Although I agree with you Josh, why is class=media-thumbnail better than rel=thumbnail in this example? (It's consistent?)
Thanks, Devlon Duthie http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Joshua Kinberg wrote: >> class="media-thumbnail" ? >> > > Yes, I think a class attribute on the image is good -- all that is > needed is standardization on the class name. > > Also, it would make sense if the image were contained within some type > of block that refers to the video, like this: > > <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"> > <img src="http://link/to/thumbnail.jpg"; class="media-thumbnail" /> > </a> > > That way, you would know which video the thumbnail image is referring to. > > my .02 cents... > > > -Josh > > > On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. >>> >>> --- In [email protected], sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> nah. >>>> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. >>>> >>>> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). >>>> >>>> sull >>>> >>>> >> You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. >> >> This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. >> When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something >> up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually >> coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL >> wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... >> heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail >> field of the RSS feed. >> >> Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds >> instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more >> than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and >> blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. >> That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their >> delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. >> >> Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in >> the responses. >> >> Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> there's >> no reason not to do this. >> >> Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or perhaps I'd >> like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if >> there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with extending >> it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping >> with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many >> others. >> >> Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending >> HTML with a rel standard? >> >> If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? >> >> class="media-thumbnail" ? >> >> I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the >> everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from >> rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... >> these are not coders they're bloggers. >> >> -Mike >> mefeedia.com >> mmeiser.com/blog >> >> >> >>>> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat >>>>> thing... >>>>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary >>>>> problem >>>>> first. >>>>> >>>>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> >>>>> >>>>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using this >>>>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. >>>>> >>>>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, rel=enclosure, >>>>> rel=payment and a host of others. >>>>> >>>>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds like >>>>> audio, >>>>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. >>>>> >>>>> Any objections to this? >>>>> >>>>> -Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have tried to >>>>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked >>>>>> >>> before.... >>> >>>>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for their >>>>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the >>>>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item >>>>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. >>>>>> >>>>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new >>>>>> >>> ones. >>> >>>>>> -Devlon >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- In [email protected] >>>>>> >>> <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, >>> >>>>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very hight >>>>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not >>>>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not specified in >>>>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search sites >>>>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... eclosures >>>>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a microformat >>>>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge amounts of >>>>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no >>>>>>> "rel=thumnail". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify thumbnails >>>>>>> >>> in >>> >>>>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media Microformat. >>>>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people who >>>>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and others, >>>>>>> >>> but >>> >>>>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when >>>>>>> you're writing a blog post. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat as >>>>>>> >>> well >>> >>>>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peace, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Mike >>>>>>> mmeiser.com/blog >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it may >>>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>>>> >>>>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions about >>>>>>>> >>>>>> that, I'm >>>>>> >>>>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big new >>>>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release >>>>>>>>> >>> will >>> >>>>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> included >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img >>>>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from MeFeedia, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> but it >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new website >>>>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug fixes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> and new >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they do >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there is a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> legal >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> reason.. why don't they >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting thumbnails >>>>>>>>>> >>> from >>> >>>>>>>>> Mefeedia but my >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> thumbnails >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast >>>>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com >>>>>>>> my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ >>>>>>>> my job: http://petervandijck.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sull >>>> http://vlogdir.com (a project) >>>> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) >>>> http://interdigitate.com (otherly) >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
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