I concur with the thoughts on this. At Georgia State I am working with Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can move toward contributor level. It is a somewhat "gradual" process, but I think we are moving in the right direction.

Would it be useful to consider listing a set of "known feature requests" so that we could use that as "Challenges" to computer science (students, post-docs...)?

I've thought of several, but not really sure how "important" they might be - other than being bite-sized items that would engage students, and get them started (i.e. develop code on our own devl system, pass up for review and perhaps incorporation, and so to eventually gain additional contributors.)

For instance:
a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download resource management traces, e.g. to CSV file. Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011 email) he's used. My thought would be that students would use that as start and implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user selectable option). While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and the feature may be somewhat trivial, it could serve to get students involved.

b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day (8/31/2011 email) "Block Allocation request. Can this be limited so that only those within a particular group (faculty) can make the request?" Mike Waldron's reply (8/31) was "I don't know a way to restrict this function to specific users. Looks like it would require a coding change for the frontend." That might be another feature of interest.

I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way to manage image list for instance).

Is there a place where such features are listed?


On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:

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On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion.

I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing
the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for
graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements
to be met, what is being done to address these requirements?
"incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects
required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation

I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good. I wish there were some diversity. This project has most of it's members being NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their
efforts the project would not survive.

As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation. I'm not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if
there are any.

Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by
the level of activity and discussions within the community.

I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like
you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and
additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in
this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change
anytime soon...


The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF. I do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a single institution's involvement. It's just a really slow process to get there. VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to
run it and a set of users to use it.

The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people
contributing smaller bits of code. It's only a matter of time before the people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger stuff. At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate. To me, the only question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen? If that's another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it. If it's only a few more
months, then I'm not so sure.

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