Re: [videoblogging] Re: Input from the community?
hello Nox, it could be that i am just suspicious by nature but this is my critique based on a first impression of the site: I think the pay to submit model is a bad one because it gives the appearance that the money given out is directly related to the submission fee. that is not necessarily bad but it would be nice to know if this is the case. if not, where is the money coming from? how is it meted out? what, if any, guarantees are in place that money is actually being given out at all or that the contest isn't rigged in some way? is it a ploy to get as many five dollar bills from as many people as possible? how can the participant be sure? the overall feel of the site is amateur and the about page, with it's reference to oprah and habitat for humanity, seems like a way to legitimize the venture (kinda like name dropping of people you don't really know but have heard of). i don't mean this to be harsh and i'm sure that's not the intention of the sitebut...it's the way it reads to me. it has the appearance of dodginess. even the name suggests something suspicious. it is, afterall, the name of a famous robber. On 15-Dec-06, at 9:22 PM, Nox Dineen wrote: Jan, I wasn't clear about the winnings. I took the lazy route and wrote $10k rather than adding the zeros. The winners in both Naughty and Nice categories will get $10,000. Would it be more appealing if we removed the whole wish granting aspect and just made it about who could produce the best/funniest/most amazing video? I do also agree that having people pay to submit is probably not the best revenue model, but it was discussed before I began working with the company and much of the team consider it a done deal already. The benefit is that we're trying to encourage higher quality submissions, and having to shell out the $5 means a person has to have some confidence that their submission stands a chance at winning. Thanks for the comments. (And apologies about the laziness typing numbers and URLs.) Nox On 12/15/06, Jan / The Faux Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am not inspired by the concept in the least. Pay $5 in order to maybe get $10? I don't think so. Robin Hood works if Met Life is the sponsor. If Met Life is the sponsor, then folks don't have to pay to enter. Glenda the Good Witch would work as wish-granting icon, but she's copyrighted. Year-round-Santa? Perpetual Santa? Good luck, though, I support the idea of making wishes come true wholeeartedly $10 wishes will be difficult to come by. Hot dogs sodas for me and two friends, please. Jan P.S. Were you to type in the whole http address one could just click it in the email. http://www.robinhoodfund.com - like so. On 12/14/06, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED]BillCammack% 40alum.mit.edu wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Nox Dineen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently started working at an Internet startup that is looking to create a video website based around the concept of people submitting wishes in video format, and then granting the wishes with the most votes on a weekly or monthly basis. The site is at www.robinhoodfund.com (although we're considering moving away from the Robin Hood theme), and quite frankly I hate it. It's ugly, user hostile and doesn't exactly prompt immediate action. I agree that Robin Hood is a poor choice for something like this. :D The idea is a good one, but Robin Hood implies strongarming funds from one person in order to give them to another person. The question then is who's getting strongarmed? and why do they 'deserve' to lose out so someone else can benefit? Tell whomever thought that up to watch the movie again and pick a different hero. :D -- Bill C. http://ems.blip.tv -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Nox 2.0 (blog) -- http://www.noxdineen.com Nox TV (vlog) -- http://www.noxdineen.com/vlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Wow: Songbird media web player - is this as amazing as it looks?
that is sweet, Steve! checking it out now... On 16-Nov-06, at 12:48 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: SOngbird, 'the firefox of media players' combines local media and web media playback. Ive not installed it yet but it looks like it possibly is an amazing development along the lines that many here have dreamed of. Yes I am overexcited right now, who knows if Ive got carried away, I cant begint o describe the features. Check out the video of what it can do. Oh my! Please let it be true, wow. http://www.songbirdnest.com/screencast/ Steve Elbows PS. Did this video just mention a mp3 blog search engine called elbows? if so its no relation to me, might have to change my silly nickname to avoid confusion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging
peccadillogood word!On 6/2/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing here to vlog. Every six months or so, Shannon likes to start a flame war. It's an entertaining peccadillo, and whoever bites, bites . Jan McLaughlin wrote: Ahem - vlog it, gentlemen, ladies. Vlog the shit out of it.If you will be so kind.Jan SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] It's a girl!!!!!!!
congrats, Andy!!On 6/2/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Introducing Kayleigh India Carvin:http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/06/its_a_girl.htmlBorn at 10:34pm ET on Friday, June 2, 2006 in Boston, Massachusetts. Five pounds, 12 ounces, screams like a Beatles groupie, has my hairbefore I started losing it, as well as my impatient temperament.Mother and child are resting comfortably while I obsessively uploadphotos to flickr at three in the morning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/andycarvinThis is the first of what I'm sure will be thousands of videos ofKayleigh. That is, until she's old enough to hold the camera and turn it on us. With a vlogger and a documentary maker as parents, you'dthink it would be inevitable. :-)I'll try to upload more videos over the weekend.freakin' proud as hell,andy Andy Carvinacarvin (at) edc . organdycarvin (at) yahoo . comhttp://www.andycarvin.comhttp://www.digitaldivide.net http://www.pbs.org/learningnow-- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free.http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Jet Set Show - New videoblog for the kid in all of us
awesome zadi! very good production quality!On 6/2/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is awesome Zadi! Very well done.Infinity+1 News!! =)On 6/2/06, Zadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, some of you know I've been working hard on a new videoblog show for the past couple of months... and it's finally up and running! It's a videoblog for kids (and the kid in all of us) with new stuff every Thursdays and Fridays (interviews, d.i.y. workshops, sketches, etc). It's something I've been wanting to do for a very looong time and I've gotten awesome support from Andrew and Amanda. I love kids, working with kids, video, and just plain being a kid, so what better way to celebrate that than through vlogging? Okay, so go to http://jetsetshow.com and let me know what ya think... I'm excited, it's so much fun to do! :) Best, Zadi http://jetsetshow.com http://smashface.com/vlog http://vidlicious.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted TagamiFounding Partner Universus Networks, LLCU N I V E R S U S . N E TVideo Bloggers Podcasting Vloggercon.com - San FranciscoJune 10th and 11th, 2006 SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging
these are things i think about all of the time. thanks for sharing the thought, shannon.On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bad link. try again.something wacky occured.http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/36871/ On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know,sometimes I look at my own expressions and the content of my work, as well as many others here, and think how shallow and meaningless much of what we do is. We put our own meaning on it as it really has none of it's own. It is all enculturated. We make it up for or own selves to get what we want from others. I feel that way when I look at something like this: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/36871/and ponder.-shannon SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging
hey shannon,i'm a wee bit confused about your thoughts on meaning as meanings are always ascribed and never innate. there is no inherent meaning in anything. 'shallow is a judgement you are ascribing to the meaning. it's also interesting to watch you manipulate with this thread so that you exist. i exist because of media. i am the media. the media is the message. i am the message.blah, blah, blah and pass the booze. On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know,sometimes I look at my own expressions and the content of my work, as well as many others here, and think how shallow and meaningless much of what we do is. We put our own meaning on it as it really has none of it's own. It is all enculturated. We make it up for or own selves to get what we want from others. I feel that way when I look at something like this: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/36871/and ponder.-shannon SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging
why is it interesting to you?because everything is interesting to me. On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: busted.why is it interesting to you?you are correct on the use of judgement.i'm looking for mistakes from the likes of yourself to find holes in my vernacular.so that i can be more aware of my own mistakes in vlogs to come. thanks for the observations.On 6/3/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey shannon,i'm a wee bit confused about your thoughts on meaning as meanings are always ascribed and never innate. there is no inherent meaning in anything. 'shallow is a judgement you are ascribing to the meaning. it's also interesting to watch you manipulate with this thread so that you exist. i exist because of media. i am the media. the media is the message. i am the message.blah, blah, blah and pass the booze. On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know,sometimes I look at my own expressions and the content of my work, as well as many others here, and think how shallow and meaningless much of what we do is. We put our own meaning on it as it really has none of it's own. It is all enculturated. We make it up for or own selves to get what we want from others. I feel that way when I look at something like this: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/36871/and ponder.-shannon SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Wired: Yahoo Video Mimics YouTube
i think that the size of the viewership will be a big determinating factor in choosing one of these embedded player hosting sites to host video on...and i think that the size of the viewership is largely determined by the type of content permitted at the site. i think that youtube is big because most of their viewership is there for porn/dancing girl and funny videos (bootlegged content or otherwise). people who want their videos viewed in the largest arena will choose a site like youtube to host it. if yahoo has a policy that is as open as youtube, they will be able to compete. otherwise, they will never get the numbers that youtube generates. somehow, i'm not so sure that yahoo will be as open though. they have had run-ins in the past with chat. i know that yahoo chat lost huge numbers when they clamped down on chat rooms and closed user rooms.i'm sure there will be some that will prefer to be hosted by other sites but, unless yahoo opens up in terms of content, i dont' see a mass exodus. mind you, i saw that they are also going to be a directory for off-site content. if they don't censor that content, it might help boost the number of viewers. hard to say what impact that would have on those looking for hosting services. as for spam...is it spam to put your vids up on all hosting services or is it spreading your content around? not sure about the use of the word spam in this context...rss is definitely preferable to those who use it. unfortunately, the number of people using it is still quite low. i don't know if the majority of people watching online videos are concerned enough about it for rss formats to have an impact. i have three teenaged kids who are well aware of rss but opt for youtube instead. i have no idea why. On 5/31/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe spam vloggers will emerge and start posting the same video to all of the free services to gain maximum exposure?I think this already exists.Not sure if all of it is spam (some of it is), but I know people try to seed videos in many of these clip sharing communities.Ultimately, it will be your RSS feed that should syndicate your videosinto all these various services or personalized aggregators, etc... or so i'd like to think.-JoshOn 5/31/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An article was just posted on Wired.com about Yahoo Video and how they are going to start hosting user videos (aka mimic YouTube). http://www.wired.com/news/wireservice/0,71043-0.html What will drive the average user to post their video to one service over the other?I assume each will have very similar feature sets. If a user ultimately wants to embed the video somewhere else, will it even matter where they host? Maybe spam vloggers will emerge and start posting the same video to all of the free services to gain maximum exposure? -- Matt http://www.vlogmap.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/vlogmap Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Wired: Yahoo Video Mimics YouTube
yes. it's those limitations that I am referring to when I say that it's preferrable. until it actually impedes user's in great numbers from viewing content, though, i dont' think it will have any great impact on sites like youtube. as a viewer, i don't own a tivo, an ipod, psp or a cellphone so it doesn't much matter to me how the content is presented (although i absolutely can't stand autostart vids!)as a producer, however, i do care whether or not my videos are rss compatible and i prefer that they are. videobloggers might be more inclined to care about rss. i don't think it's particularly important to large numbers of video uploaders though...not yet, anyway. many video hosting sites don't seem to be too concerned about it either and, imagine, they won't be until their uploaders/viewers demand it.On 5/31/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rss is definitely preferable to those who use it. unfortunately, the number of people using it is still quite low. i don't know if the majority of people watching online videos are concerned enough about it for rss formats to have an impact. i have three teenaged kids who are well aware of rss but opt for youtube instead. i have no idea why. I don't necessarily think RSS is preferrable -- its just different.With YouTube and other video portal sites you can browse around easier.But, you don't get the same ability to syndicate. So for creators it will eventually be limiting until YouTube and the other sites begin tothink beyond the web.RSS will be built into your Tivo, iPod, cell phone, etc... many sitesand services today already support it and its only a matter of time before it becomes pretty much de facto.I guess what I'm trying to say is that RSS is not only about end usersviewing stuff in a News Reader application even though that is howmany of us experience it today. RSS is also used as connective tissue behind the scenes of many current and future web services.-JoshOn 5/31/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that the size of the viewership will be a big determinating factor in choosing one of these embedded player hosting sites to host video on...and i think that the size of the viewership is largely determined by the type of content permitted at the site. i think that youtube is big because most of their viewership is there for porn/dancing girl and funny videos (bootlegged content or otherwise). people who want their videos viewed in the largest arena will choose a site like youtube to host it. if yahoo has a policy that is as open as youtube, they will be able to compete. otherwise, they will never get the numbers that youtube generates. somehow, i'm not so sure that yahoo will be as open though. they have had run-ins in the past with chat. i know that yahoo chat lost huge numbers when they clamped down on chat rooms and closed user rooms. i'm sure there will be some that will prefer to be hosted by other sites but, unless yahoo opens up in terms of content, i dont' see a mass exodus. mind you, i saw that they are also going to be a directory for off-site content. if they don't censor that content, it might help boost the number of viewers. hard to say what impact that would have on those looking for hosting services. as for spam...is it spam to put your vids up on all hosting services or is it spreading your content around? not sure about the use of the word spam in this context... rss is definitely preferable to those who use it. unfortunately, the number of people using it is still quite low. i don't know if the majority of people watching online videos are concerned enough about it for rss formats to have an impact. i have three teenaged kids who are well aware of rss but opt for youtube instead. i have no idea why. On 5/31/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe spam vloggers will emerge and start posting the same video to all of the free services to gain maximum exposure? I think this already exists. Not sure if all of it is spam (some of it is), but I know people try to seed videos in many of these clip sharing communities. Ultimately, it will be your RSS feed that should syndicate your videos into all these various services or personalized aggregators, etc... or so i'd like to think. -Josh On 5/31/06, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An article was just posted onWired.com about Yahoo Video and how they are going to start hosting user videos (aka mimic YouTube). http://www.wired.com/news/wireservice/0,71043-0.html What will drive the average user to post their video to one service over the other?I assume each will have very similar feature sets. If a user ultimately wants to embed the video somewhere else, will it even matter where they host? Maybe spam vloggers will emerge and start posting the same video to all of the free services to gain maximum exposure? -- Matt http://www.vlogmap.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/vlogmap Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Why aren't you selling your Videos?
i actually don't mind the spam that comes in here. gives me new sites to check out. lots of times they're crappy but sometimes i find something postworthy.On 6/1/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else feel this was spam? Or just me? We have guidelines aroundspamming with your products.PeterOn 6/1/06, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hot or Not meets YouTube for mobile phone content.Post, rate, and sell ringtones, wallpapers, cartoons and videos. Get votes, float to the top, sell. The 'sell' part is what's unique here. Interesting. Hey, Bill, don't suppose you work for these folks, do ya? Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:07 PM, William Volk wrote: Every day people are selling their own videos into the $5B mobile market. If you have independent content, why aren't you taking advantage of this? See http://www.mynumo.com Read about it here: http://mobilecrunch.com/2006/05/18/mynumo-democratizes-mobile-content- creati on-distribution-and-sales/ Thanks, BillYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now.http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Canadians at Vloggercon (was: Let's finish what we've started!!!) (Was: Re: I'm
i wish we could, Mike. i dont' think we're allowed to bring it over the borderare we? kinda wanted to bring some okanagan wines with us but not sure how that would fly (pun:)On 5/30/06, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going, but take some real beer with you.Mike eh!http://vlog.mikemoon.net--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sure am...can't wait.yourself, Anne, myself, Casey and Rudymakes 5...that I am aware of.I've been meaning to ask this questionas well. All you Canadians going to vloggercon, sound off.We'll have tomake sure we all get together at Schlomo's or something and toast toour Yankee hosts or something. thers also Philip: http://www.swordfight.org Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Cell: 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free.See how.http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Who Wants to Play tonight (Saturday) in San Francisco?
argh. i'm so jealous! you must be having a blast, jan. do bad things in my name so that i can live vicariously through you. :)On 5/28/06, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah, wish you were here, Tim D. We're having a great time finding our place / way in SF.What a town!XO,Jan--http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - soundhttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetryhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediaOn May 27, 2006, at 8:08 PM, Tim D wrote:Damn this 3-hour time difference!Hope you all are having a good time! Tim--- realitysandwich.typepad.com wearethemedia.com On 5/27/06, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus and I are chomping at the bit for some San Francisco fun tonightand tomorrow.Who's available / wants to hang out? Jan-- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Working Stiff - new indie movie vlog/cast
hi greg,great way to release an indie film! congrats!On 5/25/06, gmjoyce_y [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,People on this group have asked about indie filmmakers and their workfor a while now. After a lot of prepping and some generous technical help from people in this group, I'm ready to start.I'm showing my independent movie, Working Stiff, a few minutes eachweekday, online. It's feature-length, so showing it should last abouta month. There are two venues for the movie: I'm using Brightcove for one. I'm sure some people here know about these guys. Steve Garfieldinterviewed Jeremy Allaire a while ago. Brightcove has a niftyinterface and right now the service is free. They use Flash. (I didtwo pass conversion and it looks really good.) It's a great service and their support has been first-rate.I'm also doing a downloadable QT/iPod version.I may do a writer-director's vlog in the future where I blog aboutthe experience of making the movie (heaven and hell, in unequal measures) what to do, what NOT to do, what I wish I knew before Istarted, that sort of thing. Depends if people are interested and ifI can find the time.Anyway, please feel free to leave comments at the blog—-like I have to prompt THIS group-- ;-)Hope you like it.GregQT/download blog is athttp://projectworkingstiff.com/WorkingStiffBlog/nfblog/ Main page/Brightcove player is at: http://projectworkingstiff.comThey're linked together so you can go back and forth if you like. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Vlog that made you go.........
Master Wayne? now i'm confused...On 5/24/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Casey wipes the tears from her eyes]Woah... okay, I see what you mean now.Caseyhttp://www.galacticast.com/--- In
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stupid me, I put the wrong post in, (not that wasn't a good one as well, but it was the one Called Became a Nurse from that archive
page...that one makes more sense with the rest of my comments --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Casey McKinnon caseymckinnon@ wrote:
Wow... that was ingenious. Bekah has got to be my new favorite vlogger!I think if I showed more of my goofy side, my vlog would look more like hers...
Casey http://www.galacticast.com/--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Heath heathparks@ wrote: The whole remember your first time thing got me thinking and I was just wondering myself, what was the ONE vlog episode that
really got you.The one where you sat up and really noticed, something that moved you, or made you angery or just made you go hmm.Something that sticks with you to this day, the one you point more people to
than any other...well hopefully you get the idea... Here is mine
http://missbhavens.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_missbhavens_archive.html It was the first time I saw the real side of someone in the vlogshere, to be honest I'm not completly sure why it has stuck with me. I
had seen other personal vlogs before, but this one still sticks with me, it made me care, it just moved me, that's all I can say I guess, it made me realize what vlogging could do.
Just curious about your moment Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com
SPONSORED LINKS
Fireant
Individual
Typepad
Use
Explains
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Vlog that made you go.........
oh, indeed. perfectly clear!On 5/24/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Wayne is Batman's real name and his butler calls him MasterWayne..it's a comic geek thing..some have the whole techgeek thing we have the comic geek thing...and the fact I call myself the Batman Geek.THAT should clear things up.Heath - Batman Geekhttp://batmangeek7.blogspot.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Master Wayne? now i'm confused... On 5/24/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Casey wipes the tears from her eyes] Woah... okay, I see what you mean now. Casey http://www.galacticast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Stupid me, I put the wrong post in, (not that wasn't a good one as well, but it was the one Called Became a Nurse from thatarchive page...that one makes more sense with the rest of mycomments --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Casey McKinnon caseymckinnon@ wrote: Wow... that was ingenious. Bekah has got to be my new favorite vlogger!I think if I showed more of my goofy side, my vlogwouldlook more like hers... Casey http://www.galacticast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: The whole remember your first time thing got me thinkingand I was just wondering myself, what was the ONE vlog episode that really got you.The one where you sat up and really noticed,something that moved you, or made you angery or just made you go hmm. Something that sticks with you to this day, the one you point more peopleto than any other...well hopefully you get the idea... Here is mine http://missbhavens.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_missbhavens_archive.html It was the first time I saw the real side of someone in the vlogshere, to be honest I'm not completly sure why it has stuck with me. I had seen other personal vlogs before, but this one still stickswith me, it made me care, it just moved me, that's all I can say I guess, it made me realize what vlogging could do. Just curious about your moment Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow.http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Sexism Mash-Up Video Response
ya know i love itOn 5/22/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great video KentOn 5/22/06, kentbye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife and I put together a compilation video with our responses to the earlier sexism thread: http://www.ebbandflow.tv/blog/index.php/2006/05/20/lets-do-something-different/ Jay suggested that I pass it along here as well. Enjoy -Kent Jen http://www.ebbandflow.tv SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlonhttp://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.comhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Mash Ups and Licensing
hi monika,jan is right. just send them off a note and ask!if there is no notice on a work, it is assumed that it is under full copyright (at least, in canada that's true. not sure about the states), but some people just might not think of it or think much about copyright so you can't be sure. asking is never a bad idea and it can also get you hits when your vid comes out!have fun!On 5/20/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Write and ask the creator if the license isn't clearly stated. That's my best advice.Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more.http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movementhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - arthttp://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html -filmmaker- Original Message - From: monika_lyman [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Mash Ups and LicensingI am working on a piece that is going to include a short mash up.This is the first time I am attempting this, so I am prettyclueless...I have noticed that some people have CC license included in the video itself or as a banner on the site.In some other cases, I seeneither.I tried looking at the RSS feed but I don't see it there.If I don't see anything, should I assume that it'scopyrighted and leave it be?I do not want to violate anyone's preferred licensing.Is there someplace else I should be looking?Thanks for your help,Monikahttp://nurse2be.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New Member with Questions
i highly recommend foureyedmonsters.comthey are a couple of filmmakers that also have a videoblog. it is most excellent. they are using the web in wonderful ways to get their film shown. On 5/20/06, brandenburg_wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must know Schlomo then.He came to one of my classes and gave apresentation.He's the only reason I see vlogging as a viable meansof promoting a filmmaker's work.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi wayne. welcome wayne! i imagine you will get many great responses and here are a few of myfav's. i also wanted to invite you to join us at vloggercon in SF on june 10-11.Please tell your friends. http://vloggercon.com some fav eposodics: http://www.human-dog.com has several (summer of van torre, etc.) http://feeds.feedburner.com/ChasingWindmills markus sandy p.s., i was with a team of vloggers that gave a presentation at your school last year.you guys have a great facility there. brandenburg_wayne wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a student at the Academy of Art University in San Francisco, CA. I'm interested in making web episodic shows.I was wondering if anyone here has any good examples of current web episodic shows.I am working on getting my own vlog up as the instructions on the main page of this group suggests.I hope to get my films up so others can see my work.Are there any other aspiring filmmakers here?I'd love to watch your work.I'm of the mindset that one can never stop learning and there is no better teacher than one's peers. Thank you, WayneYahoo! Groups Links -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Michelle Malkin's Vlog
yup. wrote about it a while backhttp://tinyurl.com/fu6snyou simply must check out the terms of service! it's hilarious and oh, so typical. On 5/18/06, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found out about that Michelle Malkin has a vlog:http://hotair.com/This is bizarre - their format choices I mean. It's golf hottie meetsright-wing think tank. David Duke et al redressed for the 21st century neo-MTV generation. God. so that's where internet video is headed?Yes. I do think so. Unfortunately once again the mega-corporations andthe ultra-conservative crazies jump on the new-technology bandwagon long before the masses of everyday people and the artists / non-profits/ power-to-the-people people. This is why I want us all to keep askingwhat format do we each want to use?? Why?? Don't just copy blindly... jenjenSimmonshttp://www.jensimmons.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
hey jan,loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps, primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause. currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the women of worth.this campaign has been around for a while (part of the because i'm worth it campaign). On 5/16/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they mustthink us, is what I think with most television advertising.Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh. Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more.http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movementhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - arthttp://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html -filmmaker- Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current ContradictionI haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'mnot sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAsfrom Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comesacross as trying to save face.L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killingthousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is acosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making womenfeel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link realwork done by women with their products.Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay$1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser.JoshOn May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote:I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello BiafraYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free.http
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VloggerCon on air in Europe?
i think that would be too cool! by that i mean great.On 5/16/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno this would be great I think. But you need to email SchlomoRabinowitz or Jay Dedman about this. I know that we are going to have cameras at least recording each session (and maybe streaming) maybeyou can pull that feed. But you really need to talk to them. I'll sendyou their email addresses off list if they don't see this message. Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bruno \(Nessuno\)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, we would love to live broadcast the vloggercon in europe for all the people who will not be able to fly to SF. We would be happy to use our satellite channel and other stations of our network; the only thing we need is a good streaming signal from the Swedish American Hall. It couldbe a way to make the vloggercon visible on a global scale and I am sure itwill not affect the participation on stage. Whom should we talk with? Thanks in advance, Bruno Pellegrini Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
true, Josh, they are paying something for the commercials. i thought it was about giving to the women of worth. guess i got confused.On 5/16/06,
Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anne, while Current TV might cut the check, I'm pretty certain theL'Oreal payed Current sum massive sum of money that more than coversthe $1000 that Current will be dishing out. So I'd say L'oreal *is*compensating folks. Further, if the video someone made was picked up
outside of Current, that person would be paid for their commercial toair on other stations, but that check wouldn't come from Currentanymore, it'd either come from L'Oreal, or some company they hadcontracted with to write the checks.
JoshOn May 16, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Anne Walk wrote: hey jan, loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps,
primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause. currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the
women of worth. this campaign has been around for a while (part of the because i'm worth it campaign). On 5/16/06, Jan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh.
Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement
http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com
- literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/
iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but
I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes
across as trying to save face. L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it
is a cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link realwork done by women with their products.
Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser.
Josh On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on
the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP
commercial for the environment.On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it
diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they
know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging
community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in?
Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and
considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think?
Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to
peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email
arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-Yahoo! Groups Links
-- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging
Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 --
http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web.
▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use
Re: [videoblogging] 2 new videoblogs
very cool, Jay!On 5/16/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just took a trip to the east coastand funny enough, a couple ofmy friends are now videblogging.Its funny because these were people who heard me ramble aboutvideoblogging for the past two years. Now they're doing it. 1. http://roboshithead.blogspot.comMy friend Chuck makes these cool videos with his friendshe has alot of stuff to post.2. My friend Andrew just made this for a groupo he works with: http://damnyc.blogspot.comThe word is spreading.jay___MNN Youth Channel would like to let you know that we are now postingvideo clips and media literacy commentary online for you to see and use !!! CHECK OUT THE DEFENSE AGAINST MEDIA NONSENSE BLOG: http://damnyc.blogspot.com If you are familiar with the work of Youth Channel, you probably know about D.A.M.N. YC News, which is a monthly television program producedby the peer trainers and youth producers at Manhattan NeighborhoodNetwork.In the past the show has highlighted youth perspectives ontopics ranging from youth conferences and political conventions, to sex, censorship, and police brutality.Now, the show goes on!, and D.A.M.N.is expanding on to the internet by posting individual segments AS theyare produced and media commentary and analysis from the YC Peer Training Program.We are hoping to build an online audience and inspire youthreporters and media critics around the globe. You can help by sharingour link with your network(s), posting it on your website, or justtelling your friends! Defense Against Media Nonsense is on TV too!!--Channels 34/107 in Manhattanalternate Sundays (2pm) and Mondays (6:30pm) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now.http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] poke the possum
thanks for the chuckle Adrian. we have a show in Canada called Talking to Americans you might enjoy. all in good fun :)On 5/14/06, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi allsorry for subject, that's an Australianism. Just thought I'd add fuelto recent fire round here: our Prime Minister is currently visited MrShrub in the white house. Australian flag apparently flying outside. Vox pops asking people what flag do they think it is. Now, I'd besurprised if anyone gets it, but one guy Is it the Canadian flag?.Now, um, I'm sure they really asked a 100 to get that onequintessential moment, but really. --cheersAdrian Milesthis email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x]hypertext.RMIT URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/admin/briefEmail.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom theyknow who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company toprofile women who are working to improve the world they live in?Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the workthey are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered anadvertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the projectmight otherwise have?What do you think?Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace.Power to the peaceful!Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is Your Definition of TV
hi sull,as you say, no one can control the direction of content (that may change shortly and i'm curious to see how discussions will reflect that change). there is a difference in my mind between controlling the direction (impossible, currently) and critiquing it. no one that i know of is trying to prevent anything. On 5/15/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i'd say this is in tune with my head.a few good shows here and therebut i was watching 90% HBO (though there season scheduling is pisses me off).the last show i was hooked on outside of HBO was X-Files. besides watching every single episode of six feet under, i think 'The Wire' is one of the best shows i've seen in a while. worth back watching on DVD if anyone hasnt seen it.was into West Wing sporatically and watched the finale last night. my in-laws were making fun of it the whole time because nothing happened :oi think the purpose of my asking this question is to clarify a bit of the debates around TV and Videoblogs. TV the content TV the business TV the technology etc... The fear of TV contaminating the vlogosphere... stems from the content and business aspects. I believe people should talk about it and i dont want any more bad content than anyone else (although bad and good content is based on individual opinions as we see in this thread). I certainly dont want the vlogosphere to be less free and controlled as TV is. This latter issue is much more worthy of my focus... because nothing can be done about the content issue beyond better attention filters. Trying to prevent content from pouring in is the wrong approach... wrong in more than one way. The issue of controlling entities... that is a real serious concern. that is where we should all be focusing our attention. Not... - thats not a vlog, this is a vlog no its not yes it is its a show its a vlog its a vodcast now a videoblog - blah blah. i am all for being the mediums police but not at all interested in policing peoples content. i hope that more people see it this way one day.sull On 5/14/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - manipulation- repetition- lowest common denomenator- propaganda- a conveyor or red herrings- a battleground for our souls- an addiction- ill-usedCable, no, not just cable but HBO is much better. I watch HBO's shows, but on DVD. I don't pay for cable. My name is Jan and I'm a recoveringtelevision addict.Television is one reason why I joined the ranks of the faux press.Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html . -filmmaker- Original Message -From: usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:24 PMSubject: [videoblogging] Re: What is Your Definition of TV For the defenition of TV is;Negative;-A load of censored crap.-Lots of sickening medical commercials at dinertime.-1 hour for a 15 minutes show.-Big waste of time.-Governmental lies over and over again and called news. Positive-Shows my DVD's-Shows rented uncensored moviesBlipshttp://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Michael Sullivan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just want to dredge out what you think of first when you think of TV (excluding the bube tube you watch video on of course ;-) thnX -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is Your Definition of TV
thankfully, some organized efforts have been made to try and stop the degrading of the open internet and bandwidth usage which is what the videoblogging medium is obviously very much dependent onagreed, sull. without the ability to participate unimpeded, this discussion would be a moo point (like a cow's opinion. it doesn't matter). ha! there! a television reference! back on track! :)On 5/15/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: critiquing is definately needed and i am glad that you, devlon and many others do this regularly. i think some have linguistically tried to prevent certain types of content from sharing this space. arguments like rocketboom is not a vlog come to mind. it starts with interpretive language and tends to evolve into arguments over content.in the context of videoblogging people have sad things like 'this is not what this is about'when responding to videos that are not fitting into certain idealogies and its been common to not call such a 'channel' a vlog because of its content and instead just call it internet TV shows in order to somehow preserve 'vlog' as a special medium for better content that does not resembled TV. so, yeah, its all linguistic linguine at the end of the day. no one that i know of is trying to prevent anything. right...not a true effort. no organized activity around the stopping of bad content.but plenty of discusouse... i dont know, maybe talk is cheap so therefore no one is actually trying to prevent anything i guess it depends on how you look at the chatter. thankfully, some organized efforts have been made to try and stop the degrading of the open internet and bandwidth usage which is what the videoblogging medium is obviously very much dependent on.sull On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi sull,as you say, no one can control the direction of content (that may change shortly and i'm curious to see how discussions will reflect that change). there is a difference in my mind between controlling the direction (impossible, currently) and critiquing it. no one that i know of is trying to prevent anything. On 5/15/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i'd say this is in tune with my head.a few good shows here and therebut i was watching 90% HBO (though there season scheduling is pisses me off).the last show i was hooked on outside of HBO was X-Files. besides watching every single episode of six feet under, i think 'The Wire' is one of the best shows i've seen in a while. worth back watching on DVD if anyone hasnt seen it.was into West Wing sporatically and watched the finale last night. my in-laws were making fun of it the whole time because nothing happened :oi think the purpose of my asking this question is to clarify a bit of the debates around TV and Videoblogs. TV the content TV the business TV the technology etc... The fear of TV contaminating the vlogosphere... stems from the content and business aspects. I believe people should talk about it and i dont want any more bad content than anyone else (although bad and good content is based on individual opinions as we see in this thread). I certainly dont want the vlogosphere to be less free and controlled as TV is. This latter issue is much more worthy of my focus... because nothing can be done about the content issue beyond better attention filters. Trying to prevent content from pouring in is the wrong approach... wrong in more than one way. The issue of controlling entities... that is a real serious concern. that is where we should all be focusing our attention. Not... - thats not a vlog, this is a vlog no its not yes it is its a show its a vlog its a vodcast now a videoblog - blah blah. i am all for being the mediums police but not at all interested in policing peoples content. i hope that more people see it this way one day.sull On 5/14/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - manipulation- repetition- lowest common denomenator- propaganda- a conveyor or red herrings- a battleground for our souls- an addiction- ill-usedCable, no, not just cable but HBO is much better. I watch HBO's shows, but on DVD. I don't pay for cable. My name is Jan and I'm a recoveringtelevision addict.Television is one reason why I joined the ranks of the faux press.Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html . -filmmaker- Original Message -From: usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:24 PMSubject: [videoblogging] Re: What is Your Definition of TV For the defenition of TV is;Negative;-A load of censored crap.-Lots of sickening medical commercials at dinertime.-1 hour for a 15 minutes show.-Big waste of time
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Brouhaha video links at WATM
a day or two late but here's my brouhaha related vidhttp://tinyurl.com/oy8pxOn 5/12/06, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Added --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one to add to the list please Jonny: http://8bitme.blogspot.com/2006/05/my-comments-to-ism-thread.html On 5/11/06, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put together links to all the videos relating to the brouhaha that I could find Here: http://wearethemedia.com/2006/05/11/isms-brouhaha-in-the-vlogosphere-2/ If I left any videos out, let me know and I'll update the article. SPONSORED LINKS Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=9OOEc0FndaSrZhcGP9B0FA Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=95kPiyX0utggsk9QwKxV-w Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=mOj_Rib6MbsFKGpPQ8b4Vg Explainshttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Explainsw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=2nX88YAu-OvryCSd54cZHQ -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS -Visit your groupvideoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. -To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] What is Your Definition of TV
i don't watch tv at all anymore. i used to watch buffy but when it ended, i died a little inside. it was a communal activity. my daughters got me watching it and my best friend as well. he would watch at his house and every commercial, my phone would ring because he needed to discuss. it was fun. i'm a major treckie. seen them all multiple times (except for enterprise. what the hell was that all about??)i used to watch six feet under and loved it.my favorite channel is showcase (canadian). i used to watch trading spaces for vern. sigh. i miss vern.i still watch colbert, but only online now.love that quote duncan and it crosses over into every area. the technology for change is there. doesn't mean it will be used for change. On 5/12/06, Richard BF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just want to dredge out what you think of first when you think of TVArrogance, condescension, regurgitation.And the thing that annoys me even more, is the number of amateursdoing video podcast episodes and trying to emulate all three. The only exception with TV, is some of the more recentmulti-protagonist long story arc drama series, which are great, asthey introduce complex characters and story lines, and actuallyassume that we're intelligent enough to understand them. Regards,Richard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free.See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Sick of the sexism/looking for a ........
Perhaps we should encourage more white males to video blog. They seem to take to it more readily, so our evangelism will be more productive if we focus on the demographic that will respond to outreach.oh charles. i find your comments so irritating. :Pwell, i posted about this fiasco on loadedpun and was called out by charles so i suppose i'll respond and watch the fur fly.here's my take on it.women online are inundated with plenty of innuendo (blatant or not so blatant, depending on appearance) and insult (again, depending on appearance) i have studied internet psychology and relations for many years. most women i know utilize chat because they are able to present themselves as the ideal through the use of nicknames, flirtatious language and stolen pics. voice is also very popular. video is only popular (and then, extremely so) for women who are labeled hot. when a woman is on a webcam, watchers feel it is their right (possibly even duty) to evaluate the woman's appearance and give a critical review. if she is hot, she is obviously a slut. if she refuses to perform for her audience (because, why else would she be on a cam if it wasn't to facillitate someone's jerk off session?), she is called a bitch. if she has been deemed not hot, she is generally called a dog, a fat pig, cow or other barnyard animal. enter video.videoblogging is all about self representation. we call self representation empowering in much the same way that raunch culture calls a teen girls' choice to wear belly shirts and hot pants empowering. but i digress. videoblogging is the new media (and by that, i mean the old media in a smaller window). women who are closer to the ideal of girl, chick, babe,etc, happily cash in on their looks. women further from the ideal, face the difficulty of being unable to create a self representation that mirrors the ideal. what to do? some women vlog anyway, in obscurity for the most part. most won't vlog at all, avoiding the discomfort of a mirror that doesn't return the expected results (an expectation of what it means to be female, according to cosmo, Hollywood, porn, etc) some women get angry and get told that they have a filthy mouth, should quit bitching and should get a sense of humour. it's nice that there are choices. very empowering. ryanne and jay are right. this topic if far too nuanced to get into in any depth on a list. one of the problems is, when you are addressing a very specific topic, you only get a specific answer. my opinions on this matter, for example are quite broad but, in this context, laser precision for brevity (yup. this is the short version!) doesn't afford ambiguity and degrees of opinion. NOTE: as an aside, it is not natural to consider women more attractive than men. it is the result of a patriarchal system. in matriarchal systems, men are considered the objects of desire. they wear colourful outfits, makeup, do up their hair, etc, in an effort of win the favour of the females. that women also find women more attractive than men is a well studied phenomenon called adoption of the male gaze - something we are trained on as youngsters with our colouring books and our barbies and snow white.On 5/11/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Wolf wrote: Instead, I think we have much more to gain by looking at why so many vloggers are white-male and what we can do to encourage and support people outside of this demographic to get involved. Perhaps we should encourage more white males to video blog. They seem to take to it more readily, so our evangelism will be more productive if we focus on the demographic that will respond to outreach. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Sick of the sexism
loverly! f'n A!!On 5/11/06, Lisa Ours [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A entendre' how I adore it.Can't wait to meet you either darlin' sounds like we're gonna have smuch in common)From: Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Sick of the sexismDate: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:43:05 -You're my kinda gal, Lisa... I cunt wait to meet you in person!(I'm sorry... I had to slip that in...) Caseyhttp://www.galacticast.com/--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Ours [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you both Casey and Bill. As the proud posessor of both Boobs and a Uterus as well as a veryhealthy sense of humor I'm simply not easily offended. However I would just like to say that as a Redhead I am easily annoyed... so I was chewing my fingernails off trying to decide whether to respond or not to thisfiasco, entertaining fiasco to be sure, but still. OH and just for the record Paul duck... Women do make Knob jokeswe just don't do it when your around to hear it,after all, we do have animage to uphold *Wink* Laughter, Mirth, and snarky comments for all!! Viva Les Vlog! Daughtershow From: Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Sick of the sexism Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:34:40 -AMEN, Bill!--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: First of all I have to wonder what thread you're reading that couldhave made you this angry. I didn't see a lot of sexism in it, or people saying it was okay, all I saw was people cracking jokes aboutit. If thats all it takes to make you that angry, I'm really sorryabout that. But I think you're reading WAY too much into it--includingreading stuff into it that is not even there, and taking it WAY tooseriously. Are there real problems with sexism in this world? Yup.There are also problems with about a million other things too. If I spent my time making videos about all the things that made me angryevery day I wouldn't have much time for anything else. I do whatI cando about the things I can do something about but that's it. Second this list is not the Vloggesphere just a small part ofit. Avery small part of it. So I don't think it's fair of you toclaim that the entire vloggesphere is a group with that kind of problem.Guesswhat? If you think this is bad, wait till it goes really mainstreamand the racists, and the homophobes and all the other extremists in the world get a hold of it. But that's the world we live inisn't it?Why did you think that the vloggesphere would be any different? Of course I fully understand that based on how you'veinterpreted themessages in the thread in question that you will probably completelymisinterpret everything I just said but I'll take that chance I guess. Oh and I'm sorry to have committed the sin of being born a whiteman.It was a total accident I swear. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Brittany Shootbrittany.s.shoot@ wrote: I'm pretty angry, but please take this in the spirit in whichit is intended. I made a video about how the sexist comments on this listservmade me feel.It's not all in fun, and having just joined the list after resisting for months, I know why I was warned not to botherwith this conversation at all.I'll keep my subscription, but I'llprobably go back to deleting all of the messages.Thanks to onelike-minded female who emailed me to alert me to today's dose of bullshit. Go watch this:http://modernfeminist.blogspot.com/2006/05/sexism-in-vlogosphere.html And thank you to all of the men and women who tried to put astop to all of this.It mostly amazes me what will be said when you know countless people will read these emails...but I guess if you're so unaware that you're being sexist, you may not care. See you at VloggerCon, where I'll be discussing inclusion in the vlogosphere...or lack thereof. Brittany http://bshoot.blogspot.com http://modernfeminist.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Sick of the sexism
a bit of trivia i found a while ago:Fuck is an acronym from the 16-17th centuries as a designation for sins:If a couple committing adultery were Found Under Carnal Knowledge they would be penalized, with FUCK written on the stocks above them to denote the crime. Variants of this include For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, Felonius Use of Carnal Knowledge, Full Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, and Forced Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, a label supposedly applied to the crime of rapeOn 5/11/06, Monique Danielle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, I'm a first generation American, and my relatives, who are actually quite liberal, find American language vulgar and offensive. Also my Indianand Chinese contractors tend to be very proper.I'm not saying Americans are vulgar, just sharing where my view. ...VlogDiva On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:09:28 +0200, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well, really it depends on what country we are talking about... I've never been to Denmark, nor anywhere in Europe for that matter, but it seems like most of Europe has a thicker skin when it comes to be offended to shit like that. Like what being the former representative noun of course. At the same time, I imagine in many countries that with strong amounts of religious fundamentalism, they may more sensitive... I seem to recall a certain incendiary cartoon. It was the torches that were incendiary, the cartoons were just regularpaper. And there were 12 real cartoons and a handful fake ones. :o)That said: Cartoons with the word fuck on them have been published for years with no reactions in Europe (or the Middle East). That's the kind ofprofanity we're talking about. I've never been in a place as uptight about'fuck' as the US (fair is fair: I've only travelled most of Europe and the US midwest). In that victorian way were the public has decided that theword fuck is one of the worst things you can ever hear (and thus it mustbe expelled from all publications and broadcasts), but still everyone runs around in private and uses it extensively (and not one has become aCaligula clone because of it). It's either a bit amusing or a bit tragic,probably both. :o)Fuck, I said 'fuck'. Multiple times even. --Andreas Haugstrup PedersenURL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Sick of the sexism
ah, charles?! why'd you gotta wreck it! i liked the idea of stocks involved! now it's all german.On 5/11/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.htm Anne Walk wrote: a bit of trivia i found a while ago: Fuck is an acronym from the 16-17th centuries as a designation for sins: If a couple committing adultery were Found Under Carnal Knowledge they would be penalized, with FUCK written on the stocks above them to denote the crime. Variants of this include For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, Felonius Use of Carnal Knowledge, Full Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, and Forced Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, a label supposedly applied to the crime of rape On 5/11/06, Monique Danielle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm a first generation American, and my relatives, who are actually quite liberal, find American language vulgar and offensive. Also my Indian and Chinese contractors tend to be very proper. I'm not saying Americans are vulgar, just sharing where my view. ... VlogDiva On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:09:28 +0200, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, really it depends on what country we are talking about... I've never been to Denmark, nor anywhere in Europe for that matter, but it seems like most of Europe has a thicker skin when it comes to be offended to shit like that. Like what being the former representative noun of course. At the same time, I imagine in many countries that with strong amounts of religious fundamentalism, they may more sensitive... I seem to recall a certain incendiary cartoon. It was the torches that were incendiary, the cartoons were just regular paper. And there were 12 real cartoons and a handful fake ones. :o) That said: Cartoons with the word fuck on them have been published for years with no reactions in Europe (or the Middle East). That's the kind of profanity we're talking about. I've never been in a place as uptight about 'fuck' as the US (fair is fair: I've only travelled most of Europe and the US midwest). In that victorian way were the public has decided that the word fuck is one of the worst things you can ever hear (and thus it must be expelled from all publications and broadcasts), but still everyone runs around in private and uses it extensively (and not one has become a Caligula clone because of it). It's either a bit amusing or a bit tragic, probably both. :o) Fuck, I said 'fuck'. Multiple times even. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] golf blog trashes trollop
posted this on loadedpun but thought it would be a good idea to link to it here to as kind of a follow up to the latest heated discussion. i think this helps to clarify things. http://tinyurl.com/ge9c7-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Brouhaha video links at WATM
that's fabulous, jonny! i was gonna do the same thing but now i'll just post a link at loadedpun.On 5/11/06, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I put together links to all the videos relating to the brouhaha that I could findHere:http://wearethemedia.com/2006/05/11/isms-brouhaha-in-the-vlogosphere-2/If I left any videos out, let me know and I'll update the article. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap
i read this list (and sometimes participate) because it comes to my mailbox.i have often thought that a forum would be better because things could be listed by topic and it would be more searchable for people looking for specific information. how many times have we had people come in here and ask a question only to be flamed for not searching the group archives? i think that most members don't post for a couple of reasons. one is that the discussions aren't always conducive to new participation (inside stuff) or overly technical for beginners. newcomers are not privy to the unwritten protocols of the room and are often accused of spamming or are just ignored. another is that a huge percentage of the population doesn't participate in anything! they are the 'read-onlies'. i think that people don't want to try any other format because they feel a sense of ownership with this group...particularly the active posters. why would you want to change something that is working for you? and, yes, josh. it's true. if there was a forum to start up, it would only succeed if it was set up by the vlogging establishment. even then, folks are pretty entrenched in their habits. On 5/9/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the classic 80/20 rule, some may come to the site to join justto plug something and then you never hear from them again, some aredaunted by the tech know how, some may just enjoy the ranting of abunch of slightly off persons.:)But I know I would like a more type of forum thing and I do remember you plugging the forumsyou created, I think for some it may be that they don't want to haveto travel to different sites, once they are hear.I think some ofthe issue with the forum idea that you had, was who else was plugging it?Was there a link on freevlog, and vloggercon or even in thisgroup on the main page.I know that I would like something like a forum listing, (I meant togo back to yours but it got lost in the suffle) where various topics could be addressed rather quickly and easily, David's was pretty goodI thought, and from what I remember usadutch2001's was pretty coollookingI don't know people are lurkers by nature I think, only the alphas have the thick skin to withstand some of the heat that comes withthis group sometimes:)That and to be honest most of the timewhat really gets this group going is very techie issues and ideas that I think that most of the users on this group have NO IDEA whatyou guys and gals are talking aboutI know it is over my headsometimes...ok most of the time.Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.co,--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I was a lurker a long time because the technical level was byond my comfort. I bet there are a lot of lurkers just enjoying every conversation. I think this groups must stay the way it is, a discussion group. And to answers Josh question, I did try to plug a forum with RSS feed, email-messaging with new topics, embeded video, and lots offunctions you will not find in other forums that are geared towards our media. But the result? Just 14 member and 2 Yes 2 posts from others. I have no clue how to get people more involved and what the setupmust be. And what about Vlogchallenge? A great oportunity for vloggers to explore new things.. Try some new ideas but there is no participation. Should we start over and call vlogging something else likeVlogcasting? Now up my number with 1 again. :) Blips http://vlogassist.com http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: I hate to say this, but I think that a message board format maycome in handy to keep one community with separate groups/cliques But ideally it would be great to have an email or RSS feature also... I want to be able to keep up with things going on but i don't want tohave to visit a message board every day... right now we have multiple groups (languages, content, theory, node101, fireant, etc...) I think that one space with divisions is better than multiple spaces... and it may be less intimidating for newbies... but perhaps this is all a brilliant ploy to plug the new vlogmap forums... hmmm anyway... those are my thoughts On 5/9/06, LeanBackVids.com leanbackvids@ wrote: Out of curiosity, I decided take a closer look at the use ofthis Yahoo Group.Here are the results... The last 1,000 messages were analyzed from May 8, 2006 back to April 20, 2006 (18.5 days)... Only 152 unique users posted (7% of the total 2,179 members). Here are the top 50 users by number of posts... 80Michael Sullivan 50Devlon 43Charles Iliya Krempeaux 39David Meade 36Markus Sandy 35Deirdre Straughan 34Michael Verdi 27Andy Carvin 27Casey McKinnon 24robert a/k/a r 23Anne Walk 21Harold Johnson 20Josh Leo 19Joshua Kinberg 18Enric 17David Howell 17Jen Simmons 17Stephanie Bryant 16andrew michael baron 15Andreas Haugstrup
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Promotional Vlogcaster needed-part time
We are looking for a female because our golf audience is mostly male.of course. do you need a full body pose or will a head shot suffice?On 5/9/06, arizpgapro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are looking for a female because our golf audience is mostly male.We could have our opinion altered if we found someone who is good.randy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home pagenow.http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon 2006 Meetup III
sure will, B! we are the media! it'll be the most covered event of all time!On 5/7/06, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will Vloggercon be covered by any of the media?- Standard Model media: TV/PrintCNN, ABC, San Jose Mercury News- Webzines slashdot.org, cnet.com, etc- high profile video-blogs like Rocketboom.comOn May 7, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Ted Tagami wrote: I might miss this one. Kid's B'day. Will make sure I have all my items for the meeting updated regardless. On 5/7/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happening Friday May 12th at Maxfield's House of Caffiene, 3:30 pm. Mark you attendance at upcoming.org: http://upcoming.org/event/76146/;), Enric -===- http://www.cirne.com http://www.cinegage.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiFounding Partner Universus Networks, LLCU N I V E R S U S . N E TVideo Bloggers Podcasting Vloggercon.com - San FranciscoJune 10th and 11th, 2006 SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN
you're right, josh.it's not like a comet hitting the earth. it's like a muzzle.citizen journalists would be silenced. no more inconvenient news would leak. musicians who are making their own music videos and record labels via the net would no longer have that option. it would be the major labels or nothing. filmmakers who are using the net to produce compelling content that hollywood would never touch would have no way to distribute their stuff to a broad audience. small businesses would no longer be able to compete with multinational conglomerates. there would be no new tech products like we're seeing an explosion of with web2.0 companies. innovation would die. power would be in the hands of only a few large entities that would dictate what can and cannot be transmitted on their service (it's not like you can go somewhere else). non-profits would shut down. only politicians with large financial backing would be able to get their messages out. competition in all categories would be wiped out. when that happens, the smaller economies that rely on those smaller companies would also be wiped out. who relies on the net? we all do, whether we think we do or not. even if you never go online, you are reliant on it because all organizations are hooked into it. your bank. your hospital. the stores you shop at. even your church. as for email, you realize that there is a push going on at the same time for e-stamps for email, don't you josh? companies that don't pay up cannot be assured that their email will reach it's final destination. they are considering extending this service to all email. and, remember, we are talking about att as one of these players who would control how information moves across the net and who it gets to. weren't they just outed for helping with the wiretapping campaign? there are ramifications to this that are far reaching - far beyond the ability to post a few fun vids for friends and family. this would effectively change the economic and political map.it's a big deal. On 5/3/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are closing the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... even if it would feature tons of ads and crap like that.I signed the petition, i am against this bill/whatever, but it's not like it is a comet hitting the earth On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realized the same thing this morning, David.The sad thing is thatif the Internet ever crashed, I would lose contact with every singleone of you and I would have to use telephone operators to try to findyour phone numbers.I consider some of my fellow videobloggers to be really good friends, but I have never traded phone numbers with them.If the Internet ever crashed, it would feel like the stock marketcrash... we would all plunge into a great depression.Casey --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: you know the other day when thinking about net neutrality and savetheinternet.com and what not ... I started thinking .. what would we do if they messed up the internet this badly?I started to envision a global darknet with city-wide wireless mesh networks and radio links between cities ... bypassing the backbone all together ... (The Short Wave Radio Operator in me really got excitedabout that) ... Maybe we should really start drafting up plans. :-P -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN
i like this line from the boingboing article you posted, casey: The forest of hundreds of startups gets burned to the ground, and only a few old trees like Yahoo and Microsoft are left standing.it's funny because i just received an alert in my mail that microsoft is in negotiations to buy a huge chuck of yahoo. On 5/3/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops. i was thinking about net neutrality as well. of course, it's all one and same as far as agenda goes. On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Andreas, I'm afraid you and Josh Leo are confusing this with the OTHER threat going on right now.This thread is with regards to theUnited Nations (NOT the US Senate).Link to article (again) for those of you who haven't read it yet: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/f84onJosh, if I'm wrong and you're actually talking about a UN petition, please link me so I can sign as well.I've already signed the Senate petition.Casey--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are closing the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... evenif it would feature tons of ads and crap like that. Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only peoplein the US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.It's not the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside the US. :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Us vs. the UN
oops. i was thinking about net neutrality as well. of course, it's all one and same as far as agenda goes.On 5/3/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No Andreas, I'm afraid you and Josh Leo are confusing this with the OTHER threat going on right now.This thread is with regards to theUnited Nations (NOT the US Senate).Link to article (again) for those of you who haven't read it yet: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/f84onJosh, if I'm wrong and you're actually talking about a UN petition,please link me so I can sign as well.I've already signed the Senate petition.Casey--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:25 +0200, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes, even if this crappy idea goes through it is not like they are closing the internet... we would still be able to email eachother... evenif it would feature tons of ads and crap like that. Just to point out the obvious: This is US legislation, only peoplein the US (or internet traffic going through the US) would be affected.It's not the end of the internet, just the end of a usable internet inside the US. :o) -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] end users are revolting
this reminds me of a card i received once :The peasants are revolting! but you, I like.On 5/3/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:this article has so many fun parts:* youtube user's revolt * the french revolting over itunes* even technology to 'slime' revolting people ;)URL:http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/03/technology/business2_browser0503/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote orhttp://tinyurl.com/nywsmenjoy!--Markus Sandyhttp://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] PodZinger will find spoken words in your video
yeah, i wrote about that a while back on loadedpun. apparently, blinkx.tv also makes this claim.one of the important things about this development - and i hope that search engines pick up the technology - is that it will make video content searchable. people could search horses, for example, and get a video of you horseback riding (if you talk about it. image recognition is a ways off). this is good for vloggers who don't give too much (or no) descriptions of their videos. also, lots of video content touches on multiple topics that you might not think to mention in your description but could be relevant to what someone else is looking for. anneOn 5/2/06, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever searched for a video about a robot with a search engine?Most likely you found videos with the name robot.mov or robot.wmv.Would it not be cool to find a word IN a video?For example find the word ROBOT at Rocketboom; http://www.rocketboom.com/vlog/search.htmlYou will find several occurrences of that word, click on one and thevideo will play, starting around your search word. Rocketboom implemented the PodZinger.com video searchtool that indexesthe spoken words from their video. I think this such a great tool forour vlogs, never seen this before!!PODZINGER will index, search and reference ENGLISH and SPANISH (language tag in RSS file must begin with en or es),that areformatted for audio as MP3 files or for video that are formatted asmp4, mov, m4v, flv, mpg, or mpeg files.Read their FAQ here; http://www.podzinger.com/FAQ.jspblipshttp://vlogmatic.comhttp://vlogassist.com Vloggers resources Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] the constant question of money
hi joanna,whether or not it's selling out is an individual choice, i think.i, personally, find the revver player to be of low quality. i wrote about revver on my site, loadedpun.com a while back because one of the vids that i saw there was cut off by the ad. turns out, however, that the person doing the cutting was the videographer. revver ads wait until the show is over.most video hosting sites will be incorporating ads at the beginning and/or end of videos in order to generate revenue. you're right that most won't make much if any money off it. the hosting site stands to because of volume but individual vloggers won't see much. if i'm not mistaken, with revver, the viewer has to actually click on the ad at the end in order to generate income for the vlogger. i have never clicked on an ad in a video but, perhaps, some do. i don't know what the stats are on it. they also have an affiliate type program whereby, if you host revver vids on your site (even if they are not yours) you can generate income from the ads (not sure if the ads have to be clicked on in that context) hope i've helped.anneOn 4/26/06, rusted.gate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard about revver.com (I'm fairly new to vlogging) and I waswondering what the deal was?How are intrusive are these ads thatthey pin to the end of your videos?And of course it begs the question, what's the point?My page does not generate enough views toever get me any real money so it's certainly not about that... wouldthis be selling-out?I'm sure I'm going to get varied responses, and I apologize for bringing up a potentially dead horse.Just trying to get an idea ofwhat's out there.thanks all.joannarustedgate.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] beautiful person
barbie-doll features??? well. that just about does it for me! lolOn 4/26/06, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Amanda gets the treatment in the latest PAper mag: http://www.papermag.com/freeformimages/2006/bp2006/amanda_congdon.html--- WWWhatsup NYChttp://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com---Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] digg the new videoblogging freevlog book!
yep,yepOn 4/26/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Digg DuggOn 4/26/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on people, some action, let's send a LOT of traffic to Ryanne, Michael and the other's upcoming videoblogging book: go here and click the digg link: http://digg.com/technology/Videoblogging_book_coming_out_ Peter YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted TagamiFounding Partner Universus Networks, LLCU N I V E R S U S . N E TI'm going to Vloggercon! Are you? Vloggercon.com - San FranciscoJune 10th and 11th, 2006 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] useful things for videographers
hi all. i have a page of links on loadedpun called useful things. it's a page of links to resources (tools, tutorials, hardware, software, etc) useful to vloggers and other digital video producers. i have room for about five more permanent links to videomaking resource sites so, if you have any that you'd like to share, please send them my way! (i just put steve's lighting tutorial video on it:) this is the addy: http://loadedpun.com/useful-things/thanks,anne-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!
what kind of vlogs are they looking for? vlogs by women? about women's issues? tv show types? On 4/25/06, Monique Danielle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Show them a link to the 'google girls' webisode of moronlife.comCheersMoniquehttp://www.vlogdiva.com - Techno-Babble Web Design Skithttp://www.vlogchallenge.com - Resurrection Challenge Still Going-Original Message-From: Lisa Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:01 PMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: [videoblogging] ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine,quick!Help!I'm visiting a well-known womens' magazine in NYC on Thursday to talk about blogging.Last minute email from hosts says, Show us some videoblogs!So, if you were going to see the editors of a magazine you've probablyseen on the supermarket store racks, what would you show them? I'll love you guys forever for helping me out on this one!Lisa W.--Lisa Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED]Google Talk: lisatmhPlaces I blog:Lisa Williams' Blog: http://www.cadence90.com/wp/H2otown, a citizen journalism site for Watertownhttp://h2otown.infoOPML Fan, a blog tracking developments in OPML and the OPML Community http://blogs.opml.org/thisislisa/Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: ten videoblogs for national (womens') magazine, quick!
you can try mine at:nopractice.blogspot.com if you like. might not be what they wanna hear though...lolOn 4/25/06, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't normally do this but show them mine...I'm working on showing the Los Angeles that I am experiencing. Thenagain this may disturb New Yawkers. Hmmm. Hell, take a chance.I have a variety of videos, dive in and see what comes up... Genahttp://outonthestoop.blogspot.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz
anybody remember nathan peters' experiment last year?one of the vloggers in the group staged a vlog of his children being taken away (i'm still not even clear on what happened after that episode!) when it was discovered to be an experiment, people were understandably upset. this time around, people seem to be less upset...but that could be because the vlogger in question was not a member of this particular vlogging community.i think it's interesting to explore the ideas of truth and personal representation. i don't know if such heavy handedness is necessary to do so. as for the violence, i agree completely with your impassioned commentary on violence in media and it's use as cathartic proxy. it titillates and then it punishes and we can go on with our lives, our demons sated. one difference between the media representation of violence and Kevin's is that, with Law and Order, we can treat is as entertainment. We already know it is fiction. with kevin, we think he is one of us. anyway, coming from an art backgroud myself, i've seen a lot of stuff like this and yes, you become jaded by it. the art world teaches you not to believe in anything (that's been my experience). i'd like to ask you, jen, if you had seen the video online and did not see the student afterwards, as expected...if he had carried out the experiment more fully and left you and the school in the dark about it (perhaps even had relatives phone in with the bad news), would you still think it an interesting experiment or would it become something else? On 4/24/06, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at theend, it would be genius. :-)I remember camping out in the backyard in high school with my friends.We brought out the cordless phone (yeah, high tech!) and made some prank phone calls.When it was my turn, I pretended I was in jail and desparate totalk to my dad. I woke up some poor guy who obviously wasn't mydad. Oh shit! This is my only phone call I don't know what to do! Rather than hang up, this guy was genuinely anguished over mysituation and sincerely tried to help me.Needless to say, I felt pretty shitty after I hung up. I becamewrapped up in my own prank, my own lie. This guy had an emotional response. I was manipulating his empathy. Andthat's just not fun. It felt wrong because empathy, I think, ispart of our moral core and part our brain chemistry.It's only a matter of time before we see a real drunken death on YouTube. Everyone who has watched Kevin's video willprobably be immediately skeptical, if not dismissive. Whata strange feeling it will be to have that reaction, only to findout the death is real. Yes - it is fascinating I suppose. And of course it's not just Kevin, but our world, saturatedwith media violence.One difference between Kevin's prank and, say, Ian's finalvideo where he's kidnapped - or most advertisements - is whether or not you believe what you're seeing is real.You don't see people die in advertisements. Or if you do, youdon't think it's real. Ian's final video was pretty obviously a joke.So degree and context are big factors in our reactions. You know Kevin and have all this context for his video, not to mention,you know he's not dead. That's quite a different context than we have,and certainly the content of his video is fairly extreme.So in the end, I say all videobloggers must commit mass mock suicide and agree to never believe anything we see in video.(whuuuh?!?)--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well for one I have to disagree that this is worse than the insidious creeping take-over of the vlogosphere imagination by corporate or corporate-copy-cat consumption-oriented / advertisy / product-placementy / slick-is-better / we-all-want-to-be-like-the-media-on-tv trends. I find that WAY more dangerous and problematic. I am wondering myself why I find this fascinating. I am surprised by my own reaction. Perhaps it's because I know Kevin and there's something not-typical about his approach to all the violent weird stupid perverted content that I am way way tired of after teaching student filmmaking in Philadelphia for the last three years. He is handling the same subjects, but somehow there is something else going on too -- perhaps it's just that he's smart and it shows to me, while most of the other students make such work in such a mindless knee-jerk stupid/blind way. I think my reaction is mostly because of a workshop I've been in with Kevin taught by Ralph Lemon where we've been exploring danger and risk and fear all semester. Doing weird things like setting out to drop 40 lb weights on our feet to see how we can't actually drop it on our feet, but will naturally jerk the body out of the way it's impossible, truly impossible to explain this by text, but it's been a great investigation of the fear we who are artists confront every time we try to make art. Artists live on the edge of real danger
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question
thanks for the links, Adrian! very useful info for everyone.On 4/24/06, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:around the 24/4/06 andrew michael baron mentioned about Re:[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question that: Unlike the rest of the albums in the six-LP set produced around thesame time, this album experienced a lapse in copyright and for somereason, perhaps accidentally (I think they simply forgot at the time), the album entered into the public domain.just to confuse matters more. Because it is public domain in onemarket does not mean it is the case in others. The AustralianCopyright Council has an awesome website, which while obviously about local rules does in most cases provide reasonable guides toelsewhere. It has pdfs on pretty much every possible use of material.URL: http://www.copyright.org.au/ URL; http://www.copyright.org.au/specialinterest/film.htm URL: http://www.copyright.org.au/publications/infosheets.htm YMMV--cheersAdrian Milesthis email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x]hypertext.RMIT URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/admin/briefEmail.html Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] .swf or .flv
hi Gene,welcome to the group!if you want to be able to let people see your vids using an aggregator, flash is not the way to go...although i understand fireANT can read them, most others can't.i'd recommend checking out freevlog.org to find out about how to format your vids.On 4/23/06, Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Group,Gene here. I'm just getting started with internet video, and was wondering if flash video is the way to go.If so, can someone advise me of the difference, advantage ordisadvantage between .swf format and .flv format? Which would yourecommend.I have some video software, and can convert .avi files to .swf, but can't convert to .flv.I'd appreciate a little tip.Thanks,GeneYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rolling Stone
congrats to everyone who made the cut!On 4/20/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats Andrew!Or should I send my regards?Perhaps we should start a band of vloggers... hell, we could even callit Band of Vloggers!There's got to be some other vlogger/musiciansout there... I'm a rock singer/guitarist but I've been doing over-the-top air guitar and screaming Metallica hits at karaoke forthe past few years.As long as I entertain, I'm happy.CaseyPS: I guess that means I'm going to buy a copy of Rolling Stone at lunchtime!--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also an article that came out yesterday in Rolling Stone Magazine but I haven't seen it online. Its called: Vlog Stars, Online video bloggers are redefining the worlds of news and entertainment. It mentions Rocketboom, Ask a Ninja, Kitkast, Vlog Soup, A Good Word With the T-Bird. They used a stock photo of Rocketboom so I wound up also pictured in the article. 10 years ago, my greatest dreams and aspirations was to be in the Rolling Stone. As a musician, that's as far as my dreams could go back then. It would include the end-all-dream of being owned by Sony for $2000/month with a bonus of a million dollar debt. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Might be going to Vloggercon...(I hope)
well, i'm decidedly low class and i'm going. don't know what kind of message that sends...heehee.i think it will be great to have many different kinds of people from many different lifestyles. i hope that people won't feel too nervous to go for fear of not fitting in. i'm nervous but i'm going anyway. On 4/20/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm middle class and have a stuffed Firefox named Muldor who calls memummy... can I be in the club?Casey--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here here. this daddeo is trying to make it out there too! On 4/20/06, Chris Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget.. the middle class Dads as well! -Chris -- http://www.chrisdanielvideos.comOn 4/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be more middle class moms there than you think ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Monique Danielle monique@ wrote: I'm thinking about going, but I'm worried that I too new to the communityand will be sort of a wall flower.Also, while I'm liberal and funky at heart, I'm also a middle class mom, soI fear that I won't be 'hip' enough CheersMonique Danielle http://www.vlogdiva.comhttp://www.vlogchallenge.com -Original Message- From: Markus Sandy [mailto:markus@]Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:31 AMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Might be going toVloggercon...(I hope) i sure hope you can make it nathan btw, i really liked your story the other day about your driving test inJapan. http://www.bicycle-sidewalk.com/?p=96 127 posts!!! dude, you rock. regards,markus Nathan Miller wrote: Cross your fingers for me...gonna ask for time offtommorrow to head to San Fran...however it will be a 2000 USD dollar trip for me, and that is kinda holdingme back too...Just reading the emails about vloggercon drives me crazy. I so dearly want to meet everyone, however Ijust started a new job, who could ask for worsttiming... Nathan Millerhttp://www.bicycle-sidewalk.com Yahoo! Groups Links . -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.org --YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a..Visit your group videoblogging on the web. b..To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c..Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService. --Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] veoh article with interesting statements from the company
hey sull!this is the internet. the metric is the message!(joke)On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but now veoh works differently. so whatever.and... their is no law about screwing up someones server stats.whats more important, making media and distributing it or reading your stats for novelty?the message or the metric? sullOn 4/20/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about HTTP stats that would be known to the server serving up the content. If Veoh has taken your content via RSS unbeknownst to you and is redistributing it from their servers as though you are one of their users who has opted in to the service (but you are not), then you would never know your content is being redistributed there and would have zero knowledge of the viewing statistics. -josh On 4/20/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure Veoh will/does provide statistics to it's users. It does. If you go to http://veoh.com/users/deirdre you can see my profile, click on View All above the videos to see all my videos with their individual stats, rate them, etc. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlog TV and the digital divide
pontificate away, Gena! it's important to have these kinds of discussions on the group, too, i think.i believe that economics has a huge role to play in who videoblogs. not just because of of the amount of money it takes to get hardware and software and a decent internet connection but, also, the amount of time it takes to make video, manage a site, and promote your stuff through social structures (like this list, for example). this is time that some cannot afford with any consistency and one of the reasons for that can be economic. Other factors come in that are rooted in culture (which can also be economic). For example, i come from a very poor, part native, Mormon (!) family that values hard, physical work. vlogging and blogging are considered hobbies that take time away from making a living and/or cooking and cleaning. while i am the type of person to push at boundaries, not everyone is prepared to make the type of financial and cultural commitment to vlogging that people in this group have. be that as it may, i also agree with gena that it isn't just a middleclass white male phenomenon. it just seems like it.On 4/18/06, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wow - I'd love to put my two cents in this discussion. I will step over and check out the site but I do want to assure youthis ain't just a middle-class white male game. There are quite a fewvloggers of color and of the female gender.There are times when it is an issue and others when it has nothing to do with the act of vlogging. On of the reasons I vlog is that as anAfrican-American woman I am not represented in MSM. I keep my buttcheeks covered.I have recorded videos of black folks doing other things that are not represented on MSM. I haven't done near enough of it but that is dueto lack to time. That time thing is a killer.It is a double edge sword under my neck. Should it make a differencewhat I look like? No. Is it important that a person like me vlogs? Absolutely. What do I bring to the conversation?Okay, I know, write a letter, pontificate on my own vlog.Genahttp://outonthestoop.blogspot.com http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video...growing bit by bit with some of the answers to vlogging.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] veoh article with interesting statements from the company
http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2006/04/18/controversial_video_hosting_company_veoh_raises_125m.html He said Veoh from the beginning had wanted to upload only content from RSS feeds which users had explicitly submitted to Veoh. He said Veoh had required publishers submitting feeds to insert a specific snippet of code verifying they were owners of the feed. However, he said Veoh's process was bugged, and wasn't identifying which content was owned by the submitters and which wasn't. As a result, when outsiders submitted copyrighted content, Veoh ended up uploading it when it shouldn't have. He said he has since nuked all content that hasn't been adequately submitted.rewriting history so soon?-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Smithsonian pimpin collection to Showtime?
yup. it's a big deal. there is a petition going around that everyone should sign. you can find a pdf for one here:http://blogs.indiewire.com/anthony/archives/009835.html On 4/19/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/19/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bottomunion wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned on the list yet, but it is definitely worth a look. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/18/arts/television/18smit.html?ex=1146024000en=2c3657f3b71f2a2eei=5070emc=eta1 aka http://tinyurl.com/nzdnl (Firefox users should install http://tinyurl.com/duwna) off topic, but Cool Charles, thanks. I've been using the bookmarklet. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Freevlog 3
lol. thanks a lot, Sull! I'll never get that out of my head now. never.On 4/18/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: press release info here:http://vblogsecrets.com/heheh. On 4/18/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You guys got a press release for the release of the book? Would love to post it at the Vlog Press Kit.Congrats!XO,Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art .- Original Message -From: usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:33 PMSubject: [videoblogging] Re: Freevlog 3 Secrets of Videoblogging (Michael Verdi, Ryanne Hodson, Diana Weynand, Shirley Craig) http://tinyurl.com/rfcgs(Amazon.com link) Blips http://VlogAssist.com http://vlogmatic.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, daweedrex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Book? What book? Care to share? I'm rather new here, and haven't heard about it yet (but would like to hear about it!). David King --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Hey ya'll, Now that Ryanne and I are done writing out book we're focusing on updating things at Freevlog. We moved the regular tutorial to http://freevlog.org/tutorial and made the videoblog - http://freevlog.org - the main focus. There we'll posting a couple of times a week with new tutorials, interviews and things to help people make kick-ass content. Please go by and check it out. Feedback appreciated. Thanks, Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video web chat with Mac and Windows
SightSpeed enables video chatting between Mac and PC and does it very well. I just tested it out last week!AnneOn 4/16/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Trillian.. http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/Davidhttp://www.davidhowellstudios.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best way to have a video web chat with Mac and Windows? I'm on a Mac and would like to use iChat AV, but how would thatconnect with my Windows friend, who has a webcam? What software would be the best/easiest between Mac and Windows? Thanks, RichardYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Freevlog 3
sweet, Michael! freevlog is the best site out there for learning how to vlog and i can't imagine how you can improve on itbut i don't doubt that you and ryanne will!On 4/17/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey ya'll,Now that Ryanne and I are done writing out book we're focusing on updating things at Freevlog. We moved the regular tutorial to http://freevlog.org/tutorial and made the videoblog - http://freevlog.org - the main focus. There we'll posting a couple of times a week with new tutorials, interviews and things to help people make kick-ass content. Please go by and check it out. Feedback appreciated. Thanks,Verdi-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
hi Charles,i think we had this discussion just a short while ago and it seems to be a sensitive issue. i've been contending with it myself over at loadedpun.com. basically, i try to show the video in as unaltered a state as i can. what i tend to do is this:if the video is creative commons copyrighted and hosted on the archive, i link directly to the video on the image of the video and link to the vlog page it came from just below the image. i also try to link to the vlog as a whole and/or the vloggers main blog or site when i write about them. i give attribution for the peice (it's title, creator, vlog name) under the image and in the accompanying text post.i try to talk about the site as a whole and encourage people to go and check out their other stuff and comment.if the video is creative commons copyrighted and hosted on the vloggers' own server, i link the image to the vlog post the video can be found in. i still give text attributions and links as well. if the video carries a traditional copyright, i link to the person's vlog and i also try to write to them to ask permission to review it (i'm not always this careful though. too hasty. i must slow down!) during videoblogging week, i showed one video from each day picked randomly from the pack. this required me to go quickly and i wasn't able to contact first in order to show them on the same day. i hope no one is offended by this. i have no idea what the official way to link is and i don't think anyone has a definite answer for it. i don't think about it in terms of fair use so much as i think about how i would like my stuff treated. one really interesting thing that happened during the whole veoh debacle that i hadn't considered and am considering now is that media feeds might pick up the vids and attribute them to me if they are hot linked. that's not good, i think. i am rethinking how i do it now. my concern has always been that an extra step to view the video will prevent many readers/viewers from watching the videos, which would be a shame. there is so much excellent content out there! On 4/10/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,My question is Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?(People would probably call this hot linking.)NOTE: I'm NOT talking about re-hosting or transcoding. This would be getting the video straight from the vloggers site. And more importantly, if it isn't Fair Use, should it be? And an equally important question, if it is Fair Use, should it not be?Also (assuming you think it is OK to hot link to videos), what would be the best ways to do it?... Is it OK to use the HTML a element to link directly to the video? (Either llinking in text or a thumbnail or a flipbook of the video?)Is it OK to use the HTML embed or object elements to link directly to the video? This would essentially be playing video on inside of someone else's page. Should the hotlinker add any extra data along with the hotlinking? (Like the title, description, a linkback, etc)How does all this relate to (RSS and Atom) feeds? How does all this relate to semantic HTML usage? How does all this relate to SMIL usage?See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?
hey fellas! how about starting a new thread for this discussion on transcoding? this one is getting unwieldy!On 4/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/10/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:53:05 +0200, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder... maybe Andreas can chime in... does it make any sense to modify cc licenses to include a clause about re-hosting and re-distributing media from that host? If a license can state whether or not it is allowed, then maybe that would streamline things? I was tagged, but I'm not lawyer (just vocal). Charles has got it right. This is already covered in the CC licenses. All CC licenses grant rights to make copies and distribute those copies - it's the whole point. Then there are the two limitations. The non-commercial clause limits who can make the copies and no-derrivs limits derrivative works (straight copies are still fine). So there's no reason to ammend the licenses. I don't agree with Devlon that a video transcode constitutes a derrivative work (IANAL!!!). Just as a xerox of a photo is a copy not a derrivative work... It's a bad copy, but still a copy. IMO.I was interpretting the 'translation' part of the definition. I understood (incorrectly maybe) that a translation was a derivative. Isn't transcoding a translation? -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Sunday Comics
nice way to lighten the day, Michael! (they said vlog! they said vlog!)heeheeOn 4/9/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey,My daughter Lauren found this in the Sunday comics today: http://images.ucomics.com/comics/prc/2006/prc060409.gif -Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh--how to resolve
that sounds like a very reasoned response, Jay.i look forward to seeing how this unfolds. if Veoh holds up to their statement that they will do what it takes to make things right and we agree that the right thing to do would be to remove all videos/feeds marked as unclaimed feeds, then there is definite room for working with them - provided, of course, that the unclaimed stuff is removed post haste. if, after that, anyone decides that they would like to sign up with Veoh and have their videos hosted there, they can re-enter their feeds/vids themselves. seems like the best way to make a clean start of it, in my opinion. On 4/9/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this out for comments here. Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting should be opt-in. That would mean that: 1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from their site. 2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have claimed and where the feed owners have given permission for them to re-host. For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real. Comments?I agree with Peter and everyone's comments on Veoh.Dmitry should remove all videos they have spidered, downloaded, trancoded, and posted to their site. No one should have to ask forthis to happen because then the burden is on us to figure out whatneeds to be taken down.Since this hit on a fridayand Dmitry knows of the issuelets see what they do as the work week begins. lets give them some time.As for Veoh sponsoring Vloggercon, we had been discussing this earlierin the week with them.obviously, we want to make sure they are supportive of the wishes of the community before we allow them to put their name on the event.We do not want to be exclusionaryand hope that we can get allvideo companies to attend so we can talk to them directly. I wouldlove it if we had google video, youtube, etc at Vloggercon. as we've been discussing off list, we need to make sure this doesnt happenagain. No one should be able to plead ignorance.Jay--Adventures in Videoblogginghttp://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tvhttp://node101.orgCell: 917 371 6790Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
... andthen we'll get over it... in a year or two.haha. right Michael! like how we got over it with television. thank god we've moved on from america's funniest home videos to american idol. what a relief! we've moved on from spectacle! On 4/9/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:40 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: This is a strange argument and my feelings on copyrights are still developing but have changed alot over the last year while watching everything that is going on. Remember when iFilm was the biggest video website on the net? Not only did they hold as much copyrighted material as they could, they were the ones that populated it. iFilm even designed their activity to anticipate content and would create searchable landing pages for the copyrighted material before it was even released. iFilm was bought by MTV last year and to my astonishment, I just found out the other day that iFilm was never once sued. No, they were rewarded for being pirates by stealing and hosting all of the content where they had the most invasive and likely profitable advertisements blasted everywhere on the site, on the way to the videos, in front of the videos, at the end, it was amazing - people would tolerate it because they had no choice. Now look at YouTube. Even if they dont populate the videos themselves, they gladly host them and now that they have disregarded copyright laws, they have been rewarded with an 8 million dollar VC round in anticipation of flipping the company in a sell-out for whats likely worth over 100million. The fury of this thread has to do with smaller sites who perhaps aspire to become the YouTube and iFilm of the net and its not unreasonable to think they would do the same kind of activity. After all, look at the rewards, it seems to be working and it seems to be what people want. Now take Ourmedia, who does not condone copyrighted material on the site. I was just speaking with J.D. the other day about this. The kind of intent and the emphasis on community should be catching more fire in the midst of all these mega-video sites.Amen... in fact believe me...the clip culture fad will pass... it's as common as the train wreck the spectakle... heh! look it's mein the mirror... on big hurrah for user generated content as we seeall our ugly mugs in the camera lipsynching mayahe! mayaha!... and then we'll get over it... in a year or two.And we'll com back to media as an aspect of culture andcommunication... not spectacle. So, everything I have mentioned so far is standard procedure and normal, and not that unexpected. But what I find really twisted is that a lot of us are calling for a change in copyright law - we are supporting a mash-up culture, we question the need to pay music royalties on coincidental background music, we are inspired by and want to see change in the way content has been so controlled and delivered. So its like everyone is trying to put out the fire that is the spark most likely to bring change.Last sentence didn't make any sense to me?Perhaps you meant thatit's the spark of the idea not the flame of the spactcle that'sbringing the change?I'm not sure. So why all the kicking and screaming? If iFilm has never been sued, YouTube gets millions for hosting any video anyone puts there and even Google allows it and supports it, most of the content creators are looking the other way because its promotion for them and no bandwidth cost, lets take the opportunity perhaps to rejoice and be more free. Before the lobby money rolls into Washington behind the traditional content gatekeepers, it's going to be common law by then. If I ever get stopped for J-walking on 42nd street when there is no traffic, I feel quite sure I can show that I was singled out unfairly. Look at the Beatles for example. They have taken it upon themselves to enforce their own music use. We all know that we can't use Beatles music, they dont want us to, they will definitely find us and come try and get us to stop, they will try to sue us, and its pretty much been working. Its a cultural taboo now to use their music because we all know they don't want us to. Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been complaining about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers because of them?You lost me. What's at stake here is nothing but the great debateitself... who controls and can participate in culture and the shapping of it.You tube doesn't promote a fair, balanced, andtransparent media... people are pissed about it. And it's torocketboom's detriment too because it edges out our open markets withlevel playing fields like the blogosphere and vlogosphere and it substites in their place a closed, proprietay and tyranicalmaketplace for information... eventually though i think the open webwill gobble it up because innovation will stear around it.-Mike Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
I honestly don't know how this can be made right.First thing, though, stop spidering immediately. Remove all unclaimed feeds at once. Not just the feeds of those who discover what you are doing. All of them. Doing those things could go a long way in showing your intentions.On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anne,I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing this to inflate numbers.We are just trying to create a good service.Iagree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is inline with video bloggers; to help people communicate.Maybe these will help clear things up a bit: http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDwhttp://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp We should have spent time in this group, but unfortunately we havebeen understaffed, and time just got away from us.I am here now, andI am listening to you.I want to do whatever it takes to make things right.I hope that you take me up on that offer.What can I do to makethings right?Dmitry--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dmitry, Thankyou for responding to the group. I have a few questions and comments about this whole situation. I simply cannot see how taking video without the maker's knowledge or consent, creating a series with it, linking back to your own site,using no attribution whatsoever and implicating them as members of yourcommunity is a compelling service for video producers. I think it is, however, a compelling service to Veoh as it gives an artificial inflation of your numbers which, I'm sure, is quitehelpful when looking for VC funding for your company. In your terms of service, you spell out your own copyright for thesite. How would you feel about a company that decided it wanted to help youavoid the costs of running your site by sucking the content out of it and hosting it on their own site without your knowledge or consent. They could thendrive your traffic to them, thereby saving you the costs associated with bandwidth. I'm sure that you wouldn't perceive it as helpful though, would you? If you truly thought that what you were doing was helpful, you mighthave come in here before now and told us what a marvelous job you were doing helping us all and encouraging us to come claim our feeds. Instead, we find out accidentally and now you are here to tell us that it's for ourown good and that you are helping us. Not cool. Not legal. Not helpful. Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is serious business. On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for approving me for this group. I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear you loud and clear. It is not our intention to steal anyone's content.We are simply trying to create a compelling service for video producers of all kinds, with a big focus on enabling video bloggers to be free of restrictions to broadcast.In fact, we did consider simply creating a site where we would link to videoblogs, but felt that this may cause you to experiencesignificant costs.The reason we transcode the content is to offload those costs from you to us.Maybe this is not the right thing to do.We are open to your comments, and will obey your wishes. Please forgive us if you are one of the people that feel that we have gone about this the wrong way, we will make changes to accommodate your preferences.We did not mean to infringe on anyone's rights, we simply tried to make it simple for people to find your videos in a single place.This is an evolutionary process, and we are working on refining it.We would greatly appreciate your help in making Veoh a great citizen of the video blogging world. For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have a chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoring the event, and will throw a party afterwards. I encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are the good guys.We will do ANYTHING to prove that to you, really. I will personally make sure that anyone that wants their feed off of our system gets a quick response to their wishes. Dmitry Shapiro CEO Veoh Networks, Inc. 619-602-3305 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Old Hi-8 analog to digital conversion?
Devlon uses a tv tuner card in his computer (less than $100) to digitize the content. You need an RCA cord to plug into the cam and computer.One thing we've had terrible trouble with, though, is the sound going out of sync. It seems to capture audio at a slightly different rate than video. The only way we've been able to deal with it is to chop up the audio and resync it in segments as it goes out. Very time consuming and the reason we haven't been making video. If anyone knows how to fix this problem, I'd be very interested to find out!anneOn 4/7/06, Digital [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:We were watching old home videos of the kids when they were just babies tonight because the youngest one turns 9 tomorrow. All Hi-8stuff, no DV back then...curious as to what people have done toinexpensively convert the analog stuff to the highest quality digital?Hardware, software or service? Thanks in advance..Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?
I agree with removing the unclaimed feeds. Most definitely. And they should stop spidering other sites. As of this moment, the spiders are still rollling. I see that ZipZapZop has a new vid out. On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this out forcomments here.Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hostingshould be opt-in.That would mean that: 1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from their site.2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have claimedand where the feed owners have given permission for them to re-host. For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judgecompanies by their actions. And this action would tell me: Weunderstand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real. Comments?Peter--http://mefeedia.comOn 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish. Being the center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are incentives for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity. You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone rips off your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it matter if they get something other than little green tickets in return? Legally, yes. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?
Ok. We have asked to have our feeds removed from Veoh. Our new video was picked up this morning.I did notice, however, that they have stopped the ourmedia and blip feeds. Smart thinking as ripping off the content of other video hosting services will lead to major lawsuits (easily winnable ones at that) Dmitry has come in here with soft words and claims that he had no idea that he was infringing on anyone's copyright and how he just wants to make it right but don't let him have you think that he is like us - a grassroots organization just trying to help promote videoblogging and democratize video. From Veoh's faq, I see that he has been involved in the business for some time and knows very well what copyright means. They know what they have done. Veoh Networks was founded in 2004 by Dmitry Shapiro, a world recognized P2P security pioneer. Prior to founding Veoh, Dmitry was the founder and CTO of Akonix Systems, Inc., the world's leading P2P security company with over 1 million licensed enterprise users. Akonix's customers include Disney, Viacom, MTV, Fox News, Fox Films, Weather Channel, Cingular, and countless other brand names. The Veoh team also includes Chief Scientist Dr. Ted Dunning, formerly the Chief Scientist at MusicMatch (now Yahoo Music), Chief Scientist at IDAnalytics (the leading identity fraud detection company), and Chief Scientist at Aptex Software (an HNC/FairIsaac company), and a core team of developers responsible for the creation and development of products such as Websense, Akonix and Collegeclub.com. Veoh received Series A financing from Shelter Capital in mid-2005. See our team profiles for more information.On 4/8/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Actually, that's not true. An artists work becomes copyright from the instant it is created regardless whether or not you have actually gone and registered it.Andreas was talking about monetary damages - I think copyright isassumed in the conversation. Regardless, everyone should be putting a somewhere on their sites no matter what the case.or a (cc). David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote: On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:09 +0200, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote: On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@ wrote:You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone rips offyour website, blog, search history, financial data, does it matter ifthey get something other than little green tickets in return? Legally, yes. Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the line. Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work) then you cannot sue for statutory damages so you have to prove an actual loss. It makes a big difference. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
hi Jay,I don't agree that adding obvious linkback is a solution because Veoh is a social site with memberships, ratings, profiles, friends, etc. I do not like the implication that I am a member of a community because my stuff was spidered into it. Linking back may give a means to finding my site from within the Veoh community but it does not remove that implication. The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all unclaimed feeds. And to not do it again.If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can choose to.anne On 4/8/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers?Do you not want us to sponsor? For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week toget details on Vloggercon sponsorship.nothing has been finalizedyet.As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution. It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if wewant our work taken down.either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted...or add obvious linkbacks to each entry. Jay--Adventures in Videoblogginghttp://www.momentshowing.nethttp://FireAnt.tv http://node101.orgCell: 917 371 6790Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step
hi joly,if you upload a feed to Veoh, it is my understanding that the feed will fall under the name of the user submitting the feed. it will be claimed by them. unclaimed feeds have gotten into the system through means of automation. that's why they are not affiliated with any Veoh user. instead of a user name, you see the name of the vlog (eg: kitykity's vlog) or hosting service the feed was taken from. i doubt there is a user on Veoh called blip.tv.i like the idea of being able to make and distribute large files via a service like Veoh. that's great. i don't like the unclaimed feed feature. On 4/8/06, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Dmitry didn't say anything about spidering for preciselyone reason, VEOH does not actually do any spidering.What they do is allow anyone to sign up and submit any RSS feed they fancy to their network, which will then proceed to distributethat to them, and to any other members of their network via P2P,to be played back in the VEOH viewer.Kind of like a networked aggregator if you will. I don't think they are 'grabbing' videos any more than say, fireant, isvia its cumulative user base.The difference is that they actuallyhelp distro the vids.So, unlike fireant, say, one can ramp up one's viewership without taking a bandwidth hit.A pretty good wheeze and a valuable one to the vidcasting community.Their latest innovation is to supply partial flv previews on their site.That's the only transcoding going on, the files distributed via P2P are those from the RSS enclosures.The thing is still very much beta, and a lot of loose ends, social andtechnical, remain to be tied up.They are investing money and effort in our medium, and I think their support should be graciously accepted, and problems dealt with by communicationnot castigation.joly The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all unclaimed feeds. And to not do it again. If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can choose to.undertsood.so i will be interested in seeing what Veoh wil do next.lets just make sure we dont become mobrule here. has Dmitry said they would take down everything they have currently spidered?is there any precedent for a service grabbing videos?Jay--Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.nethttp://FireAnt.tvhttp://node101.org Cell: 917 371 6790--- WWWhatsup NYChttp://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com---Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
if someone is receiving your work in it's entirety on Veoh, why, even if you have linkbacks placed in your videos, would they go back to your site? they are enjoying your stuff just fine at Veoh.also, on our site, we occassionally show other people's videos and comment on them, link to their site and tell people to go and watch. when the videos are taken out of that context, they lose the attributions will give the maker and are branded with our name. yes, we could make a vlog soup out of them (props to steve) and brand our commentary in that way. i prefer not to. i prefer to leave their stuff as undisturbed as possible.mashups of popculture, to me, is another matter. it's far murkier than what we are talking about here and deserves another thread. On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, fair enough. Instead of rejecting the sytem though, why not usethe system to be more creative and effective in advertising? Forinstance, if you made an advertisement that explained where to go andwhat to do INSIDE OF THE VIDEO and did not depend on the extra metadata, you could let them take it and it would increase your reachfor new clients. You could let everyone have it and encourage peopleto spread it around and share it because that would increase thereach of your advertising. On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:51 PM, David Howell wrote: For me, the problem is that the videos of mine that Veoh has are videos that I made to advertise my wifes business. On the original posts on my site, I put a link to her site. Veoh does not link back to my site. Thus my wife is losing possible clients. Also, I am not credited with making the videos. A violation of my copyright. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been complaining about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers because of them? Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
to me, Veoh is different from YouTube in this way:YouTube allows users to upload video. Users upload video that may or may not conform to copyright. YouTube either chooses not to monitor for copyright infringement or cannot do so. Veoh is the same in this regard. The difference lies in the spidering. As well as a community site where users can upload content, Veoh also spiders other video hosting sites as well as individual vlog sites and inputs their content into their community. Veoh is directly involved in the copyright infringement. That is the difference and that difference is huge. On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, so I was just simply making the point that Veoh just did whatYouTube did. So what single out Veoh for this reason?On the other reasons for singeing them out, I know I have asked themto remove our feed before but its there again. So I just asked them to remove all Rocketboom videos, lets see howlong it takes or if they do.On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because SNL's content is owned by a corporate entity who is in the business of licensing that content to other people in exchange for money. Whenever you see SNL on TV anywhere, you can be sure that someone is getting paid for that broadcast. This would be like CBS recording the broadcast of SNL on NBC one night, and then showing it the next day on a 24 hour loop on their own network and telling NBC they are doing them a favor by bringing more attention to their content -- for free! And to be clear, the SNL example was a reference to YouTube and the major traffic spike they got from the SNL Lazy Sunday (Chronicles of Narnia) clip. -Josh On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been complaining about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers because of them? Um, yes, I think that argument can be made, especially for sites hosting content that is normally syndicated, such as SNL clips. So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because people could not get back to the SNL website? Yea, its lame and this is why Veoh doesn't have a chance in the long run - it ultimately takes shitty people to make a shitty business. Yet, this supported the fair use potential and supported change, especially because Veoh was likely just a drop in the bucket for where people otherwise illegally got that video. But furthermore, I think its about a user agreeing to the terms of service and opting in to participate. Veoh does not allow you to opt in by choice. They take your content to seed their community and in fact give you no real recourse to opt out. Any web service or community like that should require you first to opt in to be a participant. A user should always have the right to not participate if they do not wish to do so, and Veoh takes that choice away from content creators. Yea, that really is pretty shitty. -Josh On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a strange argument and my feelings on copyrights are still developing but have changed alot over the last year while watching everything that is going on. Remember when iFilm was the biggest video website on the net? Not only did they hold as much copyrighted material as they could, they were the ones that populated it. iFilm even designed their activity to anticipate content and would create searchable landing pages for the copyrighted material before it was even released. iFilm was bought by MTV last year and to my astonishment, I just found out the other day that iFilm was never once sued. No, they were rewarded for being pirates by stealing and hosting all of the content where they had the most invasive and likely profitable advertisements blasted everywhere on the site, on the way to the videos, in front of the videos, at the end, it was amazing - people would tolerate it because they had no choice. Now look at YouTube. Even if they dont populate the videos themselves, they gladly host them and now that they have disregarded copyright laws, they have been rewarded with an 8 million dollar VC round in anticipation of flipping the company in a sell-out for whats likely worth over 100million. The fury of this thread has to do with smaller sites who perhaps aspire to become the YouTube and iFilm of the net and its not unreasonable to think they would do the same kind of activity. After all, look at the rewards, it seems to be working and it seems to be what people want. Now take Ourmedia, who does not condone copyrighted material on the site. I was just speaking with J.D. the other day about this. The kind of intent and the emphasis on community should be catching more fire in the midst of all these mega-video sites. So, everything I have mentioned so far is standard procedure and normal, and not that unexpected. But
Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
for me, that is the diffence between the two cases.Whether or not YouTube and the like are responsible for the copyright infringement of their users is another matter.And so is the matter of utilizing popular culture in the making of new work that comments on popular culture (mashups) All of these things must be looked at as separate copyright issues.On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So for you its about liability.YouTube can claim ignorance because the liability rests with the individual users uploading the content that YouTube claims it cannot police.Whereas Veoh is in control of the spidering process of automatically acquiring content and thus the liability for that content rests with Veoh. My disagreement however is that I believe that YouTube and others like it should be responsible for the content that is on their network that is obviously infringing. This is something that these companies consciously look the other way on because they know it will negatively impact their service. Unfortunetly, there is much to be gained by hosting popular but infringing content and supporting the minority of users who largely engage in such practice. -JoshOn 4/8/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to me, Veoh is different from YouTube in this way:YouTube allows users to upload video. Users upload video that may or may not conform to copyright. YouTube either chooses not to monitor for copyright infringement or cannot do so. Veoh is the same in this regard. The difference lies in the spidering. As well as a community site where users can upload content, Veoh also spiders other video hosting sites as well as individual vlog sites and inputs their content into their community. Veoh is directly involved in the copyright infringement. That is the difference and that difference is huge. On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, so I was just simply making the point that Veoh just did whatYouTube did. So what single out Veoh for this reason?On the other reasons for singeing them out, I know I have asked themto remove our feed before but its there again. So I just asked them to remove all Rocketboom videos, lets see howlong it takes or if they do.On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because SNL's content is owned by a corporate entity who is in the business of licensing that content to other people in exchange for money. Whenever you see SNL on TV anywhere, you can be sure that someone is getting paid for that broadcast. This would be like CBS recording the broadcast of SNL on NBC one night, and then showing it the next day on a 24 hour loop on their own network and telling NBC they are doing them a favor by bringing more attention to their content -- for free! And to be clear, the SNL example was a reference to YouTube and the major traffic spike they got from the SNL Lazy Sunday (Chronicles of Narnia) clip. -Josh On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been complaining about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers because of them? Um, yes, I think that argument can be made, especially for sites hosting content that is normally syndicated, such as SNL clips. So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because people could not get back to the SNL website? Yea, its lame and this is why Veoh doesn't have a chance in the long run - it ultimately takes shitty people to make a shitty business. Yet, this supported the fair use potential and supported change, especially because Veoh was likely just a drop in the bucket for where people otherwise illegally got that video. But furthermore, I think its about a user agreeing to the terms of service and opting in to participate. Veoh does not allow you to opt in by choice. They take your content to seed their community and in fact give you no real recourse to opt out. Any web service or community like that should require you first to opt in to be a participant. A user should always have the right to not participate if they do not wish to do so, and Veoh takes that choice away from content creators. Yea, that really is pretty shitty. -Josh On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a strange argument and my feelings on copyrights are still developing but have changed alot over the last year while watching everything that is going on. Remember when iFilm was the biggest video website on the net? Not only did they hold as much copyrighted material as they could, they were the ones that populated it. iFilm even designed their activity to anticipate content and would create searchable landing pages for the copyrighted material before it was even released. iFilm was bought by MTV last year and to my astonishment, I just found out the other day that iFilm was never once sued. No, they were
Re: [videoblogging] Re: converting MPEG-4 videos to iPod format
I tried this freeware option and it works like a charmMPEG StreamclipYou can use MPEG Streamclip to: open and play most movie formats including MPEG files or transport streams;edit them with Cut, Copy, Paste, and Trim; set In/Out points and convert them into muxed or demuxed files, or export them to QuickTime, AVI, DV and MPEG-4 files with more than professional quality, so you can easily import them in a DVD authoring tool, and use them with many other applications or devices.On 4/7/06, Joshua Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something? Why can't you do this with iMovie itself? I'm pretty sure I did I did that last night. (I would have to check the source movie, but it was an mp4 quicktime, I think.)JS On 4/6/06, M. Mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello:The other day someone here told of an inexpensive piece of software forMacs that will convert MPEG-4 videos into an iPod format using iMovie. Whatis the name of that software?ThanksMichael Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?
Hi Josh.While searching for sites for testinggrounds.loadedpun.com, I've found tons of vlogs listed in a great number of sites. They do, indeed, pick up media feeds and list them. Check out Blinkx, for example. I bet you're in there. It's a very strange feeling to go to a community site and find your listings. These places usually have a way to get out of the listings if you find your stuff, but they have no way to prevent you from getting in there in the first place. On 4/7/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the watch tab on veoh and noticed a bunch of vlogger's videos (including Bre, Markus, and Rocketboom) on the page. Markus didnt know anything about it, and I highly doubt Rocketboom submuts their content to Veoh to be transcoded into flash and hosted there... what is the deal? are they scraping feeds then transcoding and hosting videos without permission?-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: converting MPEG-4 videos to iPod format
mpeg streamclip does this rob. it's freeware. i tried it on a pc. still to test it on a mac.you can also do simple edits with it. and its a universal player as well. i was quite impressed by it, for what it is. On 4/7/06, cooper3acd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along these lines, anyone got tips on converting MPEG-2 to iPod (oreven just a format iTunes will recognize properly).This is on a PC (free or cheap solutions preferred).Cheers,Rob--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried this freeware option and it works like a charm MPEG Streamclip http://www.squared5.com/ *You can use MPEG Streamclip to: open and play most movie formatsincluding MPEG files or transport streams; edit them with Cut, Copy, Paste,and Trim; set In/Out points and convert them into muxed or demuxed files, or export them to QuickTime, AVI, DV and MPEG-4 files with more thanprofessional quality, so you can easily import them in a DVD authoring tool,and use them with many other applications or devices.* On 4/7/06, Joshua Seiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something? Why can't you do this with iMovieitself? I'm pretty sure I did I did that last night. (I would have to check the source movie, but it was an mp4 quicktime, I think.) JSOn 4/6/06, M. Mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: The other day someone here told of an inexpensive piece ofsoftware for Macs that will convert MPEG-4 videos into an iPod format usingiMovie. What is the name of that software? Thanks Michael Yahoo! Groups Links -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit yourgroup videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofServicehttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?
well, i just did a writeup of the whole thing on loadedpun and sent it off to boingboing as well. hopefully, we'll see some action soon.anneOn 4/7/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You can add your licensing info to your feed. RSS handles this, it's Veoh that isn't playing by the rules.On 4/7/06, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:There should be a specific RSS tag that performs the equivalent of robots.txtin specifying what syndication rights are granted, generally, and specifically? --- WWWhatsup NYChttp://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSVisit your group videoblogging on the web.To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --~Devlonhttp://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.comhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spoke with Veoh CEO ** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?
i just received a comment for someone at the company on loadedpun and responded.I'm Canadian too, Brad!On 4/7/06, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, part of this situation is due to the organic nature of the technology growing (and not any evil plan).i.e. Veoh originally did not have encoded versions at all. It was moreof a system to find videos (*my understanding) and use a peercastingmethod to distribute large files without bandwidth fees for broadcasters.Alas, as all my friends started using YouTube to share videos, I wasone of the people that begged Veoh to add an automated flash previewfor the videos available in their directory. I'm personally STOKED with the resulting technology, but as seentoday, new issues have risen up.I've heard nothing from Veoh thatmade me think theyweren't more than willing to make changes orrethink their plans. -HalcyonOn 4/7/06, Brad Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about only including feeds that have CC info that allow them to aggregate? Guess what, no CC means it needs to be presumed that it's Copyright which means they need permission. I don't understand this mentality? Can someone clear out my big-dumb-canadianness so I can get it? Halcyon Lujah wrote: Just talked with Dmitry @ Veoh (he posted his phone here a while back). He is on the road and apologizes for all the ill-will. He will chime in when he is back online, but asked me to pass on to those concerend about their feeds on Veoh: 1) short term, email the name of your feed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to be removed. 2) they are implementing the automated attribution link as we speak. (no need to claim your feed) 3) they are working on ways to exclude feeds based on CC info. But they are totally to feedback and suggestions and changes. -Halcyon www.spreadingthepink.com http://www.spreadingthepink.com www.veoh.com/vlogs/cockyvision http://www.veoh.com/vlogs/cockyvision YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Unsubscribe *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Links--www.SpreadingThePink.com Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] msg from Dmitry Shapiro (Veoh CEO)
and what are we to make of the terms of service? does it include unclaimed feeds that are now a part of the Veoh system?http://veoh.com/corporate/termsOfUse.html this is a huge can of worms that Veoh didn't need to open. there is no reason for a community site to spider other sites for feeds. well...there's only one reason I can think of and it's not a good one - padding their site. On 4/7/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i feel like some one just robbed me and explained why it was good for meHalcyon Lujah wrote:I just talked to Dmitry Shapiro (CEO of Veoh.com - contact infobelow). He is awaiting the ability to post to this Yahoo group, but wanted to make sure you got his response, asap.So I am posting thebelow on his behalf.-- Forwarded message --From: Dmitry Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Apr 7, 2006 6:57 PMSubject: Please post to Videoblogging groupMy name is Dmitry Shapiro, and I am the CEO of Veoh.I would like to address a few of the issues that have been discussed here today, and offer a few solutions.First, let me assure you that Veoh is no evil corporation out to stealanyone's content.If you do some research, you will find that I havebeen very vocal about what we are trying to accomplish.We want to make video broadcasting available to everyone, to democratize videobroadcasting by removing any hurdles that currently exist in themainstream media.We are on your side, and greatly value your opinions.Second, let me apologize for the way that we have handled the RSS feedissues.My only excuse is that we have done a poor job defining whatis really needed and implemented a fractional solution.We are diligently working on making Veoh a great place for video bloggers,and are implementing your suggestiions from this forum.We are taking steps to do the following :1. We are fixing our system to display a link back to your original video blog.This was in the original spec, but somehow got left out.2. We are fixing our RSS reader to be sensitive to CC licenses andwill automatically respect your licenses.3. We are figuring out ways to give you the statistics that you need so that views on Veoh are reflected in your feed stats.We expect these changes to be completed over the next 2 weeks.If you would rather we take your feed off of our system, I can assure you that we will be happy to oblige.If you would like your feed outof our system, we will either read your CC license or you can email usat [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will remove it immediately. I encourage you to give us a chance to fix things, and provide youwith a great tool.Some of you are experiencing great load on your servers and arestarting to have to pay a lot of money for hosting your videos. We provide you a free service that hosts your videos, and allows youto post any length, full-screen, much higher quality (high bitrate)video, without worrying about the cost of distribution.Give us 500MB videos, and we will distribute them for you completely free of charge. Some of you couldn't care less about such capabilities but others areextremely excited about the opportunity to be broadcasting television-length and television-quality shows.We not only welcome your feedback, but solicit it, and would love foryou to drive the direction of our product offering.You will notice that there is no advertising on our site or our client.This is a venture backed company, but it is also a labor oflove, out to change the world by giving everyone a free, unrestrictedvoice.In the near future YOU will have the capabilities to choose if you would like to charge for your video blog, or if you would like tomake money by letting us sell advertising, or neither.I will be happy to speak with any of you in person or via phone/email. We are based in San Diego, but I will be in Atlanta on Monday andTuesday and in Manhattan on Wed, Thurs, and Friday.Please let meknow if any of you are available to meet me in person (I'll buy the coffee or beer).My contact info is below, including my cell phonenumber.My contact info is :Dmitry Shapiro[EMAIL PROTECTED] 619-602-3305 cellThank you so much for reading this, and please forgive us if we causedyou any heartache.We really are your friends.DmitryYahoo! Groups Links --Markus Sandyhttp://apperceptions.org http://spinflow.orgYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo!
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Hi Dmitry,Thankyou for responding to the group.I have a few questions and comments about this whole situation.I simply cannot see how taking video without the maker's knowledge or consent, creating a series with it, linking back to your own site, using no attribution whatsoever and implicating them as members of your community is a compelling service for video producers. I think it is, however, a compelling service to Veoh as it gives an artificial inflation of your numbers which, I'm sure, is quite helpful when looking for VC funding for your company.In your terms of service, you spell out your own copyright for the site. How would you feel about a company that decided it wanted to help you avoid the costs of running your site by sucking the content out of it and hosting it on their own site without your knowledge or consent. They could then drive your traffic to them, thereby saving you the costs associated with bandwidth. I'm sure that you wouldn't perceive it as helpful though, would you? If you truly thought that what you were doing was helpful, you might have come in here before now and told us what a marvelous job you were doing helping us all and encouraging us to come claim our feeds. Instead, we find out accidentally and now you are here to tell us that it's for our own good and that you are helping us. Not cool. Not legal. Not helpful. Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is serious business.On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thank you for approving me for this group.I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear you loud and clear.It is not our intention to steal anyone's content.We are simplytrying to create a compelling service for video producers of allkinds, with a big focus on enabling video bloggers to be free of restrictions to broadcast.In fact, we did consider simply creating asite where we would link to videoblogs, but felt that this may causeyou to experiencesignificant costs.The reason we transcode thecontent is to offload those costs from you to us.Maybe this is not the right thing to do.We are open to your comments, and will obeyyour wishes.Please forgive us if you are one of the people that feel that we havegone about this the wrong way, we will make changes to accommodate your preferences.We did not mean to infringe on anyone's rights, wesimply tried to make it simple for people to find your videos in asingle place.This is an evolutionary process, and we are working onrefining it.We would greatly appreciate your help in making Veoh a great citizen of the video blogging world.For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will havea chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoringthe event, and will throw a party afterwards. I encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are thegood guys.We will do ANYTHING to prove that to you, really.I will personally make sure that anyone that wants their feed off ofour system gets a quick response to their wishes. Dmitry ShapiroCEOVeoh Networks, Inc.619-602-3305 cell[EMAIL PROTECTED]Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Most favorite vlogs
i love the PAN. great concept with a great execution.On 4/6/06, Nathan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PAN rocks!nathan millerwww.bicycle-sidewalk.com --- contactmica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello - I noticed the thread on favorite vlogs going on and I wanted to take a minute to explain a little more about The Public Address Network (aka The PAN) , because it's a really good place to find new stuff to watch. I started it because I wanted to see all of my favorite videos in one place and I wanted to see them develop and bump into each other and pretend that that's what tv actually is.. could be? It's pretty much why I never have time to post here anymore. I am totally obsessed with it, consumed. You may even say in love. Actually, what we are doing is quite simple Adam Quirk ( http://www.bullemhead.com ) and myself have teamed up with some of the most amazing vlogger-artist-filmmakers and friends ( http://www.thepan.org/contributors/ ) to create this daily videopodcast/videoblog. Each day one of us pulls together a 15 min stream of videos from anywhere. Usually highlighting work from videoblogs as well as other video makers who may not have a daily feed of content on their site. We also include all kinds of video oddities and rare finds from the depths of the web. We also make new things, just for The PAN audience! And there is MUCH more to come! So please, stop by, check out some links, leave us a comment or two. feel free to take borrow of our signature promo videos from the library ( http://www.thepan.org/promos/) and do with it what you will. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Noob Question - Animations?
hi mandi,depends on the type of animation. some use flash or director to animate. flash is a lot easier than director, in my opinion. stop animation is done using stills. you can do animation using a scanner (some of those can be pretty cool, i think! love low tech solutions). really, anything that can make an image in a format that's compatible with your editing software is fair game. there are lots of freeware and shareware products to check out if you're looking specifically for animation software. just google them. way to brag about your new computer, too! i'm jealous!!anneOn 4/6/06, Mandi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everyone!I'm not new to blogging OR video editing -- but I am new to video blogging, AND I just got my first Mac (iMac Core Duo) yesterday, soI'm still trying to get the hang of it (but I'm LOVING it so far).My question is:I've seen a lot of vlogs using short animated clips. Not just the title-effects or transitions from iMovie -- but shortanimations such as some of the Creative-Commons animations that are inthe Files secton of this yahoo group.I was wondering what software is used to create those animations (specifically on a Mac)?Thanks!- MandiYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Adam Curry on GeekBrief.tv
geez, casey! he's been posted those online again i told him it was bad for our image!On 4/5/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Devlon-What I said was Adam Curry clears up concerns that under the Podshow contract he owns all Podshow producers' content.What he said in theinterview was content isn't owned by us it's owned by the producers. That said... what else does he need to say?This was the biggest concern addressed by Keith and the Girl... and by making thisstatement on GeekBrief.tv, he has made a public statement that I wouldimagine can hold him accountable in a court of law if someone has aproblem. What else do you want him to do... swear on the bible?Devlon, I'm a fracking ninja... if I'm in your bedroom, you wouldn'teven know I was there.Personally, I like your pink frilly pantiesthe best... they frame your butt very nicely. ;)Caseyhttp://www.kitkast.com/--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have steered away from the question all together not opened with it 'so we can clear all the doubts once and for all...' And how'd you know I wore panties today? On 4/5/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Relax guys, there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch overthis interview... what sort of questions do you think you would ask if you were interviewing your idol?If I was interviewing someone I look up to... like Kyle McLaughlin or Bill Shatner... I doubt I would ask too many controversial questions. There are two sides to every story and Cali from Geek Briefhappens to like Podshow and Adam Curry... so why is it so wrong that shewould be happy to promote the system and its' founder? Casey http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote: Which is total BS. It's a classic Old Corporation approach. TheRight Thing to do is just make their standard public. The fact thatthey're hiding it makes me pretty sure it's pretty bad. - Andreas On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:19:23 +0200, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote:Hello, There's a bit more info there.But they're really avoidanswering questions there too. See ya On 4/5/06, john coffey jimmycrackhead2000@ wrote: What a load of crap! Geekbrief is totally swingin on Adams you know what! For a more objective talk check out Podcast 411 http://media24a.libsyn.com/podcasts/podcast411/411_060308.mp3 http://www.jchtv.com/ --- Devlon duthied@ wrote: http://geekbrief.podshow.com/?p=69 She's a podshow 'gal.And it showswhere's the hard questions? On 4/5/06, Casey McKinnon mskitka@ wrote:Thought this was interesting and that others might enjoy it...Adam Curry clears up concerns that under thePodshow contract he owns all Podshow producers' content:http://geekbrief.podshow.com/?p=69 Caseyhttp://www.kitkast.com/ [...] -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com - blogs, vlogs and video goodness http://mefeedia.com - The easiest way to find free video podcasts http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://devlonduthie.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Adam Curry on GeekBrief.tv
from the reading on keith and the girl, however, a bigger and better opportunity would be difficult as, after the end of your contract with podshow, they retain rights to your brand in perpetuity - your name, your logo, your content during your contract and the content that you made coming into it. your website would be theirs. that was my interpretation. it's just like record labels who sign people up when they are new and then own the rights to their music forever after. podcasting was supposed to be a way to get away from record labels. wasn't that what curry was spouting when he started the thing? of course, many people will be fine with those terms because they are hoping that fame and fortune will offset the negatives and it might. that's an individual choice (one that i wouldn't make but that's me) either way, full disclosure is called for.anneOn 4/5/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, i think people interested in a podshow type of service are looking for exposure with the hope to land a bigger and better opportunity. well, that's the whole purpose, right? this likely holds more value than the content they will put out while in contract with podshow. its a price you pay for potential money and opportunity. cant have it all!sull On 4/5/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:that's probably what ot comes down to, yes. do they at least give some sort of royalties if podshow profits from your content?i think audio 'talk show' type content can often become irrelevent after some time passes whereas video is *more likely* to maintain a higer value as time passes. how many people go back and listen to a podcast from a year ago? unless these independent shows include quality music, live performances etc or is not entertainment content, then people would generally have an interest in podcast archives but for those interested in a podshow network, its mostly about entertainment and usually in the form of radio talk shows. so, maybe it doesnt fucking matter who has the rights in actuality and only good for a debate on what is fair to content creators etc. again, video is different in my mind. its possible you have YOU as a visual and that is something you dont nec want to have put out there and remixed and put out of context without your consent (and any other person that is captured). there's my besides the point piece of babble. ;)sullOn 4/5/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I'd need to actually read the contract, but I have a feeling that Adam Curry is using a bit of word play to mislead people. Let me explain.While technically, they don't own the content, it has the effect that they own the content. If PodShow gets exclusive rights to do anything they want with your content forever, and you cannot use your content any more in any way, then, for all intents and purposes, they own your content. Although technically speaking, they don't own it... they just have a certain kind of contract which gives them all the legal rights that they would have if they owned it... and that same contact stripped you of virtuall all the legal rights you had as owner. But, like I said, I'd need to actually read it for myself.See yaOn 4/5/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devlon-What I said was Adam Curry clears up concerns that under the Podshow contract he owns all Podshow producers' content.What he said in theinterview was content isn't owned by us it's owned by the producers. That said... what else does he need to say?This was the biggest concern addressed by Keith and the Girl... and by making thisstatement on GeekBrief.tv, he has made a public statement that I wouldimagine can hold him accountable in a court of law if someone has aproblem. What else do you want him to do... swear on the bible?Devlon, I'm a fracking ninja... if I'm in your bedroom, you wouldn'teven know I was there.Personally, I like your pink frilly pantiesthe best... they frame your butt very nicely. ;)Caseyhttp://www.kitkast.com/--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have steered away from the question all together not opened with it 'so we can clear all the doubts once and for all...' And how'd you know I wore panties today? On 4/5/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Relax guys, there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch overthis interview... what sort of questions do you think you would ask if you were interviewing your idol?If I was interviewing someone I look up to... like Kyle McLaughlin or Bill Shatner... I doubt I would ask too many controversial questions. There are two sides to every story and Cali from Geek Briefhappens to like Podshow and Adam Curry... so why is it so wrong that shewould be happy to promote the system and its' founder? Casey http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote: Which is total BS. It's a classic Old Corporation
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Danger Vlogging: Day 2
thanks, Stephanie!-anneOn 4/3/06, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'm going to say mea culpa. We have many volunteers offering to help put together the RSS feed, and I just have to pull the feeds together. It'll be another day, and my apologies for the delay.I'm in! Though I think Danger will be the running theme for me. We've already had a run-in with a Satan Pope on a crowded highway!web: http://chope.blip.tv/posts/?topic_name=videobloggingweek2006rss: http://chope.blip.tv/?topic_name=videobloggingweek2006skin=rssYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Productive Member of the Group
Chuck! you dirty bastard!On 4/4/06, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must take this opportunity to showcase my finest hour in therealm of vlogging. It is for the adults in the audience. I think.It's called, Bathroom Honesty. http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/04/bathroom_honest.htmlor: http://tinyurl.com/qtaetnot naked,chuckmnstories.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep your pants on people. :) This is the videoblogging group right? We have a serious lack of boundries here. I know that's what I love most about this group.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Vlog Week: URLs and such
sorry, Stephanie. here's my feedhttp://nopractice.blogspot.com/atom.xmlit's not really a blog so I dont' really think about feeds on there. On 4/4/06, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working on the RSS/web page URL and should have something by theend of the day.I have a FireAnt-generated OPML file of all the valid feeds athttp://www.mortaine.com//Video/VlogWeek.opml , so you can import themquickly (I hope) to your vlog viewing program of choice.These are the videoblogs for which I couldn't find valid feeds or anyfeed or they weren't responding:Anne Walk http://nopractice.blogspot.com --NO FEED?Magic Monkey Bobhttp://magicmonkeybob.blogspot.com/ --NO FEED?Susan http://kitykity.blogspot.com/ --NO FEED?Ted Tagamihttp://www.tagami.com --FEED (invalid)Trine http://davidandtrine.org -- NOT RESPONDINGIf you have a feed for your vlog and I missed it, just drop me a lineso I can add it to the OPML file and, later the mega-feed.--Stephanie--Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED]Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at:http://www.mortaine.com/blogsYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlog Week: URLs and such
i have a feedburner feed now which is probably better. also, my first vid didn't even go to my site when (i thought!) i had crossposted from blip...but it's there now. geez. i have to get my head out of the clouds! anyway, here's the feedburner one: http://feeds.feedburner.com/NoPracticei think i need a nap. :)On 4/4/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here's mine: http://www.cirne.com/vlog/ ;), Enric--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working on the RSS/web page URL and should have something by the end of the day. I have a FireAnt-generated OPML file of all the valid feeds at http://www.mortaine.com//Video/VlogWeek.opml, so you can import them quickly (I hope) to your vlog viewing program of choice. These are the videoblogs for which I couldn't find valid feeds or any feed or they weren't responding: Anne Walk http://nopractice.blogspot.com --NO FEED? Magic Monkey Bob http://magicmonkeybob.blogspot.com/ --NO FEED? Susan http://kitykity.blogspot.com/ --NO FEED? Ted Tagamihttp://www.tagami.com --FEED (invalid) Trine http://davidandtrine.org -- NOT RESPONDING If you have a feed for your vlog and I missed it, just drop me a line so I can add it to the OPML file and, later the mega-feed. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] SightSpeed, loadedpun and you!
hi folks,I did a little writeup about a video from SightSpeed and received a special offer and I am passing it along to anyone who cares to partake.Just go to loadedpun and read this post, including the comments and you will know what to do...:)-anne-- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Danger Vlogging: Day 2
hi Stephanie,can you add me too please at:http://nopractice.blogspot.com ?Thanks! good job too, btw!anneOn 4/3/06, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you still maintain the list please add;Blipshttp://vlogmatic.comthanks--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Stephanie Bryant[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'm going to say mea culpa. We have many volunteers offeringto help put together the RSS feed, and I just have to pull the feeds together. It'll be another day, and my apologies for the delay. Day Two's Dangerous Vlog inspiration: Vlog a secret. Again, the dangerously challenge is optional, and you don't have to do the suggested dangerous challenge. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogsYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] RSS feeds for videobloggingweek2006
Hi all!Since there seems to be some trouble with folks knowing where to tag in order to get a list of all participants, I made up a feed using FeedBlendr of everything tagged for the week's festivities in ourmedia, delicious,technorati, and blip. I can't seem to add mefeedia as there is nothing there currently with that tag and I can't generate a feed for it yet. Bummer. http://feedblendr.com/rss/2167I hope that helps.-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging]
hi Andrew,i think you should talk about issues that are important to you and to rocketboom. while many who post here regularly might not be interested in those topics, we do have a huge list of members and i'm sure many of them would be interested. also, there will be many at vloggercon who are not members of this group at all that would be interested in those topics. one of the nice things about a conference is that there are a variety of speakers and panels on a variety of topics. people can choose the ones that deal with issues they are interested in and not with those that don't. for myself, i'm interested in all aspects of online video - from the personal to the proffessional. From political documentaries and talk shows to heightening individual communications between distant friends and public journalizing, and from amateur home movies to experimental art pieces. I want to see a Vloggercon that encompasses possibility and encourages creative solutions.-AnneOn 4/1/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to figure out what would be the best angle to discussat Vloggercon for our panel with Rocketboom and so I thought weshould probably just ask what you think would be the most interestingor useful direction. At first we were considering a discussion about how the world iscoming together over video online, though you know more than anyoneabout that already.We also thought it might be useful to discuss all kinds of business aspects, including contracts, deals, ways to consider monetizing ornot, more ways to promote and distribute, business horror stories,etc. but I'm not sure if the majority of videobloggers would findthat useful either. There is also the topic of show and format, but again, I don'tknow if many people are interested in that.Over the past year, in other cases of panels, its been pretty easy to figure out because the audiences have been almost entirely out of theloop so whatever the thread of the conference was, we would just talkabout our take on the matters.So here we are with all like-minded people and wondering what we could do to be the most helpfulAny ideas?Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Video Interview Techniques: What Are Your Tips And Tricks?
hey bre,try this for tips on interviewshttp://www.mediacollege.com/video/interviews/tips.htmland this on basic three point lighting (the best for faces) http://www.planetoftunes.com/dv/lighting.htmlif you're going to be shooting someone doing some sort of activity, this one is good too http://www.urbanfox.tv/creative/sequences.htmlvideo making for cash. i wonder what that must be like...:)anneOn 3/31/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Are you using the SD300? On Mar 31, 2006, at 7:01 PM, pettisb wrote:interview the person with my hand held sd300--Steve--http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.comMy most recent post:VLOG SOUP: Episode 12http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy CarpenterAlternative reply address:stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.netYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Sun to Vanish: Total Eclipse Visible in Select Spots
great! now i have that song stuck in my head!!On 3/27/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, I wished I could even say that I had to cancel a trip to Istanbul ;)On 3/27/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any videobloggers in Brazil, Africa, and western Asia? A total eclipse of the Sun that will take place on Wednesday, March 29? I was planning to vlog the eclipse from Istanbul but I had to cancel my trip at the last minute. :-( andy carvin www.andycarvin.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.comhttp://mefeedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: sxsw mentions
i agree, Michael and Devlon, there needs to be a better way to search video. did you see that podzinger is searching video now? they're making an api too but i don't know when it will be out. mefeedia and others should get a hold of it when it comes out and make the videos searchable without tagging. that would be sweet!anneOn 3/20/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/20/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, yeah, Please tag all your videos with SXSW wether on mefeedia.com, blip.tv , del.icio.us or fireant.Yes, please do, I am trying to live vicariously through the videos...I couldn't go :( I've been trying to create a repository on Mefeedia. BTW, the vlogosphere needs better search. I need to be able to search the entire vlogosphere for posts with videos that mention SXSW. And yeah, I'm speaking about mefeedia.com search... It's almost there but NOT. It only allows you to search videos if they're tagged yet.It does need to search better, but it can only search feeds that have been added to it. Currently there's no way to search the vlogosphere like you can search the blogosphere like technoratti. Right now blogdigger is the best thing I can find. http://blogdigger.com/media/search.jsp?q=SXSWmedia=video And I must admit it works decently, but I think it may be missing stuff. Hard to say at this point. SXSW is a great keyword. I popped the search result feed from blogdigger into Mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/feeds/6919/ Check out the interactive QT from the Flock presentation. It's interactive QT export from keynote, very slick, but the back button doesn't always work. :) Peace, -Mike On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Peter Van Dijck wrote: I don't think there's an easy way... you can tag them though, and add them to this page: http://mefeedia.com/tags/sxsw/ Peter -- http://mefeedia.com On 3/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... so how do I go about having my vids show up in that feed? I admit that I don't know how... Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are quite a few videos from SXSW http://mefeedia.com/feeds/6919/ And more to come I hope from the vloggers who were there..? I wish I was there.. Peter -- mefeedia.com On 3/20/06, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool stuff! And I was THERE! :D I've got some of the highlights of Mike from blip.tv's panel appearance on my vlog--check it out. Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: good post on GigaOM nice mention of videoblogging group members mike hudack, dave toole and eric rice http://gigaom.com/2006/03/19/sxsw-2006-the-final-episode/ -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M
I know that, in the art world, artists are allowed to use copyrighted materials in their work - at least, they have since I last did. In Canada, the right of the artist to use pop culture iconography as critique has held. Could be changing soon though, the way things are going. I find it interesting that videobloggers are categorized under the same rules as filmmakers and not artists when it comes to copyright enforcement. how does one tell the difference when it comes to videoblogs? One thing that may present a problem is when a videographer uses a song, for example, as a soundtrack and it is not a critique of any kind and does not add to the video's narrative but serves only as musical accompaniment. That doesn't constitute fair use. That just constitutes use. I have seen videos that have used illegal content (images, audio) that I would fight to protect from being shut down because the content serves an important function within the context of the video's narrative. It's a murky issue.On 3/18/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond Fair Use:I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that theuse of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publisherstends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, Iusually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think ita flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to thecontent. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, theflaw would be gone.Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fairuse, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guessfeeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, nomatter how great some content might otherwise be. On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote: I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the culture around them without the kind of friction the current system presents. . I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this stuff. If you haven't already, I recommend checking out Free Culture by Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,and how it could be changed for the better. Then JD's book, Darknet gives a glimpse of what is actually happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your local library. Time to change the system. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will likely never receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if you ever wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear the rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but that's the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its very typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved to pick up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole industries built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't take these things lightly. It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come. Obviously its impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and someone's job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue. -Josh On 3/18/06, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster, I don't have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a hobby and puts the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets face it a selective audience of ten's around the world. I don't advertise, the free video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some occasions put on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only generates 1000 views, from this site. I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British versions thereof.Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved. I await with humor. Paul Knight On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:If anyone thinks oh they wont come after me, think again. My internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The station didnt make any money at all. No
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
hi michael,i always appreciate your input into conversations.i don't, personally have a length requirement on what i consider good. actually, i think it's sad that attention spans have reached the size of commercial spots. there is something to be said for being taken on a visual and auditory journey and not a drive through. i heartily agree with the distinctive voice criterion. also, a distinctive point of view. if you are talking about something that you love or hate, i want to know why. gimme some meat under that gravy!passion yes...but, just making a video makes it mediated. even unexpected, captured moments are mediated once the camera is lifted. i'm beginning to wonder if there really are unmediated moments anymore. maybe on the toilet. smile anneOn 3/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to ressurect this long and finished thread but I was away and didn't get to add my 2¢ - and lord knows I love to do that.So I agree with those of you saying good is really good to me. Like all things good it's relative. Outside of that, what I think is good usually (but not always) has these things in common: Short - usually under 5 minutes, often under 3 minutes. I say this not because I'm really opposed to watching longer things but for two basic reasons - 1. it usually requires more work to make something short than to make it long and I appreaciate that. 2. To make something long and have it be as engaging as a well done short piece usually takes more time, energy, money and production skill than the average hobbiest can muster. After a while you might as well be trying to make a TV show or a film. Style and voice - I like things that, even if they are a single shot, have a very distinct style or voice to them. If you're going to be mundane please give us your unique take on that life.Passion or authenticity - I like when I can tell that the person who made it loves what they are doing. I also love when people show me something real and unmeadiated. -Verdi SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
