This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking great....haven't seen anything beyond this.
imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the feed looked good in the aggregators. I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more enticing.....it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.....but (in most cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. Thanks, Devlon Duthie -- http://devlonduthie.com Find great independent video: http://mefeedia.com Steve Watkins wrote: > Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? > > Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than > single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of > previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about > it anyway. > > Im also very excited about future much richer & nicer user interfaces. > Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple > stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. > Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make > this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff > was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping > with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) > > Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the > feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the > moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show > branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a > graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having > people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation > or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the > future and how they could display the license info for each video in s > small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. > > Cheers > > Steve Elbows > > --- In [email protected], "billshackelford" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. >> >> --- In [email protected], sull <sulleleven@> wrote: >> >>> nah. >>> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. >>> >>> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). >>> >>> sull >>> >>> >>> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat >>>> thing... >>>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary >>>> problem >>>> first. >>>> >>>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> >>>> >>>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually >>>> > using this > >>>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. >>>> >>>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, >>>> > rel=enclosure, > >>>> rel=payment and a host of others. >>>> >>>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds >>>> > like > >>>> audio, >>>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. >>>> >>>> Any objections to this? >>>> >>>> -Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <duthied@ <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey all. >>>>> >>>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have >>>>> > tried to > >>>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked >>>>> > before.... > >>>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails >>>>> > for their > >>>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the >>>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item >>>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. >>>>> >>>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more >>>>> > new ones. > >>>>> -Devlon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- In [email protected] >>>>> > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > >>>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: >>>> >>>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. >>>>>> >>>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise >>>>>> > very hight > >>>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not >>>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not >>>>>> > specified in > >>>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and >>>>>> > search sites > >>>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... >>>>>> > eclosures > >>>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a >>>>>> > microformat > >>>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge >>>>>> > amounts of > >>>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no >>>>>> "rel=thumnail". >>>>>> >>>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify >>>>>> > thumbnails in > >>>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media >>>>>> > Microformat. > >>>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for >>>>>> > people who > >>>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and >>>>>> > others, but > >>>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when >>>>>> you're writing a blog post. >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media >>>>>> > microformat as well > >>>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peace, >>>>>> >>>>>> -Mike >>>>>> mmeiser.com/blog >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, >>>>>>> > so it may > >>>>> have >>>>> >>>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions >>>>>>> > about > >>>>> that, I'm >>>>> >>>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Bill, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a >>>>>>>> > big new > >>>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new >>>>>>>> > release will > >>>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if >>>>>>>> > they are > >>>>> included >>>>> >>>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img >>>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from >>>>>>>> > MeFeedia, > >>>>> but it >>>>> >>>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new >>>>>>>> > website > >>>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug >>>>>>>> > fixes > >>>>> and new >>>>> >>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems >>>>>>>>> > they do > >>>> not >>>> >>>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If >>>>>>>>> > there is a > >>>>> legal >>>>> >>>>>>>> reason.. why don't they >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting >>>>>>>>> > thumbnails from > >>>>>>>> Mefeedia but my >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my >>>>>>>>> >>>>> thumbnails >>>>> >>>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast >>>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com >>>>>>> my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ >>>>>>> my job: http://petervandijck.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sull >>> http://vlogdir.com (a project) >>> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) >>> http://interdigitate.com (otherly) >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
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