  //  Adressbuechern verwenden! Ci, 2016-06-28
  listRequiresDot = NO;
},
{
  type = ldap;
  CNFieldName = cn;
  IDFieldName = cn;
  UIDFieldName = cn;
  baseDN = "ou=sogogroups,dc=,dc=";
  canAuthenticate = YES;
  displayName = "Groups";
  hostname = ldap://ldap.:389;
  id = groups;
  isAddressBook = YES;
}
  );

  /* LDAP AD/Samba4 example */
  //SOGoUserSources = (
  //  {
  //type = ldap;
  //CNFieldName = cn;
  //UIDFieldName = sAMAccountName;
  //baseDN = "CN=users,dc=domain,dc=tld";
  //bindDN = "CN=sogo,CN=users,DC=domain,DC=tld";
  //bindFields = (sAMAccountName, mail);
  //bindPassword = password;
  //canAuthenticate = YES;
  //displayName = "Public";
  //hostname = ldap://127.0.0.1:389;
  //filter = "mail = '*'";
  //id = directory;
  //isAddressBook = YES;
  //  }
  //);


  /* SQL authentication example */
  /*  These database columns MUST be present in the view/table:
   *c_uid - will be 

[SOGo] multiple bookings of resources

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we are using SOGo to book resources (e.g. conference rooms).
Unfortunately multiple bookings (same date and time) are accepted.

We are using web interface, Thunderbird and Outlook 2013 (Active Sync).
SOGo version is 3.1.4.

We configured the resources according to the instructions found in the
wiki: http://wiki.sogo.nu/ResourceConfiguration

The LDAP entry, we added in the accounts branch (where SOGo users are
stored):

dn: uid=conference,ou=resources,dc=,dc=
businesscategory: internal
cn: Conference Room One
displayname: Conference Room One
kind: location
mail: conf...@domain.tld
multiplebookings: 1
o: Organization Name
objectclass: inetOrgPerson
objectclass: top
objectclass: CalendarResource
objectclass: calEntry
objectclass: organizationalPerson
objectclass: person
objectclass: posixAccount
sn: Conference Room One
uid: confone

What's missing here?

btw: What is expected in "multiplebookings"? Is it the number of
bookings allowed for that resource? Or is it "0/1" for "multiple bookings
forbidden/allowed"?


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Re: [SOGo] ActiveSync: free busy permissions

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:52:36AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-07-25 1:54 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:

> >Thank you for the information. Would you take it as suggestion?
> Sure - you can open a feature requests on https://sogo.nu/bugs

Done.


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Re: [SOGo] ActiveSync: free busy permissions

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:52:36AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-07-25 1:54 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:

> >Thank you for the information. Would you take it as suggestion?
> Sure - you can open a feature requests on https://sogo.nu/bugs

Done. Issue ID 0003778


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Re: [SOGo] ActiveSync: free busy permissions

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 08:21:46AM -0400 you wrote:

> On 2016-07-22 5:29 AM, Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de) wrote:
> 
> >Is it possible to set these permissions as default for new users?
> Unfortunately, it's not currently possible. We could add a new
> preference - something like SOGoCalendarPublicRoles.

Thank you for the information. Would you take it as suggestion?

> Right now, you can change it for your users using the Administration
> module in SOGo (when you're part of SOGoSuperUsernames.

But I have to do that one by one?


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[SOGo] ActiveSync: free busy permissions

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

quoting ID 0003749 from the bug tracking system:


We have an issue where Outlook 2013 with ActiveSync does not show
Free/Busy information.

SOGoCalendarDefaultRoles is set to (PublicViewer,
ConfidentialDAndTViewer) in sogo.conf but this does only apply to the
roles for authorized users.

Outlook via ActiveSync seems to use an unauthenticated connection to
query the free/busy information.

When we set appropriate permissions for "Public Access" (with
SOGoEnablePublicAccess = YES) then Outlook can show Free/Busy info.

Is it possible to set these permissions as default for new users?


Perhaps someone here can bring light into the darkness.


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[SOGo] addressbook: groups

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we are using SOGo with LDAP address book. When synchronizing this
address book with e.g. Android phones the addresses should be imported
into the address book of Android as group (let's say: "company").

What is necessary in SOGo and/or LDAP to get that working?


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Re: [SOGo] WOWorkersCount

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:00:42AM +0200 you wrote:

> it is - https://sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGoInstallationGuide.html -> 5.3.
> General Preferences: WOWorkersCount ..

I've read that. ;-)
Done that I assumed that the value of PREFORK is the starting number
of processes spawning additional processes until WOWorkersCount is
reached.

But it's clear now. Perhaps change the phrasing in 5.3?


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Re: [SOGo] WOWorkersCount

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi Jens,

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 02:18:18PM +0200 you wrote:

> on Debian and derived distributions (and maybe other distributions with 
> similar mechanics in the init scripts), the `WOWorkersCount` option is 
> overwritten by `/etc/defaults/sogo`'s `PREFORK` option. So `WOWorkersCount` 
> is not used at all.

thank you for this hint. That should be mentioned in the adminstator's manual.


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[SOGo] WOWorkersCount

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi,

I am somewhat confused re. "WOWorkersCount" / "PREFORK".

If I set PREFORK = 3 in /etc/default/sogo with WOWorkersCount = 60 in
sogo.conf just 3 children of sogod are started. That remains on this
number even if users begin to use sogod. The only result is lng
time waiting for synchronization.

If I set PREFORK higher (10) then performance remains o.k. until all
workers are busy. Workers don't increase above PREFORK thus never
reaches a value near WOWorkersCount.

Something is wrong. Clarification needed. ;-)


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Re: [SOGo] Attachments for appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 01:41:54PM +0200 you wrote:

> See bug:
> https://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=1758

Ah, thank you. That provides me with strong ammunition to fight
against the demand for attachments. ;-)


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Re: [SOGo] Attachments for appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hi,

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:54:07AM +0200 you wrote:

> That is right, and intentional.
> Even the standard discourages the use of binary attachments in events.
> Just think of mobiles, which have to synchronize those on every change
> of the event.

sure. Personally I don't need attachments at appointments. Our
secretary did ask for that.

Thank you for the clear eplaination.


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Re: [SOGo] Attachments for appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

Am 14.07.2016 um 16:49 schrieb "sg gs" (s...@mail.com):

> as far as i know, it's only possible to add an url pointing to such an
> attachment - an ownclod link for instace.

thank you, but -- bad. I won't get our office workers to upload the
attachment to web space to insert the link into the appointment.

@inverse: Are there plans for server support of attachments?


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[SOGo] Attachments for appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

we'd like to use attachments (doc, pdf etc.) in our appointments.
Is that possible with SOGo? If not, which workaround would be best
practice?


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Re: [SOGo] confidential appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 01:33:05PM +0100 you wrote:

> We've been running v3 since its initial release and I
> have never experienced any different behaviour.  The appointments
> are correctly flagged as confidential (if you examine the XML sent
> to the client) but I believe this should be handled server-side
> (like it is with CalDAV) as I have yet to find a client that honours
> this!  It is also much safer if data never intended for a client
> device is kept centrally and never distributed to it...

Outlook 2013 (ActiveSync) does not send an authentication to the
server. Therefore the server handles such free/busy requests as coming
from "public". The server answers if "public" has at least permission
to date/time of the requested user.

Is that really the problem? There must be a way for the server to
find out who requests free/busy information. And yes, that must be
handled server-side.


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Re: [SOGo] confidential appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 01:33:05PM +0100 you wrote:

> It is here.  We've been running v3 since its initial release and I
> have never experienced any different behaviour.  

Bad.

> The appointments are correctly flagged as confidential (if you
> examine the XML sent to the client) but I believe this should be
> handled server-side (like it is with CalDAV) as I have yet to find a
> client that honours this!  It is also much safer if data never
> intended for a client device is kept centrally and never distributed
> to it...

Fully agree. Why doesn't Inverse fix that? It should not be rocket
science.

MS-Outlook seems to handle that correct client-side. But leaking data
will be misused some day...


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Re: [SOGo] confidential appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:56:40PM +0100 you wrote:

> Alternatively, if any of your users are connected via ActiveSync
> there is a long-standing bug which reveals confidential information
> regardless of the settings:
> 
> https://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=3118

Uh oh...
We are syncing MS Outlook 2013 via ActiveSync. Not preserving privacy
may be a show stopper within our calendar project.


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Re: [SOGo] confidential appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:56:40PM +0100 you wrote:

> Alternatively, if any of your users are connected via ActiveSync
> there is a long-standing bug which reveals confidential information
> regardless of the settings:
> 
> https://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=3118

Is that still an issue in SOGo 3.1.2?


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Re: [SOGo] confidential appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 01:51:41PM +0200 you wrote:

> You did give them privileges to see those in your calendar.
> Or the admin did so, and you didn't change that.

The others, who should not see the details of confidential entries,
have permission to see time/date.

Maybe I found out what has been the problem. Both testers are admins.

"Others" was the other admin. :-/

Really "others" (normal users) can just see time/date. 
Seems to be o.k. I think.

Thank you for setting me on the right track.


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[SOGo] confidential appointments

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

if I enter an appointment as "confidential" through the web interface
it is visable to others in CalDAV synchronized Thunderbird calendar.

SOGo 3.1.2

What's wrong here?


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Re: [SOGo] Exception when trying to add resource to appointment

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 09:48:08AM +0200 you wrote:

> Just as follow up for the list:
> https://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=3728

thank you for adding the URL. I should heve done that after we
reported the bug but forgot it.


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[SOGo] Exception when trying to add resource to appointment

[Ralf Cirksena]

SOGo 3.1.2

We added resources to the LDAP server following the docs at
http://wiki.sogo.nu/ResourceConfiguration

When trying to add one of these resources to an appointment "Proxy
Error" is displayed on the client's screen.

In /var/log/sogo/sogo.log an EXCEPTION is reported:

| EXCEPTION:  NAME:NSInvalidArgumentException 
REASON:Can not determine type information for -[GSArrayEnumerator 
copyWithZone:] INFO:(null)
| Jun 14 13:05:10 sogod [7335]: <0x0x7f69a23e4710[WOWatchDogChild]> child 7902 
exited
| Jun 14 13:05:10 sogod [7335]: <0x0x7f69a23e4710[WOWatchDogChild]>  
(terminated due to signal 6)
| Jun 14 13:05:10 sogod [7335]: <0x0x7f69a2128d10[WOWatchDog]> child spawned 
with pid 8042

What's the reason? How can we solve that?


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Re: [SOGo] Syncing Outlook Calendar without Samba 4?

[Ralf Cirksena]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 02:22:24PM +0200 you wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Am 12.04.2016 um 08:17 schrieb Ralf Cirksena (c...@holmco.de):
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:28:52PM + you wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM Ralf Cirksena  wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Outlook 2013 does support ActiveSync, and so does Outlook 2016. This
> >>>> chart describes it pretty well:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://sogo.nu/about.html
> >>>
> >>> As we are using Outlook 2013 it should work?
> >>> The circle in that graphical overview covers both stripes: ActiveSync
> >>> and OpenChange. Does that mean both are required or does that mean one
> >>> of them (ActiveSync OR OpenChange) will do it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Both will do it but differently Outlook 2013 can be an ActiveSync client
> >> and an Outlook Anywhere client which is a full featured one for
> >> collaboration suite, at least, theoretically. So both will do it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Samba 3 does not have the Active Directory features required.
> >>>
> >>> It's required for OpenChange only, right?
> >>>
> >>
> >> OpenChange requires Samba >= 4.1.18. 4.4 version works with patches
> >> provided to this mailing list some days ago. Use SOGo packages is a secure
> >> way to have it ready.
> > 
> > O.k., conclusion is:
> > 
> > If I plan to use Outlook 2013, Android, iOS with calendar sync, group
> > calendars, resource calendars, ActiveSync will be enough. No need for
> > OpenChange (or Samba >= 4,1,18),
> > 
> > Is that right?
> > 
> 
> Yes, that is right.
> 
> 
> > Sorry, I am new to these things like ActiveSync and Outlook/Exchange.
> > 
> 
> No problem, we all started at some point.
> 
> 
> > To work with SOGo I need:
> > * SOGo ;-)
> > * LDAP for authentication (just for authentication?)
> 
> You do not need LDAP, you can also use a Database instead, but LDAP has
> additional global group support and Resources.
> Resources are accounts, which can auto accept invitations, based on how
> often they are already booked at the invitation date.
> E.g. we use that for booking of some meeting rooms, which obviously can
> only be booked once at the same time.
> 
> (You also get at least username <-> displayname <-> email addresses for
> your users, not just authentication.)
> 
> 
> > * Database (mysql or postgres)
> > * A mail server providing SMTP and IMAP
> > 
> 
> If you want to use server based automatic email sorting, automatic
> vacation messages and/or automatic email forwarding, then you need SIEVE
> too (as part of your IMAP server).
> 
> > something else?
> > 
> 
> Yes, Apache or nginx for static content delivery and reverse proxy for
> sogod.

Thank you for the information. I hope we are able to start now.


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Re: [SOGo] Syncing Outlook Calendar without Samba 4?

[Ralf Cirksena]

Hello,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:28:52PM + you wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM Ralf Cirksena  wrote:
> 
> > > Outlook 2013 does support ActiveSync, and so does Outlook 2016. This
> > > chart describes it pretty well:
> > >
> > > http://sogo.nu/about.html
> >
> > As we are using Outlook 2013 it should work?
> > The circle in that graphical overview covers both stripes: ActiveSync
> > and OpenChange. Does that mean both are required or does that mean one
> > of them (ActiveSync OR OpenChange) will do it?
> >
> 
> Both will do it but differently Outlook 2013 can be an ActiveSync client
> and an Outlook Anywhere client which is a full featured one for
> collaboration suite, at least, theoretically. So both will do it.
> 
> 
> > > Samba 3 does not have the Active Directory features required.
> >
> > It's required for OpenChange only, right?
> >
> 
> OpenChange requires Samba >= 4.1.18. 4.4 version works with patches
> provided to this mailing list some days ago. Use SOGo packages is a secure
> way to have it ready.

O.k., conclusion is:

If I plan to use Outlook 2013, Android, iOS with calendar sync, group
calendars, resource calendars, ActiveSync will be enough. No need for
OpenChange (or Samba >= 4,1,18),

Is that right?

Sorry, I am new to these things like ActiveSync and Outlook/Exchange.

To work with SOGo I need:
* SOGo ;-)
* LDAP for authentication (just for authentication?)
* Database (mysql or postgres)
* A mail server providing SMTP and IMAP

something else?


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