Re: Graduation?
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James O'Dell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 9/4/2011 4:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >> >> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: >> >>> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. >>> >>> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing >>> the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? >>> Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what >>> is being done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a >>> permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not >>> making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the >>> alternative of ending the graduation process… >> >> I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish >> there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU >> employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts >> the project would not survive. >> >> As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not >> intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there >> are any. >> >> >> Regards, >> Alan >> > > I certainly see NCSU as the leader in VCL, and I do see their > continued support as key to the success of the project. > I'm just wondering if the project were to graduate(It certainly > seems stable enough to), if that wouldn't generate more diversity > via greater exposure. Unfortunately the diversity must be there before it graduates. We can't graduate the polling and hope for the best, this is what the Incubator is all about. > As a point, our vice president of information technology is > scheduled to give a presentation at EduCause this October. > VCL is his the topic. I'm hoping this will generate some buzz. I'm happy to wait until October to see if the rest of the project does as well. However, I think we face the fact that this project has been around for quite a long time and has not attracted new committers. Maybe the project could park at GitHub, or somewhere, and if and when the it becomes diverse enough it could come back; if it still wanted to. Regards, Alan
Re: Graduation?
thanks. Will look to JIRA then. Art On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Josh Thompson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there a place where such features are listed? thanks Art There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right now. One is to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page. However, those features are more high level and rather involved. The other is in our JIRA system. Anyone can create new issues there. There are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are: Bug Improvement New Feature So, what I would suggest is to create a "New Feature" issue for anything you'd like to see added to VCL. Issues can be voted on. Anyone else wanting the same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority to the rest of the community. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5pBFMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQNN/gCfU8fkuUeWm3hsLq+BfUnqCbBv 0RMAnRMFIhbcL3ioR04BuHUgUwf72ATq =jhXc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Art Vandenberg Account Manager/Research Function Customer Relations, IS&T Information Systems & Technology Georgia State University avandenb...@gsu.edu +1 404 413 4743 MS Information & Computer Science, Georgia Tech MVA Painting & Drawing, Georgia State Web page: http://www.gsu.edu/ist/acs/25735.html
Re: Graduation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Is there a place where such features are listed? > > thanks > Art There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right now. One is to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page. However, those features are more high level and rather involved. The other is in our JIRA system. Anyone can create new issues there. There are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are: Bug Improvement New Feature So, what I would suggest is to create a "New Feature" issue for anything you'd like to see added to VCL. Issues can be voted on. Anyone else wanting the same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority to the rest of the community. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5pBFMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQNN/gCfU8fkuUeWm3hsLq+BfUnqCbBv 0RMAnRMFIhbcL3ioR04BuHUgUwf72ATq =jhXc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Graduation?
I too am ramping up a pilot here at Virginia Tech and expect to be able to contribute more in the future. I have incomplete code for the frontend that adds support for IPv6. (I have also fixed a bug in IPv4 validity checking which I need to check in but the fix is in the context of the IPv6 code.) I will be moving on to the backend IPv6 code next. I would request that the Foundation to be generous in allowing the project to continue flowering. I think we will get there. Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Art Vandenberg wrote: > I concur with the thoughts on this. At Georgia State I am working with > Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can move > toward contributor level. It is a somewhat "gradual" process, but I think > we are moving in the right direction. > > Would it be useful to consider listing a set of "known feature requests" so > that we could use that as "Challenges" to computer science (students, > post-docs...)? > > I've thought of several, but not really sure how "important" they might be > - other than being bite-sized items that would engage students, and get them > started (i.e. develop code on our own devl system, pass up for review and > perhaps incorporation, and so to eventually gain additional contributors.) > > For instance: > a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download resource > management traces, e.g. to CSV file. > Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011 email) > he's used. My thought would be that students would use that as start and > implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user selectable option). > While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and the feature may be somewhat > trivial, it could serve to get students involved. > > b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day (8/31/2011 > email) "Block Allocation request. Can this be limited so that only those > within a particular group (faculty) can make the request?" Mike Waldron's > reply (8/31) was "I don't know a way to restrict this function to specific > users. Looks like it would require a coding change for the frontend." That > might be another feature of interest. > > I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way to > manage image list for instance). > > Is there a place where such features are listed? > > thanks > Art > > > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote: >> >>> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >>> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: > It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. > > I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in > hearing > the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for > graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements > to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? > "incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects > required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these > issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation > process… > I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. >>> >>> Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by >>> the level of activity and discussions within the community. >>> >>> I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like >>> you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and >>> additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in >>> this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change >>> anytime soon... >>> >>> --kevan >>> >> >> The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to >> ASF. I >> do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on >> a >> single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get >> there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would >> just >> decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure >> to >> run it and a set of users to use it. >> >> The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people >> contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the >> people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing >> larger >> stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To m
Re: Graduation?
I concur with the thoughts on this. At Georgia State I am working with Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can move toward contributor level. It is a somewhat "gradual" process, but I think we are moving in the right direction. Would it be useful to consider listing a set of "known feature requests" so that we could use that as "Challenges" to computer science (students, post-docs...)? I've thought of several, but not really sure how "important" they might be - other than being bite-sized items that would engage students, and get them started (i.e. develop code on our own devl system, pass up for review and perhaps incorporation, and so to eventually gain additional contributors.) For instance: a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download resource management traces, e.g. to CSV file. Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011 email) he's used. My thought would be that students would use that as start and implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user selectable option). While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and the feature may be somewhat trivial, it could serve to get students involved. b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day (8/31/2011 email) "Block Allocation request. Can this be limited so that only those within a particular group (faculty) can make the request?" Mike Waldron's reply (8/31) was "I don't know a way to restrict this function to specific users. Looks like it would require a coding change for the frontend." That might be another feature of interest. I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way to manage image list for instance). Is there a place where such features are listed? thanks Art On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation process… I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the project would not survive. As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are any. Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by the level of activity and discussions within the community. I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change anytime soon... --kevan The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF. I do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to run it and a set of users to use it. The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To me, the only question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen? If that's another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it. If it's only a few more months, then I'm not so sure. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5o4PMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQM3TACbB4pNqHsJ+LpKCLME4Xz5nuZo DFQAniVW/QHQE7OnNnBTzmwVGFraBgBw =oKdr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Art Vandenberg Account Manager/Research Function Customer Relations, IS&T Information Systems & Technology Georgia State University avandenb...@gsu.edu +1 404 413 4743 MS Information & Computer Science, Ge
Re: Graduation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote: > On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: > >> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. > >> > >> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing > >> the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for > >> graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements > >> to be met, what is being done to address these requirements? > >> "incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects > >> required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these > >> issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation > >> process… > > > > I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish > > there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being > > NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their > > efforts the project would not survive. > > > > As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm > > not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if > > there are any. > > Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by > the level of activity and discussions within the community. > > I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like > you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and > additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in > this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change > anytime soon... > > --kevan The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF. I do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to run it and a set of users to use it. The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To me, the only question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen? If that's another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it. If it's only a few more months, then I'm not so sure. Josh - -- - --- Josh Thompson VCL Developer North Carolina State University my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5o4PMACgkQV/LQcNdtPQM3TACbB4pNqHsJ+LpKCLME4Xz5nuZo DFQAniVW/QHQE7OnNnBTzmwVGFraBgBw =oKdr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Graduation?
On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote: > >> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. >> >> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the >> thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is >> additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being >> done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. >> If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing >> on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending >> the graduation process… > > I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish > there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU > employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the > project would not survive. > > As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not > intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are > any. Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by the level of activity and discussions within the community. I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change anytime soon... --kevan
