Re: Nice discussion at debconf
also sprach Tom Arnold [2009.07.27.0025 +0200]: > I love the idea of more x-distro collab, but what I heard seems > really complicated and daunting. Yes, we definitely need to take complexity out of it. After all, the goal should be something that is so conducive to use that people are glad to use whatever vcs-pkg produces, not scared by it. > Wouldn't it be easier to set up some independent (maybe with > Debian money) rejected-patches.org with a gitorious install that > maybe pulls all distro (or just rejected from upstream) patches > and thus creates this central hub where everybody can look and > pull in the bits one needs. Git may not be able to pull from every > dvcs now, but that is just a technical problem that can be solved > in a fairly straight forward manner. This is not a bad idea, but I have a few reservations: 1. without any form of quality assurance, this repository will soon resemble a "dump" and the benefit will shrink (I think) 2. it will be hard to track patches and be able to automatically incorporate updates 3. it might be hard to share metadata about patches that way 4. it might be hard to identify and mark patches that overlap 5. without a standard baseline, you'll have to write code to pull patches from each distro and each VCS, potentially requiring O(mn) implementations, which might just not be maintainable. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "this week dragged past me so slowly; the days fell on their knees..." -- david bowie digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Nice discussion at debconf
Hello list, I love the idea of more x-distro collab, but what I heard seems really complicated and daunting. Wouldn't it be easier to set up some independent (maybe with Debian money) rejected-patches.org with a gitorious install that maybe pulls all distro (or just rejected from upstream) patches and thus creates this central hub where everybody can look and pull in the bits one needs. Git may not be able to pull from every dvcs now, but that is just a technical problem that can be solved in a fairly straight forward manner. Cheers, - Thomas - PS: I am just brainstorming here .. so no need to be gentle with me. It is late and maybe this is just a brainfart. ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach James Westby [2009.04.13.2326 +0200]: >> Event Title: vcs-pkg.org workgroup >> Subtitle: Drafting a roadmap for vcs-pkg.org >> Track: DebConf >> Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no explanation) > > This just happened on IRC in the #debconf channel. > > 21 12:23 < madduck> jhr: is james westby there yet? > 21 12:23 < madduck> jhr: i was thinking that the 2 hours vcs-pkg session is > not going to be enough, and it's also at the end of the conference > 21 12:24 < madduck> jhr: maybe it would make sense to meet before for a > couple of hours, since I think there's quite a lot of fog to wade through. > 21 12:25 < madduck> i think zack and jamessan will also be interested. > 21 12:26 < zack> madduck: indeed > 21 12:26 < madduck> maybe you guys could sign up some bof slots, or somehow > else arrange for the possibility to meet for a couple of hours > 21 12:26 < madduck> maybe over beers at night? maybe in the morning? > 21 12:27 < jelmer> madduck: james said he > 21 12:27 < jelmer> 'll arrive on thursday > > Would someone (who agrees) please volunteer to organise this? > I won't arrive until Saturday. I wouldn't know how to do this from here, and given that it's my first Debian event it would take me a while to work out who to talk to :-). If someone who is there can organise something officially that would be great. Otherwise we could just pick a day and time on the list and meet up to discuss. Thanks, James ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach James Westby [2009.04.13.2326 +0200]: > Event Title: vcs-pkg.org workgroup > Subtitle: Drafting a roadmap for vcs-pkg.org > Track: DebConf > Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no explanation) This just happened on IRC in the #debconf channel. 21 12:23 < madduck> jhr: is james westby there yet? 21 12:23 < madduck> jhr: i was thinking that the 2 hours vcs-pkg session is not going to be enough, and it's also at the end of the conference 21 12:24 < madduck> jhr: maybe it would make sense to meet before for a couple of hours, since I think there's quite a lot of fog to wade through. 21 12:25 < madduck> i think zack and jamessan will also be interested. 21 12:26 < zack> madduck: indeed 21 12:26 < madduck> maybe you guys could sign up some bof slots, or somehow else arrange for the possibility to meet for a couple of hours 21 12:26 < madduck> maybe over beers at night? maybe in the morning? 21 12:27 < jelmer> madduck: james said he 21 12:27 < jelmer> 'll arrive on thursday Would someone (who agrees) please volunteer to organise this? I won't arrive until Saturday. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "no woman should ever be quite accurate about her age. it looks so calculating." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
DebConf workshop accepted
Hi all, The workshop at DebConf that I proposed has been accepted: https://penta.debconf.org/dc9_schedule/events/425.en.html I look forward to seeing some of you there. Thanks, James ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach Jan Hauke Rahm [2009.04.14.1146 +0200]: > Interesting point. Let's say we keep that field open until there is an > idea of implementation that would actually work. We can drop support for > VCSs and distros then if needed. ;-) Absolutely. I definitely did not mean to cast doom over SVN & Co. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. specialization is for insects." -- robert heinlein digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:41:51AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > I always try to say "modern" VCS, instead of distributed. The > problem with SVN and all the other centralised VCS is not that they > are centralised, but that they basically don't know what merges are. > They pretend to merge, and SVN 1.5 even pretends to keep track of > what it merges, but in the end it just stays brittle IME. YMMV of > course. Lack of merging could get in the way, if we decided to make > merges an integral part of the workflow. Interesting point. Let's say we keep that field open until there is an idea of implementation that would actually work. We can drop support for VCSs and distros then if needed. ;-) Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach James Westby [2009.04.13.2326 +0200]: > If any DebConf attendees have a radically different proposal then I > suggest you go ahead and submit it, as the deadline is on the 15th > of this month, and we can then decide which of the proposals to > withdraw afterwards (if any). Looks good to me. Thanks a lot! also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [2009.04.14.1026 +0200]: > > Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no > > explanation) > > I think it should be a BoF, but Martin can probably provide more > info about that. My fellow DebConf organisers have not yet understood what BoFs really are -- registering them in advance goes against the core idea. Workshop should be fine. also sprach Jan Hauke Rahm [2009.04.14.1031 +0200]: > > Abstract: The vcs-pkg.org project aims to improve package maintenance > > in distributed version control by providing both best practices and > ^^^ are we kicking out non-distributed VCSs, e.g. SVN? I always try to say "modern" VCS, instead of distributed. The problem with SVN and all the other centralised VCS is not that they are centralised, but that they basically don't know what merges are. They pretend to merge, and SVN 1.5 even pretends to keep track of what it merges, but in the end it just stays brittle IME. YMMV of course. Lack of merging could get in the way, if we decided to make merges an integral part of the workflow. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems dies ist eine manuell generierte email. sie beinhaltet tippfehler und ist auch ohne großbuchstaben gültig. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 10:31 +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > Hi James, > > just a small issue: > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:26:31PM +0100, James Westby wrote: > > > > Event Title: vcs-pkg.org workgroup > > Subtitle: Drafting a roadmap for vcs-pkg.org > > Track: DebConf > > Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no explanation) > > > > Abstract: The vcs-pkg.org project aims to improve package maintenance > > in distributed version control by providing both best practices and > ^^^ are we kicking out non-distributed VCSs, e.g. SVN? Good point. That would at least be the sort of thing that was decided in discussion rather than by me writing a draft proposal, so I will drop that word. Thanks, James ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
Hi James, just a small issue: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:26:31PM +0100, James Westby wrote: > > Event Title: vcs-pkg.org workgroup > Subtitle: Drafting a roadmap for vcs-pkg.org > Track: DebConf > Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no explanation) > > Abstract: The vcs-pkg.org project aims to improve package maintenance > in distributed version control by providing both best practices and ^^^ are we kicking out non-distributed VCSs, e.g. SVN? > tools to support those practices. While there has been valuable > discussion on the merits of various approaches to parts of the problem, > the project lacks a clear plan of how it aims to achieve these goals. > This workgroup will discuss the current state of the project, and come > up with a proposal for a roadmap for the project which the project as > a whole can then approve. Thanks anyways! Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:26:31PM +0100, James Westby wrote:
> OK, it's a bit last minute, sorry, but here is a proposal that I
> will submit to debconf in 24 hours time, any feedback is welcome.
Thanks!
> Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no explanation)
I think it should be a BoF, but Martin can probably provide more info
about that.
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Re: Debconf
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 14:00 +, James Westby wrote: > So, a first proposal to get us going: a half-day BoF on vcs-pkg, > attempting first to define the problems the project should solve, and > then sketching out a roadmap to tackle them. OK, it's a bit last minute, sorry, but here is a proposal that I will submit to debconf in 24 hours time, any feedback is welcome. Event Title: vcs-pkg.org workgroup Subtitle: Drafting a roadmap for vcs-pkg.org Track: DebConf Event type: Workshop (or should it be BoF? There is no explanation) Abstract: The vcs-pkg.org project aims to improve package maintenance in distributed version control by providing both best practices and tools to support those practices. While there has been valuable discussion on the merits of various approaches to parts of the problem, the project lacks a clear plan of how it aims to achieve these goals. This workgroup will discuss the current state of the project, and come up with a proposal for a roadmap for the project which the project as a whole can then approve. Description: Aiming to provide a set of tools and workflows that work for most people, while remaining distribution and VCS agnostic is laudable, but requires solving many problems to achieve. Our knowledge of the available techniques and the problems to solve is still limited, and so the path from the current point to the final goal is unclear. Breaking the problem up and deciding which parts to tackle first will allow the project to move towards the target, and if done correctly will mean that there is useful output before the final goal is reached. The workgroup will asses the problem as we understand it today, and decide which problems to solve first, without attempting to solve the problems, though debate will certainly arise. As vcs-pkg.org is a cross-distribution project, and the choice of DebConf means that the workgroup will be almost entirely formed of people from Debian and Debian-based distributions, the output will be a proposal to take back to the rest of the project. Submission notes: We would appreciate having more than one hour for this topic, up to half a day if possible. --- If any DebConf attendees have a radically different proposal then I suggest you go ahead and submit it, as the deadline is on the 15th of this month, and we can then decide which of the proposals to withdraw afterwards (if any). Thanks, James ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach Jan Hauke Rahm [2009.03.30.1207 +0200]: > Is this going to be decided before April, 15th? If I attend > debconf I'd definitely need sponsoring and thus to register before > April, 15th. This project would be an intersting point on my list > of reasons to attend debconf (it's my first time ;-)). If it's not decided, I suggest you register anyway; you can always pull out again later. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems philosophy: unintelligible answers to insoluble problems. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:18:30PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [2009.03.25.1625 +0100]: > > Martin, given that you are also among DebConf organizers, how about > > hosting *at* DebCamp a vcs-pkg meeting? We can announce it here and > > see whether other people, not necessarily related to Debian, are > > willing to attend such an event, which will just happen to be > > co-located with DebCamp. > > In response to this, and also to the rest of your mail, in > particular: > > > Sure it will be biased, but if we announce it as a more public event, > > we have good chances to attract more people than only Debian/Ubuntu > > contributors. > > > > Maybe it is too late, but in principle we can also ask the Extremadura > > guys to sponsor non-Debian people to attend, as they would have been > > willing to do if it were an ordinary Extremadura work meeting. > > I am all for it, and I am willing to put in the effort to help make > it happen. Is this going to be decided before April, 15th? If I attend debconf I'd definitely need sponsoring and thus to register before April, 15th. This project would be an intersting point on my list of reasons to attend debconf (it's my first time ;-)). Hauke signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach Donnie Berkholz [2009.03.26.1232 +0100]: > For Gentoo, I am interested but this is an extraordinarily bad > time for me. I expect to defend my Ph.D. thesis around this time. > If there's some funded opportunity to meet later in the year, or > perhaps next DebConf, that should be possible for me. Thanks for letting us know. I think I can try to dig up funding for an Extremadura session in the fall, if there is enough interest. So maybe not only those who would want to attend a DebConf session, but also those interested in an additional meeting could write in. Good luck with your defence, Donnie. It'll be my time around then too, but I don't yet have a date. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems ... the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal (a mind-bogglingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you -- daft as a bush, but very very ravenous); -- douglas adams, "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
Donnie Berkholz writes: > For Gentoo, I am interested but this is an extraordinarily bad time for > me. I expect to defend my Ph.D. thesis around this time. If there's some > funded opportunity to meet later in the year, or perhaps next DebConf, > that should be possible for me. I'd definitely like to discuss this at DebConf next year as well. DebConf next year will be in New York City, which while it definitely has its pluses and minuses given US immigration, may make it easier for a different set of people to come than can make it this year. (For example, Stanford will send me, whereas this year I won't make it since I'd probably have to fund my own way on top of the really long economy-class flight.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
On 23:18 Wed 25 Mar , martin f krafft wrote: > Are any of the RedHat/Fedora, Suse, Arch, Gentoo, YourDistroHere > people interested? For Gentoo, I am interested but this is an extraordinarily bad time for me. I expect to defend my Ph.D. thesis around this time. If there's some funded opportunity to meet later in the year, or perhaps next DebConf, that should be possible for me. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com pgplXnpYnFbUw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [2009.03.25.1625 +0100]: > Martin, given that you are also among DebConf organizers, how about > hosting *at* DebCamp a vcs-pkg meeting? We can announce it here and > see whether other people, not necessarily related to Debian, are > willing to attend such an event, which will just happen to be > co-located with DebCamp. In response to this, and also to the rest of your mail, in particular: > Sure it will be biased, but if we announce it as a more public event, > we have good chances to attract more people than only Debian/Ubuntu > contributors. > > Maybe it is too late, but in principle we can also ask the Extremadura > guys to sponsor non-Debian people to attend, as they would have been > willing to do if it were an ordinary Extremadura work meeting. I am all for it, and I am willing to put in the effort to help make it happen. Are any of the RedHat/Fedora, Suse, Arch, Gentoo, YourDistroHere people interested? -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "'oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing." -- douglas adams, "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach James Westby [2009.03.25.1500 +0100]: > > I will probably be there and I am definitely interested in doing > > something vcs-pkg. I am a little weary though about doing something > > in a Debian/Ubuntu-only context, because this group is already > > strongly Debian/Ubuntu-centric [0], so we better be careful not to > > drive the others away. > > I agree. > > It seems to good an opportunity to pass up though. Maybe some non-Debian people would consider attending anyway? It's in Spain and thus not far from anywhere Europe, and if you have a true interest in combination with funding problems, talk to me and maybe I can help make it happen. Sentences like this do not attempt to suggest that I have money, but I do have people to talk to. :) > So, a first proposal to get us going: a half-day BoF on vcs-pkg, > attempting first to define the problems the project should solve, > and then sketching out a roadmap to tackle them. Sounds good to me. Anything further is probably better placed at a multi-day Extremadura meeting, which we still could do. Or I'll host y'all in Zurich. :) -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "man kann die menschen nur von ihren eigenen meinungen überzeugen." -- charles tschopp ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 02:00:19PM +, James Westby wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 18:41 +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > I will probably be there and I am definitely interested in doing
> > something vcs-pkg. I am a little weary though about doing something
> > in a Debian/Ubuntu-only context, because this group is already
> > strongly Debian/Ubuntu-centric [0], so we better be careful not to
> > drive the others away.
> I agree.
> It seems to good an opportunity to pass up though.
Agreed, and I'll be there too.
Martin, given that you are also among DebConf organizers, how about
hosting *at* DebCamp a vcs-pkg meeting? We can announce it here and
see whether other people, not necessarily related to Debian, are
willing to attend such an event, which will just happen to be
co-located with DebCamp.
Sure it will be biased, but if we announce it as a more public event,
we have good chances to attract more people than only Debian/Ubuntu
contributors.
Maybe it is too late, but in principle we can also ask the Extremadura
guys to sponsor non-Debian people to attend, as they would have been
willing to do if it were an ordinary Extremadura work meeting.
Would all that make any sense?
... I'm not sure, but it was definitely worth asking :-)
Cheers.
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Re: Debconf
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 18:41 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > I will probably be there and I am definitely interested in doing > something vcs-pkg. I am a little weary though about doing something > in a Debian/Ubuntu-only context, because this group is already > strongly Debian/Ubuntu-centric [0], so we better be careful not to > drive the others away. I agree. It seems to good an opportunity to pass up though. > I think what we could do though is take note of what we've done and > come to terms again with what we're doing. It seems that vcs-pkg is > still mainly an idea and an interest group, but we don't have any > products, solutions, or even just specific problem vectors yet. We > could define those, and invite non-Debconf-attendees to join us on > IRC. > > I'd support any effort, though since I am also organiser for > DebConf, I appreciate it greatly that James took the lead. We > could/should probably make this a longer or even multi-day session, > and maybe even try to have it during DebCamp instead of the main > conference. I'm happy to make the proposal to debconf once we decide what we would like it to be. I'm happy to try and have it as a longer session, but I wasn't planning on attending DebCamp as well. So, a first proposal to get us going: a half-day BoF on vcs-pkg, attempting first to define the problems the project should solve, and then sketching out a roadmap to tackle them. Thanks, James ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Re: Debconf
also sprach James Westby [2009.03.23.1821 +0100]: > I'm going to be at this year's debconf, and so I'd like to > organise something to do with vcs-pkg if there is interest. > > Who is going to be at Debconf? What suggestions are there for what > we can do? I will probably be there and I am definitely interested in doing something vcs-pkg. I am a little weary though about doing something in a Debian/Ubuntu-only context, because this group is already strongly Debian/Ubuntu-centric [0], so we better be careful not to drive the others away. I think what we could do though is take note of what we've done and come to terms again with what we're doing. It seems that vcs-pkg is still mainly an idea and an interest group, but we don't have any products, solutions, or even just specific problem vectors yet. We could define those, and invite non-Debconf-attendees to join us on IRC. I'd support any effort, though since I am also organiser for DebConf, I appreciate it greatly that James took the lead. We could/should probably make this a longer or even multi-day session, and maybe even try to have it during DebCamp instead of the main conference. 0. probably since I have not spread the word far enough, and since there isn't really anything tangible here yet. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems anyone who says sunshine brings happiness has never danced in the rain. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
Debconf
Hi all, There is a strong Debian presence here, and so I expect there will be a number of people interested in vcs-pkg at Debconf. I'm going to be at this year's debconf, and so I'd like to organise something to do with vcs-pkg if there is interest. Who is going to be at Debconf? What suggestions are there for what we can do? Thanks, James ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
vcs-pkg BoF on DebConf
Hi VCS packagers, on this year's DebConf, Martin will possibly hold a talk about vcs-pkg and hopefully excite lots of people for the issue. My hope was that this would generate enough interest to hold a Face-to-face meeting and get some offline discussion going, so to follow-up on the talk I registered a BoF session on the topic (which has been accepted). Unfortunately, due to the shaky sponsorship situation, the physical distance to Argentina, and other RL contraints, I absolutely cannot make it to DebConf this year. :-( So if anybody else is definately planning on going, sees value in this form of meeting, and will have a few spare cycles to prepare and host this BoF, please contact me per PM so we can arrange an event takeover with the DebConf organizers. Having said that, I'm definatly excited to have a more intensive work session in Extremadura this september. The wiki page [1] suggests June 23rd as the last possible date to register, so give your heart a shove (or some less germanish expression to the same effect), make room in your calendar, and register with Martin _now_. :-) And to you DebConf-goers, please still leave some work to be done for us in September. ;-) Philipp. [1] http://vcs-pkg.org/meetings/2008.09.extremadura/ ___ vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list vcs-pkg-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss
