RE: [videoblogging] Re: to buy a macbook pro or not?
What about the wieght difference between the pro and non? Worth it? I'm sick of lugging my wide-screen Vaio ...the small macbook looks tasty. -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Howell Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: to buy a macbook pro or not? I just bought the new MacBook Pro (15.4, 2.4GHz) and Final Cut Pro 2. To say that I love it would be an understatement. I dont have any issues in FCP where I would say that the machine is lacking in any way. If you want mobility and power, go for it. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to use Final Cut Pro and want to be mobile than a MacBook Pro is certainly the way to go. I have the first version - 15.4, 2GHz - and I love it. I've been using nothing but Apple laptops for editing since the G3 Pismo came out 7 years ago. - Verdi On 7/12/07, Miranda Leitsinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, i am one of the new people here. i have a really basic question: i am getting into video editing with the intent of making short docs that i will eventually want to put online. i am trying to decide if i should buy a macbookpro (the 2.4 ghz, with the 15.4 inch display). i am learning final cut pro but also know avid xpress. it just seems like life would be simpler with the mac. what do people think of the macbookpro? is it a must have for video editing, or is there something else out there i should look at? sorry for such a newbie question! thanks, miranda __ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: to buy a macbook pro or not?
Damn, I was hoping for more reasons to get the cheaper one :) -- -Devlon -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:13 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: to buy a macbook pro or not? The 15 is not too much heavier than the 13 MacBook and on the plus side - must haves are - better video card, can hold more ram, higher resolution screen and matte screen option. Also I'm not certain but I heard some new features of Final Cut Studio may not run on the MacBook's video card. - Verdi On 7/12/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the wieght difference between the pro and non? Worth it? I'm sick of lugging my wide-screen Vaio ...the small macbook looks tasty. -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Howell Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: to buy a macbook pro or not? I just bought the new MacBook Pro (15.4, 2.4GHz) and Final Cut Pro 2. To say that I love it would be an understatement. I dont have any issues in FCP where I would say that the machine is lacking in any way. If you want mobility and power, go for it. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to use Final Cut Pro and want to be mobile than a MacBook Pro is certainly the way to go. I have the first version - 15.4, 2GHz - and I love it. I've been using nothing but Apple laptops for editing since the G3 Pismo came out 7 years ago. - Verdi On 7/12/07, Miranda Leitsinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, i am one of the new people here. i have a really basic question: i am getting into video editing with the intent of making short docs that i will eventually want to put online. i am trying to decide if i should buy a macbookpro (the 2.4 ghz, with the 15.4 inch display). i am learning final cut pro but also know avid xpress. it just seems like life would be simpler with the mac. what do people think of the macbookpro? is it a must have for video editing, or is there something else out there i should look at? sorry for such a newbie question! thanks, miranda __ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] got any Xacti example vids?
I think Markus uses an Xacti? apperceptions.org Or Verdi too, I think? -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Meade Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:16 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] got any Xacti example vids? I've been thinking about the Xacti cameras lately (or others of similar design), and have been trying to read up on them online. Unfortunately all the user reviews usually have the same problems: 1) EXTREME (polar opposite) opinions on video quality in the same forum 2) No actual video to back up either opinion :-P I know a lot of folks here use Xacti or similar form factor cameras ... but we don't often know the camera being used by someone when we watch their vlog ... So, I was wondering if some folks with various models of xacti (or similar form factor) cameras could reply here with which model you use, and a link to an example video. I'm basically trying to see the actual end result video from the various models. Indoor lighting vs outdoor, color quality, etc etc etc But if you want to include other information such as battery life / gripes /etc that would be most welcome as well. :-) I've read on this list that some people are disappointed with the sound these cameras capture ... I'm wondering how it compares to using internal mics on other cameras though ... worse than normal or just the standard internal mics suck? Thanks in advance, - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] My new video obsession....
I am enjoying the video on 'the facebook' a lot. One thing that I noticed, is that I can't get rss out, etcand I was kind of ok with that? Is the heat getting to me, I mean media, locked up behind a login. -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rupert Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:34 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] My new video obsession I started watching earlier today, but got interrupted. Happy Birthday! It's like the iSight was built for you, Schlomo. Very few people could make films as entertaining as that with their MBPs. I bet no one else's MBP iSight videos will get shown at Pixelodeon next year. And it feels different somehow that it's on Facebook... sorry - the Facebook. Nicer forum for it than just a mass video sharing site or a blog. (that reminds me - I saw on Viddler they're giving away iPhones to people who make 30 second MeToday videos this month.) What you say makes total sense to me - the immediacy and satisfaction of it. It's been low maintenance creative fun for me to snap stuff, cut it occasionally in the phone and just send it off. You only have to worry about what's in front of the camera - you haven't got half your brain in the future, thinking about downloading, compressing, uploading, posting, etc and whether what you're shooting is worth the effort down the line. So it just frees you to just Do Stuff. The little creative muscles need flexing as well as the big ones. Not that mine would be as fun as yours, but I'd love to be able to do it. God DAMN, i wish i could afford a Macbook Pro (the phone i use was a free upgrade btw, and the phone plan is pretty average - all data goes via regular wifi). I am in webcam hell with this Powerbook. The other night i had to use my big old XL1 DV camera as a webcam for the flashmeeting - and then it ran out of battery. And I'd left the power cord somewhere. Anybody have a Powerbook with a webcam that actually works well? With iChat, etc? Care to let me know what it is?? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 6 Jul 2007, at 18:26, schlomo rabinowitz wrote: Hey all Lately my small life has become consumed with making videos on the Facebook. I'm not sure why.. you dont get stats, you cant see who has been watching them, and you don't get an RSS feed. In fact, all you can do is record into the web browser and tag it with your friends names if they are in the video-- you cant even make up your own tags!! But its become a very intimate connector for me. It's like Ruperts Twittervlog, but without the expensive camera and monthly phone plan. Blip.tv used to have a similar feature early-on that only worked in Safari. I remember using it in a similar way, but the Facebook version is really well done and should be abused by all videobloggers! Its strange, but for some reason I enjoy making these sorts of videos this way, but on my personal site I want to make stories in a different way. With the In-Browser Recording, I like to just communicate in an instant messenger sort of way. Does that make sense to anyone else? It's the immediacy of the process that I enjoy (again, it helps me understand why Rupert and Steve get excited about their phones) Anyway, here are the couple I've done: http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=880965647 I encourage you to make some of your own! Right now! Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://weknowhow.tv http://winkshow.com http://hatfactory.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
Stat tracking for media is a bitch. Content can be linked in and pulled around by so many aggregators, rss-forwarders, etc. that one single piece of media can appear in 10 different places quite easily. I have no solid suggestions yet :) but this is a conversation dear to my heartand all my pulled out hair. -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rupert Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:06 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics I'm on a roll, today. I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking about statistics. I hate that. But on the other hand, it's terrible if everybody thinks that they can't say how many viewers they have because they'd be perceived as unpopular and unsuccessful. I'd be really interested on your thoughts about this. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I'm with Carl. If we want to use crowd 'weight' wouldn't an email/blog/pr frenzy be more effective? also, just saying :) -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Weaver Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image? I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan deserves his fees (and 3 times that because of the infringement) but to raise it ourselves lets Podtech off the hook a little bit. Okay, so Lan is paid - why should Podtech cough up the dough then? I'm just sayin'... Carl Carl Weaver Photographer http://www.carlweaver.com http://www.camerasamurai.com - Photography education, news, tips and more http://dcmetrostories.com - DC Metro Stories: Stories about the people, places and events in the DC Metro area http://nextlifeintheafternoon.com - A Journey Through Thailand Michael Sullivan wrote: no comment except that i bet we could organize a little crowdfunding effort to pay lan before podtech does. care for some competition, podtech? lan, how much do we need to raise? Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [videoblogging] MeFeedia - Can Ping It But CANNOT Log Onto It
Thanks David, But I'll add an update :) We're going to be moving to a new location shortly so we can leave these problems in the dust. Thanks for the patience. -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond From: David Meade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:01 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [videoblogging] MeFeedia - Can Ping It But CANNOT Log Onto It Hi Patrick - The hosting company that hosts MeFeedia has had some (extremely frustrating) issues lately. It's not you, its the hosting company. The site should be back up shortly, and you'll be able to add your feed then. We're in touch with the hosting company now, and there are aggressive plans already in motion to ensure this sort of problem doesn't bother us much longer. Thanks for your patience. Feel free to join the MeFeedia user list if you haven't already ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mefeedia-users/) ... we'll be sure to send an update once we get those aggressive plans completed. :-) Thanks for the heads up, and I look forward to seeing you on MeFeedia! - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com http://mefeedia.com/user/DavidMeade/ On 6/25/07, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: Is it just me or has the MeFeedia website gone AWOL? I can ping the domain and get packets back, but CANNOT for some strange reason LOG ONTO the website (I'm wanting to add the RSS Feed of my TV show to the MeFeedia listings). I know it's not me as I can connect to other websites without a problem. I even power cycled my cable modem to see if that was the problem (It wasn't). I've tried connecting using IE, Safari For Windows Firefox (I've also got SeaMonkey Netscape 9, but I don't think they'd fare any better). All three browsers seem to get hung up in the WAITING FOR http://www.mefeedia.com/ mode. I hope it's just me, but something tells me it's not Just a inquirous piece of information :D Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado BLOGS PODCASTS - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Blogger Page) - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ THE PAT COOK SHOW (Audio Podcast) - http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Non Commercial vlog funding experiment
If you are on a Wordpress blog I think you could use showinabox.tv to get that functionality? -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of caminofilm Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Non Commercial vlog funding experiment If I'm to continue with my vlog, I really need to start making some money, so I can justify the time spent NOT working on other commercial projects that feed me. So I have set up a fundable pledge, whereby viewers and subscribers to my vids, can donate to allow me the time and resources to edit another month of stories. I'm sure there are many in this group interested in following this experiment Mark www.overlander.tv Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: All the Vlogging News on One Page - Vlog Razor
Very cool. If loadedpun.com's stuff could be at the bottom of that page...it might make more sense...it hasn't been updated for months and I doubt it ever will. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Cheryl wrote: This is really cool - I like it. Unless I'm mistaken, you missed 2 things... Jan of FauxPress and I and probably others have been using these del.icio.us tags to bookmark vlog news items: http://del.icio.us/tag/vlogpresskit (for news about vlogging in general) http://del.icio.us/tag/vloggersinthenews (for when we spot vloggers in news items) Can you aggregate those into the mix at vlograzor.com? Also, anyone here can add those tags to their own del.icio.us bookmarks in order to add to the stream. I think that's cool! -- Cheryl Colan hummingcrow.com node101phoenix.org whatwefound.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can get all the Vlogging News on One Page with... Vlog Razor http://vlograzor.com/ Good for * People who like to see all the news summarized on one page. * People who don't like using Feed aggregators * People who don't have their Feed aggregators with them (at work, on the road, etc) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ ___ Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, and Racing... http://tirebiterz.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: All the Vlogging News on One Page - Vlog Razor
:) cool. Hm...I wonder if we could get a feed of all the blogs from vlogging related sites/services (blip, feedburner, dtv, mefeedia, vlogmap, vlogdir, etc, etc., etc.)like a feed of updates, news, etc. Thanks, Devlon Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: OK... I've rearranged things a bit. How does the ordering look now to everyone? On 6/2/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool. If loadedpun.com's stuff could be at the bottom of that page...it might make more sense...it hasn't been updated for months and I doubt it ever will. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Cheryl wrote: This is really cool - I like it. Unless I'm mistaken, you missed 2 things... Jan of FauxPress and I and probably others have been using these del.icio.us tags to bookmark vlog news items: http://del.icio.us/tag/vlogpresskit (for news about vlogging in general) http://del.icio.us/tag/vloggersinthenews (for when we spot vloggers in news items) Can you aggregate those into the mix at vlograzor.com? Also, anyone here can add those tags to their own del.icio.us bookmarks in order to add to the stream. I think that's cool! -- Cheryl Colan hummingcrow.com node101phoenix.org whatwefound.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can get all the Vlogging News on One Page with... Vlog Razor http://vlograzor.com/ Good for * People who like to see all the news summarized on one page. * People who don't like using Feed aggregators * People who don't have their Feed aggregators with them (at work, on the road, etc) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ __ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ __ Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, and Racing... http://tirebiterz.com/
Re: [videoblogging] A Webby Request: 5 Clever Words
It's a small world...again? Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Nathan Freitas wrote: Media permalinks make us happy. Jeroen Wijering rules. Pro accounts for sale now! +nathan On 5/31/07, dinarebecca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi you guys! Wanted to solicit some help for our five-word (or less) acceptance speech at the Webbies. Justin has the best one I've heard so far: Please. Keep. Uploading. Does anyone have any other thoughts/ideas/suggestions? (Also, the tickets are insane this year, so if anyone - by any chance - has an extra ticket we would LOVE to buy that from you and will be forever and ever and ever grateful!) Thanks so much, Dina
Re: [videoblogging] Political Video
I have a PC that sits here and does very little all day besides load different browsers...but his instructions are for Mac. I don't think I have time to get it figured out though, so if any PC users do, post the steps somewhere and I can help. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com -new and improved! Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Jay dedman wrote: I could *probably* help out, but it'd have to be with the help of Skype (I have a capturing program that will record Skype calls WITH VIDEO). I'm not sure about this (As I haven't actually worked with the two applications hand in hand as of yet), but I think as long as I disable the sending of my own video (Otherwise we'd probably get my video as a watermark in one of the lower corners, which of course we don't want :) ). thanks Pat. for now..we're looking for people who have a dedicated machine for a week. we first need to get all the material. we'll then need help adding metadata to the videos..so that's where you could help out. Jay
Re: [videoblogging] will ferrel
Sorry Rupert, I got what you meant. My reply was more to Andrew's post :) ...letting it die now. Thanks, Devlon Rupert wrote: Uh, yeah, I was tongue in cheek responding to Andrew's slightly tongue in cheek question. Because i'm sure everyone finds those long energetic debates about 'what is a videoblog' so much fun. Anyway, there *is* no feed there. They just want you to go to their site. So. No blog format, no feed for podcasting... is he really a ... ;) On 17 Apr 2007, at 16:05, Devlon Duthie wrote: ummight also have been just looking for the rss ;) to subscribe, etc. Sometimes it's near impossible to find on some sites. Thanks, Devlon Rupert wrote: oh good, that's really lifted my spirits. i'd been hoping we'd have this discussion again soon. :) On 17 Apr 2007, at 14:55, andrew michael baron wrote: 2 years later, does the question still apply? No feed = no videoblog? :) On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:39 AM, joshpaul wrote: Is there a feed? I couldn't find one. On 4/17/07, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is now a videoblogger :) Some of ours are funnier though. http://funnyordie.com Peter -- my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Great videoblogging week mashup!
A little birdie told me that there are bunch here: http://videobloggingweek.mefeedia.com/ Thanks, Devlon Rupert wrote: from xolo.tv at http://watchme.xolo.tv/ lots of my favorite moments (some *cough* are missing)... but so much I still haven't seen! How am I ever going to see it all?? Did we get any tallies of the total number of vids at the end of the week? Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] RSS feed
In windows I right-click on the podcast, and choose 'show description' ...and it's at the top of the new pop up window that displays. Thanks, Devlon Steve Garfield wrote: good question! On Apr 17, 2007, at 8:18 PM, lintoncitos wrote: How do you determine the RSS feed of a podcast on itunes? With friendly greetings, Linton http://counselingexam.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: mefeedia question
Hi David, send me an email off-list and I'll get it straight for you :) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com -new and improved! Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com David King wrote: Sorry I'm being dense about this - but where do those two keyword fields show up (the media and the itunes:keywords feeds)? I'm not seeing how to access those in mefeedia, blogger, or in feedburner or blip... am I missing something? Thanks again! David On 3/31/07, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, Thanks for the question. On tagging, we look at several places in the feed: media:keywords itunes:keywords category and reltag (Devlon would have to answer the specifics there). For example, in your RSS feed, I found this: media:keywordsdavidleeking,experienceplanning,videoblogging/media:keywords itunes:keywordsdavidleeking,experienceplanning,videoblogging/itunes:keywords So the easiest way to remove the experienceplanning tag is to remove the keyword. In the near future, we are planning a feed claiming feature that will allow you to manipulate your feed(s) directly in Mefeedia. Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank%40mefeedia.com http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, watch, and share great videoblogs Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, David King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tagging - how do I remove a tag from my videos? Most of my videos ( http://mefeedia.com/feeds/7059) there have experienceplanning as a tag... but that's not really accurate! and I'm a librarian, so that really keeps me awake at night, ya know? :-) -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NewTeeVee Request for reactions to State of Vlogosphere
Don't forget, Mefeedia is driven by user-added feeds. People add feeds to Mefeedia because they want to pull media in from different sources to get their fill. So the numbers would never be indicative of 'whats out there' (have fun with that task), but more importantly...what are people indexing? And from what distribution channels. I don't think the focus of those numbers were meant to be on where the video is hostedit's about distribution, not housing. I look forward to making the numbers more granular so we can answer questions like, who tags what where, why, whenin association with what else...Once geolocation picks up more (we index this now as well) in feed meta we can start seeing global hot spots (besides the obvious) that is a different view on things than an excellent site like vlogmap.org (which is another old-timer in this area) One interesting thing that comes out of these numbers is maybe youtube does a good enough job of aggregating that type of content on it's own site...so viewers don't need to set them up in an aggregator ...a theory... Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com -new and improved! Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Jackson West wrote: Here's my piece. Thanks to everyone for their questions and feedback, and Frank for answering my questions about the report and participating in the conversation. http://newteevee.com/2007/03/30/mefeedia-tracks-huge-growth-in-vlogs/ Comments are open and always appreciated. Best, JW
Re: [videoblogging] It's Official, We Won
Congrats! I love the ninja. -- Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com -new and improved! Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Kent Nichols wrote: Hey Guys: Just wanted to thanks again to the community. Your support, guidance, and friendship has been invaluable to Douglas and myself. I only hope we can give back more than we've received. -K, Cross posted from: http://www.askaninja.com/node/3220 Well, Thank you. Thanks to our fans from AskANinja.com, Myspace.com, Digg.com, iTunes, YouTube.com and everywhere else.com. Because of your efforts we won a href=http://youtube.com/ytawards;Best Series of 2006 on YouTube/a. A YouTubey. The media has been calling a lot today, so keep your eyes peeled for the Ninja. :) Not to get too corny, but the key is YOU. You send in the questions. You keep us pumped about what we're doing. When we started Ask A Ninja, Douglas and I were at the lowest point of our careers. We had nothing but an inspiration to start a gmail account. And you sent in questions, we started laughing and then the whole world came in on the joke. So thank you. We owe you a lot and I hope we can continue to entertain you for years to come. -Kent, Douglas, and the Ninja Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update
Hey sull, That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting Mefeedia. I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't keeping up with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious to hear what wonderous things had been discussed. Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this year, we have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in rounding out the tags that we parse from the rss post. So, the short answer, is we track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag clips at Mefeedia. ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community works sull, I know all too well :) Thanks, Devlon sull wrote: I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia. But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%). And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net Video Culture. It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of technology adoption. Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another... Lists, Guides, tags Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to tag stuff locally on mefeedia site? Sull On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for tracking our tags? -Devlon Josh Leo wrote: Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007 I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps other people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So far all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some other details. so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update
Thanks Jan, that's a better way of what I was trying to say. Use all the main tagging services you can handle, not just one. I think we've fixed up the blogger-mf formatting, please let me/us know if you see something that looks goofy. The new changes related to tagging involve parsing the description, content and content:encoded of the rss item/post for rel=tag (this should be in everyone's workflow imho) as well as adding keywords from media:keywords, media:category and itunes:keywords. I was pretty surprised how many people don't tag their clips. (...sorry sull, it's a very bad, bad morning...mea culpa?) -- Devlon Jan McLaughlin wrote: Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious, Technorati) and see which keeps track best. Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first thing 4/8 run 'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me drag them back into my burgeoning workflow. It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia stopped translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the cross-post wrought. Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags? Jan On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey sull, That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting Mefeedia. I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't keeping up with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious to hear what wonderous things had been discussed. Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this year, we have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in rounding out the tags that we parse from the rss post. So, the short answer, is we track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag clips at Mefeedia. ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community works sull, I know all too well :) Thanks, Devlon sull wrote: I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia. But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%). And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net Video Culture. It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of technology adoption. Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another... Lists, Guides, tags Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to tag stuff locally on mefeedia site? Sull On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for tracking our tags? -Devlon Josh Leo wrote: Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007 I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps other people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So far all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some other details. so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update
Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for tracking our tags? -Devlon Josh Leo wrote: Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007 I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps other people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So far all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some other details. so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: video Blogging Week 2007
I wonder if technorati can keep up with y'all this time :) Anne and I had fun participating last year, but not sure if we'll contribute anything this year. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com -new and improved! Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Mike Moon wrote: WooHOo! I started vlogging the week after vlogging week last year. Hmmm, let's see... a can of red paint, a rusty old saw, 33 elder people, a bale of hay, a car battery, a copy of Tom Jones greatest hits, a rented tattoo artist, sheep shears and a gallon of chocolate ice cream... yup, I'm ready. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been declared: Video blogging Week 2007 April 1-7 2007 prepare yourselves! -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon=AnythingAnywhere
Now that's an idea I'd buy into. Like the barcamp thing, didn't they have a simul-event? It could be piped into Second Life for satellites there :) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com sull wrote: maybe vloggercon should not be in a single location but have several satellite events that can vary wildy in style. then pick which one you want to go to... that you think you would enjoy more. they all start on same day... but they can vary in length. maybe onces a meetup, and another is a week long camping thing. vlog it all. an exercise that would display one of the core strengths of why videoblogging canbe important... removing geo-barriers etc. collect all the footage into a blip-powered site. :)
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
I agree on the vertigo meeting. It was fantastic, way more creative rushes from that than vloggercon. I also agree that more time would be great, but I guess that's a post for the other list. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: Den 22.02.2007 kl. 22:10 skrev Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree that it should be much easier to have it be much less yahoo-group centric which should make it pretty interesting. I mostly want a reason to go to the US. In my own selfish world - and that's all that matters on the internet - I'd like to see less making money, more creation. And I don't care for red carpets, but I do care for group hugs and hyperbole. I would also like to see these Youtubers I keep hearing about, possibly study them in their natural habitat. I also would like to point out that it doesn't have to be named Vloggercon. PS. The video vertigo summit last year was very valuable. Tacking on such a thing again would be a Good Thing in my book. Preferably a full day instead of four-five hurried hours. Possibly in a setting where mock-ups and wireframes can be made.
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
Anne and I definitely need to get out to NY.if this is a vote, that's what 'd vote for. -- Devlon Mike Hudack wrote: NYC! NYC! NYC! -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sinton Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:16 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) NYC is fine with me. I know Peter was involved in the last vloggercon, and I will continue this and voluteer my services in any way that is helpful. -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs and podcasts. Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, RANDY MANN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok i will go along with the nyc thing as long as i can be the sound guy again On 2/22/07, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Schlomo's blessing, it's pretty much a done deal! Blip.tv would totally help organize it. Why Vloggercon 2007? Because the last one was one of the greatest weekends of my life. We have months to work out the actual agenda. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 14:45 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) What are people thinking they'd like do at another vloggercon aside from meet and hang out (which is a given!)? What developments in the last 9 months do you want to see addressed? What wasn't addressed last time that should have been? Basically I'm trying to steer the conversation from when and where to why. - Verdi On 2/22/07, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schlomo% 40gmail.com wrote: I can be, yes. And between you and the multitudes of New Yawkers, I think something beautiful can happen. Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://webshots.com/is/spotlight http://hatfactory.net http://evilvlog.com On 2/22/07, Robyn Tippins [EMAIL PROTECTED] robyn%40sleepyblogger.com robyn%40sleepyblogger.com wrote: Schlomo, will you be a planner this year again? I'll be glad to lend a hand to whoever is organizing it. I'm on the east coast. Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/software _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of schlomo rabinowitz Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:11 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) I'm into having it in NYC. I've been offered a couple spaces for the event as well. Schlomo http://schlomolog. http://schlomolog.blogspot.com blogspot.com http://webshots. http://webshots.com/is/spotlight com/is/spotlight http://hatfactory. http://hatfactory.net net http://evilvlog. http://evilvlog.com com On 2/22/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:enric% enric%25 enric%2540cirne.com com wrote: If Vloggercon is on the East Coast, who would be the organizers? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Robyn Tippins robyn@ wrote: I'll amen NY because it's cheap to fly into from almost anywhere. Robyn Tippins Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/software _ From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hope Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting) No, it was never in Ohio, but such suggestion was floated a few months ago. Our European friends would prefer easier access, and
Re: [videoblogging] Vloggercon? (was Re: Tuesday FlashMeeting)
Yeah, more 'how', less 'why' this time. Great idea Randy, I'd love to see a session on RSS, how, why future, etc. (another tie-in to vertigo?) I think a big problem with RSS is the speed of the adoption of changes/advancements. Education via these types of sessions would increase awareness and the more people know and understand it, the bigger the creative pool will be. The 'town-hall' style of the sessions last year did kick ass. It would be cool to have folks from companies that consume and produce rss there to talk with those attending, a big brain-storm/education thing. --Devlon RANDY MANN wrote: i have a request for a secesion rss how it works,why it works and why cant i get it working On 2/22/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 22.02.2007 kl. 22:10 skrev Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]michael%40michaelverdi.com : I agree that it should be much easier to have it be much less yahoo-group centric which should make it pretty interesting. I mostly want a reason to go to the US. In my own selfish world - and that's all that matters on the internet - I'd like to see less making money, more creation. And I don't care for red carpets, but I do care for group hugs and hyperbole. I would also like to see these Youtubers I keep hearing about, possibly study them in their natural habitat. I also would like to point out that it doesn't have to be named Vloggercon. PS. The video vertigo summit last year was very valuable. Tacking on such a thing again would be a Good Thing in my book. Preferably a full day instead of four-five hurried hours. Possibly in a setting where mock-ups and wireframes can be made. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking greathaven't seen anything beyond this. imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 duthied@ duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Could you expand that a bit? How easy is it for a layman vlogger to set a thumb in their post, then have it come out in the media:thumb element on their feed? I am not being sarcastic, I haven't played with mediaRSS as a content creator and am curious about the workflow...I'm still green in the mediaRSS world. Seems like until everyone adopts mediaRSS, or whatever comes out in the meantime, adding 'rel=thumbnail' to an image tag is easy enough...even for the layman. -- Devlon billshackelford wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are included in the link to the video enclosure file like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosureimg src=http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg; //a We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, but it seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website update that will address this along with many other bug fixes and new features. Best, Josh http://FireAnt.tv On 1/19/07, billshackelford bshackelford@bshackelford%40gmail.com wrote: My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do not utilize the Yahoo Media RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a legal reason.. why don't they just come up with their own namespace? I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails from Mefeedia but my
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Yeah, I'd give one of my toes (maybe even two...) for Ro's source code. I haven't posted a vlog in a very long time, but when I didyup, every post had a thumb, just got used to it from the 'old days'. But I think now with flash embeds, people forgot that the embed 'visual' doesn't carry through to the feed and their feeds have no thumbs. If nothing else, the thumbs give someone who isn't already interested in watching your clip something that might entice them to watch. I've found lots of new feeds to watch just from scanning thumbsI can get a glimpse of what's inside the media...helps with the glut of it all. -- Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Ahar cheers thats where I had seen animated previews in the past but I forgot - Ro's flash thumbs - thanks for the reminder. Could you go into a bit more detail about the sorts of things youve done to ensure your feed looks good? How are you including a thumbnail for each post at the moment? I hope the momentum for improving on RSS can be rebuilt, there seemed to be a burst of activity a few years ago but not much progress since? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking greathaven't seen anything beyond this. imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about it anyway. Im also very excited about future much richer nicer user interfaces. Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the future and how they could display the license info for each video in s small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, billshackelford bshackelford@ wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull sulleleven@ wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreedand agreed :) We are currently rounding out where we check for thumbs. -- Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com sull wrote: Well, the truth is that both approaches should be used. So if the effort can encapsulate supporting mediaRSS and rel=thumbnail then we'll be in great shape. Wordpress etc should natively support mediaRSS output. But a plugin is a good start. It could insert the rel=thumbnail and the feed could grab the same image for media:thumbnail. Feedburner needs to improve their support for thumbnails. Blip users should seriously consider using blip feeds instead of feedburner. Aggregators should do checks for media:thumbnail and alternatively, rel=thumbnail. Sull On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you expand that a bit? How easy is it for a layman vlogger to set a thumb in their post, then have it come out in the media:thumb element on their feed? I am not being sarcastic, I haven't played with mediaRSS as a content creator and am curious about the workflow...I'm still green in the mediaRSS world. Seems like until everyone adopts mediaRSS, or whatever comes out in the meantime, adding 'rel=thumbnail' to an image tag is easy enough...even for the layman. -- Devlon billshackelford wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no rel=thumnail. We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails in blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, but it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when you're writing a blog post. P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as well as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may have stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about that, I'm sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! Peter On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg jkinberg@ wrote: Hi Bill, We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release will support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. Currently, we can grab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: class=media-thumbnail ? Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is needed is standardization on the class name. Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type of block that refers to the video, like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosure img src=http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg; class=media-thumbnail / /a That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. my .02 cents... -Josh On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not semantically specified. This is to say they are not specified in standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat standard rel=enclosure. There is no standards for huge amounts of supporting meta infromation like
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Bah, standards ;) but, yes, good point. -- Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for img -josh On 2/9/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: class=media-thumbnail ? Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is needed is standardization on the class name. Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type of block that refers to the video, like this: a href=http://link/to/video.mov; rel=enclosure img src=http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg; class=media-thumbnail / /a That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. my .02 cents... -Josh On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/9/07, billshackelford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah. encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. and consider using blip feeds (blip users). sull You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail field of the RSS feed. Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in the responses. Other than the fact that there is no rel atribute to img there's no reason not to do this. Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to rel, or perhaps I'd like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if there's no rel attribute to img src? What's wrong with extending it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many others. Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending HTML with a rel standard? If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? class=media-thumbnail ? I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... these are not coders they're bloggers. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat thing... and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary problem first. I.E. img src= rel=thumbnail It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, rel=payment and a host of others. It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like audio, and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. Any objections to this? -Mike On 2/8/07, duthied2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] duthied%40gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked before But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their entriesdo you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new ones. -Devlon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched
Re: [videoblogging] Re: FireAnt.tv video thumbnails
Yeah, although it would work, I think it's a bit more of a kludge (no offense in that term, btw) than using a 'class' in the img tag. (imho) -- Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Frank Carver wrote: Friday, February 9, 2007, 11:28:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?) The only reason is that rel is not valid XHTML attribute for img So why not wrap the image in an anchor tag which _does_ support rel: a href='mythunbnail.jpg' rel='thumbnail'img src='mythumbnail.jpg'//a Then it will show fine in browsers, be XHTML compliant, and easy to scrape while generating a feed. Thoughts?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: RSS as Relationship Tool
For the record sull, those feeds came in from blip, vimeo, vsocial, etc. via our ping service. The other end (blip, vsocial) had to send us the data...more like being fed than sucking ;) It is an old service that isn't in action anymore. And yes, some of them are a pain now and that's an appropriate nickname As far as the rss thing, yeah if you put it out there then anyone can grab it, but one would hope that you have your cc licensing in it and we all hope that the site that is consuming it is adhering to your license. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://mefeedia.com | Find Videoblogs http://devlonduthie.com | My Site sull wrote: well i will chime in *again*. i have nothing truly against network2. they communicate here and seem like smart, decent people in this space. of course, that is also in best business interests but hey you cant be too skeptical otherwise you would be... paranoid. i've claimed this before, but its important to repeat it especially when a thread like this invites it. vlogdir.com is OPT-IN. from day 1 in April 2005, the directory has been a community-driven directory. I didnt populate it. YOU did. and I am proud of that because i think it is an interesting gauge of this vlog community. I also think that it works mostly as a passive filter. Meaning, people actually take a few moments to submit their videoblog and vodcast (rss feed). That means that they think they have something good to share with others. so they choose to take some measures to do that sharing. vlogdir is always a top 10-20 result in google... so it helps somewhat. I also believe that vlogmap.org has worked this way for almost as long. though i totally love mefeedia they are not only opt-in and they actually went through a period when they sucked in a boat-load of feeds from other services like blip, vimeo, vsocial, youtube etc. i call most of those feeds orphans. but mefeedia is like the best overall vlog/feed aggregator i think and they do a tremendous amount of right stuff so, this is in no way to traject anything negative on mefeedia. they rock and when i can, i help them out with feedback. fireant.tv is opt-in too but last i checked, they also add in their own selections as well. the weird part is the fact that any feed you enter in the app, gets added to a database as part of a review queue and if it looks tasty, it will end up on the web directory. i think you can opt-out of that happening on mac version. but many feeds on fireant.tv are added by fireant themselves as well as the community (whether intended or not). the only time i truly think its nasty to add feeds without opt-in is when some site appears out of nowhere and sucks in feeds and wraps ads around everything. they are obviously just trying to rank high in search results and make a few bucks. no value back to the community and no value to the publishers. its cheap and its dirty. and it creates a bad reputation too. RSS... yes if you put out a feed, as a general rule you are syndicating your content to anyone on the web. Preferably, you want that content grabbed by an audience, not by random aggregator sites. But you also realize that some of the reputable aggregator sites actually do help you gain exposure and get traffic and distribute your media. More people can subscribe to you. It can be a very good thing if you actually want to spread your media. But you should respect the aggregator and if you dont, you should be able to tell them to remove your content. and they should respond asap. network2 seems like they are trying to add value to the community. i think they might succeed. we'll see. vlogdir.com... well the project was one of the originals to come out of this community and its in auto-pilot. it still serves and represents the vlogosphere but i have not personally focused on evolving the project. after all, it is what it is. what else can it be? i promote vlogs that i like a lot... on the site and elsewhere. and every once in a while i need to delete some vietnam tourism site etc but for the most part, the directory has been problem free. thats a success story. to me at least. maybe in 2007, i will carve a little time out to improve the site. in mean time, make sure any agg-newcomers work like mefeedia, vlogdir, fireant, vlogmap, blip. the originals who give full attribution and add value to the community. oh, i suppose network2 as well ;) sull On 12/14/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think i see a difference aren't fireant and mefeedia opt-in ? also, i don't think they *feature* sites from people who wish otherwise On Dec 14, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Heath wrote: I don't see what you are doing as any different than Fireant, or MeFeedia, etc. You are providing a way to view video on the web, vlogs, etc.at least you are providing link backs and other things
Re: [videoblogging] Playing around with 8mm
You might find something here: http://lostinlight.org/ We recently finished a fund-drive on havemoneywillvlog.com for them. Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://mefeedia.com | Find Videoblogs http://devlonduthie.com | My Site [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got some more artistic projects popping in off the edge of the radar, and for at least a couple of them, I have an interest in an analog and home movies effect that has me thumbing through the web looking for some information on shooting on 8mm film. Has anyone here worked with 8mm film? Have advice for purchasing a camera (prices vary WILDLY on eBay)? What's the availability of film stock like? Am I nuts? Just thought I'd lob it out. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime Yahoo! Groups Links
