Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
fact, Digg is now rivaling> > > > Slashdot within the tech community.> > > >> > > > Who knows, maybe I'll muster up some energy and look into this again.> > > > Maybe come spring after the snow melts.> > > >> > > > -Matt> > > > ---> > > > http://ridertech.com> > > > http://leanbackvids.com> > > > http://vlogmap.org> > > >> > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Has anyone thought of using the Digg.com model for creating a> > > > > directory? Well maybe not a directory exactly, but somethinglike> > > > > it. Maybe it would be more analogous to Apples editorialized > > > > > listings of featured podcasts except the community would be the> > > > > editors. The ones that get the most votes move up to the front> > page--> > > > > like news stories do on Digg.com. It might work best forindividual> > > > > vlog posts than with entire vlogs. I dunno. It's an idea. Iwas just> > > > > thinking about how cool that model is for news and if it would work> > > > > for other types of content. I would like to see a Digg for other> > > > > types of news too, like politics or medicine.> > > > >> > > > > I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud. > > > > >> > > > > Bill Streeter> > > > > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS> > > > > www.lofistl.com> > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Josh is right about categories not really being goodarbitrators> > > > > of how good content might be.> > > > > >> > > > > > He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. I find> > > > > that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. Then I> > > > > see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective> > > > > thing. > > > > > >> > > > > > "Directories" are the topic but what we really need arereviewers> > > > > and people who filter content for us. You would quickly recognize> > > > > those people who directed you to great material. You'd alsolearn> > > > > to avoid those whose taste did not match yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > Directories without reviews are almost worthless. Analternative> > > > > would be directories where vlog producers could postone-paragraph> > > > > ads (their own review) for their vlog. > > > > > >> > > > > > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> > > > > >> > > > > > Videographer, Writer, Activist> > > > > > Advisor: The Immortality Institute > > > > > > Hoboken, NJ> > > > > > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> > > > > > 201-656-3280 > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > - Original Message -> > > > > > From: Joshua Kinberg> > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:03 PM> > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class"doesn't mean> > > > > that > > > > > > you make "good" art.> > > > > >> > > > > > I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the"good"> > > > > back > > > > > > to the subject of thread please. :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > -josh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > > On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Unless you're in Art class. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ;)> > > > > > >&
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories
I love Steve Garfield's stuff in general and "Vlog Soup" in particular. Indeed, Steve's soups are super but that is because he knows how to take a lot of mediocre stuff (the best of each) and whip it into a super mix. I checked out some of his links and saw that he had a great eye for those few unique seconds in an otherwise boring vlog. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Devlon To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories Steve Garfield's "Vlog Soup" posts are a great example of such links. He's got a link in the post for every single site that is mentioned inthe video.On 12/5/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:58:52 +0100, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> > One of the problems of linking in an aggregated media world is the> > fact that if you get most of your vlogs via aggregator then how> > likely are you to see links on any given blog?>> Since adding links to the videos themselves is too friggin' hard for the> common man right now... Write like a blogger. A video description could> look like this:>> "I saw Joe's attempt at making pancakes yesterday. This morning I decided> to try it myself. I used to recipe Jane posted last month.">> With links to:>> - Joe's blog> - Joe's entry with his failed pancake attempt> - Jane's blog> - Jane's recipe>> Adapt for your videos, spread some links around. Rinse and repeat.>> - Andreas> --> http://www.solitude.dk/>> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>--~Devlonhttp://mefeedia.com/See what we are up to:http://mefeedia.com/blog/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories
Steve Garfield's "Vlog Soup" posts are a great example of such links. He's got a link in the post for every single site that is mentioned in the video. On 12/5/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:58:52 +0100, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > One of the problems of linking in an aggregated media world is the > > fact that if you get most of your vlogs via aggregator then how > > likely are you to see links on any given blog? > > Since adding links to the videos themselves is too friggin' hard for the > common man right now... Write like a blogger. A video description could > look like this: > > "I saw Joe's attempt at making pancakes yesterday. This morning I decided > to try it myself. I used to recipe Jane posted last month." > > With links to: > > - Joe's blog > - Joe's entry with his failed pancake attempt > - Jane's blog > - Jane's recipe > > Adapt for your videos, spread some links around. Rinse and repeat. > > - Andreas > -- > http://www.solitude.dk/> > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- ~Devlon http://mefeedia.com/ See what we are up to: http://mefeedia.com/blog/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:58:52 +0100, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the problems of linking in an aggregated media world is the > fact that if you get most of your vlogs via aggregator then how > likely are you to see links on any given blog? Since adding links to the videos themselves is too friggin' hard for the common man right now... Write like a blogger. A video description could look like this: "I saw Joe's attempt at making pancakes yesterday. This morning I decided to try it myself. I used to recipe Jane posted last month." With links to: - Joe's blog - Joe's entry with his failed pancake attempt - Jane's blog - Jane's recipe Adapt for your videos, spread some links around. Rinse and repeat. - Andreas -- http://www.solitude.dk/> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
ontest". > > > > > > > > > > I strongly believe in what Digg has created and do not see it as a > > > > > rating system. You can only digg something, which is a good > thing. A > > > > > submission gets +1 for each person who diggs it and there is > no way to > > > > > give negative feedback other than commenting, which already exists > > > > > here and within blog software. > > > > > > > > > > After hearing the horrible response to the idea, I abandoned > it due to > > > > > a lack of support (and the complexity of the system). It was > probably > > > > > for the better since my time is very limited. > > > > > > > > > > My buddy is about to launch NewsVine.com which is a lot like > Digg.com > > > > > and he go VC money for it. Matter of fact, Digg is now rivaling > > > > > Slashdot within the tech community. > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, maybe I'll muster up some energy and look into this > again. > > > > > Maybe come spring after the snow melts. > > > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > --- > > > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > http://leanbackvids.com > > > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone thought of using the Digg.com model for creating a > > > > > > directory? Well maybe not a directory exactly, but something > like > > > > > > it. Maybe it would be more analogous to Apples editorialized > > > > > > listings of featured podcasts except the community would be the > > > > > > editors. The ones that get the most votes move up to the front > > > page-- > > > > > > like news stories do on Digg.com. It might work best for > individual > > > > > > vlog posts than with entire vlogs. I dunno. It's an idea. I > was just > > > > > > thinking about how cool that model is for news and if it > would work > > > > > > for other types of content. I would like to see a Digg for other > > > > > > types of news too, like politics or medicine. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Streeter > > > > > > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS > > > > > > www.lofistl.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josh is right about categories not really being good > arbitrators > > > > > > of how good content might be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. > I find > > > > > > that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. > Then I > > > > > > see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Directories" are the topic but what we really need are > reviewers > > > > > > and people who filter content for us. You would quickly > recognize > > > > > > those people who directed you to great material. You'd also > learn > > > > > > to avoid those whose taste did not match yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Directories without reviews are almost worthless. An > alternative > > > > > > would be directories where vlog producers could post > one-paragraph > > > > > > ads (their own review) for their vlog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Videographer, Writer, Activist > > > > > > > Advisor: The Immortality Institute > > > > > > > Hoboken, NJ >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories
Wow, I never thought of that. That is even more evidence that "links" are artificial ways to rise in search engines rather than real connections to other people/vloggers. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Bill Streeter To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories I use Wordpress and it allows you to ad comments to each link. But I don't use this feature, I opt to categorize my links. So I guess that accomplishes kind of the same thing. One of the problems of linking in an aggregated media world is the fact that if you get most of your vlogs via aggregator then how likely are you to see links on any given blog? I rarely if ever visit any actual video blog unless I'm commenting and the comment pages of most blogs don't show the links. It seems that at that point links are more important to machines (like search engines) seeing relationships than for humans. Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> > Someone should develop "explained" linking. In other words, if I > link to jonny goldstein (which I have) I say (great humor). That would > help people decide if they were interested.> >> > If this can be done and I just don't know how, excuse my ignorance. > Has anyone done this?> > well... i s'pose you could use the 'title' attribute with your 'a href.'> > something like this--> > < a href=""http://jonnygoldstein.com/">http://jonnygoldstein.com/" title="Great humor!">Jonny > Goldstein> > that way, whenever anyone moves their cursor over the Jonny Goldstein > link, a little box pops up as a tooltip containing the words 'Great > humor!'> > more at: http://tinyurl.com/6uo99> > --> xo philip> http://swordfight.org >videoblog> http://destroyhotaction.com >remix pr0n vlog> http://vlogforum.org >videoblog messageboard> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories
Thanks for that suggestion. It would work if people knew they could get the information that way. Maybe a text message on top of the links. Visible text under the link would be so much better. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Philip Clark To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Making directories --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> Someone should develop "explained" linking. In other words, if I link to jonny goldstein (which I have) I say (great humor). That would help people decide if they were interested.>> If this can be done and I just don't know how, excuse my ignorance. Has anyone done this?well... i s'pose you could use the 'title' attribute with your 'a href.'something like this--< a href=""http://jonnygoldstein.com/">http://jonnygoldstein.com/" title="Great humor!">Jonny Goldsteinthat way, whenever anyone moves their cursor over the Jonny Goldstein link, a little box pops up as a tooltip containing the words 'Great humor!'more at: http://tinyurl.com/6uo99--xo philiphttp://swordfight.org >videobloghttp://destroyhotaction.com >remix pr0n vloghttp://vlogforum.org >videoblog messageboard YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
medicine.> > >> > > I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud. > > >> > > Bill Streeter> > > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS> > > www.lofistl.com> > >> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> > > > Josh is right about categories not really being good arbitrators> > > of how good content might be. > > > >> > > > He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. I find> > > that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. Then I > > > see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective> > > thing.> > > >> > > > "Directories" are the topic but what we really need are reviewers > > > and people who filter content for us. You would quickly recognize> > > those people who directed you to great material. You'd also learn> > > to avoid those whose taste did not match yours. > > > >> > > > Directories without reviews are almost worthless. An alternative> > > would be directories where vlog producers could post one-paragraph> > > ads (their own review) for their vlog. > > > >> > > > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> > > >> > > > Videographer, Writer, Activist> > > > Advisor: The Immortality Institute> > > > Hoboken, NJ > > > > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> > > > 201-656-3280> > > >> > > >> > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Joshua Kinberg> > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:03 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories> > > >> > > >> > > > Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn't mean > > > that> > > > you make "good" art.> > > >> > > > I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the "good"> > > back > > > > to the subject of thread please. :-)> > > >> > > > -josh> > > >> > > >> > > > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Unless you're in Art class.> > > > > > > > > > > > ;)> > > > >> > > > > Damn hippies. :o)> > > > > Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western.> > > You're right > > > > > about that. :o)> > > > >> > > > > - Andreas> > > > > --> > > > > http://www.solitude.dk/>> > > > > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >---> > > --- > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS> > > >> > > > a.. Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.> > > >> > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > > > of Service.> > > >> > > >> > > >---> > > ---> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >> > > >> >> >>>> --> sull> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation> from which new form is born"> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / VlogosphereAggregator> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~->Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
right, thats what I am doing... individual video posts, not the entire vlog... in this case.On 12/5/05, Bill Streeter < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought of this. But I do think it would work better for individual postings rather thanentire video blogs.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Funny you mention it. I brought this up a few months ago in avideo> conference and got slammed for trying to create a "ratings system and> popularity contest".>> I strongly believe in what Digg has created and do not see it as a> rating system. You can only digg something, which is a goodthing. A> submission gets +1 for each person who diggs it and there is no way to> give negative feedback other than commenting, which already exists> here and within blog software.>> After hearing the horrible response to the idea, I abandoned itdue to> a lack of support (and the complexity of the system). It was probably> for the better since my time is very limited.>> My buddy is about to launch NewsVine.com which is a lot likeDigg.com> and he go VC money for it. Matter of fact, Digg is now rivaling > Slashdot within the tech community.>> Who knows, maybe I'll muster up some energy and look into thisagain.> Maybe come spring after the snow melts.>> -Matt> --- > http://ridertech.com> http://leanbackvids.com> http://vlogmap.org>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> >> > Has anyone thought of using the Digg.com model for creating a> > directory? Well maybe not a directory exactly, but somethinglike> > it. Maybe it would be more analogous to Apples editorialized> > listings of featured podcasts except the community would be the > > editors. The ones that get the most votes move up to the frontpage--> > like news stories do on Digg.com. It might work best forindividual> > vlog posts than with entire vlogs. I dunno. It's an idea. I was just> > thinking about how cool that model is for news and if it wouldwork> > for other types of content. I would like to see a Digg for other> > types of news too, like politics or medicine. > >> > I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud.> >> > Bill Streeter> > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS> > www.lofistl.com> >> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > Josh is right about categories not really being good arbitrators> > of how good content might be.> > >> > > He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. Ifind> > that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. Then I> > see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective> > thing.> > >> > > "Directories" are the topic but what we really need arereviewers > > and people who filter content for us. You would quicklyrecognize> > those people who directed you to great material. You'd alsolearn> > to avoid those whose taste did not match yours. > > >> > > Directories without reviews are almost worthless. Analternative> > would be directories where vlog producers could post one-paragraph> > ads (their own review) for their vlog. > > >> > > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> > >> > > Videographer, Writer, Activist> > > Advisor: The Immortality Institute> > > Hoboken, NJ> > > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> > > 201-656-3280> > >> > >> > > - Original Message - > > > From: Joshua Kinberg> > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:03 PM> > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories > > >> > >> > > Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn'tmean> > that> > > you make "good" art.> > > > > > I want Directories, or systems, that help me findthe "good"> > back> > > to the subject of thread please. :-)> > >> > > -josh > > >> > >> > > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > > > > > > > Unless you're in Art class.> > > >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
Even highlighting the number of hits a vlog got might be helpful. It would have the negative effect of those with the most hits (earned or not) would keep getting more. However, that would be like having a "best-seller" list for books. You know the "best-sellers" are worth looking at more closely. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Bill Streeter To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: making directories Has anyone thought of using the Digg.com model for creating a directory? Well maybe not a directory exactly, but something like it. Maybe it would be more analogous to Apples editorialized listings of featured podcasts except the community would be the editors. The ones that get the most votes move up to the front page--like news stories do on Digg.com. It might work best for individual vlog posts than with entire vlogs. I dunno. It's an idea. I was just thinking about how cool that model is for news and if it would work for other types of content. I would like to see a Digg for other types of news too, like politics or medicine.I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud.Bill StreeterLO-FI SAINT LOUISwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Josh is right about categories not really being good arbitrators of how good content might be.> > He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. I find that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. Then I see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective thing.> > "Directories" are the topic but what we really need are reviewers and people who filter content for us. You would quickly recognize those people who directed you to great material. You'd also learn to avoid those whose taste did not match yours.> > Directories without reviews are almost worthless. An alternative would be directories where vlog producers could post one-paragraph ads (their own review) for their vlog.> > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> > Videographer, Writer, Activist> Advisor: The Immortality Institute> Hoboken, NJ> http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> 201-656-3280> > > - Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Kinberg > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:03 PM> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories> > > Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn't mean that> you make "good" art.> > I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the "good" back> to the subject of thread please. :-)> > -josh> > > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > Unless you're in Art class.> > >> > > ;)> >> > Damn hippies. :o)> > Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western. You're right> > about that. :o)> >> > - Andreas> > --> > http://www.solitude.dk/>> > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.> >> >> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
i am exploring the digg model as well.kinda hard to ignore.its simple at its core. thats usually a good thing.i have something partially in place.also, matt, no worry. months before you came around, the anti-ratings mentality was even stronger. it was a simpler time ;-) but now most realize that filtering is really the big big issue these days... whether or not it offends a purists point of view. sullOn 12/5/05, LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Funny you mention it. I brought this up a few months ago in a videoconference and got slammed for trying to create a "ratings system andpopularity contest".I strongly believe in what Digg has created and do not see it as a rating system. You can only digg something, which is a good thing. Asubmission gets +1 for each person who diggs it and there is no way togive negative feedback other than commenting, which already exists here and within blog software.After hearing the horrible response to the idea, I abandoned it due toa lack of support (and the complexity of the system). It was probablyfor the better since my time is very limited. My buddy is about to launch NewsVine.com which is a lot like Digg.comand he go VC money for it. Matter of fact, Digg is now rivalingSlashdot within the tech community. Who knows, maybe I'll muster up some energy and look into this again. Maybe come spring after the snow melts.-Matt---http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.comhttp://vlogmap.org--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Has anyone thought of using the Digg.com model for creating a> directory? Well maybe not a directory exactly, but something like> it. Maybe it would be more analogous to Apples editorialized > listings of featured podcasts except the community would be the> editors. The ones that get the most votes move up to the front page--> like news stories do on Digg.com . It might work best for individual> vlog posts than with entire vlogs. I dunno. It's an idea. I was just> thinking about how cool that model is for news and if it would work> for other types of content. I would like to see a Digg for other > types of news too, like politics or medicine.>> I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud.>> Bill Streeter> LO-FI SAINT LOUIS> www.lofistl.com >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > Josh is right about categories not really being good arbitrators > of how good content might be.> >> > He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. I find> that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. Then I > see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective> thing.> >> > "Directories" are the topic but what we really need are reviewers> and people who filter content for us. You would quickly recognize > those people who directed you to great material. You'd also learn> to avoid those whose taste did not match yours.> >> > Directories without reviews are almost worthless. An alternative > would be directories where vlog producers could post one-paragraph> ads (their own review) for their vlog.> >> > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker> >> > Videographer, Writer, Activist > > Advisor: The Immortality Institute> > Hoboken, NJ> > http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/> > 201-656-3280 > >> >> > - Original Message -> > From: Joshua Kinberg> > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories> >> >> > Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn't mean> that> > you make "good" art. > >> > I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the "good"> back> > to the subject of thread please. :-)> >> > -josh> > > >> > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > > Unless you're in Art class. > > > >> > > > ;)> > >> > > Damn hippies. :o)> > > Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western.> You're right> > > about that. :o) > > >> > > - Andreas> > > --> > > http://www.solitude.dk/>> > > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Yahoo! Groups Li
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
Petertheman says: "Second: we as vloggers, for some reason, aren't really linking a lotto each other's videos. I'm not sure why that is." I think linking is frequently done on the basis that the more links you put on your site, the more hits you get. For that reason, at least with websites, you link to anyone who will link back to you. I have noticed some vloggers who have great vlogs and who link to others who have outstanding vlogs. However, I also have seen people with a long list of links that are essentially meaningless. Someone should develop "explained" linking. In other words, if I link to jonny goldstein (which I have) I say (great humor). That would help people decide if they were interested. If this can be done and I just don't know how, excuse my ignorance. Has anyone done this? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: petertheman To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: making directories > You're assuming that the lact of a directory is a problem.Here's my view. First, with video, you need a lot more info to decide where to putyour attention than with text, because video demands more attention(you can't just quickly scan it like a text post, for example). So forvideo, you need more filters, metadata, information that helps youdecide what to put your limited attention towards. It's an attentionwar. Hence, directories can be useful.Second: we as vloggers, for some reason, aren't really linking a lotto each other's videos. I'm not sure why that is. But it does meanthat we have less interlinking than textbloggers to help peoplediscover new stuff. Hence, a directory makes sense, again.Third: search for video is an unsolved problem, and will continue tobe, especially for our type of long tail video. Hence, .. you get thepicture :)Then again I could be wrong also and Google might come out with agreat algorythmic way to find videos you want to watch, or we mightall start linking like crazy to each others videos and we wouldn'tneed directories to discover cool stuff. Oh well.Peter--http://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
Josh is right about categories not really being good arbitrators of how good content might be. He uses "art" as an example. That is a very good choice. I find that nine out of ten "art" vlogs I watch to be very boring. Then I see one which simply blows me away. Taste is a very subjective thing. "Directories" are the topic but what we really need are reviewers and people who filter content for us. You would quickly recognize those people who directed you to great material. You'd also learn to avoid those whose taste did not match yours. Directories without reviews are almost worthless. An alternative would be directories where vlog producers could post one-paragraph ads (their own review) for their vlog. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Joshua Kinberg To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn't mean thatyou make "good" art.I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the "good" backto the subject of thread please. :-)-joshOn 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> > Unless you're in Art class.> >> > ;)>> Damn hippies. :o)> Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western. You're right> about that. :o)>> - Andreas> --> http://www.solitude.dk/>> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>> SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
Antidisestablishmentarianists! On Dec 4, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Enric wrote: > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn't mean that >> you make "good" art. >> >> I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the "good" back >> to the subject of thread please. :-) >> >> -josh >> > > Sorry, having fun. Carry on. > >> >> On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Unless you're in Art class. ;) >>> >>> Damn hippies. :o) >>> Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western. You're >>> right >>> about that. :o) >>> >>> - Andreas >>> -- >>> http://www.solitude.dk/> >>> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM > > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
Just because you're an "artist" or in "art class" doesn't mean that you make "good" art. I want Directories, or systems, that help me find the "good" back to the subject of thread please. :-) -josh On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unless you're in Art class. > > > > ;) > > Damn hippies. :o) > Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western. You're right > about that. :o) > > - Andreas > -- > http://www.solitude.dk/> > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: making directories
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:35:20 +0100, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless you're in Art class. > > ;) Damn hippies. :o) Anyway, in that (small) community it would be a western. You're right about that. :o) - Andreas -- http://www.solitude.dk/> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
