Re: [videoblogging] Re: help please
David Meade wrote: On 11/3/05, printaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is a feed meant to be reassembled? Its meant to be read and its covered by copyright for a reason. Are you saying that all RSS feeds are free of copyright and can be reused however you please? RSS isn't a particularly human-friendly format. It's meant to be reassembled from the rss data format to a readable presenation. HTML isn't a particularly human-friendly format either... Luckily most browsers can render it into a form that most humans can then use. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: help please
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:07:04 +0100, printaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks funny to me, I couldn't find a way to navigate to that page through the site, could only find it through google. Is the quicksilver frame part of it a mirror too? The whole site is a section of the Quicksilver website called events.quicksilver.com: URL: http://events.quiksilver.com/ - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help please
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh, I dunno if it's really a mirror - it looks like just a script that will display whatever you put in the arguments. For example http://events.quiksilver.com/2004/fijipro/ASPLiveEvents.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.comcacheType=RAW_CONTENTcacheTime=1 I wouldn't lose too much sleep over that. -m On 11/3/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:27:06 +0100, printaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it a mirror, a splog or what? and what do I do? Looks like a mirror. They're probably sucking down your RSS feed and republishing. I've made some emails to quiksilver and had a surf around the site (pun) and I've redirected blakkbyrd posts onto bellebyrd until its resolved. So there will be no further content added for a little while and they wont get any new material from here on. THe mirror (whatever) is live, I made a test post to check. It underlines the benefit of keeping track of who is reading and linking back to your blog. When did you last do an ego search on google? I picked the names bellebyrd and blakkbyrd because they were unique on google at the time. It makes it easy to search for copycats. I've been copied before. Its only new in the last few days. thanks for your help and if anyone has anything further to add, please let me know blakkbyrd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help please
To be honest I think you are misreading the situation with that site. The question ask is where you found that quiksilver link which showed your blog contents? You found it by googling your name? I couldnt find it in the search engines. because as Andreas pointed out, dont think that site is caching your blog or ripping you off. Theres simply a script on their site which enables the contents of any other webpage to be scraped and inserted into the body of their site. They probably used it specifically for a completely legitimate thing, eg contents from a partner site. If you want, you can change the URL to any other site and it will show the site of your choice emmbedded within their site. Doesnt mean they are leeching your content. Their site doesnt seem to resemble anything that would make leechng peoples blogs worth their while. If its showing up as a search result for your name then I can understand you being annoyed, but is this whats actually happening? Its good to be vigilant, sites do pull such stunts, but I just dont think thats whats happening here. And when it comes down to just chaching content, well google definately do cache your blog. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, printaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've made some emails to quiksilver and had a surf around the site (pun) and I've redirected blakkbyrd posts onto bellebyrd until its resolved. So there will be no further content added for a little while and they wont get any new material from here on. THe mirror (whatever) is live, I made a test post to check. It underlines the benefit of keeping track of who is reading and linking back to your blog. When did you last do an ego search on google? I picked the names bellebyrd and blakkbyrd because they were unique on google at the time. It makes it easy to search for copycats. I've been copied before. Its only new in the last few days. thanks for your help and if anyone has anything further to add, please let me know blakkbyrd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: help please
David Meade wrote: I dunno I have a hard time with the You're stealing this content argument if you are in fact providing a feed on your site. A feed is MEANT to allow people to take and reassemble content. I think where we hit a gray area, is in the republishing of the content. If I publish everything in your RSS feed, but wrap ads around it, are you still cool with it? I mean, should I take each episode of Rocketboom and put it on a page of my site surrounded with a dozen banner ads? ;) Should I take your content (via RSS) remove all the ads that make you money, and replace them with ads that make me money and they publish that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: help please
On 11/3/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Meade wrote: I dunno I have a hard time with the You're stealing this content argument if you are in fact providing a feed on your site. A feed is MEANT to allow people to take and reassemble content. I think where we hit a gray area, is in the republishing of the content. If I publish everything in your RSS feed, but wrap ads around it, are you still cool with it? I mean, should I take each episode of Rocketboom and put it on a page of my site surrounded with a dozen banner ads? ;) Should I take your content (via RSS) remove all the ads that make you money, and replace them with ads that make me money and they publish that? Well in these cases the republishing would be violating the CC license I have. So I would have a problem with it. (unless I specifically released a site to do so). But just the pure republishing of feed data within the the license ... no, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I didn't really see any adverts on that page. It just seems to me that if you are actively providing a feed, you are actively PERMITTING the syndication of content. You cant then say Well I didn't want YOU to click on my feed button ... but others are ok to do so. and expect to win any legal case. If a person just takes my feed and follows the the spirit of the CC license then, no I wouldn't have a problem with it. I guess my thoughts are no harm no foul ... If you made a feed ... it's going to feed things. So long as those things don't use it for commercial purposes and break your cc license ... GREAT - your feed is doing exactly what you must have expected it to do. /shrug - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help please
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: elbows of death? do I want to even ask? (does she snore bad?) To be honest I think you are misreading the situation with that site. to be honest I'm not sure what you mean? Who is misreading? I agree that there is something funny going on. The question ask is where you found that quiksilver link which showed your blog contents? You found it by googling your name? I couldnt find it in the search engines. I have hacked my blog so that I can trace individual posts on google. It came up when I was doing a search on one of the blogs. It still comes up on google, I just checked. Maybe I search differently than you? However the search results do seem to have changed since i last looked, it was harder to find this morning because as Andreas pointed out, dont think that site is caching your blog or ripping you off. Theres simply a script on their site which enables the contents of any other webpage to be scraped and inserted into the body of their site. They probably used it specifically for a completely legitimate thing, eg contents from a partner site. In the past few yearss I have had an ongoing problem with a troll. Wont bore you with details but I suspect that this is the latest offering. Ie the things been hacked purely as a form of harrassment. I agree that quiksilver probably has nothing to do with it, which is why I am waiting to hear from them before i do anything more. I just asked for help with the technical details of what they had done? If you want, you can change the URL to any other site and it will show the site of your choice emmbedded within their site. Doesnt mean they are leeching your content. Their site doesnt seem to resemble anything that would make leechng peoples blogs worth their while. If its showing up as a search result for your name then I can understand you being annoyed, but is this whats actually happening? I agree. Its good to be vigilant, sites do pull such stunts, but I just dont think thats whats happening here. And when it comes down to just chaching content, well google definately do cache your blog. There's a big difference between having your content cached by a search engine and someone mirroring your site for commercial gain. Steve of Elbows Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help please
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno I have a hard time with the You're stealing this content argument if you are in fact providing a feed on your site. A feed is MEANT to allow people to take and reassemble content. Some people might plug it into Ant or iTunes, but other might use a web based aggrigator, and unrelated web based services all over are going to (even more so in the near future) take advantage of distributed content that is offered out as feeds. David i thought that this was a very interesting post. I've just read the reply and I'm inclined to agree with the other person. Would you like your content wrapped in someone else's advertising? Why is a feed meant to be reassembled? Its meant to be read and its covered by copyright for a reason. Are you saying that all RSS feeds are free of copyright and can be reused however you please? I understand RSS to be a technological innovation that facilitates the dissemination of information in digital form. Its not a license to breach copyright law. I'm a professional artist, I exhibit internationally. Everything that I produce has a commercial value. If a company wants to use my creative material it comes with a price tag. That's called intellectual property. Having said that, the blakkbyrd site is 'not for profit' and ad free, its an arts project not a commercial enterprise. If I were writing a blog to make money it would be very different and the targeted audience would be very different. I'm just not profit motivated. I'm expecting an email from them saying that they've been hacked. I cant find any internal links to the page or any reason for them to use the feed. Not that these sites couldnt take content without a feed ... but with you actually actively providing one, you are in fact saying If you'd like to see my content elsewhere ... here have a feed to do so. I think its a tough sell to then say well ... except if its being used here ... or here ... or ... -- http://www.DavidMeade.com This isnt where i was coming from. I was asking for technical help, not whining. Sorry if it sounded that way. blakkbyrd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help please
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/3/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Meade wrote: I guess my thoughts are no harm no foul ... If you made a feed ... it's going to feed things. So long as those things don't use it for commercial purposes and break your cc license ... GREAT - your feed is doing exactly what you must have expected it to do. /shrug - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com You are not a surfer are you Dave? (chuckling) I think you need to have another look at their site. Substitute nike or coke for their name and your feed for mine. How does it look now? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help...please..thank you..
Hello, Sorry to hear about your problems. Its understandable that some people dont have the energy/mood to deal with ourmedia, and it is true that we cant really complain too much as it is free and powered by love. What alternative hosting site was recommended to you that contained porn? Firstly the internet has a lot of porn on it and it is the users responsibility to shield youngsters from such things. There is no one agreed view of what 'porn' is exactly, but its usually possible to see quite quickly whether a particular site is full of porn. Really though I cannot stand the idea that this group is somehow responsible for you having an ugly time because of porn. Im sorry you feel that way, I dont understand how either this group could be responsible, or why you would let it put you off ever doing anything with video on the internet. I mean, even if a free host had lots of content which you considered adult/porn, if the service is any good then you never need to look at that stuff. You have your own blog with no porn, and link to your videos which are hosted by the free service. I just want to understand more about how this thing happened, I struggle to imagine what advice from this group led to porn ugliness. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the same problem I was having. in the beginning I was having all kinds of problems took a few days to get it fixed then I was gone a week to a funeral and when I went to upload a video my password wasn't working. I'm in no mood to deal with ourmedia u pay for what u get so I was told and then I was told to check out another place to upload video for free and when I checked it out it was a web site for uploading video but also showed porno how are my grandkids going to feel about that and for that reason I leaving this group what I thought was a good thing turned into something ugly for my family which includes many kids my blog is about my grandkids not porno thank you very much. I just won't upload videos any more. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: help...please..thank you..
Here here to everything Mister Steve had to said. With OurMedia, if you are uploading large files (I would say over 5MB), they have a little software tool you can install on your computer to upload files with. I use it, and it's nifty. Though I am an OurMedia advocate, I will admit I have trouble from time to time; but when I do, I just walk away from the computer for fifteen minutes, try to upload the movie again, and it works fine. Also, something else I found out accidentally, if your description of your movie is less than ten words (or something like that), your upload will fail. Not sure if it gives a proper error message or not. - Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Sorry to hear about your problems. Its understandable that some people dont have the energy/mood to deal with ourmedia, and it is true that we cant really complain too much as it is free and powered by love. What alternative hosting site was recommended to you that contained porn? Firstly the internet has a lot of porn on it and it is the users responsibility to shield youngsters from such things. There is no one agreed view of what 'porn' is exactly, but its usually possible to see quite quickly whether a particular site is full of porn. Really though I cannot stand the idea that this group is somehow responsible for you having an ugly time because of porn. Im sorry you feel that way, I dont understand how either this group could be responsible, or why you would let it put you off ever doing anything with video on the internet. I mean, even if a free host had lots of content which you considered adult/porn, if the service is any good then you never need to look at that stuff. You have your own blog with no porn, and link to your videos which are hosted by the free service. I just want to understand more about how this thing happened, I struggle to imagine what advice from this group led to porn ugliness. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the same problem I was having. in the beginning I was having all kinds of problems took a few days to get it fixed then I was gone a week to a funeral and when I went to upload a video my password wasn't working. I'm in no mood to deal with ourmedia u pay for what u get so I was told and then I was told to check out another place to upload video for free and when I checked it out it was a web site for uploading video but also showed porno how are my grandkids going to feel about that and for that reason I leaving this group what I thought was a good thing turned into something ugly for my family which includes many kids my blog is about my grandkids not porno thank you very much. I just won't upload videos any more. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
