Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Martinec
On Thursday September 2 2010 01:52:28 Runbox wrote: Would you please remove Runbox.com from that list as we have not been a free email provider since 2001. Kim Thanks, removed! Should propagate with the next sa-update. Mark

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2010-09-01 Thread Runbox
Hello, Would you please remove Runbox.com from that list as we have not been a free email provider since 2001. Kim -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/FreeMail-plugin-updated-tp23468766p29599495.html Sent from the SpamAssassin - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Hidden Dir in URI (Was: FreeMail plugin updated - banks)

2010-03-08 Thread Ned Slider
Adam Katz wrote: On 15-May-2009, at 12:46, Adam Katz wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{7}\/\../ LuKreme wrote: That won't catch http://www.spammer.example.com/.../hidden-malware.asf, it will only catch the relative url form ../path/to/content which SA improperly prefaces with http://; uri URI_HIDDEN

Re: Hidden Dir in URI (Was: FreeMail plugin updated - banks)

2010-03-08 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ned Slider wrote: Adam Katz wrote: On 15-May-2009, at 12:46, Adam Katz wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{7}\/\../ LuKreme wrote: That won't catch http://www.spammer.example.com/.../hidden-malware.asf, it will only catch the relative url form ../path/to/content

Re: Hidden Dir in URI (Was: FreeMail plugin updated - banks)

2010-03-08 Thread Ned Slider
John Hardin wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ned Slider wrote: So I've refined the rule to specifically exclude hitting on the sequence ../. which stops the rule triggering on multiple relative paths. uriLOCAL_URI_HIDDEN_DIR/(?!.{6}\.\.\/\..).{8}\/\../ How about: uri

Re: Hidden Dir in URI (Was: FreeMail plugin updated - banks)

2010-03-08 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ned Slider wrote: John Hardin wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ned Slider wrote: So I've refined the rule to specifically exclude hitting on the sequence ../. which stops the rule triggering on multiple relative paths. uriLOCAL_URI_HIDDEN_DIR

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-15 Thread Henrik K
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 01:08:29PM +0300, Henrik K wrote: http://sa.hege.li/FreeMail.pm (see inside for some documentation) http://sa.hege.li/FreeMail.cf (for some examples) I've added suggestion for this: header __freemail_reply eval:check_freemail_replyto('reply') meta FREEMAIL_REPLY

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Adam Stephens
LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this, most prominently on mail from mail.elsevier-alerts.com --

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Adam Stephens wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this, most prominently on mail from

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Ned Slider
Adam Stephens wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this, most prominently on mail from mail.elsevier-alerts.com I

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Ned Slider
John Hardin wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009, Adam Stephens wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this, most prominently on mail

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Adam Stephens wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this, most prominently

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Ned Slider
John Hardin wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Adam Stephens wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this,

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Adam Katz
John Hardin wrote: http://pastebin.com/m1268fbe6 Thanks. Here's the problematic URI: http://../cd.asp?i=572550545UserID=4DFEDDHIIBCFBH55 in the unsunscribe link. Which was actually: a href=3D=22=2E= =2E/cd=2Easp?i=3D572550545=26UserID=3D4DFEDDHIIBCFBH55=22 And thus: a

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Ned Slider
Adam Katz wrote: John Hardin wrote: http://pastebin.com/m1268fbe6 Thanks. Here's the problematic URI: http://../cd.asp?i=572550545UserID=4DFEDDHIIBCFBH55 in the unsunscribe link. Which was actually: a href=3D=22=2E= =2E/cd=2Easp?i=3D572550545=26UserID=3D4DFEDDHIIBCFBH55=22 And thus:

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Adam Katz
Adam Katz wrote: Relative URIs are only safe when prefacing the URI. Requiring the protocol beforehand should do the trick. Since http://; is the implied protocol and is 8 chars, we get this: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{8}\/\../ Ned Slider wrote: Yep - that works great for me and I understand the

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Adam Katz wrote: Adam Katz wrote: Relative URIs are only safe when prefacing the URI. Requiring the protocol beforehand should do the trick. Since http://; is the implied protocol and is 8 chars, we get this: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{8}\/\../ Ned Slider wrote: Yep - that

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Ned Slider
Adam Katz wrote: Adam Katz wrote: Relative URIs are only safe when prefacing the URI. Requiring the protocol beforehand should do the trick. Since http://; is the implied protocol and is 8 chars, we get this: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{8}\/\../ Ned Slider wrote: Yep - that works great for me and I

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Adam Katz
John Hardin wrote: What about an explicit https://..; URI? I have no problem marking that as spam (you're thinking too hard). I should also have noted that while this works around the SA bug, it also ignores hidden dirs and files appearing early in relative paths, like a href=a.bc/.secret

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread LuKreme
On May 15, 2009, at 5:44, Adam Stephens adam.steph...@bristol.ac.uk wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? I'd say so - I'm seeing lots of FPs on this, most

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread LuKreme
On 15-May-2009, at 12:46, Adam Katz wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{7}\/\../ That won't catch http://www.spammer.example.com/.../hidden- malware.asf, it will only catch the relative url form ../path/to/ content which SA improperly prefaces with http://; uri URI_HIDDEN /.{8}\/\../ Will catch

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 15 May 2009, LuKreme wrote: On 15-May-2009, at 12:46, Adam Katz wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{7}\/\../ That won't catch http://www.spammer.example.com/.../hidden-malware.asf, How so? That rule matches ple.com/.. in that URI. -- John Hardin KA7OHZ

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread LuKreme
On 15-May-2009, at 14:35, LuKreme wrote: On 15-May-2009, at 12:46, Adam Katz wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{7}\/\../ That won't catch http://www.spammer.example.com/.../hidden- malware.asf, it will only catch the relative url form ../path/to/ content which SA improperly prefaces with http://;

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 15 May 2009, LuKreme wrote: Of course, if SA didn't preface URIs with http:// on its own, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I am not willing to call that a bug as I suspect there is a very good reason for it. It's a bug in the specific case of a URI like ../whatever, as it doesn't

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-15 Thread Adam Katz
On 15-May-2009, at 12:46, Adam Katz wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN /.{7}\/\../ LuKreme wrote: That won't catch http://www.spammer.example.com/.../hidden-malware.asf, it will only catch the relative url form ../path/to/content which SA improperly prefaces with http://; uri URI_HIDDEN /.{8}\/\../

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-13 Thread Henrik K
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 07:25:26PM -0700, Bill Landry wrote: Hi Henrik, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-13 Thread Ned Slider
Ned Slider wrote: uriLOCAL_URI_PHISH_UK3 m{https?://.{1,40}/.{1,60}\.(ac|co|gov)\.uk} describeLOCAL_URI_PHISH_UK3contains obfuscated UK phish link of form example.com/bank.co.uk Ah, this rule hits on unsubscribe links etc, which wasn't what was intended. For example:

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-13 Thread Bill Landry
Henrik K wrote: When I run spamassassin --lint no problems are reported. Any thoughts on why this is happening only when updating the sought rules? It seems sa-update only lints the directory that it downloaded, thus no freemail_domains cf is ever seen. I've now reduced the warning when

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-13 Thread neil
Hi; Ned Slider wrote: First up, from Mike's inspiration above, I came up with these: I took your rule and added some meta rules to it. I'm getting hits on phishes, but I haven't seen any legitimate traffic hit it. This may be that I have not seen any real bank mail or it could be that it

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-13 Thread Ned Slider
neil wrote: Hi; Ned Slider wrote: First up, from Mike's inspiration above, I came up with these: I took your rule and added some meta rules to it. I'm getting hits on phishes, but I haven't seen any legitimate traffic hit it. This may be that I have not seen any real bank mail or it could be

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread neil
Hi; Ned Slider wrote: snip My point is it's really not easy to track down such information even when banks do occasionally try to do the right thing. Maybe there is already a list out there. If not, maybe we should compile one? It's hard work trying to do it by yourself, but done as a group

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 19:36 -0700, John Hardin wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Then you get phish where the From address is a bank domain, and the envelope address is from a completely unrelated domain with a valid spf record so even a simple From_Bank spf_pass isn't

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread LuKreme
On 11-May-2009, at 17:20, Marc Perkel wrote: mouss wrote: Is phishing really a problem for banks? I don't think so. You're kidding right? No, he has a point. The people with the problem are the customers. The bank is at best neutral and at worst couldn't care less. Also, despite the

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 12 May 2009, LuKreme wrote: On 11-May-2009, at 17:20, Marc Perkel wrote: mouss wrote: Is phishing really a problem for banks? I don't think so. You're kidding right? No, he has a point. The people with the problem are the customers. The bank is at best neutral and at worst couldn't

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread mouss
Marc Perkel a écrit : mouss wrote: Is phishing really a problem for banks? I don't think so. (I'll forgive you for snipping the rest of the paragraph, and thus isolating a single phrase which was part of a context...). You're kidding right? No. I never heard of a bank losing money

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread mouss
John Hardin a écrit : On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Then you get phish where the From address is a bank domain, and the envelope address is from a completely unrelated domain with a valid spf record so even a simple From_Bank spf_pass isn't going to work. That might make a

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread Ned Slider
Mike Cardwell wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: Or maybe I'm trying to reinvent a wheel someone already has up and running :-) a bank without SPF or DKIM signing is NOT worth using Yes - but I think what he's saying is that you have to start with a list of bank domains, the test those domains

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: uri LOCAL_URI_HIDDEN_DIRm{https?://.{1,40}/\.\w} describe LOCAL_URI_HIDDEN_DIR contains hidden directory of form example.com/.something the fourth might be indicative of a hacked server with a hidden phishing directory. Any comments?

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread Ned Slider
John Hardin wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: uriLOCAL_URI_HIDDEN_DIRm{https?://.{1,40}/\.\w} describeLOCAL_URI_HIDDEN_DIRcontains hidden directory of form example.com/.something the fourth might be indicative of a hacked server with a hidden phishing

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-12 Thread Bill Landry
Hi Henrik, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might even reduce FPs and add hits, who knows. Domains are now

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-12 Thread Bill Landry
Bill Landry wrote: Hi Henrik, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might even reduce FPs and add hits, who knows.

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-12 Thread LuKreme
On 12-May-2009, at 18:27, John Hardin wrote: uri URI_HIDDEN/\/\../ Ah, that's very very nice. Scoring it at 3.0, too aggressive? -- No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always go there first, and is waiting for it.

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread Mike Cardwell
Marc Perkel wrote: Or maybe I'm trying to reinvent a wheel someone already has up and running :-) a bank without SPF or DKIM signing is NOT worth using Yes - but I think what he's saying is that you have to start with a list of bank domains, the test those domains with higher scrutiny.

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread Ned Slider
Mike Cardwell wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: Yes - but I think what he's saying is that you have to start with a list of bank domains, the test those domains with higher scrutiny. Does such a list exist? One of my users was getting a lot of spam pretending to be from banks. I ended up just

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread Mike Cardwell
Ned Slider wrote: Yes - but I think what he's saying is that you have to start with a list of bank domains, the test those domains with higher scrutiny. Does such a list exist? One of my users was getting a lot of spam pretending to be from banks. I ended up just compiling a regular

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread Ned Slider
Mike Cardwell wrote: Ned Slider wrote: Yes - but I think what he's saying is that you have to start with a list of bank domains, the test those domains with higher scrutiny. Does such a list exist? One of my users was getting a lot of spam pretending to be from banks. I ended up just

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-11 Thread Henrik K
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 01:08:29PM +0300, Henrik K wrote: Hello, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might even

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread LuKreme
On 11-May-2009, at 03:11, Ned Slider wrote: My thinking is that combined as a meta with a few simple keywords/ phrases (eg, alert, security, account suspended etc) it might make a very effective rule against bank phish. The only thing that needs to be done to prevent bank phish is to check

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread mouss
Ned Slider a écrit : [snip] I would really like to see the creation of a tld along the lines of .bank, and make it like .gov or .edu (ac.uk) where only confirmed banks and financial institutions can register such domains. my $devil{advocate}-mode = $status-enabled; and after banks,

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread jp
In the meantime I'm left working on the basis that for the large part, banks simply don't send email to my clients so *any* email claiming to be from a bank is immediately highly suspicious and could probably be scored well on the way to being spam. I personally use dedicated

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread Marc Perkel
mouss wrote: Is phishing really a problem for banks? I don't think so. You're kidding right?

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Marc Perkel wrote: mouss wrote: Is phishing really a problem for banks? I don't think so. You're kidding right? I think mouss' point is that if banks considered phishing their problem they would be pursuing effective technological and policy solutions like proper

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread Ned Slider
John Hardin wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009, Marc Perkel wrote: mouss wrote: Is phishing really a problem for banks? I don't think so. You're kidding right? I think mouss' point is that if banks considered phishing their problem they would be pursuing effective technological and policy

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-11 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Then you get phish where the From address is a bank domain, and the envelope address is from a completely unrelated domain with a valid spf record so even a simple From_Bank spf_pass isn't going to work. That might make a useful general rule, though:

FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-10 Thread Henrik K
Hello, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might even reduce FPs and add hits, who knows. Domains are now separated from

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-10 Thread Ned Slider
Henrik K wrote: Hello, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might even reduce FPs and add hits, who knows. Domains are now

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-10 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, May 10, 2009 13:15, Ned Slider wrote: Or maybe I'm trying to reinvent a wheel someone already has up and running :-) a bank without SPF or DKIM signing is NOT worth using -- http://localhost/ 100% uptime and 100% mirrored :)

Re: FreeMail plugin updated - banks

2009-05-10 Thread Marc Perkel
Benny Pedersen wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 13:15, Ned Slider wrote: Or maybe I'm trying to reinvent a wheel someone already has up and running :-) a bank without SPF or DKIM signing is NOT worth using Yes - but I think what he's saying is that you have to start with a list of

Re: FreeMail plugin updated

2009-05-10 Thread Marc Perkel
Just curious - how did you build that list? Henrik K wrote: Hello, I've revamped fully the old code. Works still the same, but has some new functions. It's also a bit more careful when parsing body (new parser, emails inside are ignored, as well ones inside urls etc), so it might even reduce