Two laywers (one from NBC, the other from Columbia law school) are
discussing what fair use these days when it come to remixing.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/830/
NBC laywer says, fair use is not a right, a misconception and
misstatement frequently made these days.
you can imagine how
Hey Jay :-)
so fair use = part or all of a work for the purposes of: criticism,
comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship or research.
with words on the internet, it's fairly cut and dry.
bloggers are usually criticising, commenting, reporting, teaching or
reserching. it's easy :-)
with
so fair use = part or all of a work for the purposes of: criticism,
comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship or research.
with words on the internet, it's fairly cut and dry.
bloggers are usually criticising, commenting, reporting, teaching or
reserching. it's easy :-)
with
On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:27 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
so fair use = part or all of a work for the purposes of: criticism,
comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship or research.
with words on the internet, it's fairly cut and dry.
bloggers are usually criticising, commenting, reporting,
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:27 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
I don't quite understand the question. Everyone is able to embed
Youtube videos in blogs BBS forums. Doesn't that solve your grab
a Youtube video from the site?
He's
Two laywers (one from NBC, the other from Columbia law school) are
discussing what fair use these days when it come to remixing.
Just then a third lawyer walks in, carrying a filthy pig under his arm.
The bartender says, Where'd you get that disgusting thing?
And the pig says, I found him in
Well, that is the issue, as Andreas has already stated to Cheryl that
he wouldn't do that, that the only way would be for you to delete
your video from your site...
I find that troubling and to be honest, disturbing
Heath
http://batmangeek.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
So it begins... http://tinyurl.com/393qmk
NEW YORK - Time Warner Cable will experiment with a new pricing
structure for high-speed Internet access later this year, charging
customers based on how much data they download, a company spokesman
said Wednesday.
The company, the second-largest
But not everyone who remixes or uses video gives the proper
attribution like the majority of text bloggers do. That and with
text it easy to follow the links and get the information that you
are looking for or see how it adds to the overall conversation. With
video I don't know how many
On Jan 16, 2008 10:02 PM, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adrian:
To your Question about having video's removed from the list. The only
solution Andreas has responded with is to delete the video. Delete
it from it's original posted location... delete it from Blip (or
whatever storage
So the Hand-picked list is actually in a box that presents two types of
videos for you. It's changed a little bit since this screenshot was
taken.
By default the presentation is of Hand Picked videos, which are picked
by our editor. They're not necessarily related at all to what you're
watching
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point is that there seems to be an idea that online videos are like
individually wrapped movies not to be touched, instead of pieces of a
large conversation we can all use to talk to each other.
This watch but
So I tried to install Windows XP (sp2) via boot camp on my MacBookPro
... and now my Mac wont boot up ... to anything.
I followed all the boot camp instructions and completed the first
portion of the windows install (blue screen with text where you tell
it what partition to install on). At this
Information Super Highway 1996-2008 RIP
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com
On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Heath wrote:
So it begins... http://tinyurl.com/393qmk
NEW YORK - Time Warner Cable will experiment with a new pricing
if these are embedded on a webpage, then javascript can be used to interact
with the QT plugin and get video duration and check if playing and other
useful things.
On Jan 16, 2008 10:36 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi Doron
like the hamlet diptych :-)
On 17/01/2008, at 4:26
Yeah the scary stuffs starts when they start saying
Video costs $1 ... unless you're getting it from the Comcast Media
Store - then its free! That violates net neutrality.
It's also worth remembering that from the ISP standpoint - the
publisher/hoster IS paying for the bandwidth used ... so
I'm OK with charging the bandwidth hogs more money than someone who only
checks email or even watches video on YouTube. I'm a network admin at a
university. In my experience 5% to 10% of the users do use around 50% of
the bandwidth, sometimes more. If charging the people who are in the top
Excellent points Mike, espeacially about Andreas solution to not
wanting to be associated with his site
What I find interesting in this discussion, is that Andreas said he
wanted to create discussion and yet, for the most part he has not
participated in this discussionthere are valid
Try this - hold down the mouse or trackpad button on startup - that's
supposed to eject a disc in the drive.
- Verdi
On Jan 17, 2008 8:49 AM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I tried to install Windows XP (sp2) via boot camp on my MacBookPro
... and now my Mac wont boot up ...
I think I'm ok with this so long as where I'm downloading the video
*from* does NOT matter in anyway.
For example, if I download video from blip.tv, it should cost the same
amount per bit as video from CNN.com.
Now, granted I don't WANT to have to pay more for video downloads ...
but as long as
I'm less worried about my own costs going up than I am about the
shrinking of my potential audience, since a lot of people won't
necessarily be willing to pay what I'm willing to pay for access. That
will mean a lot more people tiptoeing around the internet, afraid to
sample a lot of indie video
Check this out,
http://uploads.blip.tv/
Takes you straight to the upload form.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:37 PM, RANDY MANN wrote:
now it takes me anywhere form 2 to 30 mins just to get to the
upload page.
Takes me back to the old days when a vlogger would opine, If only I
could... in the morning and by night, the tool was created.
Ah.
Sweet.
Thanks!
XO,
Jan
--
The Faux Press - better than real
http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS
http://fauxpress.blogspot.com
Yeah, QT has some nice JS hooks. Unfortuantely browser support is kind of
spotty and IIRC recent security advisories has resulted in the
functionality being a bit crippled in IE. I have not been able to make
tests recently because I don't have access to a Windows machine so I don't
know
Yup. It'll lead to the Crapplebees and Fridays-ization of the internet.
Mom Pop shunned and chain restaurants embraced because 'you know
what you're going to get'.
People gravitate towards the known when they're paying for something.
It's comfortable and it makes sense from a personal
I believe that this space is no different than roads and community
infrastructure.
This space is power.
People having access to this space is dangerous.
What happened to Every man a publishing house! Every man a network.
That's the sales pitch communications companies gave to get the
I think I might have a few answers to your questions Andreas.
1) is proper acknowledgement not a fair request?
It is a fair request IMO, however it is not an obligation unless I am using
someone's content with the requirement in their copyright license.
I did credit and link to you in my very
Well I certainly dont trust that telecoms companies are the best guardians
providers of
open internet access for all. But this is not a new thing, and Ive spoken
before about hw
the ISPs work in the UK
UK ISPs have tried a variety of different approaches to limiting heavy use
since
I am not seeing any wish to discuss the contents of the manifesto in this
thread. Mike is the only one who has come close, but pointing out that he
has scripted a lumiere video (we all have) is not an opening for
discussion. It's just a statement of fact.
I have written some long e-mails in
i think maybe that had to do with href tracks?
i have a windows machine tucked away collecting dust.
i'll have to look into this as well. thanks.
i'm thinking of using prism in conjunction with quicktime media experiments.
On Jan 17, 2008 12:27 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That was sorta my thought toowell people be less willing to try
or download something because they don't or can't go over their
limit.
But the MPAA and the RIAA and the networks have got to be loving this
modelforce people back to the TV
Of course I am not sure if their (Time
So am I
Heath
http://batmangeek.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jan 16, 2008 10:02 PM, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adrian:
To your Question about having video's removed from the list. The
only
solution Andreas has responded
David, you can rest assured that people would have to stay on the lumiere
site for over 3 hours before your video would be played. There is a clear
link to the blogpost where the video came from right below it (same way
iTunes handles videos). I have received no complaints from anyone over
Well you did answer my concernt about the term 'participants' off-list,t hanks
for that. I
made one or two other points about the manifesto itself, which were not
responded to,
but they werent particularily good points so I dont mind.
I will expand on my opniion that not being allowed any
On Jan 17, 2008 1:07 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any speculation on whether or not the link would be removed would be just
that, speculation. Please don't start making up issues that are not there.
Andreas, I'm not making anything up. YOU said that if we didnt want
#5 was the one where one video slowed down gradually as you moved your
mouse into the other video.
- Andreas
Den 16.01.2008 kl. 19:05 skrev Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
hi Andreas
remind me again what the old number 5 did again? (So yes, will be
adding it shortly, think they all should
Hey Steve,
Nice note...
I've been hearing about the terrorist 007 guy too, and I thought it
was about fomenting fear...
But, at least in this country, it's hard to split government from big
business these days because of corporate sponsored public policy.
People all up in arms about
I share Chris's concerns regarding the effect on potential audience.
I am also concerned about this causing internet cafes and other public
access points to limit the use of video and audio. As a maker, I want
to reach people who DON'T live most of their lives online and may
primarily access the
Additional clarification:
I dont mean you are paranoid, rather that if such things are exagurated, this
can be used
to dismiss them as unreality by those with the power to make our nightmares
come true.
We need to see the details before working out what is happening.
I dont think Ive ever
I agree that we can't have our cake and eat it too, but I think
that's not really what's going to happen.
ATT is rolling out HD TV over DSL. That's their baby. Somehow I
don't think that the bandwidth structure will be enforced there. It's
going to receive some kind of semantical exception.
Hey guys. I just finished uploading a great interview I took of three
12-year old video journalists from Santa Barbara Middle School at
Macworld Expo yesterday. Check it out here:
http://vishots.com/2008/01/17/interview-with-sbms-teen-press-at-macworld\
-expo/
I can tell you that Aske Dam, who first introduced me to the rules creates
his lumiere videos with one notable exception - he allows himself to break
one of the rules. Most often this is the no audio rule for the same
reasons you outline.
I have found the 1 minute rule to be the one I most
Just because the article uses the word tiered service doesn't mean
this is in any way related to Net Neutrality.
In Toronto, Rogers provides internet services and charges different
prices based on the amount of bandwidth you want. i.e. If you're only
going to surf email, you get Rogers
One of the assignments I give students is to make a music video with
no music or sound.
So let's make it a vlogject. The Silencio Project. Silent music
videos. No other restriction - the openness should provide for an
interesting peek into people's minds and philosophies about the moving
image.
I'll tell what's going to happen.
They will deliver digital television and we will remain online video.
CNN will become part of digital TV.
It's a semantical distinction that's going to be used to get rid of us.
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
This is my simple interpretation of a Lumiere.
A Moving Picture, in the strictest sense.
That is why 'no audio' is a rule.
A Picture is visual only.
I know that Andreas greatly enjoys photography and assume that some
inspiration for putting a new emphassis on Lumiere Video and writing a
manifesto
People are free to delete any video and it won't show up. We have still
not received any requests from anyone asking for their links to be
removed. On the other hand we have received many requests to be included.
If you want to contact the maintainers of the videoblogging.info website
The Silencio Project - or is it a vlogject? - is merely a tag and a
platform on which to create and discuss music videos... but without
music. Visual Music not in the sense of the visual music films of
yore, but as an exploration of visual language: what can you make,
using only images, that
Well I agree with many of your comments, I just dont draw quite the same
conclusions.
Many of these corporations find it easier to see other corporations, similar
beasts, on their
threat radar. Yes we have seen heavyhanded tactics used against their own
customers, eg
RIAA legal stuff, but I
You know, I didn't mean to hijack Sull's comment about challenging
people to push the music video form. But it's still a project I think
would be great to get going. I'll start another thread on it for
clarity (and so that ppl not following this one will know about it).
Brook
On 1/17/08, Brook
is proper acknowledgment not a fair request?
I'm surprised you think this is the issue. Of course it's a fair
request. The problem Andreas is the way in which you requested the
acknowledgment. An apology in order and you have yet to offer one or
address the issue. That would have cut this
Doh that was supposed to say not. I am not a libertarian, I dont know what I
am, exactly
because much of the left scares me nearly as much as the right. At the end of
the day Id
prefer a dictatorship that fed all their children, to a dictatorship that did
not. But Id rather
have an actual
Hey Gang,
I'm in the market for a new video camera.
My Sony HC1 died a while back from overuse and I've been using my
xacti hd2 with a wide angle lense and simple shotgun mic setup. I
really prefer the hd2's 720p to 1080i. If I could send interlacing to
hell, I would do it in a second.
So I'm
Let me be the first then, to request that you (Andreas and Brittany)
remove all links to my Lumiere videos from your site.
Specifically, here are the links I would like you to remove:
http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2007/06/27/partly-cloudy-lumiere-1/
Or you could try enjoying video in a whole new way.
at your local gay video dance bar.
http://www.sfbadlands.com/
On Jan 17, 2008 3:19 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Den 17.01.2008 kl. 16:05 skrev Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So how about Lumish... stuff
My biggest concern is incidental art. There have been numerous times
where I've caught music in a car or outside in my videos.
This is why I'm a strong proponent of reforming copyright law, and
cementing net neutrality into place.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL
Den 17.01.2008 kl. 16:05 skrev Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So how about Lumish... stuff that is inspired by and deeply related to
Lumiere, but may
break a rule here or there.
Go nuts. For something somewhat related that predates my own lumiere
videos: http://blandlands.com/
--
In this response, you Rox, show why you Rock!
Heath
http://batmangeek.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think I might have a few answers to your questions Andreas.
1) is proper acknowledgement not a fair request?
It is a fair request IMO,
Hi,
To all newbies and the more, should I say, Seasoned among us.
I am prepared to get the old flash meetings set up again, on a regular
basis i.e. at least once a week.
The best time really, due to time differences between europe and the
US is probably Saturdays, where folks from the US
Thanks for the response.
Yeah I dont like the language barriers that seperate people, so I am a fan of
no-audio in
that sense. I guess when confronted with the rule, my brain leaped to all the
things it
would miss, the stuff that sounds (rather than human language) can add to art,
work,
Let me be the first to request that this thread ends now and any further
communication concerning Andreas' eitquette or content linked on the Lumiere
site be directed to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
Sull
(the soapbox stomper)
On Jan 17, 2008 3:53 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice Steve...
Thanks for the reply...
I wish I were closer so we could hit a pub and grab a beer.
I also share a great deal of thoughts with libertarians, love talking
with them, the social aspects are very appealing to me, but their
conclusions about markets being the salvation for
Now we are making a great job in France with flashmeeting ( on many
collaborative projects)
I think it's a great tool to collaborate
Thx Paul
( and thx Markus Sandy for opened it)
of course the only problem is to share many language
And for the fun the good link of the day
Has to be 720p or 1080p.
Has to record to hard drive or cards. I hate tapes.
I'd like it to have 3 ccds but not essential.
Low light awesomeness would be nice.
Has to accept wide angle lens attachment.
Has to be decent at recording audio.
Anyone go to CES and see anything I should keep
Posted: http://www.hummingcrow.com/2008/01/17/a-public-request/
Mailed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I hereby formally and publicly request that links to my Lumiere videos
be removed from videoblogging.info/lumiere/, where they are listed as
videos by hummingcrow.
I do so for the following reasons:
* I
i would like to see them come back. saturday at 3 pm est would be cool again
randy
On Jan 17, 2008 4:52 PM, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now we are making a great job in France with flashmeeting ( on many
collaborative projects)
I think it's a great tool to collaborate
Thx Paul
(
Thank you for changing it. I really appreciate it! In what direction does
Blip plan to take this interface now? I will share with you what I would like
to see Blip offer instead wasting time on this silly interface project that
doesn't need any changing.
Why doesn't Blip work on offering
-John, totl
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two laywers (one from NBC, the other from Columbia law school) are
discussing what fair use these days when it come to remixing.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/830/
NBC laywer says, fair use is
Hey Sull,
I've mentioned it a couple times about comparing lumieres to moving
pictures.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/62800
In fact, I've tagged all my Lumieres with Lumierevideo and movingpicture.
I also did a vlog with the idea of us, the vlogging community, taking
You have to spend over 2k to get better than the HV20, and 3x that to
get something recording to disk or cards that is comparable quality.
Another option: a tape based camera (HV20 or Sony or whatever) and a
camera drive, so you can still bypass tape.
Sony has a new XDCam EX which is everything on your wish list and
more. I am not sure if it is available in US, but will be any day.
Just sit down before you look at the price tag about 7,000-8000 us
dollars. Cards run about 400-800 dollars or so I have heard. If you
get it, I will be very
On 18/01/2008, at 6:29 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
I can tell you that Aske Dam, who first introduced me to the rules
creates
his lumiere videos with one notable exception - he allows himself to
break
one of the rules. Most often this is the no audio rule for the same
reasons
Well, everyone's seemed to have a say when it comes to the Andreas and
Brittany's Lumiere site and the later added Manifesto.
As per my understanding, a Manifesto is a public declaration of
policy and aims. As the manifesto was created after the initial
collection of videos, some people may feel
I like the Canon HV-20, except it captures to tape, and it records
1808/60i. You can get it to record in the format of 1080/24p, except
you have to run an extra process on the footage after you capture it
to the computer for it to work properly on your timeline.
Phil Campbell is testing a Canon
On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Charles HOPE wrote:
Sull, please stop telling people to shut up.
he did not say that. he made a request and a suggestion
This is a very annoying habit of
yours and at this point, it pretty much is your only contribution
to this list.
no friggen way
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the future I do believe we'll be presenting Related videos on this
page. The related videos will probably be driven by a collaborative
filtering system. Right now we're evaluating four different CF systems.
These
On 18/01/2008, at 5:08 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
#5 was the one where one video slowed down gradually as you moved your
mouse into the other video.
ah yes, most definitely, though I might just turn it into a 'button
that you mouse over. Having a sprite over an entire video track
Hi Adrian,
I understand and agree with what you just wrote and what Andreas wrote
earlier about the manifesto. No arguments there from me. I think (at
least it's the case with me) that what is bothering some of us is that
when we first heard of this project it was simply an artistic exercise
using
Sull, please stop telling people to shut up. This is a very annoying habit of
yours and at this point, it pretty much is your only contribution to this list.
Develop the discipline to avoid threads you don't like.
Sull wrote:
Let me be the first to request that this thread ends now and any
Ah! Thanks Verdi! That worked and for some reason the option key at
boot is now working too.
The windows partition is still useless, but I can at least get back
into the mac os.
Thanks,
- Dave
On Jan 17, 2008 11:27 AM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try this - hold down the mouse or
On 18/01/2008, at 3:05 AM, Sull wrote:
if these are embedded on a webpage, then javascript can be used to
interact
with the QT plugin and get video duration and check if playing and
other
useful things.
yep, but if I were building it all using LiveStage I'd just use the
stuff within
On 18/01/2008, at 11:39 AM, Michael Verdi wrote:
I understand and agree with what you just wrote and what Andreas wrote
earlier about the manifesto. No arguments there from me. I think (at
least it's the case with me) that what is bothering some of us is that
when we first heard of this
For me, I did not say anything at all until Andreas responded to
Cheryl. That rubbed me the wrong way. Not that I didn't think he
was rude to Rox, which I thought he was as well, but I understood at
least what he was saying, I may not have liked how he said it. But
when he told Cheryl this
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So, are we arguing about a manifesto, the use of some or all of
the
constraints, or someone linking to work on the basis of its use of
some constraints? And if we are clear that the use of 'we' in the
On 18/01/2008, at 3:53 PM, Heath wrote:
Taken in context with what is being said before in the manifesto, why
is it unreasonable to think that someone may read the manifesto and
conclude that Andreas and Brittany are in charge of the videos or
have been given the videos to be taken care of.
Follow-up: I waited until I returned home from campus tonight to check
whether links to my video had been removed. They have. But I received
no confirmation response from Andreas or Brittany as to whether my
request would be ignored or honored.
I would like to thank both Andreas and Brittany for
Yes. Exactly. It felt like a bait and switch.
I'm personally glad that Andreas and Brittany put so much thought into
the Lumiere project, and chose to do something that would challenge
preconceptions/status quo. And I love that it's not about business
models/advertising/selling/marketing - we
I have been watching the camcorder scene for the past year and a half
again because it was time to free myself from tapes. Eventually I
settled for Sony HDR-SR7, which has a CMOS sensor (not best for dark
situations, you need Sony PD170 for dark shooting :).
Sony just came out with a newer 160GB
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