Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Ok, I did figure out the problem: after downloading and uploading the xar, what I needed to do was click on the xar file. That displays a Page content panel on the right side of the Import page, describing the macro. Then click "Import". After this I can see the imported macro in the WYSIWYG macro editor. -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/where-put-macros-tp5696249p5741135.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 15:45, afrey wrote: > > Does that mean I have to create a macro out of the xar file that I imported > ( -> edit -> objects -> New Object -> Select > XWiki.WikiMacroClass)? If that is the case, how do I do that? Where do I > specify the xar file for the macro that I may need to create? > What I did so far is download the xar file, then,imported the file using > Wiki Preferences -> Import -> Browse to downloaded xar. On the "Import" page > I can see all the xar files that I downloaded for macros or applications. > The problem is that I don't know what to do from here. How do I use these > xar files? If the macro is done properly that's all you have to do. What macro are you trying to install exactly ? > > Thank you, > > Alina. > -- > View this message in context: > http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/where-put-macros-tp5696249p5740061.html > Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
And yes, I did stop and restart xwiki. -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/where-put-macros-tp5696249p5740065.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Does that mean I have to create a macro out of the xar file that I imported ( -> edit -> objects -> New Object -> Select XWiki.WikiMacroClass)? If that is the case, how do I do that? Where do I specify the xar file for the macro that I may need to create? What I did so far is download the xar file, then,imported the file using Wiki Preferences -> Import -> Browse to downloaded xar. On the "Import" page I can see all the xar files that I downloaded for macros or applications. The problem is that I don't know what to do from here. How do I use these xar files? Thank you, Alina. -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/where-put-macros-tp5696249p5740061.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 08:39, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: > Hi Alina, > > afrey wrote: >> For any of you who used downloaded macros for xwiki. >> What do I need to do after downloading and importing a macro. I have >> downloaded/imported a couple of macros, and non of them are displayed in the >> Macro WYSIWYG editor. Please advise. >> >> -Alina. >> > Have you tried to restart your servlet container/applications server? > I've seen some Jira issue related with macros failing to register after > importing. Restarting does the trick for now. That is only when imported xar also change rights of current user. Like initilial XE xar import for example. You should check the macros visibility property. > > HTH, > > Ricardo > > -- > Ricardo Rodríguez > CTO > eBioTIC. > Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Hi Alina, afrey wrote: > For any of you who used downloaded macros for xwiki. > What do I need to do after downloading and importing a macro. I have > downloaded/imported a couple of macros, and non of them are displayed in the > Macro WYSIWYG editor. Please advise. > > -Alina. > Have you tried to restart your servlet container/applications server? I've seen some Jira issue related with macros failing to register after importing. Restarting does the trick for now. HTH, Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodríguez CTO eBioTIC. Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
For any of you who used downloaded macros for xwiki. What do I need to do after downloading and importing a macro. I have downloaded/imported a couple of macros, and non of them are displayed in the Macro WYSIWYG editor. Please advise. -Alina. -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/where-put-macros-tp5696249p5733582.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jerome Velociter >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Guillaume Lerouge >>> wrote: +1 for a better separation as well. I regularly give demos of XWiki and landing on a first page with all the technical spaces is indeed confusing for users. >> >> +1 for a better handling of hidden items in the wiki. >> >>> I agree. Maybe it's time we thing about typed spaces. >>> >>> It could start with something light such as a XWiki.SpaceClass with >>> only a "pretty name" (quite needed too if you ask me) and a "category" >>> list >>> >> >> We indeed need a pretty name for spaces and wikis (currently handled >> in wiki descriptors). I think this could go in the XWikiPreference >> class. Category ? Do we really need to categorize spaces which already >> are categories ? >> > > Ok I read too fast. If the category is here to be able to mark a space > as technical, I think it's like using a bazooka to kill a fly No I think it could be more than that. You could have spaces of type "Content", of type "User space", of type "Application" or "Application code", etc. >. WDYT > about hiding spaces to basic users when all the pages within the space > are hidden ? (of course the hidden page feature would need to be > finished, we'd need APIs to retrieve them for advanced users). That would work. Jerome > > Thanks, > JV. > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jerome Velociter > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Guillaume Lerouge >> wrote: >>> >>> +1 for a better separation as well. I regularly give demos of XWiki and >>> landing on a first page with all the technical spaces is indeed confusing >>> for users. > > +1 for a better handling of hidden items in the wiki. > >> I agree. Maybe it's time we thing about typed spaces. >> >> It could start with something light such as a XWiki.SpaceClass with >> only a "pretty name" (quite needed too if you ask me) and a "category" >> list >> > > We indeed need a pretty name for spaces and wikis (currently handled > in wiki descriptors). I think this could go in the XWikiPreference > class. Category ? Do we really need to categorize spaces which already > are categories ? > Ok I read too fast. If the category is here to be able to mark a space as technical, I think it's like using a bazooka to kill a fly. WDYT about hiding spaces to basic users when all the pages within the space are hidden ? (of course the hidden page feature would need to be finished, we'd need APIs to retrieve them for advanced users). Thanks, JV. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jerome Velociter wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Guillaume Lerouge > wrote: >> >> +1 for a better separation as well. I regularly give demos of XWiki and >> landing on a first page with all the technical spaces is indeed confusing >> for users. +1 for a better handling of hidden items in the wiki. > I agree. Maybe it's time we thing about typed spaces. > > It could start with something light such as a XWiki.SpaceClass with > only a "pretty name" (quite needed too if you ask me) and a "category" > list > We indeed need a pretty name for spaces and wikis (currently handled in wiki descriptors). I think this could go in the XWikiPreference class. Category ? Do we really need to categorize spaces which already are categories ? JV. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:04, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Guillaume Lerouge
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 09:10, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. <
>> ricardo.rodrig...@ebiotic.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vincent Massol wrote:
>>> > On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Vincent, all,
>>> >>
>>> >> See below
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
>>> > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
>>> > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
>>> > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
>>> >
>>> > WDYT?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki
>>> advanced
>>> feature.
>>>
>>> >>> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's
>>> something technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and
>>> they won't even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden
>>> from simple users (same as for other tech spaces).
>>> >>>
>>> >> Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess
>>> ;)
>>> >>
>>> >> Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
>>> >> I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
>>> >> that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
>>> >> before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
>>> >> the end).
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > The reason is simple. Most people come to the wiki as a place where to
>>> find information (not as contributors) and they'll see the list of spaces
>>> listed on the home page mixed with spaces containing real content for that
>>> wiki. All I want is a separation between "business content" and technical
>>> content. I'm fine if we have 2 space lists on the home page, one for each
>>> type of content. But I really don't like to mix the two kind of content.
>>> >
>>>
>>> This categorization would also welcome here. It is been hard to me to
>>> explain to "regular users" what is the difference between business
>>> content and technical content as Vicent called that different nature
>>> documents. Even talking with tech-skilled people, is by no means easy to
>>> explain that one thing are contents produced by the community they are
>>> going to create/support by using a new XWiki installation and the
>>> contains produced/updated by the XWiki community in subsequent releases.
>>>
>>> To tag in any simple way those contents in a way they could be
>>> hidden/shown, could even also helps, IMO, the upgrade and backup
>>> operations.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents.
>>>
>>
>> +1 for a better separation as well. I regularly give demos of XWiki and
>> landing on a first page with all the technical spaces is indeed confusing
>> for users.
>
> I agree. Maybe it's time we thing about typed spaces.
>
> It could start with something light such as a XWiki.SpaceClass with
> only a "pretty name" (quite needed too if you ask me) and a "category"
> list
+1
>
> Jerome.
>
>>
>> Guillaume
>>
>>
>>> >> Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
>>> >> between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
>>> >> "Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > yes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Maybe
>>> >> the intermediary level could be this one.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I don't think we need one ATM.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently
>>> located?
>>> >>>
>>> >> If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
>>> >> {{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
>>> >> another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
>>> >> WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
>>> >> macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
>>> >> documentation for the held macro)
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Well I'm not sure. IMO the dashboard should be moved to a dashboard
>>> application and that spaces macro could be moved to that dashboard
>>> application.
>>> > Recent Activity should be moved to an Activity application too and the
>>> activity macro there too.
>>> >
>>> > Basically I still believe strongly that we need to list all our default
>>> XE pages and assign them an application. I had done that exercise one and
>>> created the jira components in XE asa result. Maybe we should revisit this
>>> and do this mapping now?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> Shouldn't
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 09:10, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. <
> ricardo.rodrig...@ebiotic.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Vincent Massol wrote:
>> > On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Vincent, all,
>> >>
>> >> See below
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
>> > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
>> > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
>> > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
>> >
>> > WDYT?
>> >
>> >
>> This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki
>> advanced
>> feature.
>>
>> >>> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's
>> something technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and
>> they won't even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden
>> from simple users (same as for other tech spaces).
>> >>>
>> >> Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess
>> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
>> >> I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
>> >> that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
>> >> before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
>> >> the end).
>> >>
>> >
>> > The reason is simple. Most people come to the wiki as a place where to
>> find information (not as contributors) and they'll see the list of spaces
>> listed on the home page mixed with spaces containing real content for that
>> wiki. All I want is a separation between "business content" and technical
>> content. I'm fine if we have 2 space lists on the home page, one for each
>> type of content. But I really don't like to mix the two kind of content.
>> >
>>
>> This categorization would also welcome here. It is been hard to me to
>> explain to "regular users" what is the difference between business
>> content and technical content as Vicent called that different nature
>> documents. Even talking with tech-skilled people, is by no means easy to
>> explain that one thing are contents produced by the community they are
>> going to create/support by using a new XWiki installation and the
>> contains produced/updated by the XWiki community in subsequent releases.
>>
>> To tag in any simple way those contents in a way they could be
>> hidden/shown, could even also helps, IMO, the upgrade and backup
>> operations.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>
> +1 for a better separation as well. I regularly give demos of XWiki and
> landing on a first page with all the technical spaces is indeed confusing
> for users.
I agree. Maybe it's time we thing about typed spaces.
It could start with something light such as a XWiki.SpaceClass with
only a "pretty name" (quite needed too if you ask me) and a "category"
list
Jerome.
>
> Guillaume
>
>
>> >> Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
>> >> between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
>> >> "Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ?
>> >>
>> >
>> > yes.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Maybe
>> >> the intermediary level could be this one.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I don't think we need one ATM.
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
>> >>>
>> >> Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently
>> located?
>> >>>
>> >> If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
>> >> {{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
>> >> another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
>> >> WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
>> >> macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
>> >> documentation for the held macro)
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well I'm not sure. IMO the dashboard should be moved to a dashboard
>> application and that spaces macro could be moved to that dashboard
>> application.
>> > Recent Activity should be moved to an Activity application too and the
>> activity macro there too.
>> >
>> > Basically I still believe strongly that we need to list all our default
>> XE pages and assign them an application. I had done that exercise one and
>> created the jira components in XE asa result. Maybe we should revisit this
>> and do this mapping now?
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
>> >>>
>> >> Yes they should.
>> >> Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
>> >> documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
>
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>
> > Hi Vincent, all,
> >
> > See below
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter
> wrote:
> >>>
> Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
> with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
> XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
> form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
>
> WDYT?
>
> >>>
> >>> This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced
> >>> feature.
> >>
> >> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's
> something technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and
> they won't even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden
> from simple users (same as for other tech spaces).
> >
> > Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess
> ;)
> >
> > Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
> > I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
> > that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
> > before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
> > the end).
>
> The reason is simple. Most people come to the wiki as a place where to find
> information (not as contributors) and they'll see the list of spaces listed
> on the home page mixed with spaces containing real content for that wiki.
> All I want is a separation between "business content" and technical content.
> I'm fine if we have 2 space lists on the home page, one for each type of
> content. But I really don't like to mix the two kind of content.
>
+1 for space separation, based on the user type (Advanced/Standard). It is
very disturbing to have technical spaces mixed with content/business spaces.
>
> > Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
> > between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
> > "Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ?
>
> yes.
>
> > Maybe
> > the intermediary level could be this one.
>
> I don't think we need one ATM.
>
> >> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
> >
> > Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
> >
> >> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently
> located?
> >
> > If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
> > {{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
> > another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
> > WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
> > macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
> > documentation for the held macro)
>
> Well I'm not sure. IMO the dashboard should be moved to a dashboard
> application and that spaces macro could be moved to that dashboard
> application.
> Recent Activity should be moved to an Activity application too and the
> activity macro there too.
>
> Basically I still believe strongly that we need to list all our default XE
> pages and assign them an application. I had done that exercise one and
> created the jira components in XE asa result. Maybe we should revisit this
> and do this mapping now?
>
> >> Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
> >
> > Yes they should.
> > Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
> > documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
> > space ? somewhere else ?)
>
> Yes we need to define that too. We've been quite poor in term of wiki
> content organization and as a result I feel that our default wiki content is
> a bit of a disorganized mess. We should improve. Want to lead a proposal?
>
Yes, we miss conventions on the naming. Moreover, AFAIR something is not
coherent between class wizard and livetable macro : The livetable macro
displays the template document because its name which is given by the class
wizard is not matching the one the livetable macro is expecting (and that
would be excluded).
>
> > I think the (not existing) UI at Macros.WebHome should retrieve and
> > list documents from the entire wiki, not just the Macros space.
>
> I agree
>
> > Same
> > as the scheduler (I changed that behavior just recently by the way - I
> > wanted my application scheduler jobs in my application space, not in
> > the Scheduler space - see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XASCH-56)
>
> Yep seen that and I agree.
>
> >> Does it mean a new platform/application in svn?
> >
> > There is already one : the "wikibridge" I think, with just one
> > document now (the name is not correct though, I agree)
>
> Agree, it's a good place and it should be renamed or merged with another
> app, all depending if we find that there are macros that do
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 09:10, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. <
ricardo.rodrig...@ebiotic.net> wrote:
>
>
> Vincent Massol wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hi Vincent, all,
> >>
> >> See below
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter
> wrote:
>
>
> > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
> > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
> > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
> > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> >
> This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki
> advanced
> feature.
>
> >>> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's
> something technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and
> they won't even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden
> from simple users (same as for other tech spaces).
> >>>
> >> Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess
> ;)
> >>
> >> Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
> >> I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
> >> that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
> >> before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
> >> the end).
> >>
> >
> > The reason is simple. Most people come to the wiki as a place where to
> find information (not as contributors) and they'll see the list of spaces
> listed on the home page mixed with spaces containing real content for that
> wiki. All I want is a separation between "business content" and technical
> content. I'm fine if we have 2 space lists on the home page, one for each
> type of content. But I really don't like to mix the two kind of content.
> >
>
> This categorization would also welcome here. It is been hard to me to
> explain to "regular users" what is the difference between business
> content and technical content as Vicent called that different nature
> documents. Even talking with tech-skilled people, is by no means easy to
> explain that one thing are contents produced by the community they are
> going to create/support by using a new XWiki installation and the
> contains produced/updated by the XWiki community in subsequent releases.
>
> To tag in any simple way those contents in a way they could be
> hidden/shown, could even also helps, IMO, the upgrade and backup
> operations.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
+1 for a better separation as well. I regularly give demos of XWiki and
landing on a first page with all the technical spaces is indeed confusing
for users.
Guillaume
> >> Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
> >> between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
> >> "Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ?
> >>
> >
> > yes.
> >
> >
> >> Maybe
> >> the intermediary level could be this one.
> >>
> >
> > I don't think we need one ATM.
> >
> >
> >>> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
> >>>
> >> Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently
> located?
> >>>
> >> If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
> >> {{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
> >> another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
> >> WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
> >> macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
> >> documentation for the held macro)
> >>
> >
> > Well I'm not sure. IMO the dashboard should be moved to a dashboard
> application and that spaces macro could be moved to that dashboard
> application.
> > Recent Activity should be moved to an Activity application too and the
> activity macro there too.
> >
> > Basically I still believe strongly that we need to list all our default
> XE pages and assign them an application. I had done that exercise one and
> created the jira components in XE asa result. Maybe we should revisit this
> and do this mapping now?
> >
> >
> >>> Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
> >>>
> >> Yes they should.
> >> Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
> >> documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
> >> space ? somewhere else ?)
> >>
> >
> > Yes we need to define that too. We've been quite poor in term of wiki
> content organization and as a result I feel that our default wiki content is
> a bit of a disorganized mess. We should improve. Want to lead a proposal?
> >
> >
> >> I think the (not existing) UI at Macros.WebHome should retrieve and
> >> list documents from the entire wiki, not just the Ma
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Vincent Massol wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Vincent, all,
>>
>> See below
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
> with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
> XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
> form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
>
> WDYT?
>
>
This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced
feature.
>>> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's
>>> something technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and
>>> they won't even understand it). So for me this space would need to be
>>> hidden from simple users (same as for other tech spaces).
>>>
>> Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess ;)
>>
>> Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
>> I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
>> that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
>> before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
>> the end).
>>
>
> The reason is simple. Most people come to the wiki as a place where to find
> information (not as contributors) and they'll see the list of spaces listed
> on the home page mixed with spaces containing real content for that wiki. All
> I want is a separation between "business content" and technical content. I'm
> fine if we have 2 space lists on the home page, one for each type of content.
> But I really don't like to mix the two kind of content.
>
This categorization would also welcome here. It is been hard to me to
explain to "regular users" what is the difference between business
content and technical content as Vicent called that different nature
documents. Even talking with tech-skilled people, is by no means easy to
explain that one thing are contents produced by the community they are
going to create/support by using a new XWiki installation and the
contains produced/updated by the XWiki community in subsequent releases.
To tag in any simple way those contents in a way they could be
hidden/shown, could even also helps, IMO, the upgrade and backup operations.
Just my two cents.
>
>> Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
>> between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
>> "Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ?
>>
>
> yes.
>
>
>> Maybe
>> the intermediary level could be this one.
>>
>
> I don't think we need one ATM.
>
>
>>> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
>>>
>> Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
>>
>>
>>> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently located?
>>>
>> If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
>> {{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
>> another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
>> WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
>> macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
>> documentation for the held macro)
>>
>
> Well I'm not sure. IMO the dashboard should be moved to a dashboard
> application and that spaces macro could be moved to that dashboard
> application.
> Recent Activity should be moved to an Activity application too and the
> activity macro there too.
>
> Basically I still believe strongly that we need to list all our default XE
> pages and assign them an application. I had done that exercise one and
> created the jira components in XE asa result. Maybe we should revisit this
> and do this mapping now?
>
>
>>> Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
>>>
>> Yes they should.
>> Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
>> documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
>> space ? somewhere else ?)
>>
>
> Yes we need to define that too. We've been quite poor in term of wiki content
> organization and as a result I feel that our default wiki content is a bit of
> a disorganized mess. We should improve. Want to lead a proposal?
>
>
>> I think the (not existing) UI at Macros.WebHome should retrieve and
>> list documents from the entire wiki, not just the Macros space.
>>
>
> I agree
>
>
>> Same
>> as the scheduler (I changed that behavior just recently by the way - I
>> wanted my application scheduler jobs in my application space, not in
>> the Scheduler space - see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XASCH-56)
>>
>
> Yep seen that and I agree.
>
>
>>> Does it mean a new platfor
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> Hi Vincent, all,
>
> See below
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>>>
Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
WDYT?
>>>
>>> This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced
>>> feature.
>>
>> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's something
>> technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and they won't
>> even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden from
>> simple users (same as for other tech spaces).
>
> Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess ;)
>
> Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
> I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
> that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
> before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
> the end).
The reason is simple. Most people come to the wiki as a place where to find
information (not as contributors) and they'll see the list of spaces listed on
the home page mixed with spaces containing real content for that wiki. All I
want is a separation between "business content" and technical content. I'm fine
if we have 2 space lists on the home page, one for each type of content. But I
really don't like to mix the two kind of content.
> Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
> between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
> "Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ?
yes.
> Maybe
> the intermediary level could be this one.
I don't think we need one ATM.
>> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
>
> Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
>
>> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently located?
>
> If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
> {{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
> another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
> WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
> macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
> documentation for the held macro)
Well I'm not sure. IMO the dashboard should be moved to a dashboard application
and that spaces macro could be moved to that dashboard application.
Recent Activity should be moved to an Activity application too and the activity
macro there too.
Basically I still believe strongly that we need to list all our default XE
pages and assign them an application. I had done that exercise one and created
the jira components in XE asa result. Maybe we should revisit this and do this
mapping now?
>> Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
>
> Yes they should.
> Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
> documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
> space ? somewhere else ?)
Yes we need to define that too. We've been quite poor in term of wiki content
organization and as a result I feel that our default wiki content is a bit of a
disorganized mess. We should improve. Want to lead a proposal?
> I think the (not existing) UI at Macros.WebHome should retrieve and
> list documents from the entire wiki, not just the Macros space.
I agree
> Same
> as the scheduler (I changed that behavior just recently by the way - I
> wanted my application scheduler jobs in my application space, not in
> the Scheduler space - see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XASCH-56)
Yep seen that and I agree.
>> Does it mean a new platform/application in svn?
>
> There is already one : the "wikibridge" I think, with just one
> document now (the name is not correct though, I agree)
Agree, it's a good place and it should be renamed or merged with another app,
all depending if we find that there are macros that don't belong to any
specific app.
>> What macros go there? When do we use wiki macros vs java macros (we haven't
>> really decided on this I think)?
>
> I'm quite sure you will not agree, but I would say generic (i.e. not
> tied to a particular application) wiki macros could go there. For
> example {{spaces /}} or even {{activity /}} which goes beyond just the
> dashboard app.
See comment above about the dashboard and activity apps.
>> Will java macros also be listed on that home page (they should IMO)?
>
> Yes they should. Maybe not under the exact same form, but they
> definitely should be listed and documented here
>
>>
>> Generally speaking I'm rather +1 (I'd like macros to stay in
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Hi Vincent, all,
See below
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space
>>> with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
>>> XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
>>> form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>
>> This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced
>> feature.
>
> I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's something
> technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and they won't
> even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden from simple
> users (same as for other tech spaces).
Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess ;)
Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
the end).
Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
"Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ? Maybe
the intermediary level could be this one.
>
> I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
> Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently located?
If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
{{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
documentation for the held macro)
>Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
Yes they should.
Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
space ? somewhere else ?)
I think the (not existing) UI at Macros.WebHome should retrieve and
list documents from the entire wiki, not just the Macros space. Same
as the scheduler (I changed that behavior just recently by the way - I
wanted my application scheduler jobs in my application space, not in
the Scheduler space - see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XASCH-56)
>Does it mean a new platform/application in svn?
There is already one : the "wikibridge" I think, with just one
document now (the name is not correct though, I agree)
> What macros go there? When do we use wiki macros vs java macros (we haven't
> really decided on this I think)?
I'm quite sure you will not agree, but I would say generic (i.e. not
tied to a particular application) wiki macros could go there. For
example {{spaces /}} or even {{activity /}} which goes beyond just the
dashboard app.
> Will java macros also be listed on that home page (they should IMO)?
Yes they should. Maybe not under the exact same form, but they
definitely should be listed and documented here
>
> Generally speaking I'm rather +1 (I'd like macros to stay in their apps
> though).
Cool. I'm +1 too and +1 to have the possibility for apps to bring
their own macros.
Jerome.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> PS: I didn't even know about
> http://localhost:8080/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/WikiMacros ;) I wonder why it's
> not already using a livetable
>
>> Here is my +1.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jerome
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree
>>> wrote:
2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne :
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle
> wrote:
>> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page.
>> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro
>> It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to
>>> the index.
>> Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;)
>
> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put
> contributed macro documentation.
>
Yes, thanks Thomas,
I decided to used Macros space.
Arnaud.
>>
>> Caleb
>>
>> On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote:
>>> 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle :
In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you
>>> will be able to find them
easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't
>>> recommend putting any macros
in there.
"Macros" sounds like a fine choice.
>>>
>>> I ask question more for macro we contribute to
>>>
>>> Arnaud.
>>>
Caleb
On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Where is the best space to put macros?
>
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote: > >> Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space >> with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current >> XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a >> form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.) >> >> WDYT? >> > > This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced > feature. I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's something technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and they won't even understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden from simple users (same as for other tech spaces). I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly. Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they are currently located? Shouldn't macros stay with their apps? Does it mean a new platform/application in svn? What macros go there? When do we use wiki macros vs java macros (we haven't really decided on this I think)? Will java macros also be listed on that home page (they should IMO)? Generally speaking I'm rather +1 (I'd like macros to stay in their apps though). Thanks -Vincent PS: I didn't even know about http://localhost:8080/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/WikiMacros ;) I wonder why it's not already using a livetable > Here is my +1. > > >> >> Jerome >> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree >> wrote: >>> 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle wrote: > If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro > It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to >> the index. > Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put contributed macro documentation. >>> >>> Yes, thanks Thomas, >>> I decided to used Macros space. >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> > > Caleb > > On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : >>> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you >> will be able to find them >>> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >> recommend putting any macros >>> in there. >>> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. >> >> I ask question more for macro we contribute to >> >> Arnaud. >> >>> >>> Caleb >>> >>> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: Hello, Where is the best space to put macros? I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think >> XWiki space more dedicated to XE pages. What do you think? Regards, Arnaud. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote: > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.) > > WDYT? > This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced feature. Here is my +1. > > Jerome > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree > wrote: > > 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : > >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle > >> wrote: > >>> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. > >>> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro > >>> It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to > the index. > >>> Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) > >> > >> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put > >> contributed macro documentation. > >> > > > > Yes, thanks Thomas, > > I decided to used Macros space. > > > > Arnaud. > > > >>> > >>> Caleb > >>> > >>> On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : > > In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you > will be able to find them > > easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't > recommend putting any macros > > in there. > > "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. > > I ask question more for macro we contribute to > > Arnaud. > > > > > Caleb > > > > On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Where is the best space to put macros? > >> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are > >> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. > >> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think > XWiki > >> space more dedicated to XE pages. > >> > >> What do you think? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Arnaud. > >> ___ > >> users mailing list > >> users@xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> > > > > ___ > > users mailing list > > users@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> users mailing list > >>> users@xwiki.org > >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> ___ > >> users mailing list > >> users@xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> > > ___ > > users mailing list > > users@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Hi! Jerome Velociter wrote: > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.) > > WDYT? > It will be really welcome! :-) I think any user will welcome any initiative that contribute to unveil XWiki scripting capabilities. You dev people are aware of all this nice stuff but we, regular users, struggle to get them working! Cheers! > Jerome > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree > wrote: > >> 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : >> >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle >>> wrote: >>> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the index. Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) >>> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put >>> contributed macro documentation. >>> >>> >> Yes, thanks Thomas, >> I decided to used Macros space. >> >> Arnaud. >> >> Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : > >> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you >> will be able to find them >> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >> recommend putting any macros >> in there. >> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. >> > I ask question more for macro we contribute to > > Arnaud. > > >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Where is the best space to put macros? >>> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >>> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >>> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >>> space more dedicated to XE pages. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > -- Ricardo Rodríguez CTO eBioTIC. Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 15:05, Jerome Velociter wrote: > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.) > > WDYT? I think it used to be that way but when you put thing outside of XWiki space some people complain ;) +1 for me anyway > > Jerome > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree > wrote: >> 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle >>> wrote: If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the index. Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) >>> >>> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put >>> contributed macro documentation. >>> >> >> Yes, thanks Thomas, >> I decided to used Macros space. >> >> Arnaud. >> Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : >> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you >> will be able to find them >> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >> recommend putting any macros >> in there. >> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. > > I ask question more for macro we contribute to > > Arnaud. > >> >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Where is the best space to put macros? >>> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >>> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >>> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >>> space more dedicated to XE pages. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
2010/11/2 Jerome Velociter : > Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space > with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current > XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a > form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.) > > WDYT? I like the idea. May be with also with version check linked to future extension manager Arnaud. > > Jerome > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree > wrote: >> 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle >>> wrote: If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the index. Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) >>> >>> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put >>> contributed macro documentation. >>> >> >> Yes, thanks Thomas, >> I decided to used Macros space. >> >> Arnaud. >> Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : >> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you >> will be able to find them >> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >> recommend putting any macros >> in there. >> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. > > I ask question more for macro we contribute to > > Arnaud. > >> >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Where is the best space to put macros? >>> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >>> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >>> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >>> space more dedicated to XE pages. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
Actually I've been thinking maybe we could provide a Macros/ space with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.) WDYT? Jerome On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle >> wrote: >>> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. >>> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro >>> It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the >>> index. >>> Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) >> >> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put >> contributed macro documentation. >> > > Yes, thanks Thomas, > I decided to used Macros space. > > Arnaud. > >>> >>> Caleb >>> >>> On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : > In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will > be able to find them > easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't > recommend putting any macros > in there. > "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. I ask question more for macro we contribute to Arnaud. > > Caleb > > On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Where is the best space to put macros? >> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >> space more dedicated to XE pages. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Regards, >> >> Arnaud. >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:56, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle > wrote: >> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. >> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro >> It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the >> index. >> Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) > > I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put s/Thomas/Arnaud/ > contributed macro documentation. > >> >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >>> 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will be able to find them easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't recommend putting any macros in there. "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. >>> >>> I ask question more for macro we contribute to >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > Hello, > > Where is the best space to put macros? > I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are > commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. > I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki > space more dedicated to XE pages. > > What do you think? > > Regards, > > Arnaud. > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne : > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle > wrote: >> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. >> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro >> It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the >> index. >> Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) > > I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put > contributed macro documentation. > Yes, thanks Thomas, I decided to used Macros space. Arnaud. >> >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >>> 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will be able to find them easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't recommend putting any macros in there. "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. >>> >>> I ask question more for macro we contribute to >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > Hello, > > Where is the best space to put macros? > I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are > commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. > I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki > space more dedicated to XE pages. > > What do you think? > > Regards, > > Arnaud. > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle wrote: > If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro > It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the > index. > Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put contributed macro documentation. > > Caleb > > On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : >>> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will >>> be able to find them >>> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >>> recommend putting any macros >>> in there. >>> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. >> >> I ask question more for macro we contribute to >> >> Arnaud. >> >>> >>> Caleb >>> >>> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: Hello, Where is the best space to put macros? I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki space more dedicated to XE pages. What do you think? Regards, Arnaud. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 09:57, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : >> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will be >> able to find them >> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >> recommend putting any macros >> in there. >> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. > > I ask question more for macro we contribute to There is a lot of things on XWiki space because XWiki is "protected" by default so when you install it on XE you know only admin will be able to modify it. Apart from this any space is OK, i prefer "Macros" too. Could also be a space dedicated to a bigger application in which you have macros and other things. > > Arnaud. > >> >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Where is the best space to put macros? >>> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >>> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >>> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >>> space more dedicated to XE pages. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Thomas Mortagne ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this page. http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to the index. Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;) Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : >> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will be >> able to find them >> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't >> recommend putting any macros >> in there. >> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. > > I ask question more for macro we contribute to > > Arnaud. > >> >> Caleb >> >> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Where is the best space to put macros? >>> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >>> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >>> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >>> space more dedicated to XE pages. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arnaud. >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle : > In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will be > able to find them > easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't > recommend putting any macros > in there. > "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. I ask question more for macro we contribute to Arnaud. > > Caleb > > On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Where is the best space to put macros? >> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are >> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. >> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki >> space more dedicated to XE pages. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Regards, >> >> Arnaud. >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] where put macros?
In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where you will be able to find them easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I wouldn't recommend putting any macros in there. "Macros" sounds like a fine choice. Caleb On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote: > Hello, > > Where is the best space to put macros? > I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are > commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. > I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki > space more dedicated to XE pages. > > What do you think? > > Regards, > > Arnaud. > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] where put macros?
Hello, Where is the best space to put macros? I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that macros are commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space. I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I think XWiki space more dedicated to XE pages. What do you think? Regards, Arnaud. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
