Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Jan
PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:50:09 +0200, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Aren't those PSAs a result of a lawsuit? Ie. Phillip Morris was forced to make them as a part

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Big tobacco was required by the suit to spend a lot of money but I'm not sure it was the PSA's they had to spend it on. Somehow, I don't think it was in fact outlined where they had to spend it, but simply that it had to be spent in the spirit of reducing smoking. I always thought the money

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Michael Verdi
Yes they have to some PSAs about the dangers of smoking because of lawsuits though they are mostly, go to our website and sign up and we'll send you a pamphlet kind of thing. I was referring to the thing where they give some food or water away to a charity or for a natural disaster and then

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Michael Verdi
Oh, Jan may be right - I don't know if those PSAs were required. Here in Texas they had to give some money away and one place they did was the YMCA. One summer I worked with a bunch of kids at a local YMCA and we made an anti-somoking animation using cut up smoking advertisments. I'm not sure

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Jen Simmons
don't be duped. the advertising companies have realized that the 30 second spot where they say buy this product, it's the best one, it will do great things for you is dead. No one buys the rhetoric anymore. (Compare that to 40-50 years ago when our culture was such that most people would say

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Charles HOPE
Jen Simmons wrote: Those corporations want to take over the imagination of the vlogosphere... and they are. Do we want to fall for that? What do you mean "take over"? This could be the vector by which the idea of videoblogging reaches more people. In what way will it drive out the

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Anne Walk
hey jan,loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps, primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause.

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Jan
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction don't be duped. the advertising companies have realized that the 30 second spot where they say buy this product, it's the best one, it will do great things for you is dead. No one buys the rhetoric

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Jan McLaughlin
ttp://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, s

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Josh Wolf
: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-16 Thread Anne Walk
- From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Michael Verdi
Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom theyknow who are women of worth.

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Jan
Hehehe - heroic by association. Great old trick. Works. Worked on a documentary years ago - sponsored by L'Oreal I think - wherein we did the same kinda thing but feature-length. It was called I Am Beautiful and featured a Native American woman with AIDS who'd adopted a bunch of orphaned

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Charles HOPE
Are we equating cosmetics with tobacco? Michael Verdi wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Anne Walk
it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Mike Hudack
I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment?On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Michael Verdi
Sorry - didn't mean to equate the two, just the tactics. L'Oreal would probably like draw attention away from stuff like this, http://www.askcarla.com/answers.asp?QuestionandanswerID=458 , by talking about women doing great things that have nothing to do with their company. It's a well known

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Devlon
ok, clueless moment...who is 'BP'?On 5/15/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Charles HOPE
British Petroleum, an oil company which has gone green and expanded its scope into sustainable energy. Isn't this what us tree huggers have been praying for for decades? Devlon wrote: ok, clueless moment...who is 'BP'? On 5/15/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Mike Hudack
Personally, I'm thrilled by BP's newfound religion. I mean, some will say that they still operate polluting businesses (from petrochemicals on through). That's true. But they've also acknowledged the existence of global warming and are pouring resources into sustainable and relatively green

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Devlon
Ah, thanks CharlesOn 5/15/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: British Petroleum, an oil company which has gone green and expanded its scope into sustainable energy. Isn't this what us tree huggers have been praying for for decades? Devlon wrote: ok, clueless moment...who is

Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

2006-05-15 Thread Josh Wolf
I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes across as trying